Class sub-forums.. [Archive]

Lazortag

10-05-2010, 11:31 PM

So uh, are these ever gonna happen? I actually think it's important for the server, since there needs to be a centralized location where people can get information on a class, rather than having such threads get lost in server chat. This is especially needed for classes that are different from how they were on live (such as Bards). I also think that people would post more class strategies if they knew that their posts were more likely to be read.

These were talked about a while ago, and I don't recall there being much opposition to it, so I'm bringing it up again.

Lazortag

10-07-2010, 11:55 AM

Bump. Not to be annoying but I'd like to know if this is going to happen or not.

Nazran

10-07-2010, 12:06 PM

I think this is a great idea.

Tananthalas

10-07-2010, 12:08 PM

Maybe do a hybrid, melee, caster forum subs and have threads on whatever. I think that many forums might be excessive.

Dantes

10-07-2010, 01:48 PM

Fawqueue

10-07-2010, 01:51 PM

I have to agree, I think having sections for each of the classes would be a great way to compile all the ideas, suggestions, and questions into one place for new/returning players. Instead of of the constant "What should I get for this" or "where to level" threads in general, we could just sticky gear and hunting guides where it's accessible. I hope this happens.

yt2005

10-07-2010, 02:01 PM

Mcbard

10-07-2010, 02:36 PM

I love this idea.

Perhaps if it won't be done here we could create dedicated class forums like we used to have on live (steelwarrior, eqdiva, eqnecro etc. etc.), although there might not be enough traffic to really warrant such sites?

Lazortag

10-07-2010, 10:17 PM

Every time one of these gets posted, I reply and say "Yeah that's an awesome idea." And then somebody is like "Too many forums would be excessive." And then I say... "They can keep things tidy by putting all of the class forums inside of a sub-forum."

And then we don't get class specific forums made :(

Exactly. Also, although I prefer each class having its own forum, I think that separating things into hybrid/melee/caster is fine too and definitely preferable to what we have now, where people have to search for pages to find even the slightest bit of wisdom about their class because it gets lost in the clutter so easily. That or they just post another redundant thread asking about their class, which is also bad for the forum. Basically this gives a centralized location for class information that's classic and doesn't require gambling with some other website.

Dregs

10-07-2010, 10:33 PM

I like this, but not necessarily broken down into hybrid/melee/caster. For example, War/Pal/SK have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of their respective hybrid/melee groups and would probably be better served by having a "tank" subforum if you were going to lump classes together :p

Dantes

10-08-2010, 12:16 PM

Yeah. Let's break it down like this... Tank/Healer/DPS/Useless. :D

Droop

10-08-2010, 01:23 PM

Yeah. Let's break it down like this... Tank/Healer/DPS/Useless. :D

Why do rangers get their own forum? Not fair :(

Hottas

10-08-2010, 02:58 PM

I agree as well. I think this would be very useful.

It would be great to have a place to go to discuss P1999 game realities. Trying to use EQZAM for example is EXTREMELY frustrating as so many items, quests, etc... are not the same or offered on P1999. This would be a great place to get the facts for our cool server.

Lazortag

10-08-2010, 03:16 PM

Also, put it this way: there are at least two threads containing Bardly (the only class I really know anything about) advice that I would post if this were implemented, and that I see no point in posting under the current arrangement because they'd too easily get lost in server chat.

I also think it's good because it reinvigorates the community at a time where most people have school, work, or are otherwise just busier than they were during the summer.

And not to mention it adds to the (perceived) legitimacy of the server, because now people aren't going to run around screaming about Bards not being able to AOE kite (for example) when in fact there's a thread explaining that it's possible. Lots of people in-game have sent me tells asking me if AOE kiting is possible, only for me to tell them to look up Cribanox's thread. This wouldn't even be necessary if people knew to go to the "Bard forum" and check out the threads in there. Also, what happens if new players ask someone who doesn't know what they're talking about? Or what if they're shy and just don't ask anyone, and forever have the idea that this project doesn't truly emulate the way things were back in the day? Or worse, what if they reroll their character because of the aforementioned assumption (something a surprising number of people have done with Bards, and I'm sure other classes as well)?

