The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding.

[Elderan]

A lot of people have asked, so I will lay out there exactly what happened. I know the most about this because I am the one who talked with the GMs and have the most information.

Around May - Nizzar was banned for RMT. He had been caught selling 1-2 items to Sektors. Derubael wanted to perm ban Nizzar and disband the guild. I talked with Derubael for 2 hours about this. He was hard and fast on this and would not change his mind.

So then I talk to Sirken, he is much more reasonable. He agrees that they ban the account not the person. The only time they perm ban someone from every playing again is if they are running a website like platlord or some other extreme measure. All of Nizzars' accounts would be banned but he would be allowed to play here again and Nihilum would remain. I personally assured Sirken I would make sure it would not happen again. Sirken told me that Nizzar could not lead the guild. I asked what if he was leading raids in TS. He told me that they did not care as long as he was not the GM or an officer in game. We went over many examples of this and it was clear that as long as Nizzar was not GM or an officer in game it was fine. He then brought Derubael into the conversion and explained his decision. Derubael was not happen, but Sirken was head GM.

I was the ONLY person the GMs talked to about this. I am the ONLY one who knew about the conditions set out for us. These are the conditions I relayed to the guild. Not once did a GM EVER say these were not the conditions to me or any Nihilum officer after this point.

Fast forward to last week. Derubael pulls Nizzar aside out of the blue and bans him telling him because he was leading the guild and Niihlum is force disbanded. After a few conversations Derubael tells me that someone(heartbrand) submitted TS recordings of Nizzar leading raids. Derubael used that as evidence to ban/disband the guild and suspend all officers one month. I explain that was not the rules they set out for us. Derubael now says Nizzar could not even led raids in TS and that's why he disbanded Nihilum. I explained to him that #1 that wasn't the rules Sirken gave me. #2 what we do in TS is our business and not his. #3 a 5 minute conversation could have cleared this up, instead no GM wanted to. Derubael does not care, he finally got what he originally wanted.

TLDR: I was the only one who was given the conditions of Nizzars release. We followed those conditions. GMs changed the conditions and disbanded Niihlum without warning.

[Not_Kazowi]

The duke will be remembered

[Susvain2]

youre not "The Count" plz remove that

[heartbrand]

Tune and Nizzar had it coming RIP

[Andis]

tldr

tell your pals, thanks for playing

[Jib]

cant believe i wasted my time reading that, was absolutely no good information

[lite]

tlwnr

[magician]

like dust in the wind

did not deserve 2 die

[Elderan]

oh btw.. if you want to ask questions about anything related to this I will answer. I dont play here anymore so I will be happy to answer anything.

Actually screw it I will answer anything.

[magician]

can i have your aon? i deserve it pal.

[lite]

this is such a pathetic post. You can't be the leader is so crystal clear... The guy is threatening to guild kick people, distribute loot, making rules for the guild. No matter what toon I am playing and what rank it holds, I am the leader of Azrael. This is the most pathetic attempt at lawyerquesting ... I've never seen a weaker attempt at reaching. Truly pathetic and fucking weak, you can do better than this.

[krazyGlue]

Elderan did you or did you not buy nizzar a computer for pixels

[Elderan]

this is such a pathetic post. You can't be the leader is so crystal clear... The guy is threatening to guild kick people, distribute loot, making rules for the guild. No matter what toon I am playing and what rank it holds, I am the leader of Azrael. This is the most pathetic attempt at lawyerquesting ... I've never seen a weaker attempt at reaching.

So once a GM had a problem with this, why didn't one send a PM to me or any officer explaining how that would not fly to them. This would have been corrected within the same day.

[Mac Drettj]

Dirty whistles gon dirty their whistles.

[krazyGlue]

Elderan did you or did you not buy nizzar a computer for pixels

Stop avoiding the question

[lite]

So once a GM had a problem with this, why didn't one send a PM to me or any officer explaining how that would not fly to them. This would have been corrected within the same day.

dude....just stop

[Malevz]

Coming to the boards to get sympathy is a poor strategy. GM's have more credibility than Nihilum after the whole RMT scandal. Plus the bulk of the players in guild are newbies who just wanted to hop on the Nihilum loot gravy train.

The whole GM's are out to get Nihilum thing doesn't fly, TMO has dominated blue for how long, why not just break them up too? Likely because their guild leaders is not unemployed and using the game as a money making pyramid scheme. No offense to Nizzar, he's a decent guy. Spending years raiding stuff you don't need for RL cash, and griefing any new blood off the server is crap though. Once again it's a game.

Guess all that favor you purchased with the new computer you got him is out the windows now eh Elderan?

[Xantille]

RIP in pieces, duke

[Malevz]

Actually screw it I will answer anything.

How much did you pay for Nizzar's computer, and what did you get for it? I'm serious and curious.

[heartbrand]

Honestly Nihilum made a huge error about a year and a half ago. There was no AZ at the time, and the server was double digits. We were holding down everything with ease with a crew of 23-25 people. Yet, we continued to recruit people for no reason that we didn't need, and DKP had no purpose as the core all had full BiS gear. At that point, the guild went from a tight knit crew to a machine that served only to gear new warm bodied apps who RMT'ed off the server or quit one after another, with the rare exception of the 5% who stayed to become part of the core.

[Elderan]

Elderan did you or did you not buy nizzar a computer for pixels

I did buy Nizzar a PC. But understand the reasons. We would be pvping a lot and he would be BY far the slowest person zonning. I mean like 2 minute zone times it was so bad. I got frustrated one day and told him I would send him a SSD I had laying around. Then after explaining how to install it etc I thought he wouldn't be able to get it working. So I then just decided to send him a PC. Ordered from some place that did all the customs work for me so I didn't have to.

But I am being 100% truthful here. He never once offered to give me items in return. I got nothing but some gratitude for it which was plenty for me. You could also look at our DKP system. I never once got an items out of turn or over anyone else.

[georgie]

GG

[Elderan]

How much did you pay for Nizzar's computer, and what did you get for it? I'm serious and curious.

Answered above.

PC was $2,500 and I got nothing but seeing him zone much faster and some gratitude. Which was more than I asked for which was nothing.

[Elderan]

Coming to the boards to get sympathy is a poor strategy. GM's have more credibility than Nihilum after the whole RMT scandal. Plus the bulk of the players in guild are newbies who just wanted to hop on the Nihilum loot gravy train.

The whole GM's are out to get Nihilum thing doesn't fly, TMO has dominated blue for how long, why not just break them up too? Likely because their guild leaders is not unemployed and using the game as a money making pyramid scheme. No offense to Nizzar, he's a decent guy. Spending years raiding stuff you don't need for RL cash, and griefing any new blood off the server is crap though. Once again it's a game.

Guess all that favor you purchased with the new computer you got him is out the windows now eh Elderan?

Not wanting sympathy, just want the story out there.

Also I spent more on Clash on Clans last month then I did on Nizzars PC.

[magician]

why are people mad that elderan did something nice to one of his friends?

[Andis]

PC was $2,500 and I got nothing but seeing him zone much faster and some gratitude. Which was more than I asked for which was nothing.

no comment

[lite]

I did buy Nizzar a PC. But understand the reasons. We would be pvping a lot and he would be BY far the slowest person zonning. I mean like 2 minute zone times it was so bad. I got frustrated one day and told him I would send him a SSD I had laying around. Then after explaining how to install it etc I thought he wouldn't be able to get it working. So I then just decided to send him a PC. Ordered from some place that did all the customs work for me so I didn't have to.

But I am being 100% truthful here. He never once offered to give me items in return. I got nothing but some gratitude for it which was plenty for me. You could also look at our DKP system. I never once got an items out of turn or over anyone else.


