Ratraz-Neriak 3rd Gate

[Catashe]

Unless I'm mistaken, Ratraz the troll was never assisted by the merchants and guards when you killed him back in the old days or at least they never did when I killed him back then. And it seems according to the old Allakhazam archives it seems to mention that he never did get assisted by the merchants or guards. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

[Potus]

Yeah no one should assist Ratraz.

He was a premium camp for lowbies because he dropped good loot and plat, had a 6min respawn time, and could repair the faction hits with the red wine.

[Catashe]

At least I'm not crazy then, cause both merchants and guards assist him atm.. scared the the shit out of me when a merchant and 2 guards came after me lol Thank god for FD

[Potus]

Merchants shouldn't assist anyone ever.

And yeah why are the guards assisting a lowly degenerate like Ratraz?

[nilbog]

From what I can tell, guards should assist Ratraz because he is on DarkBargainers faction. The merchants should not, and that is fixed, pending update.

Pending update:

Corrected various neriakc factions where vendors would assist guards or npcs. They are now on their own table without assists.

[Catashe]

From what I can tell, guards should assist Ratraz because he is on DarkBargainers faction. The merchants should not, and that is fixed, pending update.

Pending update:

Corrected various neriakc factions where vendors would assist guards or npcs. They are now on their own table without assists.

While its true Ratraz is on The DarkBargainers faction, he was never assisted by the guards.

As for help on the research about it

Everlore's website says no one will attack you while fighting him which would be easy for a guard to assist cause theres a guard by the jeweler in 3rd gate and most necros who kill him fear kite him

http://web.archive.org/web/20010710191657/http://everlore.com/bestiary/beastdetails.asp?mode=show&BID=91748

There is also a fourm message on the Alla archive that mentions that there was a patch that made the guards assist him and then another post 5 days later saying that it was a lie that he killed him just fine without any guards assisting

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617041923/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2333

Also on the quest page that he is actually for, there is a post that mentions he's not very hard to kill and nothing aggros when he runs which means guards(since there is a guard pretty much right outside the door from the bar aka outside the jeweler building thats right next door) on Oct 6th 2000

http://web.archive.org/web/20021031074433/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=606

[Potus]

From what I can tell, guards should assist Ratraz because he is on DarkBargainers faction. The merchants should not, and that is fixed, pending update.

Pending update:

Corrected various neriakc factions where vendors would assist guards or npcs. They are now on their own table without assists.

I had Iago, merchant in East Karana assist Guard Miranda when I fought her. Are merchants assisting people on P99 everywhere? :(

[nilbog]

While its true Ratraz is on The DarkBargainers faction, he was never assisted by the guards.


If this is the case, it can't easily be recreated without quite a bit of effort. To make guards assist certain DarkBargainers, and not others, that would mean two different darkbargainers factions, then it wouldn't make sense.

I found this guy on eqlive, and didn't see where he pathed by guards, but on p99, he does.

If someone gets time, make a dark elf on eqlive, and fight his guy near a guard to see what happens.

I had Iago, merchant in East Karana assist Guard Miranda when I fought her. Are merchants assisting people on P99 everywhere? :(

Sporadically, yes. I did the query to isolate these, but it will take time to implement fixes. There are quite a few, in different zones.

[Catashe]

If this is the case, it can't easily be recreated without quite a bit of effort. To make guards assist certain DarkBargainers, and not others, that would mean two different darkbargainers factions, then it wouldn't make sense.

I found this guy on eqlive, and didn't see where he pathed by guards, but on p99, he does.

If someone gets time, make a dark elf on eqlive, and fight his guy near a guard to see what happens.


I just logged on live and fought Ratraz right next to a guard and he just stood there and watched.

http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss51/sedden/EQ000001.png

hopefully that picture will come up I don't normally like uploading pictures hehe.

Honestly I don't know how the devs made Ratraz to be non-assistable and yet still give negative guard and merchant faction to Neriak but apparently they did

Also, are we certain the guards will assist the darkbringers anyway? Afterall they are the merchants and people don't normally go around attacking merchants.. Or at least not from my memory since merchants don't attack you and you have no real reason to attack them.

