Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[thieros]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159065

[TMOcheerleader]

let the spin begin

[falkun]

BDA raid suspension: First response is GL apologizing for breaking the rules.
TMO raid suspension: First response is GL in spin-mode.

[Detoxx]

BDA raid suspension: First response is GL apologizing for breaking the rules.
TMO raid suspension: First response is GL in spin-mode.

Knows nothing about what happened, pretends to know what happened.

[Hitpoint]

TLDR: IB trains themselves at zone in to VP. Petitions without telling TMO. TMO gets banned two months later after we've deleted all our old frap so there's no way to even fight it. Smart.

[Locust]

Knows nothing about what happened, pretends to know what happened.

this sums up RnF and generally why it's great

[Detoxx]

It was pretty funny, I'm pretty sure this is when we had a shit show and we all got multiple dragons to zone in and they didnt camp like scrubs, and then blamed us lol. Gotta get em anyway you can I guess.

[Shinko]

I expect an IB Suspension coming up soon if they are only on may 14th

VP is going to be OPEN step up CLASS R guilds

[Detoxx]

All good tho, we can just focus on the FFA targets more! Sorry class R, you're friendly IB fucked you!

[arsenalpow]

Because TMO wasn't chasing FFA targets before...

[Detoxx]

Because TMO wasn't chasing FFA targets before...

yea we were, but now they have our undivided attention and we don't have our mains stuck in VP!

[Alarti0001]

LOL I love getsome's post, edited out all the pertinent stuff.

[Troubled]

Most raid suspended guild.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

TLDR: IB trains themselves at zone in to VP. Petitions without telling TMO. TMO gets banned two months later after we've deleted all our old frap so there's no way to even fight it. Smart.

Smart, but gonna be hell for GM's!
WELCOME BACK PETITION WAR!
Fuck working anything out when you can get suspensions from behind the curtains.

[falkun]

So why was AG's all-raid suspension while TMO's is VP only?

[Detoxx]

So IB pulled Xygoz, and we had Hoshkar. They pulled Xygoz through Hoshkar and didnt camp their agro when they killed Xygoz and got smoked. Good to know that we can get them suspended for being retarded and not knowing to camp agro lol

[Hitpoint]

Smart, but gonna be hell for GM's!
WELCOME BACK PETITION WAR!
Fuck working anything out when you can get suspensions from behind the curtains.

I don't think it will hold up. Someone will have an old fraps or logs.

[Alarti0001]

I don't think it will hold up. Someone will have an old fraps or logs.

Only way it will hold up is the whole... GM's too busy to look at this scenario.

[doyoueventrainbro]

Hey TMO, do you even train bros???

[Detoxx]

Hey IB, do you even know how to camp bros???

[|3igHurb]

lol all you losers play blue

[Alarti0001]

I love how the only times TMO gets raid suspended is when we aren't talked to about a situation and allowed to bring forth our evidence. We have clear evidence showing IB at fault for their train.

[mefdinkins]

which one of tiggle's nipples is wider? left or right?

[Alarti0001]

which one of tiggle's nipples is wider? left or right?

lower right, he has a third nip.

[Samoht]

I love how the only times TMO gets raid suspended is when we aren't talked to about a situation and allowed to bring forth our evidence. We have clear evidence showing IB at fault for their train.

Logs indicate otherwise. Looks like Getsome contacted Dumbrella and got ignored. They promptly submitted their petition.

[Alarti0001]

Logs indicate otherwise. Looks like Getsome contacted Dumbrella and got ignored. They promptly submitted their petition.

Derp... TMO only talks shop with Hokushin.... Derp
Mostly because Getsome is erratic and is known for editing logs.

[Shinko]

Silverwing
Nexona
Phara Dar
Druushk
Xygoz
Hoshkar

open to any class C guild, Will train how to pull to zone in, with no adds, class C only raids 1 day a week, it's not hard more loot them class R

[Samoht]

Derp... TMO only talks shop with Hokushin.... Derp
Mostly because Getsome is erratic and is known for editing logs.

Derp. I'm not the derp that got raid suspended over it. Derp.

[Alarti0001]

Derp. I'm not the derp that got raid suspended over it. Derp.

Just the derp who commented on it without knowledge. Tell me what action I took to get suspended. You are pretty stupid eh?

[Samoht]

Tell me what action I took to get suspended.

You might have been there. Might not have been. Your suspension is not my problem, shrug.

You are pretty stupid eh?

Smart enough not to be associated with egotistical assholes such as yourself or Sausagefingers.

Now go train someone else to steal their loot.

[Alarti0001]

You might have been there. Might not have been. Your suspension is not my problem, shrug.



Smart enough not to be associated with egotistical assholes such as yourself or Sausagefingers.

Now go train someone else to steal their loot.

So basically you are clueless. Thanks for clarifying.

[Glenzig]

Why are people so mad at a guild that just got suspended? Shouldn't that make you happy?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Why are people so mad at a guild that just got suspended? Shouldn't that make you happy?

Blood in the water.

[Samoht]

So basically you are clueless. Thanks for clarifying.

And you won't be in VP again until after Aug. 1. Loser.

[Clasick]

Well if TMO refused to talk to IB's guild leader to resolve it's really on them. Just because TMO has a hardon for Getsome and ignores his efforts to resolve the issue does not mean no effort was made.

You guys have no one to blame but yourselfs for not trying to work it out with the GL. As it stands you guys clearly have no interest in working things out or it would have been discussed with IB and TMO leadership
Grow the fuck up and work your shit to avoid the CSR involvement in the first place. You don't always get to pick and choose who you deal with from an opposing guild.

TMO
Go ahead and post your logs trying to resolve the situation
Enjoy you VP suspension, get out and enjoy the sun !

<3

[Heebo]

You guys have no one to blame but yourselfs for not trying to work it out with the GL.

Terrible spelling or EQ pun?

[Daldolma]

alarti on brink of tears, pls give him some space

[Alarti0001]

And you won't be in VP again until after Aug. 1. Loser.

We will see !!! But ouch you stung me with an in game comment, that doesn't reflect on me at all. Continue being hopelessly stupid.

[Alarti0001]

alarti on brink of tears, pls give him some space

You're a fat nerd.

[Rellapse40]

Breaking News 100th Raid Suspension for TMO

[Rellapse40]

Breakin News Lillyanna is better than any member of Tmo. Fat nerds and mexicans and gay navy boys gets out played by a yellow toothed brit drinking wine guzzling woman

[Samoht]

We will see !!! But ouch you stung me with an in game comment, that doesn't reflect on me at all. Continue being hopelessly stupid.

Now if that's not the pot calling the kettle black...

After all of the lies you make up about other players and pretend to have insight into their lives, you choose to call someone out on saying something that you don't believe reflects on you as a person.

You see, after all of your useless posts on P99 forums and your in-game "accomplishments" we have undeniable proof that you're a loser.

However, you've been wholly unable to prove *anyone* as stupid or clueless.

You really should learn to choose your battles better.

[doyoueventrainbro]

Holy shit! Alarti is about to fucking cry I think he is so butthurt about this.

Keep the tears in, big guy.

[Alarti0001]

Now if that's not the pot calling the kettle black...

After all of the lies you make up about other players and pretend to have insight into their lives, you choose to call someone out on saying something that you don't believe reflects on you as a person.

You see, after all of your useless posts on P99 forums and your in-game "accomplishments" we have undeniable proof that you're a loser.

However, you've been wholly unable to prove *anyone* as stupid or clueless.

You really should learn to choose your battles better.

What lies that I make up about others.?

[Alarti0001]

Holy shit! Alarti is about to fucking cry I think he is so butthurt about this.

Keep the tears in, big guy.

You lost me when you claimed to think :P

[Samoht]

What lies that I make up about others.?

One is even quoted in that post.

[doyoueventrainbro]

so.
fucking.
butt.
hurt.

[Alarti0001]

One is even quoted in that post.

