shaman epic faction WTF???

[mostbitter]

So I've had to have a friend charm the stupid thing for me since it isn't considered an animal. I got the first gem and turned that in at freeport. gem. I've turned in two sets woe/envy/marrs promise. I'm still apprehensive??? The wandering spirit also gave me a gem when charmed but the spirit in Ej won't accept it. Is this working as intended?

[Daldaen]

Sort of.

The part that isn't working as intended is the fact that shamans start at Apprehensively. Every class should be defaulted to apprehensively upon character creation, EXCEPT Shamans. They should default to Indifferently, allowing you to do these parts of the quest.

A few people have randomly posted evidence but there is no specific thread about this issue. Get a few quotes from 2000-2001 about starting at indifferent and you should be gold and they can patch it so that all shamans begin at indifferent.

[nilbog]

Every class should be defaulted to apprehensively upon character creation, EXCEPT Shamans. They should default to Indifferently, allowing you to do these parts of the quest.

?

Yeah need some research about this. Easy to fix if so.

Or, create shaman on eqlive, find a TrueSpirit npc, con it. Screenshot and submit. Better evidence than nothing.

[loramin]

Did you skip the test of patience? I don't know how much faction it gives vs. a woe/envy turn-in, but it might be more than one turn-in (which would explain what you're seeing, if you skipped it).

[Scrubosaur]

On live (Vulak server) I was able to raise faction by speaking to the true spirit in BB after killing Peg Leg and then porting to WC and running to Freeport to turn in the gem to Bondl Felligan. This was done with an Iksar Shaman without any other faction work. I repeated the process until faction was maxed and skipped to the tear turn in portion of the quest. I have not played a shaman on p99 but this is how the shaman epic is working on Live.

[Daldaen]

?

Yeah need some research about this. Easy to fix if so.

Or, create shaman on eqlive, find a TrueSpirit npc, con it. Screenshot and submit. Better evidence than nothing.

This isn't a classic post by any means but from this other thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1530410&postcount=6):

Should have used sneak instead of faction pendant to start it off. I tried various characters; I know that beastlords and zerkers have the same good faction as Shamans while all other classes are under par. Maybe I'll try it again."

I can look for more in era about shamans starting indifferent or I can log on my PC shaman to confirm the above quote.

2007 Allakhazam (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/faction.html?faction=181)

Camin in Erudin WILL boost your Truespirit faction by giving him 1k plat per hand in. I went from Indifferent to Ally on my Barb Shaman in 92 hand ins. (Yes that is 92k plat).

He is located upstairs of the inn (first building on left wall when u zone into Erudin) he stays in the first room on the left upstairs.

2001 Allakhazam (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=767&p=7#comments)

I am a level 51 Iksar Shaman, and everyone is indifferent or better along this quest. I read some people trying to start this before even level 30. With the exception of possiblly getting the Shield of Falsehood, I would not recommend starting this until the high 40's. You need at least a full group of high 40's to take down Black Dire, and all of the uber mobs in CoM and the Hole, take 3-5 level 46-60 groups.

[mostbitter]

lets get this fixed. Is there anyone that believes that shamans ought to have to track down an enchanter at multiple points during this quest in order to get the damn mob charmed so that it will talk to them?

[Daldaen]

lets get this fixed. Is there anyone that believes that shamans ought to have to track down an enchanter at multiple points during this quest in order to get the damn mob charmed so that it will talk to them?

Might I direct you to the Paladin Fiery Avenger quest? It really wasn't that implausible of a notion. And you really only needed to track one down til you are out of apprehensively. Epic quests take collaboration and tea worked throughout their duration. Even with this restriction it is the easiest epic bar rogues. Atleast you can still finish it in your low 50s where's necros mages Druids warriors rangers wizards are in guilds that kill raid mobs every week and they still don't have their epic after many months of that because epic drops off raid bosses are rare.

It should be fixed, yes. But it really isn't that unreasonable of a bar to set to achieve an epic. You want unreasonable let's talk about the necro of Mage epics.

