Gear transferring, another topic on shared banks!

[Fuzzi]

So last night I was on my brother's account to consolidate gear and money. Now, yesterday I was caught by Derubael, and I am not going to complain cause this guy helped me out a few days ago, and I got the hammer. I know a lot of people do what I am describing and I am sure the GMs know as well, but what are our options?

Sure, we can continue to try and pull the wool over the eyes of the GMs and possibly get caught and lose everything. They are completely justified to do it too, it is against the rules to box. This is obviously a no-go.

We can ask a friend to hold our stuff. Completely legal, no mess unless your friend turns into a jerk all the sudden. So why don't we all just do this?! It is great, right? Well what if we didn't come to p99 with a friend to play with? Or you are like me and you are not social enough/play intermittently? This just isn't an option that is available to everyone. . like me. ='(

Oh well.

Or we can take the route that is EVERYONE'S favorite, ask a complete stranger! Yaaaaay I love to lose all my money and gear! Yeah, I am not going to dwell on this, it is simply not an option.

We can also do the good old drop trading. Much classic, so ease. Except you lose the option to give an alt some start up capital and you risk losing all your stuff. We all remember the days of coin dropping and why it was removed, but in case you don't here is a reminder.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=304

It was never because they hated the mechanic, it was because of scammers and trolls dropping copper coins all over the place. I agree with the inability to drop coins on this server cause this server has a tendency to contain a few trolls. all in all this option isn't an awful one. If I really wanted to drop come coin on the toon, I could buy a gem, drop that with the gear and voila! Money and gear! My complaint is that it just isn't safe.

We can also look at the completely non-classic feature of varied raid spawn time- oops wrong mechanic, I meant to say shared banks. I don't see an issue with this becoming an option other than people becoming red in the face as they explain that it is a non-classic feature. But on live I could use a second account when this was still being thought up. I know it is probably one of those very buggy things that the higher powers haven't wanted to touch and I would understand that if that is in fact what the real issue was. From what I understand and have read though, the issue is just that they don't want to implement the feature on the moral high ground of classic features. The way I see it is it would be a benefit to the server, it is a safe way to transfer both money and gear that isn't breaking the rules.


Now, I want to add that while I probably sound like a whiny person who just got caught, I don't intend it to. Like I said at the beginning the GM that got me, Derubael, helped me out the other day by getting a rotted corpse recovered. He was a very nice guy and I am glad it was him that got me.

[MaksimMazor]

Or just ask any established guild member for help.

[Raavak]

Yeah, ask a guildmember or someone who looks like they have an established character. Avoid lvl 1 anonymous nobody characters in EC.

[myxomatosii]

Or just ask any established guild member for help.

The main problem I can see with that is if the established guy steals the stuff, and says, hey I have a good rep I'd never do that! And its noobie's word vs community figure.

Stranger things have happened.

But I agree, this is usually the best route. When doing my highest profile trades I usually just ask a very close friend on Steam to login to one of my accts so the gear goes char to char with no middleman.

For anything under 10k anyone who isn't brand new will do really. Who is gonna ruin their rep for peanuts?

[Fuzzi]

I'll be honest, I knew about that, but when I was writing I totally spaced over that. Completely viable option. >.>

I'd almost put that in the same ball park as asking a friend though. I do like it though.

[Daldaen]

I generally try to find a level 60 in a guild in EC Tunnel if I need something, or I will drop it in an odd location.

[mgellan]

The main problem I can see with that is if the established guy steals the stuff, and says, hey I have a good rep I'd never do that! And its noobie's word vs community figure.

No it's not, I don't know of any Guild that would tolerate someone using their tag to steal, the member would be at least disciplined and likely ejected outright. The effort required to join a raiding Guild is large (and the reputation someone would gain from stealing would make joining another Guild unlikely) so blowing that to steal someone's stuff is unlikely. Further, it seems pretty typical the Guild would make things right with the injured party. The GMs can certainly confirm for a GL that the transaction took place.