So you want us to believe Nizzar couldn't put a computer together and that the only item he ever sold was to sektors in a 3 year period? (because sektors kept begging)

[Cheesypoof]

Sektor was just good friends with Niz and wanted him to be able to afford his electric bill and a case of hot pockets. He was going to get a green dragon scale anyway. Nothing to RMT erm i mean SEE here.

[krazyGlue]

Damn nizzar made thousands .. I'm kinda jelly

[Cheesypoof]

why are people mad that elderan did something nice to one of his friends?

^^^Sent Nizzar a case of Mt. Dew

[Malevz]

Answered above.

PC was $2,500 and I got nothing but seeing him zone much faster and some gratitude. Which was more than I asked for which was nothing.

Next question: Do you think this is normal behavior?

[no chewie dont]

At least nihilum broke rules to get disciplined... could be worse, could eat frequent suspensions just for attacking in-range players

[Not_Kazowi]

Nizzar has the last laugh on all of us. Dude made it out with a badass computer

[Elderan]

Next question: Do you think this is normal behavior?

Is for me anyway. Bought a friend I played wow with a PC. He lives in Peru though and we still play games today. I just gifted Archeage founders to 2 friends today.

Just some recent ones that came to mind.

[LostCause]

sektors "donates" money to his friends whats the difference here?

[Elderan]

So you want us to believe Nizzar couldn't put a computer together and that the only item he ever sold was to sektors in a 3 year period? (because sektors kept begging)

Wasn't just that. I did not want him to be down while trying to get it installed. I did not want to deal with customs. His PC was very old and I wasn't even sure the SSD would help. New PC was just much easier. Go to website, order, done in 15 minutes.

[Cheesypoof]

Any update on the Nihilum macroing/boting of tradeskills? Seems like that is another reason Nihilum got disbanded.

[quido]

Nizzar is a lying, stealing, cheating piece of shit that should have been e-guillotined years ago.

[Malevz]

Answered above.

PC was $2,500 and I got nothing but seeing him zone much faster and some gratitude. Which was more than I asked for which was nothing.

So you never found it odd that we were killing everything in game... and yet we still recruited anything with a heart beat that could mash their palm on the keyboard?

You never wondered why a guild holding down all the spawns with 25 people needed 40+? It never crossed your mind that Nizzar needed to hold down every spawn in game for $$, and it was hard to convince 25 people who hadn't needed anything off the spawns for a year to keep killing them?

I'm no big city lawyer, but it seems you were either ignorant or accomplice.

[Elderan]

Any update on the Nihilum macroing/boting of tradeskills? Seems like that is another reason Nihilum got disbanded.

The only macroing I know of is the built in mouse/keyboard ones. Meaning you click on button on your mouse and it does keystroke 1,2,3,4 etc. I never knew that to be illegal though. Also I have never heard anyone botting. Maybe you are referring to my AFK leaderboard guys?

[Elderan]

So you never found it odd that we were killing everything in game... and yet we still recruited anything with a heart beat that could mash their palm on the keyboard?

You never wondered why a guild holding down all the spawns with 25 people needed 40+? It never crossed your mind that Nizzar needed to hold down every spawn in game for $$, and it was hard to convince 25 people who hadn't needed anything off the spawns for a year to keep killing them?

I'm no big city lawyer, but it seems you were either ignorant or accomplice.

The problem was nothing ever went missing from the guild bank. We never saw some random person running around wearing a trak BP or any other raid loot. if RMT was happening in mass then we would have seen that. I honestly had no clue about it and I did pay attention.

[no chewie dont]

So you never found it odd that we were killing everything in game... and yet we still recruited anything with a heart beat that could mash their palm on the keyboard?

You never wondered why a guild holding down all the spawns with 25 people needed 40+? It never crossed your mind that Nizzar needed to hold down every spawn in game for $$, and it was hard to convince 25 people who hadn't needed anything off the spawns for a year to keep killing them?

I'm no big city lawyer, but it seems you were either ignorant or accomplice.

How many years were you nihilum tho

[Elderan]

I see a lot of people saying oh Niihlum controlled the mobs, loot etc. They killed people and prevented other guilds from growing.

That all might be true, but keep in mind NONE of it was against the rules. You might be surprised to learn that Niihlum was pretty clean overall.

[Andis]

elderan just stop posting man

you are reaching dangerous levels

it's over

[krazyGlue]

The gear / loot was sold to members for plat sometimes rmted to them . That plat was then funneled to blue . 3.1ratio and it was sold for rl cash . The plat went to new players old
Players alike starting on red with tons of blue plat to transfer. .

[krazyGlue]

It's not rocket science. I'm just jelly I didn't get my hands in the cookie jar .

[Cheesypoof]

not sure if srs. there is a Deruabel post floating around here saying yur a bunch of cheats.

[Cheesypoof]

damn I would like to say im sorry. I thought I was in RnF.

[Eslade]

We need to donate to get some grief counselors in these forums. Holy shit you ex nilly people have a hard time accepting the truth that you recieved way more chances than you deserved and you finally screwed up and someone dropped prof right in front of the gm's to the point where they had no choice but to permaban your leader and suspend your officers for being incompetent/complacent with all the shady shit going on.

TLDR
get the fuck over it already.

[RoguePhantom]

How can you fault a guy for making mad coin off of a game? Its against the EULA? Big Freaking deal.

As if all the "White Knights" are really white. Boxing, RMT is so much more prevalent than anyone wants to admit, people are just glad that "the king is dead" so they can take over the throne.

[lite]

Wasn't just that. I did not want him to be down while trying to get it installed. I did not want to deal with customs. His PC was very old and I wasn't even sure the SSD would help. New PC was just much easier. Go to website, order, done in 15 minutes.

I genuinely feel like you were doing him a favor, good for you. With that being said, I think you are being disingenuous when you try and sit here and act like all the staff's desire was only to have nizzar's tag change. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play. With that being said, it's over. No reason to keep up the lie.

[Eslade]

How can you fault a guy for making mad coin off of a game? Its against the EULA? Big Freaking deal.

As if all the "White Knights" are really white. Boxing, RMT is so much more prevalent than anyone wants to admit, people are just glad that "the king is dead" so they can take over the throne.

Dunno if you're retarded or joking. If Sony gets wind that people are making money off of one of their products, how long do you think this project is going to stay up? Even if there is almost no grounds for a lawsuit, do you really think Rogean and nilbog want to spend the money on a legal defense?

[Ezpk]

For my time being in Nihilum I can confidently say that in regards to RMT, the only known problem that occurred was with Sektors hounding Nizzar for the scale or whatever it was for $40. The only problem I saw was when SHTF and everyone in the guild was coaxed into believing the short end of the stick.

Aside from that, there was a gbank with upwards of 1mil in plat? tons of items, nobody outside of the guild attained anything without ridiculous amounts of platinum put forth in exchange. With that in mind, I truly believe that the guild came first & Nizzars incident with Sektor was the first/last time it had occurred in regards to Nihilum & Red99.

[Mac Drettj]

Love when people defend without the full undisclosed knowledge that some of us are privy to 8)

[Andis]

^

chortled at this

[Elderan]

I genuinely feel like you were doing him a favor, good for you. With that being said, I think you are being disingenuous when you try and sit here and act like all the staff's desire was only to have nizzar's tag change. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play. With that being said, it's over. No reason to keep up the lie.

I had a 3 hour personal conversation about this with Sirken the day it happened.

I know exactly what I was told.

[Elderan]

^

chortled at this

Doesn't matter. He was caught doing one RMT transaction. If he had been caught doing more then I would say ban for life.

But keep in mind, assumptions are not punishable. We all knew Lite 2-3-4 boxed but he was never caught and so we cant say he should be punished. We all knew certain people RMT but they were never caught so they were not punished.