What that you are stupid? Stupid is an opinion based accusation. It is an informed accusation based on my observations of how you form conclusions (stupidly). It's also not a lie... I do think that you are stupid. Of course you could just be misfiring while trolling who knows. However, you just seem stupid. Correct my opinion if you aren't start using proper reasoning skills.

[Rellapse40]

10 yrs later alarti still single

still answering phones

still sucking at elf eq

still crying all over rnf

still thinks about all the dicks he sucked in the navy

[Alarti0001]

10 yrs later alarti still single

still answering phones

still sucking at elf eq

still crying all over rnf

still thinks about all the dicks he sucked in the navy

LOL...Rellapse....smh

[Detoxx]

Rellapse your opiates are calling, answer them

[Ele]

this is how the rest of blue99/red99 view you fucking faggot guilds having autism over spawns and having a GM intervene.

http://i.imgur.com/XZ47fXH.gif

oh gyno!

http://i.imgur.com/b8v4BZE.gif

[Samoht]

What that you are stupid? Stupid is an opinion based accusation. It is an informed accusation based on my observations of how you form conclusions (stupidly). It's also not a lie... I do think that you are stupid. Of course you could just be misfiring while trolling who knows. However, you just seem stupid. Correct my opinion if you aren't start using proper reasoning skills.

If stupid were an opinion (hint: it's not), why do you keep trying to hopelessly prove it as a fact?

Wow, you're dumb. See? I just proved it.

Oh, and quit derailing the thread. This thread is about how stupid TMO is for training for pixels.

[khanable]

Damn, from may 14th?

blast from the damn past

[Lazie]

TLDR: IB trains themselves at zone in to VP. Petitions without telling TMO. TMO gets banned two months later after we've deleted all our old frap so there's no way to even fight it. Smart.

Pretty much it. I remember this. IB didn't clear their aggro on a pull they made. They killed a Dragon and then a ton of aggro came to zone in from their pull and killed them. How we are getting blamed for this I have no clue. They pulled the dragon and killed it and didn't camp after.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti even acts like he is holding a cock while taking pictures for dating profiles



rellapse you have a tiny dick, very weirdly shaped also.

[Rellapse40]

keep dreaming navy boy

[Pint]

TLDR: IB trains themselves at zone in to VP. Petitions without telling TMO. TMO gets banned two months later after we've deleted all our old frap so there's no way to even fight it. Smart.

Tbh this rendition is even more satisfying then the truth.

[Alarti0001]

keep dreaming navy boy

Speaking of dreams you have have my picture for about 2 years now. How often do you fap to it?

[Detoxx]

Pretty much it. I remember this. IB didn't clear their aggro on a pull they made. They killed a Dragon and then a ton of aggro came to zone in from their pull and killed them. How we are getting blamed for this I have no clue. They pulled the dragon and killed it and didn't camp after.

Its pretty simple why were getting blamed. They clearly have no idea wtf is going on and how dragon/trash assisting works. It took em months to figure out how we pulled In vp before, so give them some time and free mobs. They need it after getting smoked for the last few weeks.

[Alarti0001]

Its pretty simple why were getting blamed. They clearly have no idea wtf is going on and how dragon/trash assisting works. It took em months to figure out how we pulled In vp before, so give them some time and free mobs. They need it after getting smoked for the last few weeks.

Pretty much their puller had aggro on hosh. They didn't train up mobs and their puller didn't FD or /q to clear aggro. Obv tmo's fault.

[Alarti0001]

10 yrs later alarti still single

still answering phones

still sucking at elf eq

still crying all over rnf

still thinks about all the dicks he sucked in the navy

10 years later Rellapse on his 40th account

still unemployed

still in and out of jail

still addicted to opiates/meth

still fantascizing about me sucking dick

still posting his spank bank which includes pics of me

still posting on an elf sim forum he doesn't play

How'd I do?

[Rellapse40]

Alarti why did that fat tmo chick u were e stalking quit talking to u?

she find out u like little boys?

[Rellapse36]

40th account


nawww

[Alarti0001]

she find out u like little boys?

Is this a reference to your little dick you drew on my picture? Rellapse... I never will be attracted to you. Sorry even if I was ever to go gay it would be for someone with all of his teeth.

[Orruar]

And you won't be in VP again until after Aug. 1. Loser.

You have an interesting definition of what a loser is.

[Pint]

What that you are stupid? Stupid is an opinion based accusation. It is an informed accusation based on my observations of how you form conclusions (stupidly). It's also not a lie... I do think that you are stupid. Of course you could just be misfiring while trolling who knows. However, you just seem stupid. Correct my opinion if you aren't start using proper reasoning skills.

You're fucking awful, I thought you had packed your bags and finally given up posting garbage like this.

[Alarti0001]

when this big ol gal turns u down



shit must b hard

its ok to be gay tho

Lol zeelot was after her. Not me.

[Alarti0001]

You're fucking awful, I thought you had packed your bags and finally given up posting garbage like this.

I'm not here to entertain.. that is tiggles. I'm just here to argue(with logic). Basically, I entertain myself so fuck you :)

[Rellapse40]

keeps getting turned down by elf women

has to entertain himself

#yolo

[Rellapse40]

ps i put a updated pic of you i found in my sig

[Alarti0001]

ps i put a updated pic of you i found in my sig

you're boring :(

[Rellapse40]

you're a cunt

[Dragonsblood1987]

My prayers go out to all you poor TMO victims. We know you are incapable of doing wrong and it's always some other guilds fault. In time, this too shall pass. Please don't kill yourselves. The suspension is unjust as always (seriously. Why are you guys always getting victimized? You're like Jews or something) but it's only temporary.

[Vyal]

My prayers go out to all you poor TMO victims. We know you are incapable of doing wrong and it's always some other guilds fault. In time, this too shall pass. Please don't kill yourselves. The suspension is unjust as always (seriously. Why are you guys always getting victimized? You're like Jews or something) but it's only temporary.

Why always so racist?

[Aviann]

So much crying, so much anguish.

[Lazie]

It's just retarded overall. "The fraps cold war is over guys". IB trains themselves from social aggro on their pull and we get blamed because they were inept and got themselves killed by not camping their aggro....2 months later no less. I guess the Fraps cold war is back on ??

[Rellapse40]

shut up lazie

[Aviann]

It's just retarded overall. "The fraps cold war is over guys". IB trains themselves from social aggro on their pull and we get blamed because they were inept and got themselves killed by not camping their aggro....2 months later no less. I guess the Fraps cold war is back on ??

I remember when you weren't TMO. You were a part of that guild meant to overthrow them.

http://lastshredsofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/backstabber.jpg

[Frogie305]

Suspension From MAY 14th, Fraps cold war < LOL !! TMO SCUM !

[Daldolma]

keeps getting turned down by elf women

has to entertain himself

#yolo

entertaining himself is what alarti calls virginity

nobody else entertains poor alarti

[pufen]

this shit is all kinds of retarded.

[Detoxx]

Hey did u guys ever wonder why training in vp was legit for 2 years? Shits bound to happen there. I guess if people dont understand the mechanics or how to /q agro or when to tell your raid to camp...this is what you get.

[Clark]

TLDR: IB trains themselves at zone in to VP. Petitions without telling TMO. TMO gets banned two months later after we've deleted all our old frap so there's no way to even fight it. Smart.
One of the most embarrassing AND late as fuck rulings by a GM. How is something from may or june even viable its nearly August.

[Clark]

Also what about IB dragging racnars through one of our engages yesterday. Can we get some GMs to invis stalk some raids and do job.

[Daldolma]

this is sirken's attempt at getting you hippos into the sunlight before the winter solstice

pras sirken

[Alarti0001]

I remember when you weren't TMO. You were a part of that guild meant to overthrow them.



I remember when you... wait who the fuck are you?