Stick to large well established Guilds and you should have no problem at all. Any Guild represented on the Raiding forums I would call large and well established. I know I get requests for transfers all the time from complete strangers, and it's because of the tag floating over my name versus my personal reputation I'm sure. If you have a problem contact an officer of the Guild and they will assist you.

Transfers are a really poor reason to get banned for boxing!

Regards,
Mg

[HydroPonics]

We here at Project1999 hate for you to take the time to make a lengthy post whenever the answer is very obvious. However, we do hope you enjoy the stay.

[Daldaen]

This could be a very bad idea with those recent server hiccup ddos things.

Look for well established people who have been around for an extended period of time.

I've lost Tradeskill stuff doing this before. But I am not dropping Fungis and Manastones on the ground. Just crappy stuff like HP Rings and robe and such.

Most of my alts are in random locations across the game and I hate bothering people for teleports, so I end up just dropping em in places where my alts are.

If I were to be transferring Fungi or Manastone type gear I would take the time to find someone though. Since replacing those isn't nearly as tedious as replacing an HP Ring.

[MaksimMazor]

Plus the offender who may have stolen would probably have an RnF post made about him and reputation ruined lol

[xexbis0]

If you are that paranoid about an established guildmember stealing your stuff, take SS's of the conversation where you ask for a transfer and the items in the window right after you hit the green trade button.

I'm with people on here. Most people from reputable guilds wouldn't dare get booted for crap like stealing.

If you're STILL paranoid, look for the best geared/epic'd toons in EC that you can find with a reputable guild tag.

[Thulack]

I'm verfied Xferer just check my sig :P. I probably wont be back to my normal spot at entrance of EC for another week or so though. There are plenty of trustworthy people in EC tunnel on a regular basis though to help.

[Bazia]

a guy on red made a ui that allows you to use the shared bank, i havent seen anyone banned for it so you might as well ask him if you can get a copy

names dullah on forums

[fastboy21]

I don't support a shared bank. Gear transfers with real people or with the ground are part of EQ classic.

The only area I do think is worth fixing is that you currently can not drop money on p99 as you could in classic.

[Sarius]

I don't support a shared bank. Gear transfers with real people or with the ground are part of EQ classic.

The only area I do think is worth fixing is that you currently can not drop money on p99 as you could in classic.

It is a crapshoot whether or not you will get reimbursed. If the GMs had a 100% reimbursement policy, a shared bank would certainly not be needed

[Buriedpast]

Ask any member <inglourious basterds>, and most older guys in TMO.

If you're unsure, ask another one of their guildies if they're legit awesome cunts.

[Fuzzi]

This is shaping up to be a good, informative thread. Maybe I was off base and hadn't spent enough time around the forums and tunnel. My distrust may have been because of general douchebaggery that I see in posts about raid mobs.

I am still for a shared bank but maybe next time I will look up one of these 'trustworthy' individuals first.

[Daldaen]

I'm verfied Xferer just check my sig :P. I probably wont be back to my normal spot at entrance of EC for another week or so though. There are plenty of trustworthy people in EC tunnel on a regular basis though to help.

You should log in cause my wizard has been wanting 2 items my druid has foreverrrr

[fastboy21]

It is a crapshoot whether or not you will get reimbursed. If the GMs had a 100% reimbursement policy, a shared bank would certainly not be needed

You shouldn't be reimbursed. If you "trust" someone you shouldn't have trusted then shame on you...go make friends in EQ (cough, mmo) that you can actually trust.

At the end of the day, what does winning EQ mean? Making friends or having pixels?

[Daldaen]

You shouldn't be reimbursed. If you "trust" someone you shouldn't have trusted then shame on you...go make friends in EQ (cough, mmo) that you can actually trust.

At the end of the day, what does winning EQ mean? Making friends or having pixels?

Pixels.

[baalzy]

Why didn't you just have your brother log in? Also, coin dropping is blocked by the UI so I'm not sure if they'll ever be able to fix that into classicness.

If you want to transfer plat, just buy some gems. You'll lose a small bit on the conversion but if you're transfering more than a few hundred PP to be able to buy spells with you really should just find someone else to do it for you.