Nizzar was punished for what he was caught for anything else would not be reasonable.

[Not_Kazowi]

We need to donate to get some grief counselors in these forums. Holy shit you ex nilly people have a hard time accepting the truth that you recieved way more chances than you deserved and you finally screwed up and someone dropped prof right in front of the gm's to the point where they had no choice but to permaban your leader and suspend your officers for being incompetent/complacent with all the shady shit going on.

TLDR
get the fuck over it already.

Dude I don't think anyone's unable to let go of it but you guys that are atill bringing all this shit up. Elderan came here to clear the air, stop being a dick about it

[Mac Drettj]

Elder an u embarrassing urself by defending nizzar with out the full story

Sorry but if he's not telling u I will since I'm ur pal

[Eslade]

Dude I don't think anyone's unable to let go of it but you guys that are atill bringing all this shit up. Elderan came here to clear the air, stop being a dick about it

Clear the air by blaming the gm's for following the guidelines for what to do when a guild leader is caught rmting?
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[quido]

Eldermoran isn't fooling anyone at this point.

[heartbrand]

I think u all care 2 much

[filthyphil]

Good riddance, maybe nihilum will rejoin the workforce. America needs tax payers not disability claims.

[Elderan]

Clear the air by blaming the gm's for following the guidelines for what to do when a guild leader is caught rmting?


I just wanted to make it clear the rules that were set out for me, since I am the one who was there when they were set. I was the one who relayed them.

We followed the rules as they were set it. At no point did any GM say anything about them not being followed.

[Not_Kazowi]

Good riddance, maybe nihilum will rejoin the workforce. America needs tax payers not disability claims.

The duke is Canadian?

[Eslade]

I just wanted to make it clear the rules that were set out for me, since I am the one who was there when they were set. I was the one who relayed them.

We followed the rules as they were set it. At no point did any GM say anything about them not being followed.

Has anyone besides the gm's seen all of the evidence against Nizzar/nihilium? Honest question.

[Elderan]

I think u all care 2 much

People do really. I quit playing well before this happened but since I was the one who talked with the gms orginally when the rules were laid out. I felt like the need to explain exactly what happened since I am the only one with that information.

[Doors]

Wish some1 buy me computer.

[Elderan]

Has anyone besides the gm's seen all of the evidence against Nizzar/nihilium? Honest question.

No, But we are not denying that Nizzar did not lead raids in TS. I was told that was fine by Sirken during our 3 hour long talk.

[Elderan]

Wish some1 buy me computer.

Make more friends, might happen.

[Haynar]

Not even a good read.

Boring.

[Malevz]

I just wanted to make it clear the rules that were set out for me, since I am the one who was there when they were set. I was the one who relayed them.

We followed the rules as they were set it. At no point did any GM say anything about them not being followed.

So Elderan was told Nizzar couldn't lead the guild, never told Nizzar, and yet he was wandering around without an officer tag? Andis said it best, "lawyerquesting".

So the rules were broken a third time and a warning wasn't given? Nizzar was never told? Hello I'm a straw, would you like to grasp me?

[mugien]

Wolfe going to town here.

[Elderan]

So Elderan was told Nizzar couldn't lead the guild, never told Nizzar, and yet he was wandering around without an officer tag? Andis said it best, "lawyerquesting".

So the rules were broken a third time and a warning wasn't given? Nizzar was never told? Hello I'm a straw, would you like to grasp me?

Wrong, I relayed the instructions as they were given to me. The guild followed them.

Third time? I am only aware of once, the original Sektors RMT thing.

[HippoNipple]

. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play.

This 100%. If someone that was just the leader is sitting in TS and knows how to lead there is no way they are going to sit there silently while things are run poorly. Maybe for a week or two but eventually they will naturally take over again whether they are trying to or not. As Lite mentioned, if this was flipped, can you imagine him sitting idle as the guild flopped and made bad calls?

The punishment was executed very poorly and maybe it should have just been harsher from the start so GMs didn't have to go back on their word. It would have at least avoided officers with high play times and the ability to lead to also be banned.

[Elderan]

The punishment was executed very poorly and maybe it should have just been harsher from the start so GMs didn't have to go back on their word. It would have at least avoided officers with high play times and the ability to lead to also be banned.

Thats the key, GMs went back on their word.

[Slathar]

Wrong, I relayed the instructions as they were given to me. The guild followed them.

Third time? I am only aware of once, the original Sektors RMT thing.

you broke the rules clearly outlined by the gms, you're now publicly crying about the decision the gms made when you chose to break the rules and you're wondering why nihilum got disbanded.


shocked

[freez]

=(


who cares

[NotSmedy]

Tune and Nizzar had it coming RIP

[Malevz]

Last question, this one is a two parter:

1. If you're over this server and you and your 30 friends are on to other games why are you posting this.

The only people that will read it are a) ex-Nihilum who would let Nizzar RMT their mom if they could keep riding the loot gravy train. Or b) people that have no sympathy because the zerg just mass recruited until there was too few left to compete.

2. If you're so over the game I ask you to prove it be giving me your AoN, and an angry handjob in a dirty bus station bathroom. Preferably one that is busy, as that is how I roll.

Surely if the GM's are evil and corrupt you won't be back anyway.

[Elderan]

you broke the rules clearly outlined by the gms, you're now publicly crying about the decision the gms made when you chose to break the rules and you're wondering why nihilum got disbanded.


shocked

Clearly you did not read the first post.

We broke no rules as they were given to me. It seems as though Derubael decided to ignore those rules or was not fully aware of them since Sirken gave them.

[Elderan]

1. If you're over this server and you and your 30 friends are on to other games why are you posting this.

Because I wanted to clear the air. I wasn't some 3rd party in this. I was the one person who was given the rules. Those rules were clearly not what they banned Nizzar for. I truly feel he was being unjustly targeted this time around.

[Slathar]

this time around.


this being his 3rd? 4th? 5th? banning. sorry, he was given enough chances.

[Cheesypoof]

Y didn't Niz talk to the GM's directly. Y did he send you to talk to them. It looks like the only people Nihilum have to blame is U. It looks like you messed up and didn't relay the correct info.

The real story behind the Nihilum force disbanding=Elderan

[Malevz]

The real story behind the Nihilum force disbanding=Elderan

Detective Cheesypoof solves the mystery of "The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding".

/thread

[Elderan]

Y didn't Niz talk to the GM's directly. Y did he send you to talk to them. It looks like the only people Nihilum have to blame is U. It looks like you messed up and didn't relay the correct info.

The real story behind the Nihilum force disbanding=Elderan

GMs are pretty non existent here. They like to give out punishment and then not respond to why. So I get them for a more immediate response. That is why I talked to them.

I relayed it correct. But like I said, a 5 min talk once they thought we were not honoring it would have cleared it up.

[Malevz]

GMs are pretty non existent here.

I wouldn't say that's true, apparently some RMTer just got banned, and his officers suspended. Did you hear about that perhaps?

[Elderan]

I wouldn't say that's true, apparently some RMTer just got banned, and his officers suspended. Did you hear about that perhaps?

Apparently Derubael only shows up when it relates to Nizzar, and possibly Tune.

[heartbrand]

Tune was prolly the dirtiest player on the server

[Eslade]

It's already been stated that they have him saying things in guild chat that only a leader should say. If you just barely were allowed back don't you think that it would be a good idea to lay low for a while? Gm's said don't lead and they popped him for doing so.


Can we just stop trying to lawyer the shit out of this? It's over, nihilum is disbanded and Nizzar isn't coming back unless he goes deep undercover.

[Elderan]

It's already been stated that they have him saying things in guild chat that only a leader should say. If you just barely were allowed back don't you think that it would be a good idea to lay low for a while? Gm's said don't lead and they popped him for doing so.


