Blast of Poison WRONG!!!!!!

[Burgerking]

This is what you have Blast of Poison listed as

http://wiki.project1999.com/Blast_of_Poison

Where did you guys get this info from. I mean come on guys just go to Zam's when you don't know a spell. This is the shamans ONLY good nuke EVER and you have it all jacked up. You got the dmg set 178 pts lower than it should be and full second added onto it it's cast time.

I played a Shaman on live and pvp'd all the time with one THIS is what the spell should be.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1429#Dropped_By

Cmon guys don't launch the spell like this when it's the most crucial pvp spell of the entire shaman line. Don't make us wait 3 years to see it fixed because someone didn't even look at zams before implementing pls guys pls!

[Daldaen]

So are you basing this post off wiki only? Or did you actually log into beta and test it?

Wiki looks right:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=1429&source=Live

2005-05-09 19:12 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 352 (L44) to 360 (L47)" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 346 (L42) to 360 (L47)"
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Casting Time from 4.5 seconds to 3.5 seconds

[Technique]

Yeah, the wiki's right (for a change) and so is the spell on beta.

Although there's one discrepancy in the trilogy spdat that isn't in p99's spell file:Blast of Poison

Damage Shield by 0 (L44)
Decrease Hit Points (HP) from 372 (L44) to 400 (L54)
Lucy history shows that the damage shield component was later removed:2003-06-11 11:12 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Damage Shield by 0" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 372 (L44) to 400 (L53)"No idea if this anomaly had any practical effect.

[Burgerking]

Great gonna get screwed cuz lucy is wrong, not the first time this happens. Also lists Tigir's as rolling vs magic when it add's disease counters. Which as anyone knows anything that add's counters rolls off that resist. I tested tigirs on live definitely was always disease, we use it on raids with shaman often dying to drop tigirs when mob was too high in mr.

I also used it in pvp vs melee's if it was mr it would have never landed. Not to mention it added a crapton of counters with I.decay making it impossible for someone to cure off with disease dots stacked.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1589

F'ing Lucy 90% of my kills were from Poison Blast if it was 4.5 400 dmg thats 256 dmg pvp lol would never cast a spell that bad, and I never played past 2005. Wow was out by then and I started playing WoW the day it launched and never returned to EQ.

[Byrjun]

Burgerking I'm assuming you didn't play in classic, that comment about Tigir's Insects is very telling.

All slow spells are MR based, disease based slows weren't introduced until Luclin and Planes of Power. At some point (pretty sure post-Velious), you could cure any slow with Cure Disease, even the MR based slows. However in classic, slows do not have disease counters and can only be removed with the dispel line.

Tigir's was always a Magic Resist check, it's removed with dispel in classic and cure disease post-classic. Same with Turgur's and the rest.

Regarding Poison Blast, I don't remember using it much in Velious but I wasn't on a pvp server. However, a lot of spells have changed over the years, and I'd trust the spdat from the expansion CDs and Lucy's spell history over someone who thinks Tigir's Insects should check versus disease.

[Daldaen]

Sigh... You're wrong dude.

Lucy's archive is very accurate. Those changes are correct. It got better in later spell revamps.

Shamans first disease slow was Plague of Insects. That's Luclin.

Just because it has disease counters doesn't make it disease based. Tash gets poison counters eventually. Doesn't mean it's poison.

Counters were added so that those spells, which are stupidly OP until they mitigate slow, have additional aggro and so that in PVP you may cure them and not Dispell them.

[Thulack]

This is what you have Blast of Poison listed as

http://wiki.project1999.com/Blast_of_Poison

Where did you guys get this info from. I mean come on guys just go to Zam's when you don't know a spell. This is the shamans ONLY good nuke EVER and you have it all jacked up. You got the dmg set 178 pts lower than it should be and full second added onto it it's cast time.

I played a Shaman on live and pvp'd all the time with one THIS is what the spell should be.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1429#Dropped_By

Cmon guys don't launch the spell like this when it's the most crucial pvp spell of the entire shaman line. Don't make us wait 3 years to see it fixed because someone didn't even look at zams before implementing pls guys pls!


You do realize almost every spell has changed since classic either in spell data or at what level the spell is given...Alla's is wrong to use for classic purposes unless you can get wayback machine versions from 99-01

[Ele]

Wiki is player maintained and is not necessarily a reflection of what actually exists in game. The Devs do not update the Wiki to what is available in game. The players must go back and update it. It usually pulls the current information from Zam as a starting point, then requires classical updating.

[Daldaen]

You do realize almost every spell has changed since classic either in spell data or at what level the spell is given...Alla's is wrong to use for classic purposes unless you can get wayback machine versions from 99-01

Never use Alla to prove a spell classic.

Lucy/Allakhazam didn't start parsing spell data until March of 2002. The only use of Lucy for classic fixes is to state "during Luclin it was like this".

Caster's Realm, Everlore and Class Boards are where you should seek out spell data for Classic-Velious.

[Technique]

P99's spell files are based on historical spdats. Lucy was cited in this thread only to corroborate what's found in an actual Velious-era spdat.

And the pre-Luclin shaman slows weren't given disease counters until Luclin, and remain MR to this day. This was already discussed here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48494). Slows that save vs. disease weren't introduced until after Velious.

Burger's got his timeline seriously confused.