[pufen]

Also what about IB dragging racnars through one of our engages yesterday. Can we get some GMs to invis stalk some raids and do job.

They shouldn't even have to do any sort of job. There was nothing to do here in this instance either. Bunch of idiots that don't get how shit works in VP come in here crying for punishment when it was IB ignoring shit going on and being scrub that got themselves killed. ANd then we are expected to have fraps of the shit when it happened May 14th.


tldr; this is all a fuckin joke.

[Swifty]

BDA desperately trying to stay relevant, if they ever were.

[Sidelle]

when this big ol gal turns u down

http://i59.tinypic.com/2mycj2x.jpg

shit must b hard

its ok to be gay tho

She's prettier than you could ever get irl, Rellapse. You inbred hillbilly foot stomping while playing the banjo on your decrepit porch mothafucka.

You know I'm right.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fe33c326bad9270ed7a76e05bc106ee7/tumblr_mltsl5VbPX1rm6nzzo1_250.gif

[Lazie]

I remember when you weren't TMO. You were a part of that guild meant to overthrow them.

http://lastshredsofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/backstabber.jpg

You never saw me try to blame them for something we caused when we were raiding against each other. I'm all for suspensions when we do something wrong. I am the first in vent to yell we need to concede a mob when we fuck up. This was not our fuck up. It was IB's.

[Rellapse40]

she def is prettier than u

but i still would not do her

[Sidelle]

she def is prettier than u

but i still would not do her

Lol. You are so full of shit. Better make a trip to the outhouse and take care of that.

[Clark]

this is how the rest of blue99/red99 view you fucking faggot guilds having autism over spawns and having a GM intervene.

http://i.imgur.com/XZ47fXH.gif

Lol

[Rellapse40]

your husband will not even have sex with u

wash that cooter thang prob stinkin up the joint

u feels

[Artaenc]

when this big ol gal turns u down


shit must b hard

its ok to be gay tho

Kind of jacked up you posted Jaed's Pic here, why are you not banned yet for posting RL pics?

[Rellapse40]

http://ilawled.com/images/13128-Internet-White-Knight/fitted.jpg?1348981349

[Detoxx]

your husband will not even have sex with u

wash that cooter thang prob stinkin up the joint

u feels

Have you ever had sex that didnt involve relatives?

Prob not

U feels

[Sidelle]

Weak & pathetic standard backup answer when a woman sasses you.

Pity reply.

Sorry for derail. Im done here. It smells like Rellapses outhouse now.

[Rellapse40]

my shit dont stink

[Zaela]

is all guild drama on p99 this lame?

was hopin for some death threats, site DDoS'n, account hackin, char deletin, or some overly elaborate and obsessive vitriol at the very least

instead i get three pages of two guys calling each other stupid. wow.

[Alarti0001]

is all guild drama on p99 this lame?

was hopin for some death threats, site DDoS'n, account hackin, char deletin, or some overly elaborate and obsessive vitriol at the very least

instead i get three pages of two guys calling each other stupid. wow.

IB's not allowed to post in RnF anymore.

[Danyelle]

is all guild drama on p99 this lame?

was hopin for some death threats, site DDoS'n, account hackin, char deletin, or some overly elaborate and obsessive vitriol at the very least

instead i get three pages of two guys calling each other stupid. wow.

P99 RnF pretty much boils down to:

"You so gay!" - BDA
"No you so gay!" - TMO

Part of the charm.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Why always so racist?

it isnt racist if its true. jews have been playing the victim after fucking shit up since people started keeping historical records.

[Fael]

Sirken says:

Server: Blue
Spawned: Wed May 14, 2014; 11:15:40
Engaged: Wed May 14, 2014; 12:40:24
Death: Wed May 14, 2014; 12:44:43
Duration: 4 Minutes, 19 Seconds. (259 Seconds)

(before anyone goes full retard about the date, this petition was submitted within 24hrs of the incident)
---------
[Wed May 14 12:25:09 2014] You told unbrella, 'you guys gonna forfeit something for the hosh+druushk train?'
.
[Wed May 14 12:35:20 2014] You told Unbrella, 'i will be gathering the fraps and the logs. take care'
[Wed May 14 12:35:40 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'Alright, I'll do the same. Sorry it came to that'

-----------

So, just so I have this correctly. There is a full repop in VP, with both guilds at the zone line and both guilds attempting to pull dragons to the zone line at the same time.

IB killed a dragon. Afterward, IB was killed by hoshkar, allegedly by a TMO train of hoshkar to the zone line. TMO kills druushk at 12:44. Ten minutes before TMO kills druushk, in real time, Getsome demands giving up "something."

Unbrella disputes his claim. And does not give up the mob. Nothing is said of this for two months. Getsome and IB send in fraps 24 hours.

Even assuming somehow IB was actually trained "intentionally" by someone in TMO, how the hell does that comport with this new regime that the GM's have implemented, where "all guilds need to try to work out their own issues before contacting staff?"

So apparently we are to negotiate and gather the evidence and make an assessment in 10 minutes, when it is a case of no clear evidence of fault? This is a bizarre decision on Sirken's part, and flies in the face of everything they have been trying to do with guilds working it out among themselves.

The only thing this does is encourage frap wars and petition fest. Congrats sirken.


Dolic

[Lazie]

Well stay tuned is all I will say.

[Rellapse40]

http://noteasytoforget.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/staytuned.png

[Picks]

unbrella is a fuck?

[Adnan]

You're a fat nerd.

ROFL GOOD ONE BRO

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/XZ47fXH.gif

funny shit

[Alarti0001]

ROFL GOOD ONE BRO

Lol go look at the person I quoted post history. Thanks!

[Ella`Ella]

unbrella is a fuck?

The only person that has any credibility from that FE bunch is Unbrella, because he's ruthless and he'll do whatever it takes to win. The rest of you shits just ride his nuts and reap the benefits of his politics.

[pufen]

If we put all you fat nerds bickering aside, this suspension is totally unwarranted. It never was brought up as an issue, happened months ago, and is due to the negligence of IB to heed warnings given to them by our members that the train (not our fault) was on them and they didn't camp out due to non-knowinghowtoplaythegame.

[quido]

IB rules TMO drools

[Tasslehofp99]

so, now any time opposing pullers mob's cross paths whoever clears their aggro first gets suspended? This is why pulling dragons from their lair never should have been allowed.

Also, next time IB pulls mobs over our pull and we don't camp out(knowing their train is inc to us)...will they be suspended in the same fashion? Not that we would be big enough idiots to stay in game following a VP kill.

Just make it so that dragons are rooted to their lair or outlaw pulling dragons across the zone. Problem solved, that way when a mob spawns, first guild there wins. No reason to even risk training eachother with intersecting pull aggro.

This is honestly a whole new level of stupidity if we are to be responsible for another guild clearing their aggro after they pull a dragon through our guild's pull attempt. If this is the case I will do my best to gain aggro on every IB pull and not clear aggro afterwards.

[Gaffin 7.0]

This is honestly a whole new level of stupidity if we are to be responsible

[Nips]

Why do ppl even kill druushk? His loots are such poop

[Visual]

Holy statute of limitations, May 14th? You doin us dirty Fonzo!

[Mezzmur]

so, now any time opposing pullers mob's cross paths whoever clears their aggro first gets suspended? This is why pulling dragons from their lair never should have been allowed.

Also, next time IB pulls mobs over our pull and we don't camp out(knowing their train is inc to us)...will they be suspended in the same fashion? Not that we would be big enough idiots to stay in game following a VP kill.

Just make it so that dragons are rooted to their lair or outlaw pulling dragons across the zone. Problem solved, that way when a mob spawns, first guild there wins. No reason to even risk training eachother with intersecting pull aggro.

This is honestly a whole new level of stupidity if we are to be responsible for another guild clearing their aggro after they pull a dragon through our guild's pull attempt. If this is the case I will do my best to gain aggro on every IB pull and not clear aggro afterwards.