These concerns don't just apply to Bards. What if you're a pet class who, like many others, is completely unaware of how to get pets to break mez, or how to call off pets that unintentionally break mez? Maybe these players won't go to the extreme step of abandoning their character, but they'll still be less skilled players, which is a problem that this proposal at least partially solves.

Even if you're not that convinced of the impact of the benefits people have mentioned in this thread, you should at least be able to see that there are many small benefits. So please, implement this, or at least give us a dev response as to why we shouldn't.

neem

10-08-2010, 05:26 PM

yessss pleeaaassse

kinztz

10-08-2010, 05:27 PM

+1, can't harm anything.

Lazortag

10-09-2010, 11:21 PM

Friendly bump. Just looking for a response from someone up top.

Strap

10-10-2010, 11:54 PM

I'd like to see this as well

Tappin

10-11-2010, 10:27 AM

No reason not to have this, imo.

Extunarian

10-11-2010, 12:53 PM

I think I've read and commented in just about every iteration of these threads. I still have yet to see any server staff reply. I'm starting to think it's their way of saying no.

I do support class-specific forums, and I hope we could at least get them when Kunark comes out. With such a large expansion of content I'm sure there will be class items or quests that I would miss if people didn't have a place to discuss them.

Dantes

10-11-2010, 01:18 PM

Actually Rogean chimed in on the last thread about this, he said it might be something to consider. I think as more of these threads pop up, the need for class forums will become more evident.

For me it's just hard to locate specific threads for my class. Often times I will recall a thread about how taunt works or otherwise, but I have to wade through "server chat" forum to find it or hope the search tool works properly. Forum search would be much easier if I could just browse a Warrior forum or filter my search by forum and choose the class I am searching for. When I start a new class, if I do a search for that specific class here to find details - I get mixed results that aren't always helpful.

I could also see a lot of threads becoming stickied in class specific forums that otherwise would not be in the general server chat forum. I think the forum audience is large enough to support it, and in the long run it's a better way to sort the data.

Belleraphone

10-11-2010, 11:34 PM

I support this too, don't see how it could even do any harm.

Tork

10-12-2010, 12:20 AM

I do not support - too many subforums often dilute forum activity.

Active forums generate interest, which generates more traffic - which keeps the playerbase engaged.

Tappin

10-14-2010, 02:19 AM

I do not support - too many subforums often dilute forum activity.

Active forums generate interest, which generates more traffic - which keeps the playerbase engaged.

True. But class forums would do anything but drive people away. If anything it would do the opposite. Many times I come here looking for specific information regarding druid and can't find it and I'd rather not start a thread for a noobish question in a forum that covers many other topics.

So I end up taking my browser elsewhere, when it could be here, receiving multiple views and replies... of course thats the idea.

I still wish we could add this! BUMP!

Taluvill

10-14-2010, 02:38 AM

I want it. I have a Druid guide that I wrote up for a guild I used to be in that I want to post there. I also want to get feedback from community druids to see how we can make it the best possible guide to help druids do whatever it is that they need to do. I dont want to post it here for the small fact that it may get lost in the clutter, and there is no where to put it.

My only question is that is there a limit to forums/subforums for how much you pay to V-Bulletin? Because if so, that may be holding us back.

Edit: The other thing is that, if the guides are good, and I'm sure a lot of them will be tailored to P99, it will keep more forum activity here, and bring more in on the sole fact that they can stay here to get their guides and shoot the shit about why rangers suck, ect ect.

halbar

10-14-2010, 02:45 AM

You could also post guides on the wiki.

Taluvill

10-14-2010, 02:46 AM

You could also post guides on the wiki.

Possible....

WTB Class subforums. No offense, just easier and more consolidated here

I think I've read and commented in just about every iteration of these threads. I still have yet to see any server staff reply. I'm starting to think it's their way of saying no.

I do support class-specific forums, and I hope we could at least get them when Kunark comes out. With such a large expansion of content I'm sure there will be class items or quests that I would miss if people didn't have a place to discuss them.

