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KZIMM
09-28-2010, 04:10 PM
Coming up on level 13 as a warrior and I'm looking to get into some proccing 1H weapons. I've seen there a few options out there, but I'm unsure of what the proc. levels are. They're listed on Allakhazam, but is this information accurate for p99?

The items in question are the Gnoll Hide Lariat, Tentacle Whip, and Obsidian Shard. The obsidian shard is out of my price range for now, but in what order could these be rated for agro abilities?

Sidenote: Is there any reason for me to keep my 2HB skill up?

Karnek
09-28-2010, 05:04 PM
Don't bother with the gnoll hide lariat, it is terrible. You could grab a polished granite tomahawk and that is a decent starter weapon (procs at 10). I bought one for 50pp. Tentacle whip is pretty bad on agro since proc is just a lifetap and low damage at that. Obsidian Shard is pretty much the goto agro weapon I have seen until 37 when people try to pick up Yaks (0 sec stun proc).

Noselacri
09-28-2010, 05:16 PM
Use a PGT until about level 20, with an O-shard in secondary. Then switch to two shards and use these until you can get SSoYs. These are the only really viable and easily attainable options. Forget Lariats, they suck and won't proc until level 25 anyway.

As for 2HB, I don't think there are any good ones at this point, but there are in Kunark and Velious. You could wait until then, but training a weapon skill from scratch at high level is a huge drag, especially the 2H ones.

Dantes
09-28-2010, 05:43 PM
If you can't afford the Obsidian Shard, go with a PGT / Shield of the Slain Unicorn. It's cheap (or people give it away) and you'll get some piercing practice in. Hitting for 20 with your offhand aint bad, plus the extra AC is nice. In comparison to the other cheap offhand weapons you could equip, it's actually pretty nice.

Save all the plat you can for that first shard.

Tronjer
09-28-2010, 07:53 PM
Warrior 1H Weapon Guide:

Level 1-16
If you're a adventurous and patient enough, camp a rotting Painbringer at SolB zone in. It's the best low-level aggro weapon to get - just take into consideration that the proc has a small ae range.

Level 16-37
Obsidian Shards are the way to go. If you can't afford 2 already, take PGT or Painbringer (if no cc in group) offhand.

Level 37+
Drop Obsidian Shards for Yaks, as with every Level it will become harder to hold aggro over melees. From 40 up it's always impossible to out aggro monks and rogues without Ykesha proc.

There are no other pre plane 1H weapons to consider in regard to aggro. Everything else would be a waste of money.

fastboy21
09-28-2010, 08:01 PM
I've had good results with the Axe of Slayers...pretty much a giant pgt. I would say my aggro with the axe is as good or better than with two obsidian shards. once high enough lvl to proc them, as said above, get some ssoys.

username17
09-28-2010, 08:03 PM
How is Painbringer a level 1 - 16 weapon?
It doesn't proc until 35.

For a very basic weapon, you can quest for a 6/26 dwarven 1h axe.
Get the Brass Earring (2ac) off the Taskmaster in Crushbone. Turn it in to a dwarf slave and turn the note you receive into Haldin in BBM.
On my first try I got the axe, subsuquent tries got me bronze weapons.

Tronjer
09-28-2010, 08:46 PM
Painbringer proc is flagged as level 0.

username17
09-28-2010, 08:50 PM
Ahh, Lucy had it at 35 from the beginning.
But the history data showed that it wasn't added until 2003.

The posters on Allah call it the Trainbringer because apparently it will aggro mobs through walls. Crazy

Dantes
09-29-2010, 12:35 AM
Low level groups don't usually have crowd control anyway.

username17
09-29-2010, 04:45 AM
I just finished my screaming mace quest not half an hour ago.
I think that's a great lowbie proc weapon. It doesn't damage the mob, but it buffs you.

Noselacri
09-29-2010, 06:06 AM
It doesn't really generate any aggro, though, and the ratio isn't very good. It's certainly fine if you're upgrading from short sword*, but it's fairly easy to get even cheap non-proc weapons with reasonable ratios like dwarven axe or dragoon dirk.

Let me advocate PGT again. This is the way to go until level 20, and possibly even a little further. The proc makes a very noticeable difference in your survivability up until then, and you can even solo to 20 with it if the rest of your gear isn't terrible. On top of that, the proc is decent aggro with the added benefit if being AoE aggro that doesn't break CC or aggro nearby neutral mobs. It functions sort of like healing someone: you get aggro with everything currently fighting you, even thought he proc itself doesn't directly affect the mobs. I found myself occasionally using it even well into my 20s, because warriors are notoriously bad at holding more than one mob, but if people assist properly and don't use AoE spells recklessly, you can manage just fine with an early proc or two. Then it gradually becomes less useful as the absorb shield doesn't scale as fast as mob damage and you need more and more aggro generation to hold aggro from DPS classes. The shard's proc does generate more aggro on the one target you apply it to.

Tronjer
09-29-2010, 06:50 AM
2H weapons are an alternatively route for low-level warriors, who don't want to camp Painbringer or can't afford Obsidian Shards outright at level 16. To paraphrase it: there is no reason to care about 1H and dual-wield before you can acquire those Shards or at least a PB. PGT procs sort of a "mini rune" but the aggro mod is subpar to obsidian shatter. So if you purchase one, rather put it off hand.

That said, for 2H weapons are two points to ponder. First, there is a damage cap of 20 up to level 10, and 40 from level 10-20. Second, you won't get more than 2x weapon base damage until level 20. That renders weapons with high damage/delay, like Executioners Axe, almost as useless as a bronze sword, and Axe of the Slayers doesn't proc below level 30.