Hokushin trained SW, Druushk, and Hoshkar on me at the same time. 2 month suspension inc.

[Herp]

Well stay tuned is all I will say.

For you to FTE a mob and die?

Won't have to wait long on that.

I heard IB actually had a strategy of letting you FTE PD because they knew you would die and it worked.

Confirm/deny?

[Lazie]

For you to FTE a mob and die?

Won't have to wait long on that.

I heard IB actually had a strategy of letting you FTE PD because they knew you would die and it worked.

Confirm/deny?

Deny.

[Hitpoint]

For you to FTE a mob and die?

Won't have to wait long on that.

I heard IB actually had a strategy of letting you FTE PD because they knew you would die and it worked.

Confirm/deny?

Deny. IB gambled that PDs stun would go off before our puller clicked his DA idol. It paid off, but it wasn't Lazie FTEing. It could have just as easily been a free PD if she didn't aoe instantly upon spawning, which is not typical.

[Lazie]

I did die getting a FTE on Silverwing 2 weeks ago though. Surprised me and Hokushin both that I got the FTE because he was 3 seconds ahead of me on the run up.

[Detoxx]

Why do ppl even kill druushk? His loots are such poop

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/9/b/9bf74dab39076a8ba825aa9910ace784.png

[Cecily]

Pretty much the only reason besides necro staff, which is amazing too.

[captnamazing]

pras anakarias

[Argh]

TMO pissed in my Cheerios, I expect compensation in the form of Captain Crunch or higher.

[Wildino]

http://s24.postimg.org/62qccj0h1/tmokfc.jpg

[Godefroi]

For you to FTE a mob and die?

Won't have to wait long on that.

I heard IB actually had a strategy of letting you FTE PD because they knew you would die and it worked.

Confirm/deny?

Worked super well, TMO killed the last 3 PDs lol

pras

[TMO so immersed]

TMO circle jerk squad.... ASSEMBLE!!!

[Lazie]

Worked super well, TMO killed the last 3 PDs lol

pras

Last 4.

[Torino]

Yeah great idea, lets key up for it class R guilds!

Oh wait...
Trak..

Nm

[doyoueventrainbro]

Lol @ TMO bragging about getting dragons after they bitch and get rules changed to help their zergfest.

Pussies too scared to engage Hosh with less than 60, though.

Worst part about this TMO suspension? Gotta listen to these butthurt TMO forum kids all week.

[Cecily]

Je ne parle pas torture.

[Danyelle]

http://i.imgur.com/pUq85Gg.jpg

[kenzar]

It's just a VP suspension. The way you guys are reacting you'd think your guild just got disbanded or something.

[phrantique]

Lol @ TMO bragging about getting dragons after they bitch and get rules changed to help their zergfest.

Pussies too scared to engage Hosh with less than 60, though.

Worst part about this TMO suspension? Gotta listen to these butthurt TMO forum kids all week.

Best part is: you get a chance of getting more than 2/6 kills in VP.. wanna see it before I believe it though. :)

[Dragonsblood1987]

so which one of you TMO turds was spamming EC and the forums after you got raid suspended? kinda obvious you guys have nothing better to do than pout about getting called on your bullshit

[Detoxx]

Lol @ TMO bragging about getting dragons after they bitch and get rules changed to help their zergfest.

Pussies too scared to engage Hosh with less than 60, though.

Worst part about this TMO suspension? Gotta listen to these butthurt TMO forum kids all week.

So you want to go back to jav spamming so you actually got a shot again using autofire? Cause lets be honest, we can see this racing thing that actually takes skill...you guys are quite lacking.

[Dragonsblood1987]

It's just a VP suspension. The way you guys are reacting you'd think your guild just got disbanded or something.

Kinda curious why they only got a vp suspension and not a raid suspension in general like any other guild would. I guess those rmt payoffs can only buy you so much these days

[Detoxx]

Kinda curious why they only got a vp suspension and not a raid suspension in general like any other guild would. I guess those rmt payoffs can only buy you so much these days

Dem marshmallows doe

[Swifty]

Kinda curious why they only got a vp suspension and not a raid suspension in general like any other guild would. I guess those rmt payoffs can only buy you so much these days

Because "any other guild" is not in VP, and it is therefor not possible to differentiate between VP content, and non-VP content.

[captain]

So you want to go back to jav spamming so you actually got a shot again using autofire? Cause lets be honest, we can see this racing thing that actually takes skill...you guys are quite lacking.

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

[Ashkari]

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

The fuck is this. Get off my profile pic, dick.

[Hitpoint]

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

As oppose to IB's elite crew that wipes to CT, Vox, and Trakanon every single week. Good thing BDA was there to clean up VS last week after you wiped. What did you guys get CT to on Tuesday? 80%? 70%? It wasn't close. Same thing with Trak. Keep bragging about spending 100k in potions and clickies for every Hosh kill though, we're all real impressed.

[Swifty]

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/51/517209/athlete-pointing-to-the-sky-gets-track-team-d-L-lSeHep.jpeg

[Detoxx]

As oppose to IB's elite crew that wipes to CT, Vox, and Trakanon every single week. Good thing BDA was there to clean up VS last week after you wiped. What did you guys get CT to on Tuesday? 80%? 70%? It wasn't close. Same thing with Trak. Keep bragging about spending 100k in potions and clickies for every Hosh kill though, we're all real impressed.

It is pretty funny to watch them try and fake us out on fte for CT then fail miserably and get forced into doing a CT with kites at the firewall. Pro-style boys. Dont worry...you dont actually have to race us in vp this week so enjoy those free pixels.

Wonder how long we got with this legit fte race in VP before they cry/cheat and get it back to spamming fte so they can autofire. Only time will tell...

[Hitpoint]

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

It's a nice fiction to pretend that TMO needs those numbers to pull dragons. We use them because we have them, not because we need them.

We pulled PD with two pullers on the repop. One to move Hosh and SW, and one to bring PD. Has IB done that ever? You can't even pull Balcony mobs past Hosh and SW on repops. When you try, you train yourselves with Hosh and Druushk and blame it on us.

Yea we had a ton of people at the PD starting line. I think we always will, because TMO's members are more dedicated and hardworking. We have tons of non pullers who would rather log in monk that they have access to, so they can try to help with a pull. Rather than stand at the zone in waiting for one of the easiest dragons in the game to walk into camp.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It's a nice fiction to pretend that TMO needs those numbers to pull dragons. We use them because we have them, not because we need them.

We pulled PD with two pullers on the repop. One to move Hosh and SW, and one to bring PD. Has IB done that ever? You can't even pull Balcony mobs past Hosh and SW on repops. When you try, you train yourselves with Hosh and Druushk and blame it on us.

Yea we had a ton of people at the PD starting line. I think we always will, because TMO's members are more dedicated and hardworking. We have tons of non pullers who would rather log in monk that they have access to, so they can try to help with a pull. Rather than stand at the zone in waiting for one of the easiest dragons in the game to walk into camp.

And don't forget the dedicated buffers :3

[Heebo]

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

Do your screenshots show Tortue dead at the first racnar in VP on that late window PD? Cuz mine does.

Btw which of our pullers died on the repop VP? Just curious.

[Hitpoint]

We had a number of people who don't even play pullers, just log in for the "fun" of being part of the PD foot race. You heard it here - join TMO if you like fun. Join IB if you like being one of 5 people who sit at their computer for 30 hours straight because you HAVE TO. While the rest of your guild is able to sleep and go outside, while waiting for a batphone.

[Hitpoint]

They logged in puller classes just to clarify. ^

[Heebo]

We had a number of people who don't even play pullers, just log in for the "fun" of being part of the PD foot race. You heard it here - join TMO if you like fun. Join IB if you like being one of 5 people who sit at their computer for 30 hours straight because you HAVE TO. While the rest of your guild is able to sleep and go outside, while waiting for a batphone.

