Plane of Sky Quest = MQable

[Daldaen]

I think this is a "devs know it" thing, but I searched the forums quick for Plane of Sky Quests and didn't come up with any posts of the like so here it is:

All Plane of Sky quests should be multi-questable. Currently, none of them are. I'd imagine this has something to do with the time consumption involved in rewriting... 14 x 6 = 84 quests. (Accounting for 6 per class. Exceptions of 7 Mage and SK, and 4 Paladin)

But... It is a classic mechanic:

2005 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=70)
I didn't address quests much here. Most of the quests in Sky are for outdated stuff - you can't even give away MQs to level 46s on. Mostly peeps just don't want that low stat garb. There are a few notable exceptions.

2004 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=356)
I would imagine so, but if you find a ranger who actually has the fine velvet cloak you can guarantee he won't sell you the MQ of it even if you offer 1 million plat. 90% self haste (with epic) is INSANE! Some may laugh, but think about putting a wurmslayer in your primary slot just to check out how fast the wurmy goes and buzzes through the mobs(and throw in that +3 dmg aug from NRo Wayfarer Camp just for kicks).

2004 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=22359)
I got it and the Black Silk Cloak today. No Ranger there so I guess I will MQ it for someone...

2003 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=350)
Went to PoS the other night. SPiroc Feathers did NOT drop on the isle. Went to Horsey Isle, keeled KoS and 2 capes dropped. I got one for my epic and guildee grabbed another for MQ. He hurts when he hits.... Dropped 2 capes some Gem, and a rogue only No drop belt with haste on it.

2002 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=350)
The cape is nodrop, the other 2 are tradable. The whole quest can be MQ'd.


2001 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=981)
I looted all 3 items while playing my cleric on a PoA raid. The Diaphonous Globe drops on Isle 3. The Pegasus hide on isle 4. Those 2 are tradeable. The Cloth Belt drops as a very rare off the Spiroc Lord on Isle 5. It is no drop. I ported my SK up to finish the quest later that evening.

Etc.

[Erati]

WTB Small Shield, Azure Ring, Djinni War Blade and Spiroc Air totem MQs pls

[Ele]

I think a couple are MQable, b/c of later fixes. But the rest of them were written pre-kunark so they don't have an MQ script.

[Daldaen]

If I were a better programmer, I'd offer to rewrite these quests for you. I do get sad seeing haste belt pieces rot cause someone was held up at work or whatnot.

But yea I'm guessing that may be the case Ele. Just would be cool if they all were written as such.

[Daldaen]

I think this is a "devs know it" thing, but I searched the forums quick for Plane of Sky Quests and didn't come up with any posts of the like so here it is
Curious if this is indeed the case. Wondering if a blue, red or purple name might comment!

[nilbog]

Yes, that's the case. It's on a big list of todo.

Many pre-kunark quests are not mqable, yet.

[Daldaen]

Fantastic. Just wanted to see if my recollection was right. Would love to see this changed, but obviously yea... Rewriting 70 quests I can imagine is time consuming.

[Man0warr]

I remember Sky being pretty much a ghost town after Velious launch so the ship may have sailed on making the most use out of MQs.

Still will be some guilds running it I suppose.

[Erati]

I remember Sky being pretty much a ghost town after Velious launch so the ship may have sailed on making the most use out of MQs.

Still will be some guilds running it I suppose.

plenty of Sky stuff is still worthy come Velious

in fact I dont think many guilds cleared all of Sky that often before Velious

I also remember having to make trips up there during Velious just to get that Wingblade from the SL.....used to be a mini bottleneck

[Nirgon]

Ya that wingblade... reminds of when melee'ing cost stamina.

[Snagglepuss]

Bump for update. It makes me cry when things rot.

[Briscoe]

I remember Sky being pretty much a ghost town after Velious launch so the ship may have sailed on making the most use out of MQs.

Still will be some guilds running it I suppose.

I may be projecting onto the rest of the Live raiding population what was my own ignorance back then, but I don't know how many guilds realized the wealth of good quest items that were available. I know that I only really regarded Sky as this annoying weekend-eating pain in the ass zone that was necessary for some epics. I certainly did not appreciate how nice so many of the quest items are. So given that, plus the fact that P99 guilds can wipe out Sky way more efficiently than Live guilds could, I would expect to see Sky still populated after Velious drops.

[Daldaen]

Having MQable Sky would be great.

There would be WAY less corpses on island 1 if people didn't need to key their alts to do quests. Just key their main and port up their alts to MQ full quests.

Also would make Sky a lot more bearable since you wouldn't see stuff rotting when you know people who couldn't make it one night needed an item.

But I understand its a large amount of effort to rewrite all the quests.

[Daldaen]

Was thinking about this last night...

Could this be crowd sourced out to the community? Post the code for all the PoSky quests, and then post the code for 1 of them rewritten to be MQable? And let us rewrite the other 83~ quests?

[Snagglepuss]

Bumping Daldaen's question. Is there anyway the community can help speed up the coding process?

It would be great for guilds to be able to swap MQ's for items various classes need or at the least bank rots for a class that missed the raid.

[botrainer]

It would be easy enough to rewrite it from a stand point of if you can run your own server like some / few here can do, but the only problem is, I dont know if P99 has different item numbers then the standard install has for PoSky items...Would need a special insight to the database to check the ID numbers of each item to ensure your rewriting the quest to be MQable would actually work on P99...even if we got it to work on a stand alone private server.

