Mesmerisation and Enthrall+

[Brain]

The only AOE Mez that i'm aware of in the game at this point (Mesmerisation) Is blocking out higher level single target mezzes (such as enthrall) - stating that it is a higher level mez spell.

This really hurts our mezzing becaue all the aoe mezzed mobs break at the same time and there is no way to remez except by using the same low duration aoe mez.

Please change it so our longer lasting single target mezzes can be applied to mobs AFTER aoe mezzed.

Thanks

[guineapig]

I came across this to a couple weeks ago and completely forgot to post it.

[Allied10]

Oddly enough you can Overwrite Mesmerization (lvl16 AoE) with Mesmerize (lvl4 Single Target), but not with Enthrall (lvl16 Single Target).
Then, once it is Mesmerized with Mesmerize (lvl4), you cant overwrite it with Enthrall (lvl16).

Someone also said this problem exists with our Weaken line of spells (-agi -str), but i havn't tested that yet.


So if your going to use the AoE mez, your going to have to use the lvl4 mez and just reapply it a lot... since it has a short duration. At least until this is fixed.

Allianna - 18 Enchanter of P99

[Jara]

Bump. Having the same problem

[siinge]

Bard mez overwrites enchanter mez. Enchcanters should be able to overwirte the lower bard mez.

If a bard mez's a target, you cast mez on target it dosen't stick. But enchanter gets the aggro hit. It should overwrite due to the higher lvl spell and duration. It can really cripple a group if a bard decides to mezz a few things. Shuts your enchanter down and kills him.

Fix?

[Allied10]

lol, yah. The first time i used my AoE mez i almost got myself killed. I Couldn't put up my targeted Mez, then all the AoE mez mobs got out of mez at the same time and came for me. O_o

Wonder why the lvl4 mes doesn't have this problem.

[Omnimorph]

Yeah, bard mez really messes me up in group, i can't overwrite their mez, and i still get the massive aggro it generates, so when bard's 3 tick mez wears off the mob comes right for me :p

[guineapig]

BUMP.

I try to tell the bard to either not mez at all unless I'm dead, or be solely responsible for mezes. The bard usually then says "I'll stop mezzing".

[Deathrydar]

BUMP.

I try to tell the bard to either not mez at all unless I'm dead, or be solely responsible for mezes. The bard usually then says "I'll stop mezzing".

lol! Smart Bard!

[dali_lb]

I seem to recall Sony having the same issues over the coarse of EQ.

Some times you could override AE mezz and sometimes you couldn't.

Not completely sure how it was original from day one, but as it was a common tactic to use short duration AE first and then remezz with higher lvl single target mezz, pretty sure the supposed function is to be able to override ae mezz on each mob without the ae mezz falling on the other mobs before its duration time ends

ie. after the AE mezz has landed on eg. 4 mobs, it should be regarded as 4 individual debuffs

[mitic]

till this gets fixed tell the bard to slow the mob after mezz. that should generate enough aggro for the bard

[swamp]

also experiencing this issue as described above

[Migs351]

This is still an issue, Mesmerization works as intended, max of 4 targets, aoe, etc. But, single target mez's should OVERWRITE this, AND vice-versa...

The reason I know this is because I grew up as a chanter and I specifically remember aoe mezzing, then single target mezzing and keeping them all mezzed while group picked them off, one by one. Unless I was resisted an ungodly amount of times, which rarely happened, the mobs never hit me, I would ae mez, single target mez the ones that the group wasn't hitting and then mem blur them so I would lose agro.

I've also noticed the bard/chanter mez stacking issue... if a bard mez's a mob that's been mezzed by a chanter... it does some odd things, it moves and attacks, EVEN though it still has the mez on (The mez wear off message comes only when someone damages it or it actually does wear off...) If the bard's song goes off I think it stops moving and attacking... it's like cancelling out the effect of the mez if there's two of them on...

Either way, two huge issues.

[pickled_heretic]

pretty sure it's working as intended. this is from the p99 wiki, which i believe the source was originally a castersrealm guide that was current during late kunark - early velious. Some of the guide is written like a journal and has some dates posted around December of '99. source (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Xornn%27s_Enchanter_Spell_Guide)

Mesmerize, Enthrall, and Mesmerization do not stack, and you must let one expire before putting on another. For example, if you have been AE Mezzing three mobs, and you want to switch to Enthrall on them, you'd best root them or something while they're under the AE mez, and when the effect breaks quickly Enthrall them. I recommend just layering the AE mez on until there's only one mob.

[Migs351]

I've scoured through the eq patches looking for this change as something like this would have been a MASSIVE change that would have been noted in a change log, but I couldn't find anything, I searched words: mesmerize, mez, mesmerization, aoe, area of effect, overwrite, enchanter. Nothing that would indicate a change to the effects not overwriting each other.. I played a chanter for 7 years and I know I always had them overwrite one another.

The only change I could find that is worth mentioning is: "Changed all enchanter mesmerization spells so that they overwrite Screaming Terror." on 9/11/2001.

In case you're wondering where I searched, it's here: http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/

[Werlop]

Can we have word on bard/chanter mez overwriting each other? Right now, bard mezzes can't be overwritten by chanters.

[Uthgaard]

Working as intended.

[Galanteer]

yup, played enchanter from start on live. Mezz overwrite was always a pain. It was patched in years later to allow ae mezz to be overwrote by single. Weak bard mezz overwrote long enchanter mezz without recourse to remezz.