Now, I am with you, I'd love for either shared banks or the ability to create a 'transfer' account that you could 2 box with legitimately but it's never going to happen. Infact I even made a poll about it a few years ago: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36316.

It won't happen so I've just learned to adapt.

[Maelstrom]

I've been dropping bags like crazy for my new alt. Just find a nice empty room in Freeport or any other city. Make sure to park both characters there. Drop the bag at 10 seconds to camp and logon to your other character as fast as you possibly can. It's kind of a thrill to see the bag still there when you login!

[fastboy21]

Why didn't you just have your brother log in? Also, coin dropping is blocked by the UI so I'm not sure if they'll ever be able to fix that into classicness.

If you want to transfer plat, just buy some gems. You'll lose a small bit on the conversion but if you're transfering more than a few hundred PP to be able to buy spells with you really should just find someone else to do it for you.

Now, I am with you, I'd love for either shared banks or the ability to create a 'transfer' account that you could 2 box with legitimately but it's never going to happen. Infact I even made a poll about it a few years ago: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36316.

It won't happen so I've just learned to adapt.

the solution to dropping coins is to create a gem that buys and sells without any loss that you can drop on the ground and weighs the same as the coinage would have. put the npc that sells it only near the banker in major cities etc. you can prob give the gem the same model as the coins had...so you could get the classic look of coins on the ground back too.

dropping actual coins can't happen because of the restrictions on p99 as I understand it, but work arounds are possible.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I drop all my fungis in the tunnel directly in front of Druids. Makes it look like grubs. Hidden in plain sight.

Jk. Too scurred

Also no fungus

Poverty

[fastboy21]

Pixels.

totally fair answer. just not for everyone.

[fastboy21]

I've been dropping bags like crazy for my new alt. Just find a nice empty room in Freeport or any other city. Make sure to park both characters there. Drop the bag at 10 seconds to camp and logon to your other character as fast as you possibly can. It's kind of a thrill to see the bag still there when you login!

everyone has their favorite "secret" spots to do ground transfers...

i think there is an issue on live of npcs picking up bags thats doesn't happen here.

[Byrjun]

a guy on red made a ui that allows you to use the shared bank, i havent seen anyone banned for it so you might as well ask him if you can get a copy

names dullah on forums

The shared bank requires server code to function correctly, you can't just make a UI that has it. You might be able to spoof the two extra bank slots, but it won't function as an actual shared bank. In fact, in the stock EQEmu code the shared bank doesn't even function and is the basis of a few dupe exploits.

[myxomatosii]

I drop all my fungis in the tunnel directly in front of Druids. Makes it look like grubs. Hidden in plain sight.

Jk. Too scurred

Also no fungus

Poverty

Shoulda been playing when they were going for 35k. Dag. I still paid 60k.. market crashed after I bought mine :(

60, to 50, to 42, to 35.. bottomed at 35. Then the server population exploded a few months later for whatever reason. 100+ now.

[radditsu]

The shared bank requires server code to function correctly, you can't just make a UI that has it. You might be able to spoof the two extra bank slots, but it won't function as an actual shared bank. In fact, in the stock EQEmu code the shared bank doesn't even function and is the basis of a few dupe exploits.

Shared bank works fine on all emu servers ive ever been on.

[Byrjun]

Shared bank works fine on all emu servers ive ever been on.

It didn't as of a year or two ago. Maybe you were playing on a server that has specifically fixed it, or maybe it's been fixed in recent updates.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Shoulda been playing when they were going for 35k. Dag. I still paid 60k.. market crashed after I bought mine :(

60, to 50, to 42, to 35.. bottomed at 35. Then the server population exploded a few months later for whatever reason. 100+ now.

There's a lot of things I wish I had done.

Started Yumyums January of 2013 so most of the fun stuff had already been capped and a lot of items had taken on their current pricing scheme.

Oh well.

Keeping this bad boy on track - there are plenty of places to do ground transfers and probably more reputable people to perform trades. If you can't find one or are not familiar with the tunnel rats spend 5 minutes going through the forums. You'll eventually find someone with enough history/integrity to transfer you green silken drape for you.

The person in my sig (Torg) boxed and now he endlessly files paperwork in pixel purgatory.