If it can be confirmed that the item numbers are the same here on P99 as they are on the run of the mill standard emu server you wouldnt need their coding, just use the ones the EMU installer server gives you and make minor adjustments then.

[Daldaen]

Was thinking about this last night...

Could this be crowd sourced out to the community? Post the code for all the PoSky quests, and then post the code for 1 of them rewritten to be MQable? And let us rewrite the other 83~ quests?

Bumpulation.

How viable is this Nilbog?

We had a Rogue and Paladin 41% haste belt piece rot last night because no rogue or paladin was available to loot it. But we certainly had a few that just couldn't make the raid.

This makes me sad :(. Is there any chance it can be put out to the community to rewrite them?

I don't want this to take precedence over Velious stuff, but it'd be nice if we could help write the quests to be MQable.

[Daldaen]

Bump. Could we send this out to the community?

Show the code for a single MQable written sky quest then let us rewrite the other 71 sky quests to be MQable?

I'm sure we have people up to the task. I'd do my best to emulate the example quest if posted.

If this is something that is feasible but you'd prefer to limit PM me and I can do my best to help.

[norova]

I'd be on board to assist as well.

[Technique]

likewise

[nilbog]

Was thinking about this last night...

Could this be crowd sourced out to the community? Post the code for all the PoSky quests, and then post the code for 1 of them rewritten to be MQable? And let us rewrite the other 83~ quests?

Sorry this won't be possible. When I, or another developer writes a quest, it needs to be tested within our environment. This wouldn't be possible with outsourced quests - and I would still need to go through each one of them.

Rewriting these is on a to-do list.

[Daldaen]

Okay fair enough, will cease bumping this one.

Thanks for the reply.

[Achromatic]

bump


anyone know if this has been fixed yet?

[Thulack]

bump


anyone know if this has been fixed yet?

It has not and doubt its been worked on.

[Jarnauga]

I don't get the point of having no drop items if you can MQ anything.

MQ is a classic bug that should be treated as it is: a bug.

[Daldaen]

So was global cooldown refresh. So were many other things.

MQs still work on live. It's not a bug. The Quest NPC asks you to return with several items, if you give him half of what he asks and your valiant companion gives him the other half, he would reward you. It's pretty common sense to me.

[SamwiseRed]

I don't get the point of having no drop items if you can MQ anything.

MQ is a classic bug that should be treated as it is: a bug.

i like you bluebie. i agree.

[Achromatic]

MQs still work on live. It's not a bug.

[Man0warr]

There were a lot of "bugs"/mechanics that the original developers never intended, but fixing them when they wanted to would have caused a ton of outrage so they didn't.

FD pulling, CH rotations, Multi-questing, etc

[Achromatic]

bump

[Achromatic]

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[Daldaen]

Nilbog has already responded. You won't get any traction on this.

He knows they should be MQable and its in the to do list but likely won't be touched until the era patches (June-December 2001) are completed.

[Achromatic]

Bump

[jpetrick]

Bump

Read the thread. Stop bumping this.

[Achromatic]

Read the thread. Stop bumping this.

No.

[jag2kk]

I understand that this is on a to do list, I am just curious if there has been any progress made as to my knowledge the last response from a developer regarding this issue was almost 3 years ago. No I am not trying to hound nilbog, I am just genuinely curious if rewriting these quests is still a priority to the devs.

[Daldaen]

It never was a priority. Was always on the back burner and will continue to be until the timeline on P99 is complete.

[SamwiseRed]

Mqing is a classic unintended mechanic that needs to go away. Like recharging.

[Jimjam]

Mqing is a classic unintended mechanic that needs to go away. Like recharging.

After p99 green looses its sheen the next server up could be p99:debugged.

[loramin]

After p99 green looses its sheen the next server up could be p99:debugged.

Or Blue could become p99:debugged ...

[gwideon]

Gnomish Greetings!

A quick fix could be to change the quest pieces from no-drop to tradeable until the quests are reworked. I know this is not classic, but neither is being unable to MQ the pieces.

[jag2kk]

^this seems like a reasonable alternative honestly, would also save the devs the headache of having to spend hours re-coding each individual quest.

[Daldaen]

As green has been announced, and Sky will be the end game content on the server for several months I was wondering if getting these quests coded for multi-quest would be a possibility prior to Sky release?

[Senescant]

Welcome back...scumbag.

[Dolalin]

The hero returns!

[Argentate]

Appreciate the work. <3

[Chapelle]

Are Sky quests MQ'able now?

[PabloEdvardo]

Will they be MQable on Green? This will affect us soon.

[Daldaen]

Bump. This will be relevant for Green soon.

All PoSky quests should be MQable.

[Telin]

Hopefully I got them all... Fixed pending update.

[Daldaen]

A+ Update, been long awaited by the entire P99 community. Will be very nice to be able to MQ no drop items to your friends who didn't make a raid night or skip the whole corpse summoning or swapping to alts for loot.

[Baler]

Hopefully I got them all... Fixed pending update.

Wow this is huge for p99, thank you!

[Sarkhan]

Has this update gone live?

[Nirgon]

Can't wait to see dump trucks of pixels from Veeshans realm dropped on my returning best frens in Kubark