[Zaela]

not real evidence obviously -- and I don't know how you guys can remember so much about stuff you did ~13+ years ago -- but having done shammy epic during velious era when i was like 14, four things stand out in my memory:

1) rocking atari shield

2) swimming out into the middle of nowhere solo being fucking terrifying even doing the surface clipping thing. fuck big bodies of water during classic eq, seriously

3) leaving a laggy streak of purple particles from EJ through FoB after getting sow shoes

and 4) having to get an enc to charm a dog for me one (1) time to get the whole thing started

pretty sure i would have done all the steps in order without repeating anything, didn't know any better at the time

[Byrjun]

While we're talking about the Shaman epic... I have no hard evidence besides doing the quest 3 times on live.

I've never heard of anyone having to charm anything to do the quest. If you do the quest "normally" you should always have enough faction for each step. (This is as a shaman... are we talking about non-shaman faction? Because that was different and required some grinding)

The biggest inaccuracy with the epic here is how common the books are in CoM. No one ever used the CoM books to faction skip on live, yet everyone uses that method here. The drop rate on most of the books might be a bit right, but the Student's Log from the Spectral Courier was too rare for that to be an option. I personally spent about 16 hours camping that one book when I did my epic in Kunark. That was highly unusual, but the Courier still spawns way too often on P99. 1 spawn per 4 hours or so would be a start, instead of 1 spawn per 30-60 minutes as it is now.

The method that everyone used to faction skip on live was turning in Woe/Envy + Marr's Promise. I feel the faction you receive for this section of the quest is too low. It was 3-4 turn ins of Woe/Envy/Marr's Promise (including the gem turn in in EJ) to max faction on live.

Here's a non-classic comment about starting the epic:

Factioned it with an iksar monk, problaby 1 year to 2 years ago.

Did not take long at all this way. Curious how you managed to do it 10 times? unless you tested it with an enchanter. I had to use oen click from the orante velium pendant on the wolf, and one on Bondi in order to get the gem and get him to take it. After that I was able to get it without using any more clicks. I did use another click however when doing the turn in of the childs tear as otherwise a non-shaman will not have the faction.

Then there was a discussion about whether Sneak would have been enough... some people saying that an Indifferent faction about Sneak (0) is required... no conclusion was actually made though.

Here's a shaman factioning up by doing the first part of the quest:

First turn in to Bondl - indifferent to amiable (had already done up to Test of Patience)
Second - Amiable to Kindly
Third thru fourth - kindly to warmly
Fifth thru eighth - warmly to ally
Ninth thru 16th - ally, gave up and did Woe/Envy one time to max ally.

Probably would have been maybe four more times giving the gem to Bondl to max it out? Anyways I bound both shaman and druid at Bondl, ported to Buthcerblock, gated druid back as shaman ran to Peg Leg. Made a hotkey for the text so all I had to do was target and hit hotkey, bag the gem, and gate. Rinse, repeat.

I did the whole max ally faction with Peg Leg once before on a little shaman I started up on a new server once, as I was getting xp for the kills. This was a long time ago, many years, and I don't recall how many times it took, as I only did the hand in once per Peg Leg spawn for some silly reason, over a few day period.

[Daldaen]

With the new faction display on live, would it perhaps be worth it to turn in each piece and see how many faction points the turnins are.

I did Bondl on my 100 Druid and got +100 Truespirit. I could do the rest of the quest if it is information Nilbog would use to retune faction values.

[mostbitter]

Might I direct you to the Paladin Fiery Avenger quest? It really wasn't that implausible of a notion. And you really only needed to track one down til you are out of apprehensively. Epic quests take collaboration and tea worked throughout their duration. Even with this restriction it is the easiest epic bar rogues. Atleast you can still finish it in your low 50s where's necros mages Druids warriors rangers wizards are in guilds that kill raid mobs every week and they still don't have their epic after many months of that because epic drops off raid bosses are rare.

It should be fixed, yes. But it really isn't that unreasonable of a bar to set to achieve an epic. You want unreasonable let's talk about the necro of Mage epics.

not the same situation, if the enc had to come charm something so you could use it and move it then it would be but as it stands now you need the enchanter to come charm the mob so you can repeat the step numerous times and maybe not even see a bump in faction

[Daldaen]

Reading my post again makes me hate autocorrect.

The faction on Bondl turn in may be low as well. Something to look at IMO.

[blondeattk]

Any way to stop the faction exploits of this epic?

may as well hand them out at lvl 50. REally devalues ye olde mystical toofpick.

Not that i intend to do mine, never liked the spear on live and cant get my head around that feeling.

[Scrubosaur]

Any way to stop the faction exploits of this epic?

may as well hand them out at lvl 50. REally devalues ye olde mystical toofpick.