Can we just stop trying to lawyer the shit out of this? It's over, nihilum is disbanded and Nizzar isn't coming back unless he goes deep undercover.

Not about coming back. Its about GMs misleading people and doing what is right.

[Quiet]

I guess i'm confused why they even made that stipulation. He can't lead a guild? What kind of crack ass punishment is that? Then they banned him, and any account he logged in or was linked too.

Sektorss is a well known RMTer and yet he still is allowed to play. They never banned him and every account he logged in or who logged in his tunes, because that would have eliminated 30% of the server. I don't get the double standard?

[Malevz]

Apparently Derubael only shows up when it relates to Nizzar, and possibly Tune.

Wasn't there another guild that got banned for dragons in the wall? Didn't Sektors get a bunch of characters banned for RMT along with a bunch of other people?

So question: Since the GM's are obviously corrupt and evil (I don't believe this I think they have to spend too much time babysitting the cheaters and assholes) you can 100% guarantee you won't be back?

I mean if they just ban people for no reason you wouldn't want to waste your time with the server am I correct?

[Quiet]

Lite's a known and confirmed boxer. Why haven't they stipulated he cant lead a guild? Why haven't they banned and disbanded Azrael?

[no chewie dont]

I guess i'm confused why they even made that stipulation. He can't lead a guild? What kind of crack ass punishment is that? Then they banned him, and any account he logged in or was linked too.

Sektorss is a well known RMTer and yet he still is allowed to play. They never banned him and every account he logged in or who logged in his tunes, because that would have eliminated 30% of the server. I don't get the double standard?

Its not a double standard thats just the benefit of being a snitch bitch

[Agatha]

i remember after nizzar was demoted and not allowed to make leadership decisions he went and changed the ragefire loot rules again, for the 50th time, prompting me to take decisive actions lol.

all said, nizzar didn't deserve this.

[Malevz]

all said, nizzar didn't deserve this.

Spent years talking shit about Nizzar, Nihilum and the server, 180, Nizzar you taste so good in my mouth, sure I'll swallow. Currently unable to get into any above average guild.

Credibility is high here.

[krazyGlue]

Lite's a known and confirmed boxer. Why haven't they stipulated he cant lead a guild? Why haven't they banned and disbanded Azrael?

Got prof ?

[no chewie dont]

What guild is sickpuppy in, I got screenshots of him repeatedly hounding me to sell my sk to him for 800 dollars when I was level 24 or so

[Elspeth]

$30 Athlon X2 HP Junker + $20 HD5450 w/ 4 GB RAM = 20 sec zone times, gogo ramdisk

[Agatha]

Spent years talking shit about Nizzar, Nihilum and the server, 180, Nizzar you taste so good in my mouth, sure I'll swallow. Currently unable to get into any above average guild.

Credibility is high here.

i talk shit about the opposition, it's how i enjoy the game. but to me it's just a game, and i think nizzar felt the same way, nizzar is quite the chum if u take the time to get to know him, as im sure you well know.

[krazyGlue]

Oh boy I sure would pay 800 for a level 24sk sounds legit

[Quiet]

Depends what level of proof you need.

1. Do I have recorded Azrael chat of lite logging on chubs to port me while not logging his bard, yes.
2. Does have have IP exemption, yes.
3. Was there a screen shot a while back that showed he had a character at log in screen behind his actually character, yes.
4. Do the GM's openly know and poke fun about him boxing in a server discussion, yes.

Would a jury of people convict on this. Absolutely.

[Elspeth]

Lite's a known and confirmed boxer. Why haven't they stipulated he cant lead a guild? Why haven't they banned and disbanded Azrael?

boxing doesnt endanger the box itself like real cash transactions potentially could.

p.s.

Lite has never boxed, not even once, this is slander, ban this muppet

[no chewie dont]

Oh boy I sure would pay 800 for a level 24sk sounds legit

Oh thats u? Rofl nice
Cant wait to dig those out of my 19 gigs of killshots and other lols

[Elderan]

Depends what level of proof you need.

1. Do I have recorded Azrael chat of lite logging on chubs to port me while not logging his bard, yes.
2. Does have have IP exemption, yes.
3. Was there a screen shot a while back that showed he had a character at log in screen behind his actually character, yes.
4. Do the GM's openly know and poke fun about him boxing in a server discussion, yes.

Would a jury of people convict on this. Absolutely.

Doesn't matter. When you have possibly the clearest video of screen dragging ever with Salem they still got released.

Its clear Derubael only cared about Nihilum. Hes been trying to bribe people to send in dirt on Nihilum leadership for a while now.

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I'd consider releasing your account if you gathered information on your officers and recorded this information and sent it to me. Anything pertaining to RMT, exploiting, breaking rules, whatever.

If you go "undercover" and get me some good, legitimate information that I can use, I might even consider releasing Eximo as well as Seximo.
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[Not_Kazowi]

What guild is sickpuppy in, I got screenshots of him repeatedly hounding me to sell my sk to him for 800 dollars when I was level 24 or so

Yes

[krazyGlue]

Please post chewie

[no chewie dont]

Im at work, can hardly wait tho

[krazyGlue]

Forums so good right now

[Darksinga]

I'm pretty sure ebaying toons was classic.

Ya morans.

"KEEP IT CLASSIC" lolol

[Infectious]

I will give your account back if you go undercover... LOL.

[lethdar]

Most ridiculous thing from this thread is that Sirken would negotiate with someone who's been banned half a dozen times.

[radda]

elderan, where is proof you were first lvl 60?

[NotSmedy]

Elder an u embarrassing urself by defending nizzar with out the full story

Sorry but if he's not telling u I will since I'm ur pal

GIMME DAT TERADISE SCOOP

[lethdar]

GIMME DAT TERADISE SCOOP

the gates of teradise might open to our favorite swede.

[mostbitter]

lol i love how derubael is like ya dog dont worry about it get me the dirt and ill over turn big rog dogs bans cus i dont even give a shitter gnawmean best bleed@

[NotSmedy]

the gates of teradise might open to our favorite swede.

awww yiss, after the tralina scoop i am forever in dept to the teradise marketing group

[LulzSect]

Did not read felon thread

[fiegi 8.0]

BOTTOM LINE: THE SCUM GOT BANNED AND THE SERVER IS HEALTHIER

[Terpuntine]

the gates of teradise might open to our favorite swede.

Nice troll pal

[Clark]

Nobody gives a rats ass about Nihilum. Derubael is a saint.

[Clark]

BOTTOM LINE: THE SCUM GOT BANNED AND THE SERVER IS HEALTHIER

[Clark]

you broke the rules clearly outlined by the gms, you're now publicly crying about the decision the gms made when you chose to break the rules and you're wondering why nihilum got disbanded.


shocked

[Drakaris]

I will give your account back if you go undercover... LOL.

I heard a little about this one, tell me more!

[Utanven]

So you never found it odd that we were killing everything in game... and yet we still recruited anything with a heart beat that could mash their palm on the keyboard?

You never wondered why a guild holding down all the spawns with 25 people needed 40+? It never crossed your mind that Nizzar needed to hold down every spawn in game for $$, and it was hard to convince 25 people who hadn't needed anything off the spawns for a year to keep killing them?

I'm no big city lawyer, but it seems you were either ignorant or accomplice.

Weren't u raiding with us a few months ago? And in the guild before that? (Heard u got booted) or maybe your char had a new owner?

[Nirgon]

Nizzar has the last laugh on all of us. Dude made it out with a badass computer

Yeah a 2500$ computer at the low low cost of 2+ years of your life playing 20/24 (I'm quoting here).

But man if you told me one day I would have more pixels on Red99 than Nizzar, I wouldn't have believed you.

RIP one of the greatest scumlords of our time.

