Issues with Skeleton Models

[mmiles8]

I went to Everfrost to try and find some of the missing mobs from the newbie area, and noticed that the Lich of Miragul was on track. I'll discuss that in another thread, but for the purposes of this thread, he's appearing as a human with 5 different robes on, which I believe is what occurs when the game tries to call a model that isn't global. I wasn't able to find screenshots of the Lich of Miragul before the graphics were changed, but there were three shades of old model skeleton, and I believe he was black.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/mmiles01/EQ000131.jpg

The white model is what was just implemented. The black model is still using the luclin graphics. I went to rathe mountains and camped the ruins until I got the black giant skeleton.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/mmiles01/EQ000134.jpg

The third skeleton model had a red hue to it. Illusion drybone would correctly call the model way way back in the day. However, at some point, it only bugged and only called the plain white skeleton model and was never fixed. This is the case here, I had Quitis use both Illusion: Skeleton and Illusion: Drybone to demonstrate.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/mmiles01/EQ000135.jpg

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/mmiles01/EQ000136.jpg

The necromancer pets also followed a progression in color. The pets became red at 39, with Malignant Dead, until the level 49 pet Invoke Death, where they became black.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/mmiles01/EQ000009.jpg

Screenshot of the level 39 red skeleton pet (proper Drybone model. Oasis drybones were plain white, but fear portal drybones were this shade)

Hope this helps!

[nilbog]

Lich of Miragul - Fixed.

He should be white. This is a shot of me and some friends :P

http://i30.tinypic.com/oaqdyw.jpg

"a giant skeleton" - the model was left dark in Luclin graphics because we haven't figured out how to get the dark boned skeleton graphics.

dry bones skeleton - I remember them being white
http://web.archive.org/web/20020125025124/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/monsterpics/dry_bone_skeleton.jpg


Can I see some screenshots of the different skeleton colors? White and Brownish Red are all I remember I guess.

[mmiles8]

Ah ha. Looks like his pet was what was a different color, that explains it.

Looks like I was wrong about the third shade. I remembered dark bones being darker. Modern models having multiple shades must have thrown me off.

Couldn't find an old screenshot of the dark Giant Skeleton in Rathe (He's a quest mob, for Caduceus of Sacrament, This link (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=691&page=1&howmany=50#msg96999141819372) from 2000 refers to him being darker, only dark one in zone), but I did find this screenshot of the a darkbone skeleton from this page (http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3433):

http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id3433.png

But yeah the oasis drybones were white. I could be wrong about the Fear portal darkbones too.

Nice name there Nopie :P

Edit: There is a rare red boned giant skel. Level 30 or so.. maybe more... for Cleric's awesome 1H Blunt weapon. Drops Ingot of Sacreament. He only spawns at the ruins (http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3066&page=1&howmany=50#msg2167)

Yep, he was just red. My mistake.

[Ropethunder]

I can't find any screenshots but I vaguely remember there being a dark skeleton that appeared to have flayed skin as its texture. Maybe this is what mmiles8 meant but black?

[nilbog]

BTW, the brownish skeleton textures can be found in global_chr. I have no idea how to properly reference them though.

If anyone is curious to try and fix them:

skech0101.bmp
skech0102.bmp
skech0103.bmp
skech0104.bmp
skech0105.bmp
skefa0101.bmp
skeft0101.bmp
skeft0102.bmp
skehe0101.bmp
skehn0101.bmp
skehn0102.bmp
skelg0101.bmp
skeua0101.bmp

[Bargran]

Skel form from the Call of Bones spell (can't test lich) slide instead of walking and never sit down.

[nilbog]

Skel form from the Call of Bones spell (can't test lich) slide instead of walking and never sit down.

Call of Bones appears normal to me. Are you seeing the old skeleton model (like the ones above), or the newer one? If you are seeing the newer one, you are missing either the globalload.txt file, or the spells_us.txt indicating what it should look like.

[mmiles8]

BTW, the brownish skeleton textures can be found in global_chr. I have no idea how to properly reference them though.


If you get a chance, could you throw up an example of how the white model is referenced?

[Bargran]

Call of Bones appears normal to me. Are you seeing the old skeleton model (like the ones above), or the newer one? If you are seeing the newer one, you are missing either the globalload.txt file, or the spells_us.txt indicating what it should look like.

Fixed, i was missing the new globalload file, didn't notice the resource file.
Thanks for the help. :)

[Secrets]

If you get a chance, could you throw up an example of how the white model is referenced?

Short answer, we don't know how they are referenced in the S3d files. We do know that the EQ client loads textures from a file, though I don't know which file it references for that texture list (probably an s3d file too.)

We moved/removed some files from loading in Resources/GlobalLoad.txt to begin with. Then, I saw that the luclin models for skeletons and wolves (the mesh for them) get loaded from global6_chr. I removed that entirely (the only textures were the luclin elementals in there, so it's fine to remove.) and the classic skeleton mesh loaded.

I then moved gequip5 down the list for loading, which told it "load the luclin textures later.", which causes it to not apply them, as it loads the classic skeleton textures beforehand. The EQ client never loads textures on top of each other. Instead, it loads them once for one model. In this case it loaded the classic mesh and the classic textures, thus resulting in a classic model
loading.

The growthplane line is somehow required for the wolves to animate. There are no animations unless that line is there, dunno why, but it requires it. Possibly because growthplane had classic wolves in it, and that's where they stored the animation files.

That's the long explanation.

The reason why dark-bone skeletons couldn't be referenced is because the client somehow has the texture list either: In a file, or hardcoded into the client. Since the luclin skeleton has one texture, which is 0, the dark-boned skeleton can't be used. It probably is referenced in the s3d but it's a client limitation.

[Yoite]

since yall talking about new (old) skelly form here i wanted to mention all the factions are changed now while in skelly form. it seems to have droped everything one faction setting. used to be dub to FP guards, now threat. used to be Indiff to NFP pallys, now im dub. etc etc.

[Yoite]

any devs comment on faction changes? intended? un-intended?