Not that i intend to do mine, never liked the spear on live and cant get my head around that feeling.

Not an exploit, just part of the game. Still able to do it on live.

[mostbitter]

bump

[mostbitter]

bump

[Daldaen]

For shits and giggles I tested this out on live with new faction:

[Sun Jul 13 09:42:41 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Bondl
[Sun Jul 13 09:49:36 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Bondl
[Sun Jul 20 12:11:16 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Bondl
[Sat Jul 26 12:34:22 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Erud's Crossing
[Sat Jul 26 13:11:24 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Erud's Crossing
[Sat Jul 26 14:03:37 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Wandering Spirit
[Sat Jul 26 15:51:21 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Envy/Woe
[Sat Jul 26 15:55:05 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Spirit Sentinel (Sparkling Gem)
[Sat Jul 26 16:01:01 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Black Dire
[Sat Jul 26 16:18:17 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- CoM Reports
[Sat Jul 26 16:19:49 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Lord Ghiosk Books
[Sat Jul 26 16:36:53 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- High Scale Icon Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:42:19 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- High Scale Kirn Ring Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:44:28 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 695. -- Neh'Ashiir Book Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:50:01 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit could not possibly get any better. -- Bondl to max

^ Those are the faction hits live has currently for the quest. Interestingly everything is a +100 hit except Neh'Ashiir's turnin, which is 695.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

Shamans should default to indifferent Truespirit. Every other class should default to Apprehensively.

If you feel so inclined to adjust faction values based on the EQLive ones that's your perogative. I have no way of proving either way that they are classic or not. Just what the new "show the faction amount" feature from EQLive showed when I did the epic factions.

[Byrjun]

Those faction hits are really fucking weird. It was 4 woe/envy turn ins at the most to max your faction, but that would only be +800 faction given your logs. But you're showing at least 1495 from that step to the end (+ whatever is after Neh Ashiir, seems like you didn't go further).

Something obviously got changed since that doesn't even correlate with my 2007 EQ Progression experience (where I used Woe/Envy to faction skip my epic). But why would they go back and alter the faction for the Kunark epic so late into EQ? Just so you could faction skip with the first turn in more easily?

Weird.

[Daldaen]

I may run through it on my 65 shaman I guess and see what happens. I'd be very intrigued if the faction hits are different on him than they are on my 100 Druid (who I did the ones posted above on. Had to burn a charge not my ornate velium pendant to get the spirit to talk to me!

[khanable]

?

Yeah need some research about this. Easy to fix if so.

Or, create shaman on eqlive, find a TrueSpirit npc, con it. Screenshot and submit. Better evidence than nothing.

Wouldn't the shaman epic guide itself be some proof to this?

https://web.archive.org/web/20001216014900/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/quests/Shaman_Spear_of_Fate.htm

dec 2000

Capt Surestout says 'You have run me through! Beware the Pirates of Gunthak.. They will avenge me.. Unngh!!

"A lesser spirit" will spawn where he's killed.

a lesser spirit begins to cast a spell.

a lesser spirit's body pulses with energy.

a lesser spirit regards you indifferently -- You could probably win this fight

It's the very first step, no?

[mostbitter]

Another problem down the line. I've turned in my black dire pelt. the next step is the completed book. I acquired it, filled it turned it in and the spirit sentinel won't accept it.


http://i57.tinypic.com/skxdsm.jpg

From the wiki :


( ) Turn in pelt to Spirit Sentinel in Emerald Jungle. Receive Black Fur Boots! Get 6 slot booklet from the spirit.
( ) Collect 6 reports from the City of Mist for booklet.
( ) Combine and turn in completed booklet to Spirit Sentinel in Emerald Jungle.
( ) Kill Lord Ghiosk in the City of Mist and loot the 3 books.
( ) Turn in books to Spirit in Emerald Jungle.

The faction required for the turn in has got to be off if you can get the boots and the book but you can't turn the book in!

[Daldaen]

Wouldn't the shaman epic guide itself be some proof to this?

https://web.archive.org/web/20001216014900/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/quests/Shaman_Spear_of_Fate.htm

dec 2000



It's the very first step, no?

Yea this seems like proof enough to me. Seems legit.

Shamans start at Indifferent
Non-shaman start at Apprehensively.