I had to pull PD on my monk because hitpoint wants everyone to have fun but Yibz.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

They logged in puller classes just to clarify. ^

Imba almost made it to PD on Tuesday. I'm waiting on that warrior FTE man.

[Hitpoint]

Imba almost made it to PD on Tuesday. I'm waiting on that warrior FTE man.

He made it, just not first. Then he ran out to Nexona pad lol.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

He made it, just not first. Then he ran out to Nexona pad lol.

Yeah I'm saying made it for FTE. Think he was third :P Which isn't bad!

[Lazie]

You mean zerg force? Please fraps/screenshot VP after any dragon pull and you will see TMO bodies littering the ground after throwing countless lemmings to bring it in.

Actually BS. Don't believe your Hype mender. More IB pullers die or screw up on the run up than TMO pullers.

[Detoxx]

Actually BS. Don't believe your Hype mender. More IB pullers die or screw up on the run up than TMO pullers.

Wonder if they realize they have 1 person capable of pulling lol

[Lazie]

Wonder if they realize they have 1 person capable of pulling lol

Caleros is pretty good too besides Hokushin. Mizo is getting there on his monk. The rest really should focus on DPS.

[Antarctica]

As oppose to IB's elite crew that wipes to CT, Vox, and Trakanon every single week. Good thing BDA was there to clean up VS last week after you wiped. What did you guys get CT to on Tuesday? 80%? 70%? It wasn't close. Same thing with Trak. Keep bragging about spending 100k in potions and clickies for every Hosh kill though, we're all real impressed.

TMO wiped to CT on latest repop after losing Draco to Harmony. No one is impressed with a zerg force, Hitpoint. You weren't either, before you jumped ship and joined the enemy.

[Hitpoint]

TMO wiped to CT on latest repop after losing Draco to Harmony. No one is impressed with a zerg force, Hitpoint. You weren't either, before you jumped ship and joined the enemy.

I don't know who you are. But you're fucking idiot. Do you know the circumstances of that wipe? For starters, we let Harmony kill draco so it wouldn't affect our bag limit. We even pulled mobs out of the way so they could kill him faster.

We wiped to CT because there were three class R guilds at the zone in killing mobs that summon. Omni, Harmony, and Lord Bob. When we engaged CT and he agro'd the entire zone on us, our main tank got summoned TO WEST WALL. Our entire raid chased CT halfway across the zone meanwhile he's gathering the entire train. Then when our tank capped out, our second tank got summoned to west wall and we fucking chased CT across the rest of the zone. Know what % we wiped? 1%... We had literally the worst CT engage possible. Spending most of the time literally running after CT. And we still almost killed him. There's super clear fraps of it too. You'll probably never see it because you can hear out vent chat, but maybe someone will edit the audio so you can see how easily TMO can essentially kill CT three times over while IB can't even kill him once.

We didn't petition the class R's by the way. It's not their fault, no big deal. You can thank them for your uncontested Talendor kill though, maybe even your Nagafen kill, because we'd have killed one of them an hour before you, if we didn't wipe in fear.

[Lazie]

TMO wiped to CT on latest repop after losing Draco to Harmony. No one is impressed with a zerg force, Hitpoint. You weren't either, before you jumped ship and joined the enemy.

Uhm if we are going off what people wipe to... IB wiped to Xygoz(on a repop), Nexona, Trak (2 times), CT, Talendor, and VS (repop) all in the last 2 weeks. I probably am forgetting one or two as well.

[Hitpoint]

IB should stick to their no-RNF policy. You embarrass your own guild every time you post. It's too bad because I have no problem with 90% of IB. It's just the shit talkers who have no idea what they're talking about that makes your entire guild look bad.

[Detoxx]

Caleros is pretty good too besides Hokushin. Mizo is getting there on his monk. The rest really should focus on DPS.

Although that may be true, I very seldom see an fte message from anyone but hoku and if they do get it they either get charmed or due leading to yet another hoku fte or one of us picking it up

[Hitpoint]

The obsessive jabs at us all over your main news page come across as petty and low-class too. I'd rethink that, and how it comes across to others. Otherwise, I think you do a pretty good job giving credit where credit is due etc.

[Antarctica]

How mad are you right now, Hitpoint?

[Hitpoint]

How mad are you right now, Hitpoint?

I was probably about a 7 before. Not so much any more though. I wish I knew who I was talking to.

[Hastley]

30 year old men disputing 16 year old pixels. Lol. Get laid

[HeallunRumblebelly]

How mad are you right now, Hitpoint?

Having achieved the status of raid leader, Hitpoint is 24/7 rustled. It's just how things are for him now :3 Overall we had a good repop though. Got a crown, can't complain. I also won puppet strings! As for the suspension, that's between the officers I reckon. Will be nice to be able to play my main at raids for a bit.

[Lazie]

Having achieved the status of raid leader, Hitpoint is 24/7 rustled. It's just how things are for him now :3 Overall we had a good repop though. Got a crown, can't complain. I also won puppet strings! As for the suspension, that's between the officers I reckon. Will be nice to be able to play my main at raids for a bit.

Your mouth. Close it.

[Antarctica]

Having achieved the status of raid leader, Hitpoint is 24/7 rustled. It's just how things are for him now :3 Overall we had a good repop though. Got a crown, can't complain. I also won puppet strings! As for the suspension, that's between the officers I reckon. Will be nice to be able to play my main at raids for a bit.

Agreed, Heallun. See you in game, buddy.

[Fael]

If IB had any balls they would post the video of the supposed may 14 train in RNF. Now that a ridiculous decision has been made, they might as well show TMO for the trainers that were are....... im sure the entire community would like to see it.

Dolic

[Rais]

if we didn't wipe in fear.

That's all that really needs to be quoted!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Agreed, Heallun. See you in game, buddy.

But I have no idea who your character is :P

[Alarti0001]

The obsessive jabs at us all over your main news page come across as petty and low-class too. I'd rethink that, and how it comes across to others. Otherwise, I think you do a pretty good job giving credit where credit is due etc.

The funny thing about IB's main page is they actually talk about us more than themselves. Obsessive!

[Alarti0001]

That's all that really needs to be quoted!

Why are you using this account now brotos?

[Rais]

Because I have a petition in and I log in and check it. Split personality and such, I keep the two separated.

[quido]

Rais you need to settle down and find a nice shemale to call your own.

[Rais]

Thanks, I will keep your advisement close to heart.

[quido]

It's a dangerous game to be as single and desperate as you are at that age.

[Rais]

If you say so. You would have experience in that area, so thanks again for the information. So when I become single again I will live in fear of the outside world like you.

[Troubled]

Would you 2 just fuck already.

[LlogJammin]

TMO haters cling to the 5% gray area about us and treat it like gospel. Some of these points being brought up are flat out wrong and laughable. Then you call us virgin nerd neckbeards like half of you aren't the pot calling the kettle black. Being an insider has shed a lot of light on these subjects and it's very entertaining to see the overzealous hate because our leaders handle business and win the battles regularly. Inb4 who the fuck is you... Im here to fix deine cable mother fuckers

[Troubled]

TMO haters cling to the 5% gray area about us and treat it like gospel. Some of these points being brought up are flat out wrong and laughable. Then you call us virgin nerd neckbeards like half of you aren't the pot calling the kettle black. Being an insider has shed a lot of light on these subjects and it's very entertaining to see the overzealous hate because our leaders handle business and win the battles regularly. Inb4 who the fuck is you... Im here to fix deine cable mother fuckers

spin machine

[LlogJammin]

How in any way is that spin?