In Bongs/Bob we trust.

[tristantio]

Anyone remember leaving items in the forge for transfers or random people to find?

[yevea]

The main problem I can see with that is if the established guy steals the stuff, and says, hey I have a good rep I'd never do that! And its noobie's word vs community figure.

This is why I play with logs on and screenshot every single transfer I ask someone to do for me. screenshot with trade window, their confirmation of a tell window asking them to transfer to my alt and their agreement to do so.

[Digits]

Were you that Shaman and Druid I reported for 2 boxing yesterday at Seafury Island.

[Fuzzi]

Me? No, I am not good enough at cheating to actually level up. >.>

[Mehrk]

We can also do the good old drop trading. Much classic, so ease. Except you lose the option to give an alt some start up capital and you risk losing all your stuff. We all remember the days of coin dropping and why it was removed, but in case you don't here is a reminder.

I drop xfer all the time. Ground dropped items actually last a decent amount of time. Haven't actually timed it but a few minutes. As for coin, you can easily buy/resell gems from merchants. I just rerolled my cleric today and was going to just give away 178p till I realized I could buy two fire emeralds off a vendor for 88 and then sell them for 81. 7 plat loss per unit.. big deal.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against shared bank or coin drop. Out of all the non-classic things I'd say shared bank is up there with non-classic UI for reasonable requests.

[dalaimoc]

...and of course you can use my - Item Transfer Service -, including Norrath wide delivery (as zones are accessible to me)

Slothbynature Lazybutt, Assling Druid

[Rooj]

Didn't read thru the thread but I think drop item transfers are generally safe UNLESS there is no one else in the zone (also try to avoid NPCs I think?)
Howeverrrrrrrr... I have had many many MANY complete strangers ask me to transfer their items and tell me it was simply because of my guild tag.

[Xer0]

Well considering the odds of you getting banned and losing everything for twoboxing is 100% when caught and the odds of you losing everything by asking someone from a well established guild for a transfer is literally 0% I think we can all see that this guy is full of shit and just mad he was caught doing something really dumb.


Shared bank slots are a good idea. just my opinion .

Didn't read thru the thread but I think drop item transfers are generally safe UNLESS there is no one else in the zone (also try to avoid NPCs I think?)
Howeverrrrrrrr... I have had many many MANY complete strangers ask me to transfer their items and tell me it was simply because of my guild tag.

Done this before-- see someone in a biger guild (taken, bda, etc) ill ask them to hold onto stuff, as long as my alt is right near by

[Xer0]

This is why I play with logs on and screenshot every single transfer I ask someone to do for me. screenshot with trade window, their confirmation of a tell window asking them to transfer to my alt and their agreement to do so.

Doesnt really matter. There's a whole sticky about this in the trade forum I think

[billw134]

I drop transfer to myself all of the time. Especially when Mathiau is AFK in the tunnel.

One time I was disconnected, and it took a couple of minutes to log back on. My stuff was still there however.

Another time someone had picked up my bag. Then I received it in a trade window. People are pretty honest for the most part.

I have only had two people mess with me after logging onto my alt to receive the gear. They gave it to me though as I didn't freak out on them.

If someone asks me to do a transfer I always do, and without trying to mess with someone. I know I appreciate it when someone helps me out. I'm more than happy to do it for them!

[Amratoth]

Hope this is enough on topic as not to be considered spam.

To all the people doing drop transfers or who doesn't know anyone trustworthy enough for them:

If you see me around feel free to ask for help, for free. You can check some feedback about me in this thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128538).

Thanks for your attention!

[Malone88]

Shared Bank would be awesome.

I hate dropping stuff on the ground or asking for transfers.

Don't care if it's "not classic", it would be hella-convenient and wouldn't really
take away from "classic" experience, IMO.

WoW got one thing right with their mail system.

[bOONDOGGLE]

... or you could just ask pretty much anyone who seems relatively trustworthy.

I've transferred shit probably at least 50 times and never had anything stolen. Even when I use lowbies who just got into my guild a few days prior (Knights Who Say Ni - pretty much invites everyone), they were always super cool about it.