[nilbog]

Shamans start at Indifferent

Fixed, pending update.

Non-shaman start at Apprehensively.In the faction tables currently, enchanters start at indifferent. All other classes seem to be apprehensive. Anyone know more about this?

[Daldaen]

That would be interesting. The shaman, wizard and SK epics use TrueSpirit faction. Though the enchanter doesn't.

But enchanters are supposed to be one of the most versatile quest classes with their illusion abilities, so I wouldn't rule that out entirely.

[kaev]

that made no sense, wouldnt chanters be same as others and then use spells to gain higher faction ?

We're talking about EQ here, a game where, for instance, a "good" paladin is expected to murder another "good" paladin (or hire out the job) in order to do his epic quest. Why would you expect anything to "make sense"?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Also enchanters who are masters of mind control are completely unable to handle their summoned pet.

dateqlyfe

[mostbitter]

I'd suggest no one attempt to do this quest until it gets fixed. I've gone about grinding this faction out doing every step of the quest multiple times in order to work around the borked faction and the result is that despite doing the quest twice over the final turn in was refused.

Here you can see the mob has the correct faction, goes through the dialogue, has accepted the prior turn in and eats the final turn in anyway.


http://i58.tinypic.com/1zz75s5.jpg

[nilbog]

I'd suggest no one attempt to do this quest until it gets fixed. I've gone about grinding this faction out doing every step of the quest multiple times in order to work around the borked faction and the result is that despite doing the quest twice over the final turn in was refused.

Here you can see the mob has the correct faction, goes through the dialogue, has accepted the prior turn in and eats the final turn in anyway.


http://i58.tinypic.com/1zz75s5.jpg

The pending change has nothing to do with the final turn in. All it affected was the lesser spirits, who previously would talk to anyone, now require indifferent or better. Shamans, who were by default apprehensive with no work, will be indifferent at birth.

The spirit sentinel's acceptance of the iksar scale is dependent on absolutely maxed faction. Warmly, albeit the highest, can still be maxed. This is how it is currently written, and what everyone has needed to date. Is that not how it should be?

[Vega]

I always assumed people faction grinding on p99 was a byproduct of them skipping steps that were intended to be completed. If it's true that you actually are forced to do this here I think that's wrong. I can't imagine Verant designing any of the epic quests so you had to do parts of it multiple times to complete it.

[khanable]

If you do every single step of the epic - ONCE - you should be at max faction.

I can dig up some stuff about this, but I don't recall shamans ever needing to repeat steps simply to raise faction. IF that was the case, I think it would be well documented.

[Crom]

I always assumed people faction grinding on p99 was a byproduct of them skipping steps that were intended to be completed. If it's true that you actually are forced to do this here I think that's wrong. I can't imagine Verant designing any of the epic quests so you had to do parts of it multiple times to complete it.

/this

[mostbitter]

The pending change has nothing to do with the final turn in. All it affected was the lesser spirits, who previously would talk to anyone, now require indifferent or better. Shamans, who were by default apprehensive with no work, will be indifferent at birth.

The spirit sentinel's acceptance of the iksar scale is dependent on absolutely maxed faction. Warmly, albeit the highest, can still be maxed. This is how it is currently written, and what everyone has needed to date. Is that not how it should be?

You should be able to do every step of the quest and then finish with your scale turn in. I did the quest, repeating several steps in order to plug some of the holes in my faction climb I was seeing from having to charm the mobs to advance steps and still got my scale eaten. You also have points in the quest where you can complete the previous step, and then you can't complete the next step. For instance I turned in the black dire pelt, received my boots, then couldn't turn in the book for the next step.

[Tasslehofp99]

Not to derail but those non classic UI's should be banished from p99 lol.

[Daldaen]

Not to derail but those non classic UI's should be banished from p99 lol.

Amen brother druid, Amen.

[loramin]

If you do every single step of the epic - ONCE - you should be at max faction.

This is how I did it on live (I was too afraid of the consequences of "cheating" to repeat steps), in the Velious era. I "cheated" here on P99 by repeating steps, but if you can't do the turn-in after completing every step once, something is broken.

[Kender]

I did my shaman epic on life. didn't skip any steps, and certainly didn't grind faction. no steps had to be repeated.

[nilbog]

You should be able to do every step of the quest and then finish with your scale turn in.

Fixed, pending update.