[Brujean]

Sirken says:

Server: Blue
Spawned: Wed May 14, 2014; 11:15:40
Engaged: Wed May 14, 2014; 12:40:24
Death: Wed May 14, 2014; 12:44:43
Duration: 4 Minutes, 19 Seconds. (259 Seconds)

(before anyone goes full retard about the date, this petition was submitted within 24hrs of the incident)
---------
[Wed May 14 12:25:09 2014] You told unbrella, 'you guys gonna forfeit something for the hosh+druushk train?'
.
[Wed May 14 12:35:20 2014] You told Unbrella, 'i will be gathering the fraps and the logs. take care'
[Wed May 14 12:35:40 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'Alright, I'll do the same. Sorry it came to that'

-----------

So, just so I have this correctly. There is a full repop in VP, with both guilds at the zone line and both guilds attempting to pull dragons to the zone line at the same time.

IB killed a dragon. Afterward, IB was killed by hoshkar, allegedly by a TMO train of hoshkar to the zone line. TMO kills druushk at 12:44. Ten minutes before TMO kills druushk, in real time, Getsome demands giving up "something."

Unbrella disputes his claim. And does not give up the mob. Nothing is said of this for two months. Getsome and IB send in fraps 24 hours.

Even assuming somehow IB was actually trained "intentionally" by someone in TMO, how the hell does that comport with this new regime that the GM's have implemented, where "all guilds need to try to work out their own issues before contacting staff?"

So apparently we are to negotiate and gather the evidence and make an assessment in 10 minutes, when it is a case of no clear evidence of fault? This is a bizarre decision on Sirken's part, and flies in the face of everything they have been trying to do with guilds working it out among themselves.

The only thing this does is encourage frap wars and petition fest. Congrats sirken.


Dolic

This is an astonishingly bad decision to suspend TMO from VP based on no substantial evidence, several weeks after the alleged incident, and it really brings the integrity of those behind such decisions under question.

Hopefully this motivates one of the Class-R guild to get into VP, because this suspension clearly wasn't intended to bring any sort of justice.

It's happened so often I can't even count the number of times I've had to camp out at zone in because someone in IB has trained mobs to the entrance.. or had to pop a DA early because someone in IB dropped a train on me during a pull...

What a joke.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

How in any way is that spin?

Is there a probleme mit deine Cable?

[Godefroi]

Sirk s a good lad, he prolly just briefly reviewed IB provided fraps and thought "meh lets suspend TMO over some shit so people stop calling us corrupt".

Sirken s still a top GM in my book

no beef

[LlogJammin]

Is there a probleme mit deine Cable?

That's why they sent me cause I am the expert

[Fael]

Sirk s a good lad, he prolly just briefly reviewed IB provided fraps and thought "meh lets suspend TMO over some shit so people stop calling us corrupt".
Sirken s still a top GM in my book
no beef

This is my assessment too. If there was any real evidence (there isn't), then we would have got a much larger ban that 5 days. Whatever, if GM's want to throw IB a bone in VP, then w/e. Hopefully this won't be a trend though.

Dolic

[Alarti0001]

This is my assessment too. If there was any real evidence (there isn't), then we would have got a much larger ban that 5 days. Whatever, if GM's want to throw IB a bone in VP, then w/e. Hopefully this won't be a trend though.

Dolic

The concerning part is we didn't get to argue our case because if we did IB would be suspended right now. Judgement then GM's go into hiding for 1 week.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The concerning part is we didn't get to argue our case because if we did IB would be suspended right now. Judgement then GM's go into hiding for 1 week.

It isn't tuesday yet. Have faith.

[Lazie]

The concerning part is we didn't get to argue our case because if we did IB would be suspended right now. Judgement then GM's go into hiding for 1 week.

+1

It will be interesting to see what the GM's decide after we present the facts of the event.

[Herp]

This is an astonishingly bad decision to suspend TMO from VP based on no substantial evidence

...you got to review the GM submitted videos that were hidden from public? No? Then how can you possibly say no substantial evidence?

[Hitpoint]

...you got to review the GM submitted videos that were hidden from public? No? Then how can you possibly say no substantial evidence?

We didn't actually, until after we were already suspended.

[Lazie]

We didn't actually, until after we were already suspended.

Biting my tongue so hard...

[Tiggles]

24 hour bans are no joke jeez.

TMO unsuspended yet?

[Alarti0001]

24 hour bans are no joke jeez.

TMO unsuspended yet?

Yep

[Frogie305]

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/jimifunguzz/jimmies-rustled-gif.gif

[Rais]

I still like the idea of any raid petition/bitch be posted in the raid section so everyone can see both sides. Gives clarity and removes any doubt as to what proof was really submitted and how much of an offense it really was.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I still like the idea of any raid petition/bitch be posted in the raid section so everyone can see both sides. Gives clarity and removes any doubt as to what proof was really submitted and how much of an offense it really was.

Together we can make civil procedure sexy again: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1553246&postcount=399

Also, Sexy Civil Procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgObo75Y0Q

[Nineran]

Do what Xasten says, immediately. :)

Very good post Xasten.

[Funkutron5000]

Together we can make civil procedure sexy again: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1553246&postcount=399

Also, Sexy Civil Procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgObo75Y0Q

I was thinking this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEDeVp5A4o

[wycca]

Hopefully this motivates one of the Class-R guild to get into VP, because this suspension clearly wasn't intended to bring any sort of justice.


The only way for an R guild in the rotation (ie all of them) to be able to get into VP lies through FFA Traks. The rotation itself effectively spreads out Teeth so much that its impossible for any guild to achieve enough teeth to get into VP via Class R Traks. How many FFA Trak's have gone to R guilds since the system was put in place? Try harder sounds good, but it's obviously not working.

Even if a guild was moderately successful, what would that look like? That they'd somehow beat guilds with a ton of experience competing against each other on an even basis? Let's say it was an even basis, that's 33% of the FFA Traks. At this rate it would take 3 months to get 30 keys - which probably isn't enough to even start thinking about competing against TMO/IB in there due to experience, spawn windows, etc. The mobs aren't up long enough to even practice a pull.

Regardless, an even success rate against TMO/IB is very unrealistic given their natural advantages (experience, number of alts, guild accounts, etc) - let's say you were half as good as an even success rate. Ie 1/6 spawns. Now we're up to 6 months worth of keying just for an insufficient amount of 30 keys - just about as long as the entire class system has been up.

No, no Class R guild is going to even set foot in VP like this unless TMO/IB are pulled away from FFA Traks - ie maybe Velious will do that, maybe not. After over a month of trying to negotiate with multiple guilds, there aren't any of our alliance partners willing to give up Trak teeth in return for us foregoing other Trak loot....or even trading a tooth for us foregoing non-Trak loot in other alliance situations. Ironically enough, the only way I've found to get extra Trak teeth other than FFA Trak's is by purchasing/trading from Class C guilds.

In essence, the entire rationale behind the Class system (ie helping guilds develop in order to be competitive) has been a colossal failure. Part of the blame is on the R guilds themselves (the rotation is a culprit in this), part of this is on the C guilds who just can't let a FFA Trak live long for it not be a relentless coth/soulfire fest, part of it is due to the nature of 32k hp mobs, and the rest is just a flawed raid/FFA system.

In the end we'd just have to deal with the same constant squabbling probably as this thread is evidence of. Who wants to deal with this crap? Who wants to have to FRAPS every raid from multiple angles every time you go for a kill just so months later you can defend yourself from a petition? It's ridiculous.

[Shinko]

I don't get why more guilds are not class C since, if they treated it like ffa and just stock the mob they really want they would get it more then the rotation class

[Clark]

The only way for an R guild in the rotation (ie all of them) to be able to get into VP lies through FFA Traks. The rotation itself effectively spreads out Teeth so much that its impossible for any guild to achieve enough teeth to get into VP via Class R Traks. How many FFA Trak's have gone to R guilds since the system was put in place? Try harder sounds good, but it's obviously not working.

The poor troubles of casuals. Shouldn't even be Class R/free hand outs though.