I want to see them before Kunark, on the basis that It's probably not coming soon. I know its being worked upon daily and its 100x better to do it right and get it right as we only have one kunark launch. I just think it'll give us more time to shoot the shit and keep people on the forums more in the "dark zone" of time before kunark release and some are saying fuck it till release.

Henini

10-14-2010, 10:11 AM

Why do rangers get their own forum? Not fair :(

^^ this

bump, class forums would be great!

maestrom

10-14-2010, 10:51 AM

This would be pretty sweet. I know everyone already knows everything there is to know about this game but class forums would be a great place for those with memory issues (it's been 10 years you know...) to ask class related questions without spamming the heck out of other forums.

Lazortag

10-14-2010, 11:41 AM

I do not support - too many subforums often dilute forum activity.

Active forums generate interest, which generates more traffic - which keeps the playerbase engaged.

In this case server chat is actually TOO active for anyone to reliably read, so the wrong threads get the most traffic.

Honestly it wouldn't be hard to just make several subforums that you have to click on a larger forum to be able to see. It doesn't have to be for *every* class since a lot of class discussion is related to other similar classes. Just do Tank/Hybrid/Priest/Caster/DPS, for example. You could have a description under "Tank" that says "Discussion about Warriors, Paladins, and Shadow Knights", under Hybrid that says "Discussion about Bards and Rangers", Priests can be Shamans/Clerics/Druids, Casters are Enchanters/Mages/Necros/Wizards, DPS is Monk/Rogue. I'm willing to take one for the team and have Bards in the same forums as rangers. It makes my stomach turn a little but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to have class sub-forums.

People can quibble all they want over the exact makeup of it, but really I don't mind leaving it to the discretion of the devs. I just want it done because it's so obviously a good idea.

edit: on that note, on wikipedia the breakdown is Tanks, Damage Dealers, Casters, Crowd Control/Utility, and Healers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everquest#Classes). Although I'm a little surprised that rangers are included under damage dealers since they primarily tend to be damage takers.
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edit2: Also this page (http://moestaverne.com/p1999wiki/index.php/Character_Classes) has the breakdown as "Knights" (ugh), "Priests", "Melee", "Casters". Rename Knights to Tanks and that would be good too.

Tol

10-14-2010, 11:44 AM

I want these so much, people could contribute threads of spell listings/cost/locations, common gear, and other useful class info threads so we dont have to hunt all over the internet of 10 years ago to find that stuff.

Ravhin

10-14-2010, 12:20 PM

Kava

10-14-2010, 12:24 PM

PEW PEW PEW

Duie

10-14-2010, 12:36 PM

"Although I'm a little surprised that rangers are included under damage dealers "

A Ranger is no difrent than i healer that heals too early or a Caster w/o a damage regulator. Rangers can and do do a ton of damage. the problem is that most have not figured out how to slow that damage down OR to stay back behind the tank .

username17

10-14-2010, 12:42 PM

Class subforums by role would be valuable.

As Lazortag said above.
A tank Forum for Warrior/SK/Paladin. A Priest forum for Cleric/Shaman/Druid, a Melee DPS forum for Rogue/Monk, Caster for Mage/Necro/Wizard/Enchanter, and Hybrid for Bard/Ranger.
Could might be able to fit Bard/Ranger under melee dps to simplify things.

Dantes

10-14-2010, 01:45 PM

I think the best way to do it would just be to go all out and create 14 forums, one for each class. As somebody already mentioned, if you create them as a sub-forum "Class Specific Forums," you don't have to clutter the index with 14 more forums. The goal of adding more forums is to be able to better organize your data. Using the tank/caster/hybrid/healer thing would only be a half-assed step in the right direction. You may as well go all-out.

There's more than enough traffic and users here to support it.

Mcbard

10-14-2010, 02:09 PM

Has this been officially commented on by one of the admins and I just don't see it?

Perhaps there is a better forum to place this request in so that it can be acknowledged and get their opinions on why/why not to do this?

Tappin

10-14-2010, 02:52 PM

I'm still for this. lets get a poll going!