You also have points in the quest where you can complete the previous step, and then you can't complete the next step. For instance I turned in the black dire pelt, received my boots, then couldn't turn in the book for the next step.This should be fixed after next patch. With the faction changes made, shaman should be at kindly after the boot turn in, allowing for the report to be completed.



To verify everything will be correct, are these the only faction-producing steps in the quest chain for TrueSpirit? If there are any more, will need to know.

-bondl
-ooglyn
-wandering spirit test of wisdom
-wandering spirit shield of falsehood
-spirit sentinel test of might
-spirit sentinel boots
-spirit sentinel report
-spirit sentinel ghiosk
-high scale kirn
-neh`ashiir
-spirit sentinel diary

[nilbog]

To verify everything will be correct, are these the only faction-producing steps in the quest chain for TrueSpirit? If there are any more, will need to know.

-bondl
-ooglyn
-wandering spirit test of wisdom
-wandering spirit shield of falsehood
-spirit sentinel test of might
-spirit sentinel boots
-spirit sentinel report
-spirit sentinel ghiosk
-high scale kirn
-neh`ashiir
-spirit sentinel diary

bump for this. Want to make sure it's 100% correct.

[Daldaen]

For shits and giggles I tested this out on live with new faction:


[Sun Jul 20 12:11:16 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Bondl
[Sat Jul 26 13:11:24 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Erud's Crossing
[Sat Jul 26 14:03:37 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Wandering Spirit
[Sat Jul 26 15:51:21 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Envy/Woe
[Sat Jul 26 15:55:05 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Spirit Sentinel (Sparkling Gem)
[Sat Jul 26 16:01:01 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Black Dire
[Sat Jul 26 16:18:17 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- CoM Reports
[Sat Jul 26 16:19:49 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- Lord Ghiosk Books
[Sat Jul 26 16:36:53 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- High Scale Icon Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:42:19 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 100. -- High Scale Kirn Ring Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:44:28 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit has been adjusted by 695. -- Neh'Ashiir Book Turnin
[Sat Jul 26 16:50:01 2014] Your faction standing with Truespirit could not possibly get any better. -- Bondl to max

^ Those are the faction hits live has currently for the quest. Interestingly everything is a +100 hit except Neh'Ashiir's turnin, which is 695.
I cut out the duplicates. Those are all the steps in the shaman epic (per allakhazam guide) that I went through and did.

[mostbitter]

I cut out the duplicates. Those are all the steps in the shaman epic (per allakhazam guide) that I went through and did.

it def isn't working like that. I turned in something like 30+ gems to bondl, turned in multilple woe/envy multilple completed reports and 2x sets of the books from lord ghiosk

[Daldaen]

Nilbog was just asking which steps in the epic yielded a faction hit.

Those are the different steps that yield faction hits. I believe Nilbog will be retuning the amounts so that doing each step once gets you to max faction.

Skipping via doing 30 bondls may or may not give oyu max faction though.

[Commidus]

Any movement on fixing this? I have begun the quest and the Lesser Spirit is still Apprehensive (had to have him charmed to get the piece).

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

If you're high enough does shaman charm v animal work on him?

[Wrench]

If you're high enough does shaman charm v animal work on him?

almost positive the lesser spirit is not tagged as animal

perhaps summoned?

[Byrjun]

it def isn't working like that. I turned in something like 30+ gems to bondl, turned in multilple woe/envy multilple completed reports and 2x sets of the books from lord ghiosk

Like I mentioned earlier, I don't think it should work like that either. I don't know why Sony would change this stuff so many years after Kunark, but there's no way that everything was an equal +100 faction hit.

[Kender]

the quest on live was designed so that you only had to do each step once to complete it. that's why Nilbog is wanting the faction hit hand ins. so he can tune it to do this

Any movement on fixing this? I have begun the quest and the Lesser Spirit is still Apprehensive (had to have him charmed to get the piece).

He also stated that new shamans only will start on indifferent to true spirit. you'd either need to reroll after patch, or work the faction

[BlkCamel]

Even back in classic shaman were scared of not having enough faction. Yes you should have enough faction just completing the quest as is, but most shaman would do 5X woe+envy turns in to make sure since you get message faction cannot go any higher.

[Kender]

i didnt repeat anything on live and had no issue.