[Stasis01]

Nizzar got fucked because this makes no sense, there's no way that guy wouldn't be telling everyone what to do.

That being said he ran the server as a RMT business like a faggot and I'm glad he's gone.

[Pokeman]

oh btw.. if you want to ask questions about anything related to this I will answer. I dont play here anymore so I will be happy to answer anything.

Actually screw it I will answer anything.

can i have ur stuff? i need vox spear

[heartbrand]

Nizzar got fucked because this makes no sense, there's no way that guy wouldn't be telling everyone what to do.

That being said he ran the server as a RMT business like a faggot and I'm glad he's gone.

Was that before or after you had 70% RA for four months

[Stasis01]

If you can't beat em, join em, for a bit - then kick them in the balls.

[Drakaris]

If you can't beat em, join em, for a bit - then kick them in the balls.

Cool, with that mentality, where do I sign up to Azrael? I promise I won't gather evidence of Lite 2 boxing and doing other shady stuff to get him banned!

Pinky promise!

[Elderan]

Oh man, is this message from Derubael real? Its time for him to step down...

100% real.

[Stasis01]

U can't sign up faggot get to steppen.

[Derubael]

100% real.

We do this all the time. It's one of many tools we use to collect information. Not sure what the problem is.

Also, I didn't read the first two pages, but I read the OP - I never said anything about a "TS recording". I don't know where this information comes from. We banned Nizzarr for in-game actions.

Not that we needed to - anything outside of the game we could use as evidence as well, as Sirken pointed out to you in a PM.

One big point you're forgetting, Elderan, is that this wasn't just my decision. I may have sent the message, but make no mistake - the CSR staff decided this needed to happen. We can't have former guild leaders who were removed for RMT be in positions of power after getting caught. This should have been a no-brainer.

He broke the rules, he got caught, and you're grasping at straws to try and justify your actions as being my fault.

Drop it and move on. I'm tired of defending myself for something that was decided upon by the senior CSR staff and management. An action that was the right call based on our servers rules.

Two things, because I don't want to hear about it anymore:

Lets get one thing straight folks. We don't answer to you.

There has been a lot of petitions lately, a lot of posts on the forums, with everyone trying to critique GM Decisions. The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't. Situations are handled between the staff and the players directly involved. Any dialog between a GM and a player can be considered a private matter, and will not be open to public debate. Players will divulge their interactions with GM's as they see fit, maybe giving all details and maybe not disclosing all of it, and quite possible they themselves aren't aware of every point of consideration in a staff decision.

I'm getting quite tired of everything being questioned, everyone assuming they are experts in every decision being made. Its getting old quite fast. We make decisions based on our best judgements, often discussing large impacting decisions with several staff members first. You are welcome to report anything you may believe to be unjustified use of GM privileges to the petition forum or Nilbog and myself, but this would only be in situations where you believe a GM did not act as they are instructed so, and an investigation may occur, but do not think that this suddenly privies you to all information associated with any decision. I realize that the environment for our community is a little more open than such organizations as SOE Itself, with more direct involvement in the community by the developers, but there are certain ways things need to be handled, and they wont always be agreed on by everyone, but thats how it is in any scenario. Many of us, including myself, do not play on the server. That means we spend all of our time working to better the server, and handling the issues that arise. We make decisions based on our best judgement, with no favoritism for any play character connections, so you will have to trust in our opinions for the health of the server.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, un GM-related, flaming and asshatery.

<3

o Implying favortism by members of the Project 1999 Staff - Implying that Guides, GM's, or Developers will show favor towards one or more parties involved in any given situation. This includes, but is not limited to, using threats of retribution or inferring that you will not be held accountable for your actions due to special consideration.

[Drakaris]

U can't sign up faggot get to steppen.

Ok sooo... Steppen, get chummy, sign up THEN kick them in the balls?

Seems like too much effort... *rolls eyes*

I think I'd rather hang out their bind points and pick them off while they hold hands in VP! :)

Out of all seriousness though, I don't mind being an underdog, I MAINED A FRIGGIN NECRO FFS.

[Supreme]

Another guild destroyed by Heartbrand.

[Stasis01]

He seemed trustworthy.

[Stasis01]

Ok sooo... Steppen, get chummy, sign up THEN kick them in the balls?

Seems like too much effort... *rolls eyes*

I think I'd rather hang out their bind points and pick them off while they hold hands in VP! :)

Out of all seriousness though, I don't mind being an underdog, I MAINED A FRIGGIN NECRO FFS.

I was the equivalent to an african child soldier who just had his family slaughtered, so I joined them till I was stronger.

Fucken pretty much matches.

[Colgate]

Another guild destroyed by Heartbrand.

that's why he's da emp 8)

[Clark]

Another guild destroyed by Heartbrand.

Don't lie you had part in it's collapse too being the shitty person you are.

[Stasis01]

A rather large part.

[Visual]

This that and the other

Looks like you guys are down for the count

Heyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Eslade]

Another guild destroyed by Nizzar and blind officers.

Ftfy.
No one to blame but those people.
Pras the staff for upholding the server rules.

[Colgate]

holocaust won in the end

nizzar made a huge mistake letting them in

[Marqus]

As an app Nilly gave me my mage epic, no questions asked. "Oh you want an epic? Here". Like... the entire epic. No questions asked, no demands for account info or whatever. Good people. Had a blast playing with them.

[BeautBabeC]

Wow sounds fun probably how the game was intended to be played as well

[Drakaris]

holocaust won in the end

nizzar made a huge mistake letting them in

Dunno, guild was getting pretty good, some of the officers were making counter-grief toons to hammer the likes of MrBigs...

Gone were the days of people farming PvP points 24x7... truthfully I think Tune did it because he was OCD, not because he enjoyed making ppl quit :P

Ahhh well! Was fun while it lasted, really was hoping Az would get a come back with Hokuten for those PvP battles... Were now back to small scale gank crews and a PVE farm guild, which was where the server was at 6 months to a year ago...

[Malevz]

Another guild destroyed by Heartbrand.

HAHA, I told Nizzar, we survived Heartbrand once, no guild has ever done that. You'll never survive HB a second time! <3 Supreme

[Azure]

I got to give it to HB for finally pulling the plug out of Nizzar and making him leave the matrix.

[Super Hater]

I got to give it to HB for finally pulling the plug out of Nizzar and making him leave the matrix.

Where you been? Did you cut your little pecker off and have your mangina installed yet?





Fgt.

[Psykes]

Answered above.

PC was $2,500 and I got nothing but seeing him zone much faster and some gratitude. Which was more than I asked for which was nothing.

$2,500 for a pc to play Everquest LOL....you can zone just as fast on a bestbuy out of the box Asus with a onboard video card for $399.99

[Eslade]

Where you been? Did you cut your little pecker off and have your mangina installed yet?





Fgt.

You sound mad sir. Why are you hating on Azure's life decisions?

[Cid]

First, 2 minutes to zone? I have to call bullshit unless the dumbass had all the optional graphics on. I have an old comp on a half speed dialup connection (2.8kbps) and I zone in 20 seconds.

Second, if Nizzar cared about the entirety of the guild more than he did himself, he would have backed away and avoided anything that could even be mistaken as a leadership role. You can pull strings from the shadows and influence everything without being the figurehead. The ego and stupidity of a couple people caused this.


Also, Lite, if you really couldn't be in Azrael unless you are the Leader is kind of evidence that perhaps you shouldn't be Leader. Nothing personal, I think you are the right kind of person to be a Raid Leader, but you just don't seem to have the charisma that helps a shitload as a Guild Leader.
I was actually planning to join Azrael at one point, but changed my mind because of you. I spoke with Andis at length twice about joining and he told me I had to talk to you. The first two times I tried you didn't respond at all. The third time you did and like 4-5 mins into the conversation you asked me a question. Before I could answer the question you logged or switched toons.
You didn't say anything before you did it, didn't send me a tell from another toon, or even tell someone in TS to send me a tell. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and waited but you never got back on Lite or spoke another word to me.