Taluvill, PM me that druid guide! :)

Taluvill

10-14-2010, 02:53 PM

edit2: Also this page (http://moestaverne.com/p1999wiki/index.php/Character_Classes) has the breakdown as "Knights" (ugh), "Priests", "Melee", "Casters". Rename Knights to Tanks and that would be good too.

This.

And As someone said above, I'll be contributing everything I can manage to make the druid part the best it can be, spells, information, where to do things, How to _____ Videos, etc.

I'm still for this. lets get a poll going!

Taluvill, PM me that druid guide! :)

It's like 5 pages yo. and I need to finish the quad kiting section before anyone see's it lol.

laughinghorse

10-14-2010, 03:42 PM

This would be a huge improvement to the forums. I know the P99 wiki is off to a (insert yer own adjective) start and could technically host this, but for now, this info batch needs its own arena and would be easiestly(word?haha) Handled here.
Any good reasons why not?

Tappin

10-14-2010, 03:46 PM

It's like 5 pages yo. and I need to finish the quad kiting section before anyone see's it lol.

NOMZOZNONOMZ... can't wait.

Taluvill

10-14-2010, 10:24 PM

Bump for great justice.

Truheart

10-15-2010, 12:09 PM

i like this idea if it is possible and not a burden on the developers. i would even volunteer to monitor the wisdom casters forum if needed.

Extunarian

10-15-2010, 04:59 PM

I've got a fever, and the only prescription is class specific sub forums.

SirAlvarex

10-15-2010, 05:36 PM

I agree with the idea of "Subclass" forums of "Tanks/Priests/Casters/Melee DPS."

Then, grab a few forum moderators to monitor those forums so the devs don't have to, and then we'll be in good shape.

Tappin

10-15-2010, 11:01 PM

I've got a fever, and the only prescription is class specific sub forums.

Do you want this poor man to die, devs? Can you sleep at night knowing he suffers?

Jozsef

10-16-2010, 12:28 AM

I agree! DO WANT class forums!

AgentGenX

10-16-2010, 12:38 AM

I want my first post on here to say: I want class sub-forums!!

Tappin

10-17-2010, 12:31 PM

Bump... FOR CLASS FORUMS!

Extunarian

10-18-2010, 02:26 PM

I blame fourthmeal for making this fall off the front page.

Think outside the catch-all server chat forum.

Lazortag

10-19-2010, 01:28 AM

I'm a little surprised because I don't see how this can be anything but good for the forums. At first glance it seems like the forums are just (a) Fourthmeal spamming (don't get me wrong, I <3 Fourthmeal) (b) people bitching (c) people flaming eachother. I realize there's more to the forums than this but I still think that something which encourages discussion about the game and is especially in demand for a classic server is just clearly a good thing. Most threads that go on for this many pages end up being circular arguments/guild drama/etc., yet this is a 6 page long thread of people mostly agreeing with each other. I think that alone proves how good of an idea this is.

Lagaidh

10-19-2010, 08:33 AM

Yes.

Ploppy

10-19-2010, 09:19 AM

I know I would be happy to have a forum to talk to other warriors about pulling strategies, tank exchanges, etc....

cepheusei

10-19-2010, 09:27 AM

This would be really cool. The wiki is a thing that is good but a way to discuss class specific issues would be awesome.

quellren

10-19-2010, 09:40 AM

The more I think about this, the more I think maybe it might be a good thing.
I agree there wouldn't likely be much topic turnover, but having a place to dump class knowledge would be inarguably positive for new players, or even old players trying a new class, a la the super awesome Bard Kiting thread. Even If it was just a collection of how-to's and little discussion, it would prevent the ever present FoTM questions on the server chat page.
I suppose you could argue that this might stagnate every other forum, but I say it beats the twice a month 'What's good <class> gear?' thread, and the subsequent 17 nerd-raged 'Do a %&*ing search, noob' posts. I myself am sad that I can't seem to find that thread when I want it. A sticky post in each class forum of the typical gear choices (for that class) would be pretty sweet.
So would a basic overview of 'L2P'. I met a bard the other day who proclaimed that twisting was too much work and letting 'Whistling Warsong' roll on uninterrupted while he melee'd was contribution enough.