[Byrjun]

Even back in classic shaman were scared of not having enough faction. Yes you should have enough faction just completing the quest as is, but most shaman would do 5X woe+envy turns in to make sure since you get message faction cannot go any higher.

Those Shamans did the woe/envy turn ins to skip the annoying parts of the epic. Woe/envy was chosen on live because it was much more difficult to obtain the com pages than on P99 (courier should be much rarer).

[Purifyre]

Just wanted to post this - I was apprehensive to Truespirit when i started, got the spirit charmed, did the Bondl turn in and when I went back down to the spirit in Rathe Mountains I was still apprehensive. Got him charmed again, did Bondl, still apprehensive. So I stopped trying til I found out of things were going to be fixed. In my mind I just wasn't actually gaining faction with the turn ins, just the message saying I was, but who knows..

Anyways - I went down today, killed Bindle, spirit popped, and I am indifferent! So my thought is that the latest patch somehow fixed my faction, or the faction raises i did actually got applied. I did the Bondl turn in again just to be sure and I was able to do the Woe/Envy/Marr turn in as well and I got my shield! Now to try and get the black fur booties....

[zanderklocke]

Just wanted to post this - I was apprehensive to Truespirit when i started, got the spirit charmed, did the Bondl turn in and when I went back down to the spirit in Rathe Mountains I was still apprehensive. Got him charmed again, did Bondl, still apprehensive. So I stopped trying til I found out of things were going to be fixed. In my mind I just wasn't actually gaining faction with the turn ins, just the message saying I was, but who knows..

Anyways - I went down today, killed Bindle, spirit popped, and I am indifferent! So my thought is that the latest patch somehow fixed my faction, or the faction raises i did actually got applied. I did the Bondl turn in again just to be sure and I was able to do the Woe/Envy/Marr turn in as well and I got my shield! Now to try and get the black fur booties....

Yeah they fixed shaman faction with latest patch. FYI, you do not get faction for doing turn ins when a mob is charmed.

[Daldaen]

Yea you just had to charm them to say the text trigger to get a Gem. Then the gem was turned in to a non-charmed Bondl.

[Purifyre]

yeah Bondl was never charmed so those previous faction raises should have worked - I should have added that I read that the latest patch fixed the faction but I think it was only for newly created shamans, but in my case it fixed for a pre-existing shaman. Either way I'm happy :)

[Droog007]

i didnt repeat anything on live and had no issue.

Same memory here. I did all steps exactly once, skipped nothing, never had to have something charmed - and got my spear.

[nilbog]

Same memory here. I did all steps exactly once, skipped nothing, never had to have something charmed - and got my spear.

This is how it should be working now.

[Latege]

Ok, I don't know what is up with the faction on this quest. I have never done it before so I will just list what steps I have done/repeated and maybe someone can chime in, because I think I've done way too much and still am not maxed.

First I did the quest in order:

Bondl x1
Erud's Crossing x1
Wandering Spirit x1
Envy/Woe/Marr x1
Sparkling Gem x1

I stopped here to just start repeating, and get enough faction for some report turn ins as well. I did:

Bondl x5
Envy/Woe/Marr x15
Sparkling Gem x3
CoM Reports x2

It only took me those steps of the quest line, 3-4 Envy's and 2 CoM reports to get warmly. All the rest was turned in after I reached warmly and I'm still not maxed. But it's previous obvious something is weird faction wise with the Envy part, so maybe someone can look into that?

EDIT: Maxed it, 7 more Bondl turn ins, then 8th one couldn't get any better.

[nilbog]

I just went through this quest again to make sure..

indifferent
bondl gem
ooglyn gem
wandering spirit gem
wandering spirit shield
spirit sentinel gem
spirit sentinel pelt
spirit sentinel report
spirit sentinel books
high scale kirn icon
neh ashirr diary
lord rakashir tear
scale
couldn't get better

In order, only once, and received the spear.

[Man0warr]

Kirn is probably a lot of faction, and that's what people try to skip.

[Latege]

I think we can extrapolate from my turn ins and what's on the wiki that Bondl is worth 25 points of faction, and the Envy step is worth 75. For the other steps I did there's a lot of possibilities that could fit, but it's all between 25-100 most likely.

The real question is where did you pull 25 for Bondl and 75 for Envy as being the correct values from? This all assumes 2000 faction needed btw so that could be different here too. There's also the possibility that the two report turn ins are worth much more and Envy is only worth 50 but yea