[Potus]

I just read some old necro guides and they say no one assists Ratraz. I am guessing the guards do not assist Darkbargainers.

[Gaxx]

I camped and fear kited Ratraz on live back in the day. Never had to worry about any assists.

[tristantio]

I remember hunting him on live back in the day, never had guard issues.

[nilbog]

Also, are we certain the guards will assist the darkbringers anyway? Afterall they are the merchants and people don't normally go around attacking merchants.. Or at least not from my memory since merchants don't attack you and you have no real reason to attack them.

Very interesting. If this is the case, and guards should not assist DarkBargainers, would solve this issue.

[Nirgon]

My pal actually got a GM to reset his faction after killing him on live when he farmed the npc for happy love bracers for people.

I'm not sure which factions it fucked up but it was enough to be a major pain in the ass to the point the GM helped him.

Nothing assisted him fosho despite whatever faction hits.

[Catashe]

Very interesting. If this is the case, and guards should not assist DarkBargainers, would solve this issue.

Its the only thing I can possibly think of, since between everything I've look up and seeing that he doesn't getting assisted by anyone(there was even one post I found somewhere one day, and god forbid me I can't find it anymore, said he could run all the way to the neriak commons zone and nothing would help him). Its the only possible thing I could think of but then again there's no true way to totally prove it though.

The next possible thing would be attack a actually merchant and see if the guards assist them but can you even attack merchants on EQlive anymore? I could have sworn that did away with that after awhile.

[nilbog]

The next possible thing would be attack a actually merchant and see if the guards assist them but can you even attack merchants on EQlive anymore? I could have sworn that did away with that after awhile.

Yeah I don't think you can attack them anymore. There are a few other non-merchant npcs that should be on DarkBargainers.

select distinct npt.name,fl.name, sp2.zone from npc_types npt
join spawnentry spt on (spt.npcid = npt.id) join npc_faction npcf on (npcf.id = npt.npc_faction_id) join faction_list fl on (fl.id = npcf.primaryfaction)
join spawn2 sp2 on (sp2.spawngroupid=spt.spawngroupid) where npcf.primaryfaction = '69' and npt.class <> '41' order by fl.name,sp2.zone

Divn_L`Crit DarkBargainers neriaka
Bregna DarkBargainers neriaka
Pungla DarkBargainers neriaka
Antian_F`Lok DarkBargainers neriakb
Ratraz DarkBargainers neriakc
Lokar_To`Biath DarkBargainers neriakc
Dizra_To`Biath DarkBargainers neriakc
Mare_X`Lottl DarkBargainers neriakc

[Catashe]

Yeah I don't think you can attack them anymore. There are a few other non-merchant npcs that should be on DarkBargainers.

select distinct npt.name,fl.name, sp2.zone from npc_types npt
join spawnentry spt on (spt.npcid = npt.id) join npc_faction npcf on (npcf.id = npt.npc_faction_id) join faction_list fl on (fl.id = npcf.primaryfaction)
join spawn2 sp2 on (sp2.spawngroupid=spt.spawngroupid) where npcf.primaryfaction = '69' and npt.class <> '41' order by fl.name,sp2.zone

Divn_L`Crit DarkBargainers neriaka
Bregna DarkBargainers neriaka
Pungla DarkBargainers neriaka
Antian_F`Lok DarkBargainers neriakb
Ratraz DarkBargainers neriakc
Lokar_To`Biath DarkBargainers neriakc
Dizra_To`Biath DarkBargainers neriakc
Mare_X`Lottl DarkBargainers neriakc

I would try the other ones but besides Lokar.. I don't really know where the others are and I'd probably end up killing lokar before I got him near a guard but I can try =\

EDIT: Well, i just attacked and dragged Lokar To'Biath to a guard and the guard didn't assist him either. So I guess it pretty much confirms the guards don't assist the DarkBargainers faction

Heres a picture of Lokar beating on me next to a guard to confirm: http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss51/sedden/EQ000002.png

[nilbog]

Thanks for help narrowing this down.

Pending update,
DreadguardInner no longer assists Darkbargainers in neriakc.