Lazortag

10-19-2010, 12:49 PM

This would be really cool. The wiki is a thing that is good but a way to discuss class specific issues would be awesome.

Yeah, neither the wiki nor any other source allow you to actually discuss class related issues. The forum allows for some back-and-forth.

Dantes

10-19-2010, 12:56 PM

The problem I see with the WIKI is that it's not integrated. People forget it exists. It's just another URL you have to get people to bookmark. If they don't use it, it's useless. But tons of people are already here on project1999.org - so you may as well make the class forums where the audience already exists.

Sethius

10-19-2010, 01:16 PM

Yeah, neither the wiki nor any other source allow you to actually discuss class related issues. The forum allows for some back-and-forth.

I actually support class forums in a way, but I'm cautious that they would water down the usage of the current forums and cause the forums to feel stagnant. During the day there is not a ton of posts as it is (outside of the several Fourthmeal threads that constantly pop up about taco bell and peeing in peoples mouths).

That being said, EQ is 11 years old, I'm fairly certain all class related issues we could discuss would be a rehash of something that's already been beaten to death (except for a caveat I'll mention below). The wiki would be a better place, I think, to post all of this rehashed information, and we would get the refined end result of the rehashing rather than the gory horse meat. I, for one, want to be able to find acurate info (like wowhead for EQ) without going through a forum.

On that note, wowhead does allow users to post info on each entry for further information in a forum style which might satiate peoples need to discuss class based (and all sorts of other in-game topics) in a focused way. At least that would mostly keep the info on topic if each post was assigned to a particular facet of EQ and the discussions branched out from there. A hybrid of the wiki and wowhead (that is integrated with the P99 site somehow) might suit our needs here?

As for the caveat, P99 does have some bugs and differences that didn't exist in live, and thus have not been chomped on like the coarse hairy meat of a horse. These are the types of things that class forums would be good for, but I'm not sure there is enough differences to warrant class forums and not just post this kind of stuff in the bugs forum. After all, anything that is different than live would likely be considered a bug (even if it cannot be fixed here for any number of reasons).

Ishio

10-19-2010, 02:16 PM

I agree to this. There are questions I want to ask about classes, but don't want them to get lost in the general thread. Also, I love reading guides on other classes.

Taluvill

10-19-2010, 02:24 PM

bump please.........

Add this. It probably wouldnt take forever to include a forum section for Tank(Warrior, SK, Pal), Preist(Druid, Shaman, Cleric), DPS(Monk, Rogue, Bard?, Ranger), Caster (Nec, Mage, Enc, Wiz)

And Idk where you would put bard on that list. they are such a jack of all trades its kinda weird.

Mcbard

10-19-2010, 02:29 PM

That being said, EQ is 11 years old, I'm fairly certain all class related issues we could discuss would be a rehash of something that's already been beaten to death (except for a caveat I'll mention below). The wiki would be a better place, I think, to post all of this rehashed information, and we would get the refined end result of the rehashing rather than the gory horse meat. I, for one, want to be able to find acurate info (like wowhead for EQ) without going through a forum.

It may be beaten to death, but where? Finding 10 year old information on something as dynamic as the web is quite the task. Having a p1999 updated source for this information and place to go for questions would be nice.

Taluvill

10-19-2010, 02:36 PM

It may be beaten to death, but where? Finding 10 year old information on something as dynamic as the web is quite the task. Having a p1999 updated source for this information and place to go for questions would be nice.

Not just that, but while P99 is damn close, its not perfect. A lot of people will want to post guides that are somewhat specific to P99 and how things work here.

Edit: Leveling guides according to where things are camped here, good grouping spots per class, etc.