Stanlei
09-29-2010, 07:12 AM
The best weapon for a newbie warrior is the EC tunnel + your best begging hat. Go ask the closest mage for a damage shield and run up with your fists blazing! Seems to work great till about 15. To all you mages out there, your welcome for this post :D

Estu
09-29-2010, 09:23 AM
So which of these weapons start proccing at what levels? I'm finding online that Obsidian Shard procs at 16 and PGT at 10 - is this correct? Also, the PGT proc is just a self-buff+self-debuff; does that generate noticeable aggro?

Say I'm a level 9 or a level 15 warrior in Crushbone. What are my options for drawing aggro? It sounds from this thread like up to 10 I should just rely on DPS, up to 16 I should rely on PGT, and after that I can use obsidian shards. TBH I'm liking the tentacle whip for 1-9 since the lifetap effect is noticeable then, even if it doesn't draw much extra aggro and the base DPS of the weapon is low; I plan to pump a lot of dex on my warrior early on.

Also, with regard to dual wielding: are offhand weapons less likely to proc just because you're less likely to hit with them, or do they proc less per hit as well? When you have dual wield mastered, how often do you hit with your offhand?

Bubbles
09-29-2010, 09:38 AM
Its been stated many times on these forums that your main hand is gonna proc 2x as much as your offhand. Whether that is due to your dual wield checks or not I couldn't tell you, just know that that 2:1 is the rough ratio.

As for drawing "aggro" in crushbone at 9, the warrior and ranger and rogue are all gonna have somewhat similar ac/hps/evasion, and none of the 3 are getting complete healed, so it's not a huge concern.

And yeah, you're right, the lifetap whip is essentially EQ godmode levels 1-10, enjoy it while it lasts. It's my favorite weapon to give out in greater faydark by far :).

azeth
09-29-2010, 09:45 AM
Polished Granite Tomahawk works well due to the proc being a rune which draws immense aggro. If I were starting a non twink warrior, funding myself solely through drops and /random in groups, I'd buy a PGT asap.

However, like everyone else has identified Obsidian Shards are definitely what you're shooting for until you either save 9k for a yak or win one.

Noselacri
09-29-2010, 10:06 AM
Well, I wouldn't call it immense aggro, but it's a fairly decent amount and it applies to all the mobs you're fighting, whether or not they're currently hitting you. And in places like Crushbone, the PGT proc usually absorbs several hits; I was able to tank without any healing whatsoever as long as it was one mob at a time. Even if the aggro from the proc is somewhat less than that of O-shard on a single mob, the absorb makes it far better until upwards of level 20, plus the fact that it's AoE aggro at a time when crowd control generally doesn't happen. You also need far less aggro in general at those levels because your DPS isn't significantly worse than the actual DPS classes, and because people don't die in five seconds if they take aggro.

azeth
09-29-2010, 10:15 AM
but it's a fairly decent amount and it applies to all the mobs you're fighting, whether or not they're currently hitting you.

main selling point in my opinion

fastboy21
09-29-2010, 11:26 AM
I just finished my screaming mace quest not half an hour ago.
I think that's a great lowbie proc weapon. It doesn't damage the mob, but it buffs you.

and you'll stink at holding aggro, because it isn't an aggro proc.

Estu
09-29-2010, 11:32 AM
When do Yaks start proccing? Allakhazaam says 37 - is this correct? Should I basically be going with obsidian shards and PGTs until then?

Dantes
09-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Yes, that's correct. Most of the proc levels listed there are correct, aside from the Painbringer.

I'll throw another vote out for the PGT. I sort of thought all of that Rune proc aggro was a myth, until I was in a group in lower guk and swapped out my 2 x Obsidian Shards for the Axe of the Slayers. I'm a believer now.

Go with a PGT + anything for now. Get Obsidian Shards when you can afford them, and yaks by 37 if you can. And when/if you are in the market for a 2H get an Axe of the Slayers, it doesn't proc until 30 so no rush.

Yoite
09-29-2010, 12:34 PM
I've mentioned this before in a different thread but i main tanked and held agro from 30-45 using axe of the slayers. the 2h dmg and double attacks + rune procs was enough for me to hold agro in any grp setup, didnt matter if it was bunch of casters or bunch of melees. granted i didnt usually grp with bad players that would be on the wrong target or would break mes before i told them i had agro on it

btw, to get agro on a mes target before attacking it so it doesnt jump on your enchanter, taunt, sit, taunt, sit, then attack.

Stickybuds finally has a yak so i use it and various different offhands until i can acquire a 2nd yak but the yak is the best for agro by far. 1 yak proc and your golden for the rest of that battle.

Tronjer
09-29-2010, 06:28 PM
Stickybuds finally has a Yak so i use it and various different offhands until i can acquire a 2nd yak but the yak is the best for agro by far. 1 yak proc and your golden for the rest of that battle.

I camped my second yak and two more for a guildie. Lord is not the most crowded spot in Guk and I found it always free - even though it was outside US primetime. Just needs a group of friends, willing to invest some hours of their spare time for you. A 50 warrior can do this with cleric and another dd.

But interesting to hear that Axe of the Slayers actually can hold aggro up to level 45. I never got one of those.

DekThai
09-29-2010, 07:07 PM
I got lvl 18 Ogre warrior and I'm using PGT and OS, I LOVE IT! Very good combo. But I noticed that PGT started to scale down a bit due to dmg absorption being out damaged by mob.

But from lvl 10 till now, when I soloed and it procs dmg absorption and heals you at the same time. Imagine it procs several times. Sometimes I just hit light blue mobs just to heal myself because it procs a lot on lower lvl mob.