[arsenalpow]

I don't get why more guilds are not class C since, if they treated it like ffa and just stock the mob they really want they would get it more then the rotation class

I don't get why more guilds are not class C since, if they treated it like ffa and just stock the mob

stock the mob

stock the mob

[Shinko]

dude you really think i care about my spelling or anything at 5am in the morning.

you got me i suck at english chest

[mrmop520]

As a puller, you need to stock up on stalking probes

[arsenalpow]

I wasn't really concerned about the spelling, I was pointing out that you advocate for socking mobs which isn't really what anyone wants to do.

[Shinko]

but you guys do it for ffa? so,....

[arsenalpow]

but you guys do it for ffa? so,....

Sure, for a select number of targets for a limited duration. The class C mindset is 100% every target every time specifically to step on the neck of any competition. Not the mindset that the class R guilds have. Why are we having this conversation? It always boils down to this.

[Shinko]

post your class R rotation please for lets say Trak

[Tiggles]

The only way for an R guild in the rotation (ie all of them) to be able to get into VP lies through FFA Traks. The rotation itself effectively spreads out Teeth so much that its impossible for any guild to achieve enough teeth to get into VP via Class R Traks. How many FFA Trak's have gone to R guilds since the system was put in place? Try harder sounds good, but it's obviously not working.

Even if a guild was moderately successful, what would that look like? That they'd somehow beat guilds with a ton of experience competing against each other on an even basis? Let's say it was an even basis, that's 33% of the FFA Traks. At this rate it would take 3 months to get 30 keys - which probably isn't enough to even start thinking about competing against TMO/IB in there due to experience, spawn windows, etc. The mobs aren't up long enough to even practice a pull.

Regardless, an even success rate against TMO/IB is very unrealistic given their natural advantages (experience, number of alts, guild accounts, etc) - let's say you were half as good as an even success rate. Ie 1/6 spawns. Now we're up to 6 months worth of keying just for an insufficient amount of 30 keys - just about as long as the entire class system has been up.

No, no Class R guild is going to even set foot in VP like this unless TMO/IB are pulled away from FFA Traks - ie maybe Velious will do that, maybe not. After over a month of trying to negotiate with multiple guilds, there aren't any of our alliance partners willing to give up Trak teeth in return for us foregoing other Trak loot....or even trading a tooth for us foregoing non-Trak loot in other alliance situations. Ironically enough, the only way I've found to get extra Trak teeth other than FFA Trak's is by purchasing/trading from Class C guilds.

In essence, the entire rationale behind the Class system (ie helping guilds develop in order to be competitive) has been a colossal failure. Part of the blame is on the R guilds themselves (the rotation is a culprit in this), part of this is on the C guilds who just can't let a FFA Trak live long for it not be a relentless coth/soulfire fest, part of it is due to the nature of 32k hp mobs, and the rest is just a flawed raid/FFA system.

In the end we'd just have to deal with the same constant squabbling probably as this thread is evidence of. Who wants to deal with this crap? Who wants to have to FRAPS every raid from multiple angles every time you go for a kill just so months later you can defend yourself from a petition? It's ridiculous.


So...you're saying that you would need the staff to give class R guilds free trak teeth in order to get you to raid VP?

Do you just want the teeth or would you like more free trakanons as well?

Casual trash

[arsenalpow]

post your class R rotation please for lets say Trak

No u

[Shinko]

TMO
TMO
TMO
FE
TMO
TMO
TMO
FE
FE
FE
TMO
IB

[radditsu]

Hey guys. You are nerds.

[Samoht]

I try to stay away from personal insults
Casual trash

oink oink

[Ella`Ella]

So...you're saying that you would need the staff to give class R guilds free trak teeth in order to get you to raid VP?

Do you just want the teeth or would you like more free trakanons as well?

Casual trash

Are you saying that Class- R is limited in progression by the exact raid system that Class-R voted to have put in place which removed the element of the raid scene that made it possible for start-up/smaller guilds to compete, grow and progress like FE did?

[Ella`Ella]

The only way for an R guild in the rotation (ie all of them) to be able to get into VP lies through FFA Traks. The rotation itself effectively spreads out Teeth so much that its impossible for any guild to achieve enough teeth to get into VP via Class R Traks. How many FFA Trak's have gone to R guilds since the system was put in place? Try harder sounds good, but it's obviously not working.

Even if a guild was moderately successful, what would that look like? That they'd somehow beat guilds with a ton of experience competing against each other on an even basis? Let's say it was an even basis, that's 33% of the FFA Traks. At this rate it would take 3 months to get 30 keys - which probably isn't enough to even start thinking about competing against TMO/IB in there due to experience, spawn windows, etc. The mobs aren't up long enough to even practice a pull.

Regardless, an even success rate against TMO/IB is very unrealistic given their natural advantages (experience, number of alts, guild accounts, etc) - let's say you were half as good as an even success rate. Ie 1/6 spawns. Now we're up to 6 months worth of keying just for an insufficient amount of 30 keys - just about as long as the entire class system has been up.

No, no Class R guild is going to even set foot in VP like this unless TMO/IB are pulled away from FFA Traks - ie maybe Velious will do that, maybe not. After over a month of trying to negotiate with multiple guilds, there aren't any of our alliance partners willing to give up Trak teeth in return for us foregoing other Trak loot....or even trading a tooth for us foregoing non-Trak loot in other alliance situations. Ironically enough, the only way I've found to get extra Trak teeth other than FFA Trak's is by purchasing/trading from Class C guilds.

In essence, the entire rationale behind the Class system (ie helping guilds develop in order to be competitive) has been a colossal failure. Part of the blame is on the R guilds themselves (the rotation is a culprit in this), part of this is on the C guilds who just can't let a FFA Trak live long for it not be a relentless coth/soulfire fest, part of it is due to the nature of 32k hp mobs, and the rest is just a flawed raid/FFA system.

In the end we'd just have to deal with the same constant squabbling probably as this thread is evidence of. Who wants to deal with this crap? Who wants to have to FRAPS every raid from multiple angles every time you go for a kill just so months later you can defend yourself from a petition? It's ridiculous.

Misquote.

Are you saying that Class- R is limited in progression by the exact raid system that Class-R voted to have put in place which removed the element of the raid scene that made it possible for start-up/smaller guilds to compete, grow and progress like FE did?

Just curious on your thoughts??

[arsenalpow]

And I think Cobble's post was a bit of hyperbole. The goal of the class system was to open content to the masses and I don't think anyone can say that the system hasn't at least done that.

The FFA cycle was meant to help class R guilds grow and eventually advance towards class C but their (class C) raid scene is so off-putting that no class R guild will make that leap, nor should they be forced to. I'm sure the staff didn't expect TMO to gobble up FE and then have that motherfucker turn into FrapsQuest/PetitionQuest. If anything the FFA cycle was the real failure and I think Sirken even agreed with that to a point.

Some possible solutions would be to remove the FFA portion entirely or maybe having all FFA mobs spawning simultaneously making it into a tiny repop scenario where guilds have to prioritize targets.

[Alarti0001]

Sure, for a select number of targets for a limited duration. The class C mindset is 100% every target every time specifically to step on the neck of any competition. Not the mindset that the class R guilds have. Why are we having this conversation? It always boils down to this.

Hypocrit

[Ella`Ella]

And I think Cobble's post was a bit of hyperbole. The goal of the class system was to open content to the masses and I don't think anyone can say that the system hasn't at least done that.

The FFA cycle was meant to help class R guilds grow and eventually advance towards class C but their (class C) raid scene is so off-putting that no class R guild will make that leap, nor should they be forced to. I'm sure the staff didn't expect TMO to gobble up FE and then have that motherfucker turn into FrapsQuest/PetitionQuest. If anything the FFA cycle was the real failure and I think Sirken even agreed with that to a point.

Some possible solutions would be to remove the FFA portion entirely or maybe having all FFA mobs spawning simultaneously making it into a tiny repop scenario where guilds have to prioritize targets.