Extunarian

10-19-2010, 03:29 PM

Not only is finding some of the old information hard to do, but you can't even be sure its right. Check out this casters realm SK creation guide:

Shadow Knights need to balance the difficulty of good melee ability with a reasonable mana pool. With this in mind here are our suggested bonus point spendings:

* Dark Elves: Add 10 Strength and 10 Dexterity.
* Erudites: Add 10 Strength 5 Agility and 5 Dexterity.
* Humans: Add 5 Strength, 5 Agility, 5 Dexterity and 5 Intelligence.
* Iksars: Add 10 Strength, 5 Dexterity and 5 Intelligence.
* Ogre: Add 8 Intelligence, 7 Dexterity and 5 Agility
* Trolls: Add 15 Intelligence and 5 Dexterity.

Int? Hell yes!
Stamina? Eff that!

Funny thing is, when I was looking for this guide, I first tried the forum search function because I know I've seen it posted here before, but I couldn't find it. I did however get super-relevant results like:

- "9/11, an inside job?" (10th result)
- "Sticky: Running EQ under LINUX" (7th result)
- "A discussion on restoring EQ's music once and for all" (3rd result)

I ended up going through the wayback machine to find this guide instead, which took about 1 minute per page load. Not exactly quick and easy.

As for the wiki, yes, it would be great if that were updated. However I for one will probably never update it, whereas I'd happily check into the shaman forum on a daily basis to answer questions. I'm not trying to come off as anti-wiki, but I get a lot more satisfaction from directly answering people's questions than I would from posting a guide that maybe no one even reads. Maybe that's just me.

Ravhin

10-19-2010, 03:44 PM

Just want to point out again the P99 wiki:

http://moestaverne.com/p1999wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Now some people may prefer a forum over a wiki in terms of the dialogue and back and forth. But I don't think anyone can argue that finding organized and useful information is a task better suited to a wiki. It's up to the community to make the wiki more relevant by culling information from discussions on certain topics when they pop on the boards.

Engraverwilliam

10-19-2010, 03:56 PM

I would love to see class forums.../vote

Extunarian

10-19-2010, 04:09 PM

It's up to the community to make the wiki more relevant by culling information from discussions on certain topics when they pop on the boards.

This is another reason class sub forums could be helpful. Those folks who wanted to dedicate the time to update the wiki would have a great resource at their fingertips. They could spend less time searching, and more time writing.

realpoor

10-19-2010, 05:43 PM

So I've been working on a site for project 1999 boss mobs. I always wanted to do this site back when I played EQ classic, but didn't have the know how. I did back then host a forum called realpoor.com for the server Tarew Marr. I was actually addem who came up with eq.realpoor.com which was the classic loot list which was clean, but hard to update. Anyways I've spent a week adding the loot list and some research recipes, and figured I would update information every day and it would grow to something useful.

The website is http://www.pro1999.com
The forum is http://forum.pro1999.com

I also setup a few forwards to get to other very useful resources for project 1999.
Auction tracker is http://auction.pro1999.com
Wiki is http://wiki.pro1999.com

I just quickly added the forum up there today, I haven't customized it too much, but will be doing that within the next few days. Let me know if you like the idea, if not i'll take it down and focus on information.

Sethius

10-19-2010, 10:07 PM

It may be beaten to death, but where? Finding 10 year old information on something as dynamic as the web is quite the task. Having a p1999 updated source for this information and place to go for questions would be nice.

I agree it's hard to find, but that's the point of a wiki (or in my opinion a wiki/forum hybrid, but whatever). This doesn't give credit to a class forums yet, imo, even if I do think a forum has some merit.

I'll give you that a class forum would probably be used more to talk about stuff and ask questions / get a more directed answer (even if the answer is something that could be on a wiki and they could just look up).

I still think the wiki is a better idea in theory for people like myself, who just want info that has been beaten to death over the years but can't find it by my lonesome.

A class forum is better for people who want to talk about the issues and mull them over while also talking about taco bell as often as possible. I think finding info is harder on a forum than a wiki because you have to sift through all the crap, and while the sticky's usually hit some of the things you want, they don't usually get all of them.

On the other hand, a class forum like elitist jerks has going... now there is an example of how to use a class forum in its best form...

I'm divided on this topic, and think that each method has something going for it, *if executed properly*.