If you had shown me a tiny measure of respect I would probably still be in Azrael and all the help and kindness I have shown would have been lavished on the guild twofold or more.

Riley would almost certainly have rejoined after the reforming that booted him, especially since he was the one pushing me to join. Add in our alt armies and you lost out on 17 or so 50+ toons, 6-7 of which are 60.
A charismatic person would have at least pretended a potential recruit was wanted and important and certainly show them common courtesy. That's how you inspire people and make them want to follow you.

I hated leading raids when I was a guild leader but I spent 90% of my free-time helping people from the newest recruit to the oldest member. I led by example and never asked anyone to do something I was not willing to do twice and inspired fierce loyalty and guild pride. Eventually selflessness inspires reverence, even from people over twice my age.

If you like being in charge, and especially admired, there is nothing on earth that can stroke your ego like reverence. If I ran into some old members on a different game, most would still drop everything to help me any way they could think of.

Work on being more charismatic and you will love the results, I promise.

[iiNGloriouS]

Cid can you keep posts to 1 paragraph? Trying to read inbetween commercials while I watch a tourny but I can't :/

[Cid]

I will try to cut back on the length, but I cannot promise anything. I am excessively wordy on forums out of habit, not necessity. The last one was actually quite short compared to most.

[Feniggles]

Love when people defend without the full undisclosed knowledge that some of us are privy to 8)

Magic the gathering is lame. =)

[Feniggles]

What guild is sickpuppy in, I got screenshots of him repeatedly hounding me to sell my sk to him for 800 dollars when I was level 24 or so

hahaha

[Sirken]

Magic the gathering is lame. =)

we briefly touched on the current r99 dramas AND Magic tonight!

- http://youtu.be/S8pahwY2TGo

[Feniggles]

that's why he's da emp 8)

you voted for yourself

[Feniggles]

we briefly touched on the current r99 dramas AND Magic tonight!

- http://youtu.be/S8pahwY2TGo

I'll have to watch your stream live sometime, normally im stuck at work

[Derubael]

Blue servers reaction to having women on stream: "neat, human beings

Red servers reaction to having women on stream: "RWARAWRGH VAGINA"

[iiNGloriouS]

I just feel like you should give Gyno his own 15 minute segment on your stream. As well as a 5 minute news report by Slathar and a 5 minute YT count by our sports fanatic Chuck or HB.

[Nocsucow]

Dude the red99 part of this stream is garbage. The two female co hosts complain about red players being mean and you can hear Derubael in the background mouthbreathing when they talk. And then some dude says, "Red99 might get wasted shortly." Well do it faggets.

Hope not I got a lot of plat invested into red

[Herb9]

i was QQing about land cards like a nerd.

makes me so mad when i draw all lands or zero lands.

Pile shuffle before every game.

[Tassador]

Red servers reaction to having women on stream: "RWARAWRGH VAGINA"

Fuck yah vagina!

[krazyGlue]

I was telling lite for months now that hb is toxic as fuck and a great player to have in azrael along side me and slather

[Genedin]

I could only listen to one stream a while ago where they had some random girl on talking about pvping in crushbone or some shit. Was so sad an awkward refuse to listen to any streams until they put people on there that are involved in the server.

[Kergan]

Pile shuffle before every game.

OJ SIGHTING

[Darwoth00]

Fought Nizzarr on Troriste back in November/December 2011, he zoned faster than I did fwiw. I think Elderan just exaggerating unintentionally, cus SSD definitely zones 2 or 3x as fast ingame, has no effect in forumquest tho where the real champs reside

[heartbrand]

Ya but that's to be expected when you're playing from a middle school library PC in between school lunch and recess

[Zalaerian]

Ya but that's to be expected when you're playing from a middle school library PC in between school lunch and recess

:D:D:D

[Darwoth00]

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/1f3258b49a635e28caba1be9ec5ec7c98e9f98c.gif

[heartbrand]

He's on suits now.

[Zalaerian]

Gr8 show. I can't help but think of bubbles when someone mentions agatha

[Eslade]

Derubael dirtnapped in this thread imo.

Well your opinion sucks imo.

[Sapphiay]

I missed the stream. The discussion was about the drama? And there is a second woman at the server?

[Sapphiay]

three woman :) sorry

[Mac Drettj]

Tree women

Rip

[LostCause]

turdy tree women and a few bears

[drilemcbit]

I think u all care 2 much

This makes to much sense

[Awwalike]

known liar, didn't read 1 word


edit: actually i LIED i read the TLDR


TLDR: I was the only one who was given the conditions of Nizzars release. We followed those conditions. GMs changed the conditions and disbanded Niihlum without warning.

spoken like a true ex-con

[drilemcbit]

Another guild destroyed by Heartbrand.

kek

[Sapphiay]

or someone else

[BeautBabeC]

Nizzar RMT's cheats trains blah blah blah, his followers blame others for his banning

[Swyft]

The only macroing I know of is the built in mouse/keyboard ones. Meaning you click on button on your mouse and it does keystroke 1,2,3,4 etc. I never knew that to be illegal though. Also I have never heard anyone botting. Maybe you are referring to my AFK leaderboard guys?

Dude like everything you say is a lie! LOL you gonna say you didn't know HPT was running and distributing MQ. And that the newer version wasn't still being used by a bunch of Nihilum members recently.

If it was common knowledge in other guilds how was it a secret to your own?

[HippoNipple]

If it was common knowledge in other guilds how was it a secret to your own?

It wasn't common knowledge that people were using macros to do tradeskills.

[mitic]

Interesting read

[Not Salem]

Love reading about Elderan getting perma banned for cheating haha alway knew that guy was scum

[Stasis01]

Mitics doing some light reading aka the last 3 months of threads.

[mitic]

What happened to tune btw, I rly liked him

[quido]

Tune joined a monastery and has forsaken Everquest in his sacred vows.

[Xaanka]

A lot of people have asked, so I will lay out there exactly what happened. I know the most about this because I am the one who talked with the GMs and have the most information.

Around May - Nizzar was banned for RMT. He had been caught selling 1-2 items to Sektors. Derubael wanted to perm ban Nizzar and disband the guild. I talked with Derubael for 2 hours about this. He was hard and fast on this and would not change his mind.

So then I talk to Sirken, he is much more reasonable. He agrees that they ban the account not the person. The only time they perm ban someone from every playing again is if they are running a website like platlord or some other extreme measure. All of Nizzars' accounts would be banned but he would be allowed to play here again and Nihilum would remain. I personally assured Sirken I would make sure it would not happen again. Sirken told me that Nizzar could not lead the guild. I asked what if he was leading raids in TS. He told me that they did not care as long as he was not the GM or an officer in game. We went over many examples of this and it was clear that as long as Nizzar was not GM or an officer in game it was fine. He then brought Derubael into the conversion and explained his decision. Derubael was not happen, but Sirken was head GM.

I was the ONLY person the GMs talked to about this. I am the ONLY one who knew about the conditions set out for us. These are the conditions I relayed to the guild. Not once did a GM EVER say these were not the conditions to me or any Nihilum officer after this point.

Fast forward to last week. Derubael pulls Nizzar aside out of the blue and bans him telling him because he was leading the guild and Niihlum is force disbanded. After a few conversations Derubael tells me that someone(heartbrand) submitted TS recordings of Nizzar leading raids. Derubael used that as evidence to ban/disband the guild and suspend all officers one month. I explain that was not the rules they set out for us. Derubael now says Nizzar could not even led raids in TS and that's why he disbanded Nihilum. I explained to him that #1 that wasn't the rules Sirken gave me. #2 what we do in TS is our business and not his. #3 a 5 minute conversation could have cleared this up, instead no GM wanted to. Derubael does not care, he finally got what he originally wanted.