From what I have heard from leaders of some Class-R guilds, there are several current Class-R guilds that actually want to be in Class-C, however they are restricted by the rotation in terms of being able to gear up and get keyed for VP. Also, they are too afraid to break the rotation and be viewed as the other guilds that have tried to compete for Class-R mobs have been.

[arsenalpow]

Hypocrit

'Splain

[arsenalpow]

From what I have heard from leaders of some Class-R guilds, there are several current Class-R guilds that actually want to be in Class-C, however they are restricted by the rotation in terms of being able to gear up and get keyed for VP. Also, they are too afraid to break the rotation and be viewed as the other guilds that have tried to compete for Class-R mobs have been.

I think you're getting some bad information then. BDA has no real interest in Class C as it's currently constituted. Taken might want to eventually go that route since they're more like a class C guild with their push for FFA targets and DKP system, and I think Asgard has said that want to topple the world. I'd say that all the current class R guilds are happy with the current system.

[Ella`Ella]

I think you're getting some bad information then. BDA has no real interest in Class C as it's currently constituted. Taken might want to eventually go that route since they're more like a class C guild with their push for FFA targets and DKP system, and I think Asgard has said that want to topple the world. I'd say that all the current class R guilds are happy with the current system.

I wasn't claiming they were necessarily 'unhappy' with the current raid system, however I was illuminating that you may be less aware about the ambitions of certain constituents in your class system than you think. Also, I wasn't speaking about BDA or Taken.

[Alarti0001]

I wasn't really concerned about the spelling, I was pointing out that you advocate for socking mobs which isn't really what anyone wants to do.

Sure, for a select number of targets for a limited duration. The class C mindset is 100% every target every time specifically to step on the neck of any competition. Not the mindset that the class R guilds have. Why are we having this conversation? It always boils down to this.

[arsenalpow]

Sure, Asgard. They're the class R Tears for Fears, but I wouldn't expect them to utilize the class R system to strengthen up and then smash it to bits once it's ceased to be useful. They've been good citizens so far and I'd expect that trend to maintain.

[Ella`Ella]

They've been good citizens so far and I'd expect that trend to maintain.

Or else...!

[arsenalpow]

That's not hypocrisy, that's being forced to play the game at the insane level that class C has perpetuated. And don't get it twisted scuba Steve I fucking hate doing FFA mobs. I bitch when I have to track, I bitch when I stand there waiting for a spawn, I even bitch if we manage to win (Joke goes here) so don't conflate the two. I don't want to do FFA shit but my people sometimes like to test the FFA waters and unfortunately TMO/IB's high tide floats all boats so I'm reduced to doing stupid FFA tactics.

[Juevento]

I think you're getting some bad information then. BDA has no real interest in Class C as it's currently constituted.

Not true. After the last repop, we killed Sev and there was strong sentiment by several BDA stalwarts to head over to Seb and and drop Trak even though it was assigned to Taken. The thought process was that we could end this rediculous rotation in one fell swoop and get Taken mega rustled.

[arsenalpow]

Not true. After the last repop, we killed Sev and there was strong sentiment by several BDA stalwarts to head over to Seb and and drop Trak even though it was assigned to Taken. The thought process was that we could end this rediculous rotation in one fell swoop and get Taken mega rustled.

False. Several BDA means like you and Lacie lol. You both just want turmoil because you like watching the world burn.

[radditsu]

WTB Open source p99 experience.

[arsenalpow]

Or else...!

It's not "or else"

Why spit in the face of 10 other guilds after they have helped assist kills, not shit on your rotation turn, etc. It's called not being an asshole. It's something that class C struggles with.

[Shinko]

chest not happy with 33% anymore wants 50%

[Shinko]

then not happy with 50% wants 100%

[Shinko]

then not happy with 100% put in raid instances

[Lazie]

It's not "or else"

Why spit in the face of 10 other guilds after they have helped assist kills, not shit on your rotation turn, etc. It's called not being an asshole. It's something that I struggle with.

[Hitpoint]

If anything the FFA cycle was the real failure and I think Sirken even agreed with that to a point.

I think Taken would disagree with this.

[Lazie]

I think Taken would disagree with this.

It only fails Chest because he can't rotate the mobs in FFA.

[Nirgon]

Is shit still rotting again on the domination pile or do the FE invites/alts still need it

[Mezzmur]

I think Taken would disagree with this.

Taken got 50% of FFA last (timed) repop. I was told they were merging with IB soon.

[Mezzmur]

Is shit still rotting again on the domination pile or do the FE invites/alts still need it

Only 10-15% of VP drops are better than what you get outside of VP.

All about that loot table!

[Alarti0001]

I bitch

In summary.

[arsenalpow]

chest not happy with 33% anymore wants 50%
then not happy with 50% wants 100%
then not happy with 100% put in raid instances
Really? If the goal of the FFA cycle was to help class R guilds eventually "graduate" to class C then the FFA cycle has been a failure. There's no question. I don't necessarily want the entire cycle eliminated, I was just spitballing possible solutions.

I think Taken would disagree with this.
Based on what, getting two FFA targets last week and very very few before that? That's not a knock on Taken it's a knock on the system. Before the face tracker FTE changes class R was getting <10% of FFA targets when in direct competition with class C (I'm excluding FFA targets from repops when target prioritization splits everyone up)

It only fails Chest because he can't rotate the mobs in FFA.I think I'm just going to put you on ignore because you literally bring nothing to the conversation. At least Hitpoint isn't a 100% TMO deep throat troll. I think he graduated from the Jeremy school of RnF whereas you matriculated from Alarti Prep Academy.

[Alarti0001]

I think I'm just going to put you on ignore because you literally bring nothing to the conversation.

The irony in this statement is astounding.

[Hitpoint]

Based on what, getting two FFA targets last week and very very few before that? That's not a knock on Taken it's a knock on the system. Before the face tracker FTE changes class R was getting <10% of FFA targets when in direct competition with class C (I'm excluding FFA targets from repops when target prioritization splits everyone up)


Yes, based on the two targets they got.

No class R guilds even try. Back when they did, they got FFA spawns once in a while. BDA used to get vox, Taken got a few Sevs and Fays before they gave up just because they lost a couple. Some other guild got a fay too, Asgard or something, I don't remember. When people try for FFA spawns it's possible to get them. During the FTE spamming era class R guilds eventually just assumed autofire and stopped trying. We should see more class R guilds trying for FFA targets now, I think.

[Lazie]

I think I'm just going to put you on ignore because you literally bring nothing to the conversation. At least Hitpoint isn't a 100% TMO deep throat troll. I think he graduated from the Jeremy school of RnF whereas you matriculated from Alarti Prep Academy.


Tell yourself whatever you have to man to not rage out at people incoherently. What I edited it to was factual.

[arsenalpow]

Yes, based on the two targets they got.

No class R guilds even try. Back when they did, they got FFA spawns once in a while. BDA used to get vox, Taken got a few Sevs and Fays before they gave up just because they lost a couple. Some other guild got a fay too, Asgard or something, I don't remember. When people try for FFA spawns it's possible to get them. During the FTE spamming era class R guilds eventually just assumed autofire and stopped trying. We should see more class R guilds trying for FFA targets now, I think.

I don't know if I agree entirely. If coth ducking is the new barrier of entry for FFA targets then I dont think people will want to play that game because it's incredibly stupid. Is it better than autofire? Probably, but I don't think people want to sit there on a Mage and duck coth every 6 seconds for up to 16 hours.

[Hitpoint]

I don't know if I agree entirely. If coth ducking is the new barrier of entry for FFA targets then I dont think people will want to play that game because it's incredibly stupid. Is it better than autofire? Probably, but I don't think people want to sit there on a Mage and duck coth every 6 seconds for up to 16 hours.

Class C has agreed not to use coth mages to FTE race. It's been very successful so far, as neither guild wants to. No coth mages on class C mobs. Just throwing it out there. If class R wants to get in on this. I think mages Cothing people to the target is stupid also.