Mcbard

10-20-2010, 10:59 AM

I agree it's hard to find, but that's the point of a wiki (or in my opinion a wiki/forum hybrid, but whatever). This doesn't give credit to a class forums yet, imo, even if I do think a forum has some merit.

I'll give you that a class forum would probably be used more to talk about stuff and ask questions / get a more directed answer (even if the answer is something that could be on a wiki and they could just look up).

I still think the wiki is a better idea in theory for people like myself, who just want info that has been beaten to death over the years but can't find it by my lonesome.

A class forum is better for people who want to talk about the issues and mull them over while also talking about taco bell as often as possible. I think finding info is harder on a forum than a wiki because you have to sift through all the crap, and while the sticky's usually hit some of the things you want, they don't usually get all of them.

On the other hand, a class forum like elitist jerks has going... now there is an example of how to use a class forum in its best form...

I'm divided on this topic, and think that each method has something going for it, *if executed properly*.

How is it going to get on to the wiki in the first place though? I agree that the wiki is an awesome resource if you need to look something up, but lets face it compared to even one of the old class forums the wiki has almost no information. Most people will just browse the wiki, and if the don't find what they are looking for give up on that idea altogether unless Google can turn up a quick answer for them.

If they had class forums they could ask their question, get responses, and then perhaps once all of that data is collected it can make its migration from forum to wiki so that the next time somebody has the same question it's there for them.

maestrom

10-21-2010, 09:28 AM

^ this.

iasus

10-21-2010, 11:24 AM

so many people in game have asked about something like this... I think it's a great idea!

Sethius

10-21-2010, 01:33 PM

How is it going to get on to the wiki in the first place though? I agree that the wiki is an awesome resource if you need to look something up, but lets face it compared to even one of the old class forums the wiki has almost no information. Most people will just browse the wiki, and if the don't find what they are looking for give up on that idea altogether unless Google can turn up a quick answer for them.

If they had class forums they could ask their question, get responses, and then perhaps once all of that data is collected it can make its migration from forum to wiki so that the next time somebody has the same question it's there for them.

I agree that migrating the data from the class forums to a wiki is a good idea, maybe a great idea, if you go with a class forums to get the wiki flowing.

My point, which is partially contradictory to myself, is that the wiki in its current form is not the perfect execution for a wiki in a community of this size. It's fine for wikipedia with tons of people that update constantly, but not as fine for a smaller community that doesn't have that kind of resources. I think a forum/wiki hybrid is perfect, but that still requires people doing the work, so that could be a pipe dream.

I'm not against class forums, it's just not my idea of the kind of place I like to find info. If you're arguing we need a place to ask questions about classes from individuals, then I would agree, the wiki is not the place for it. If you're arguing we need a resource for class information, I don't see a forum suiting that as well as a wiki.

Others might not share my ideals, and I can appreciate that.

All this wiki talk really hinges on if we are able to sustain enough people actively involved in the wiki... I don't know if we can, but it would be awesome if we could.

Taluvill

10-22-2010, 03:50 AM

Bump

Taluvill

10-22-2010, 03:51 AM

I agree that migrating the data from the class forums to a wiki is a good idea, maybe a great idea, if you go with a class forums to get the wiki flowing.

My point, which is partially contradictory to myself, is that the wiki in its current form is not the perfect execution for a wiki in a community of this size. It's fine for wikipedia with tons of people that update constantly, but not as fine for a smaller community that doesn't have that kind of resources. I think a forum/wiki hybrid is perfect, but that still requires people doing the work, so that could be a pipe dream.

I'm not against class forums, it's just not my idea of the kind of place I like to find info. If you're arguing we need a place to ask questions about classes from individuals, then I would agree, the wiki is not the place for it. If you're arguing we need a resource for class information, I don't see a forum suiting that as well as a wiki.

Others might not share my ideals, and I can appreciate that.

All this wiki talk really hinges on if we are able to sustain enough people actively involved in the wiki... I don't know if we can, but it would be awesome if we could.

I think the wiki needs to be stickied or frontpaged or something before a lot of people will contribute to it and will use it a lot. The problem is its awareness in all honesty.