TLDR: I was the only one who was given the conditions of Nizzars release. We followed those conditions. GMs changed the conditions and disbanded Niihlum without warning.

Lol look at this sad attempt to rules lawyer. Sounds like Nizzar was given some pretty clear instructions not to lead the guild, but ignored it anyway and tried to do it all offsite. The rules are that if you RMT, you get banned. He was very lucky to receive such light punishment.

#2 what we do in TS is our business and not his.

Not when it's directly affecting what goes on on p99. Sounds like a thinly veiled way to circumvent Deru and Sirken's intentions. This is pretty much how toddlers act when mommy and daddy put them on time out. Goo goo ga ga time for big daddy Derubael to change your shitty diapers.

#3 a 5 minute conversation could have cleared this up

Yes, because the proper response to someone who pissed away their second chance is to talk things through.

Nizzar should have been banned in the first place. His actions have made it very clear that Deru was right in the first place and Sirken was wrong to give him a second chance.

[harnold]

To clear this up for everyone, when the GMs said Nizzar was allowed to be officer in teamspeak, they meant that he could have officer rights to moderate the teamspeak channel. Leading a raid is still being an officer on Everquest.

[Vharvest]

Looks like you guys are down for the count

Heyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

FUCK this is the best reponse

[Xaanka]

To clear this up for everyone, when the GMs said Nizzar was allowed to be officer in teamspeak, they meant that he could have officer rights to moderate the teamspeak channel. Leading a raid is still being an officer on Everquest.

Looks like you guys are down for the count

Heyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

/thread

[LostCause]

who are you?

[Xaanka]

who are you?

Doesn't matter. I tell it like it is, no bullshit.

[Agatha]

the worst part about this whole thing was that a good portion of nihilum, all great guys had no clue that this was going on. some of these guys have been so scarred by what transpired, these guys, some of them still don't believe that this kinda shit was happening within nihilum. and the others are just so hurt by it they don't even dare show there faces anymore.

I knew before I even joined Nihilum was a shithole so when it all came crashing down I really wasn't effected, I left my officer position in azrael to join nihilum, knowing that it was a shit guild on the chance that it wouldn't be as shitty as azrael (i was right).

it was either quit or join nihilum. Didn't want the last year of time investment to waste and wanted to continue playing. turns out was one of the best decesions i have ever made i made some real good pals in nihilum.

[Tradesonred]

the worst part about this whole thing was that a good portion of nihilum, all great guys had no clue that this was going on. some of these guys have been so scarred by what transpired, these guys, some of them still don't believe that this kinda shit was happening within nihilum. and the others are just so hurt by it they don't even dare show there faces anymore.

I knew before I even joined Nihilum was a shithole so when it all came crashing down I really wasn't effected, I left my officer position in azrael to join nihilum, knowing that it was a shit guild on the chance that it wouldn't be as shitty as azrael (i was right).

it was either quit or join nihilum. Didn't want the last year of time investment to waste and wanted to continue playing. turns out was one of the best decesions i have ever made i made some real good pals in nihilum.

For real, Nihilum was pretty bad but many people to socialize with so i didnt give a fuck if terpentine was a moron, i hardly ever interacted with him and people like him. Whereas Azrael: Rellapse, Slathar, Lite, Eslade, Bamzal 24/7? Ouch.

[Barladore]

Ecoli so out of touch with reality... Also current/past azrael members.

[mitic]

I had a feeling about nizzars rmt but no proof so I kept playing everquest and let the others do the investigative work. And as we can see, everything comes out sooner or later.

Iam all for permanent ip bans when someone gets caught the very first time. Gms are way to friendly in this regards giving rmters a second chance and that's also the reason why rmt is still so rampant imo.

Wasn't nizzar in tmo on blue?

[LostCause]

i def had a idea it was going on but wasn't 100% sure after the disband i was proved wrong RIPRino

yes nizz was in TMO on blue before red.

[Eslade]

For real, Nihilum was pretty bad but many people to socialize with so i didnt give a fuck if terpentine was a moron, i hardly ever interacted with him and people like him. Whereas Azrael: Rellapse, Slathar, Lite, Eslade, Bamzal 24/7? Ouch.

lol. I'm not in azrael.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M7A_Bx9oZCs/UTkJI9Gf9QI/AAAAAAAAJP8/TOTLcUZk1oc/s1600/Kim-Kardashian-Jesus-Jimmies-Rustle.jpg

[Smedy]

there's some solid proof of mitics syndrome reaching new levels, can we get a young doctor on this case

[Kergan]

Don't ask don't tell.

Pixels for all who were touched by the Duke's light.

[runlvlzero]

OP is still a good read after all this time, come play on blue, we can talk about arts and crafts while we exp freely in guks loving safe embrace.

[Nirgon]

there's some solid proof of mitics syndrome reaching new levels, can we get a young doctor on this case

I tried to get him to reach out to the community and repent.

I'm a pixel dentist not a doctor gotdayumit.

[Elderan]

Love reading about Elderan getting perma banned for cheating haha alway knew that guy was scum


Not banned, never was. I am just playing a different game with my Nihilum friends.

[Eslade]

Not banned, never was. I am just playing a different game with my Nihilum friends.

Are you the first 60 there also?

[Gnomegrown]

first 60 in everquest live

what a fucking clown


epic proportions.

[heartbrand]

Not banned, never was. I am just playing a different game with my Nihilum friends.

same friends who threw you under the bus with the DKP tampering, wanted you gone, never made you an officer, constantly talked shit on you, etc.? just wonderin

[LulzSect]

same friends who threw you under the bus with the DKP tampering, wanted you gone, never made you an officer, constantly talked shit on you, etc.? just wonderin

http://www.csnchicago.com/sites/csnchicago/files/benny-rondo.gif

[mitic]

same friends who threw you under the bus with the DKP tampering, wanted you gone, never made you an officer, constantly talked shit on you, etc.? just wonderin

Same friends you came on your knees begging to be a member again after your red dawn failure.

[heartbrand]

Same friends you came on your knees begging to be a member again after your red dawn failure.

don't think I ever considered them my friends big dif :)

[LulzSect]

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4541747/phanattack.gif

[mitic]

don't think I ever considered them my friends big dif :)

Of course you did not. The only things you consider are your selfish interests.

[heartbrand]

ya I dont usually play video games to make RL friends, just to have fun & slay dragons

[LulzSect]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/757c28a99acde63fbf94d455d4561b21/tumblr_mwlmflPlLr1qkfwf2o1_500.gif

[Elderan]

same friends who threw you under the bus with the DKP tampering, wanted you gone, never made you an officer, constantly talked shit on you, etc.? just wonderin


Pretty sure those people are still playing p99 and not playing with us in Archeage. But I guess you never know.

Plus I am sure those same people were not happy I was ensuring Nizzar stayed in charge for as long as possible when in reality they wanted to take over leadership.

[magician]

Hell if my guild leader was selling loot out of bank that I helped acquire , I'd wann take over leadership to

[Gnomegrown]

Hell if my guild leader was selling loot out of bank that I helped acquire , I'd wann take over leadership to

he was, jokes on you

you and your clown friends got used for 2 years being strung along with the hopes of a 10% dkp ration for velious

only to lose it all

lul

[Kergan]

I do not feel victimized.

[Stasis01]

I feel bad for Nizzar, poor fella.

[Kergan]

I feel bad for Nizzar, poor fella.

I don't, he got a free computer.

[Stasis01]

His played was probably like 400 days, sure paid off.

[Kergan]

Lite confirmed higher play time than Nizz and Tune combined.

Do you feel bad for him too?

[Squire]

yes lol

http://users.content.ytmnd.com/b/b/8/bb8e04a10ab0934a9b417146dbe62243.jpg

[Genedin]

If you can play EQ then you realistically have:

Internet connection
A computer
Food/water/shelter
The ability to use a computer
Electricity

Based upon these facts I feel sorry for no one who plays this game.

[Eslade]

If you can play EQ then you realistically have:

A computer
Food/water
The ability to use a computer
Electricity

Based upon these facts I feel sorry for no one who plays this game.

Technically you could just post up at a McDonald's or Starbucks and leech that Wi-Fi until they kick you out.

[quido]

Or you could just eat a triple cheeseburger every 30 minutes like I do.

[baalzy]

Not banned, never was. I am just playing a different game with my Nihilum friends.

Can I have your stuff? I have no dog in this fight as I'm not allied to anyone on Red.

[Sirken]

we discussed the nizzar thing monday night -

http://youtu.be/xuGTEj-qGxg?t=51m24s

(skip to 51:21 if the link doesnt start u there)

[Nirgon]

Is this the REAL STORY? or is Sirken's!?

(lol)

[Clark]

youre not "The Count" plz remove that

[Drakaris]

I thank derubael for taking the time to explain this. The only inconsistency with this story was that nizzar went directly to rogean with sektors rmting of nihilum characters to get those accounts banned and in turn sektors got nizzar banned through yourself in retaliation.

There are several threads where sektors can be quoted saying nizzar snitched first.

Can you please confirm/deny this timeline or chain of events?

[Derubael]

I thank derubael for taking the time to explain this. The only inconsistency with this story was that nizzar went directly to rogean with sektors rmting of nihilum characters to get those accounts banned and in turn sektors got nizzar banned through yourself in retaliation.

There are several threads where sektors can be quoted saying nizzar snitched first.

Can you please confirm/deny this timeline or chain of events?

Rogean doesn't deal with RMT at all. If anything RMT related gets brought to his attention he just forwards it to me. That being said, I never got anything from Rogean related to Nizzar/Sektors, except a skype call a few months later confirming the reasons for Sektors name change/unban/epic rollback. I meticulously log everything I do (and encourage/beat the rest of the staff to do the same) so that it's easy to verify what's going on (in this case, I had a thread explaining the situation and the exact date it all took place, so all he had to do was point the event log to that day and confirm). I'm assuming that phonecall was a result of tinfoil hats spamming him with "ermagwahd deruballz korrupt!!11one" pms.

The Sektor account trading came in the form of a petition thread after Sektor had snitched. My assumption would be that Sektor bragged to the wrong person about giving up Nizzar info to the staff, who bragged to another wrong person, who bragged to another, etc etc until it reached Nizzar, who then snitched on Sektor. The timing was just too coincidental for it to be anything else.

[Stasis01]

Even if you burn out and quit tomorrow, taking out Nizzar was the biggest and best thing ever done to this place.

[Derubael]

Even if you burn out and quit tomorrow, taking out Nizzar was the biggest and best thing ever done to this place.

Will never quit chasing RMT/third party programs/exploiters/other "big time" violations, and will always be here to do database-required lookups or activities (like restoring poofed items). At worst, I'll take a break if it's needed. But I love both servers too much to simply stop (and I already balance a sufficiently busy RL with my p99 stuff so I don't see myself getting overwhelmed or "too busy" in the near future).

[Drakaris]

Will never quit chasing RMT/third party programs/exploiters/other "big time" violations, and will always be here to do database-required lookups or activities (like restoring poofed items). At worst, I'll take a break if it's needed. But I love both servers too much to simply stop (and I already balance a sufficiently busy RL with my p99 stuff so I don't see myself getting overwhelmed or "too busy" in the near future).

Out of interest, did you cross-check the other names in Sectors paypal transaction screen with previously registered Emu accounts?

You will find Sektors often manipulated players into selling their accounts/items to him on the cheap, so he is just as guilty as the person that made the sales. I know of at least 2 non-Nizzar transactions in that screenshot, 1 of which is of a player that has quit P1999 permanently.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Out of interest, did you cross-check the other names in Sectors paypal transaction screen with previously registered Emu accounts?

You will find Sektors often manipulated players into selling their accounts/items to him on the cheap, so he is just as guilty as the person that made the sales. I know of at least 2 non-Nizzar transactions in that screenshot, 1 of which is of a player that has quit P1999 permanently.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

^^

[Silent]

he was, jokes on you

you and your clown friends got used for 2 years being strung along with the hopes of a 10% dkp ration for velious

only to lose it all

lul

Wait, so I got a fully geared rogue with sow sword, some rbb/cof for my alts, extra donals/ss/mrylo/dw/es bp along with a full decked VP cleric robe/shroud etc PLUS a primal hammer on my shaman, a dmf robe/sw staff and all assortment of weapons from VP for other alts JUST so I could cling to hopes of velious dkp? Fuckkkk now that you mention it I wasted so much time and got no velious loot in return urrmmmmghhhawddd.

anyone who still thinks nizzar banked thousands of dollars selling nihilum guild loot is a stupid fucking idiot, and to top it off anyone who knows sektors knows he used to openly toss around cash to try and get X item and a lot of people took him up on his deals. Nizzar was guild leader of nihilum and he had many characters decked in best kunark gear alone, eventually even people who werent the GL/officers had items they didn't need that they either auctioned off for plat or traded away. When someone messages you nonstop for days while dropping jokes of 'haha ill give you $50 for that!' its going to happen.

tl;dr = if you think nizzar made vast $$$$s RMTing, you are blind or just in denial of some other major people on the server.

[Smedy]

tl;dr = if you think nizzar made vast $$$$s RMTing, you are blind or just in denial of some other major people on the server.

but if you think salem is using a packet lagger ultra complex nsa hax algorithm as he plays elf quest 1999 emulator you're actually spot on

cool story bergurgle

[mitic]

silent you should go check out blue r&f calabees post. he alone earned several k$ and he wasn't even in a top ally. i think the One whos blind is actually you.

[Silent]

Mitic I don't care if Nizzar made some money selling items, I just think people are retarded for thinking he ran some big massive RMT scheme and raked in thousands upon thousands of dollars. @smedy u keep taking words and mixing them 2 whatever u think u said to fit a post, u sure ur not high this time buddy

[Labanen]

he was, jokes on you

you and your clown friends got used for 2 years being strung along with the hopes of a 10% dkp ration for velious

only to lose it all

lul

We got abused so hard that we all got a bis char and a couple of epic / vp alts and redid all the zones from back when the game came out and as a bonus raped azrael or that equivalent flavour of the month guild occationally.

Anyway, im done here, for the time being anyway. Btw Archeage is pretty shitty too, is there anything else out there which is playable atm ?

[Eslade]

We got abused so hard that we all got a bis char and a couple of epic / vp alts and redid all the zones from back when the game came out and as a bonus raped azrael or that equivalent flavour of the month guild occationally.

Anyway, im done here, for the time being anyway. Btw Archeage is pretty shitty too, is there anything else out there which is playable atm ?

Yeah, try real life.

[Labanen]

Yeah, try real life.nah i spend too many hours in that already.

[Stasis01]

We got abused so hard that we all got a bis char and a couple of epic / vp alts and redid all the zones from back when the game came out and as a bonus raped azrael or that equivalent flavour of the month guild occationally.

Anyway, im done here, for the time being anyway. Btw Archeage is pretty shitty too, is there anything else out there which is playable atm ?

You didn't find it odd that he had 100% raid attendance over 3 years?

[Stasis01]

Sry I was actually referring to Jupes post.