Project 1999, Daybreak, and Velious

[Thiefboy777]

I'd pay a sub

[mrproudbeard]

This is cool news and great of Daybreak to be embracing the community in such a way. Goodwill towards fans/customers goes so far and I always enjoy watching companies that realize that.

Was there any stipulation either way around open sourcing the code powering P99? Or is the reverse true and they are maybe helping you out in ways that are awesome but that you can't talk about? IP rights are a sick fascination of mine, especially when it comes to code.

[salimoneus]

Without having any details, this "agreement" almost sounds more like DB saying "we really don't care about your little project, but if you do a release within 3 months of ours we will make life very difficult for you."

[BulletCatcher]

Without having any details, this "agreement" almost sounds more like DB saying "we really don't care about your little project, but if you do a release within 3 months of ours we will make life very difficult for you."

If they really feel that way... good. Let p99 live. and if DB wants p99 to delay some things... really its the only thing to be added then that it for p99, then let it be. DB has the power to shut this shit down instantly. I'm very happy with DB crumbs and scraps... But I can't seem to find the big bowl of EQ Next... Anyone seen it?

[kaboume]

follow the new on french site :
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/48006/daybreak-reconnait-officiellement-serveur-everquest-project-1999

Glad to see that all comunity is following P99

Please change link on eqemu server information ;)

[Grimjaw]

follow the new on french site :
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/48006/daybreak-reconnait-officiellement-serveur-everquest-project-1999

Glad to see that all comunity is following P99

Please change link on eqemu server information ;)

lol I went to that site first time this weekend, while trying to get Medieval Lords up and running on Win7. That game was mostly coded in French. Had to use google translator though.

[Goobles]

This is actually a good thing. Gives the staff more time to work out bugs, and people to farm shit.

[golten]

*Refuses to kiss someones ass*

Dont you think people might see this as an attempted ploy to boost server numbers over the summer?

from what ive heard, numbers WERE dropping drastically, and now it's over populated. silly how that works... i wonder if there will be long term player blowback?

im not terribly upset.. raiding this summer is likely out of the question though... as theres little to no room in the raid rotation as is for smaller, new guilds.

I suppose grouping will be similarly affected.. 5 hours of lfg in KC with a zone pop of 50 people... WOOOOO!!! good times?

[BulletCatcher]

What a fucking cry baby. For real. Tell us more of your problems and selfish suggestiina.. Please. We all are very interested

[Kutsumo]

*Refuses to kiss someones ass*

Dont you think people might see this as an attempted ploy to boost server numbers over the summer?

from what ive heard, numbers WERE dropping drastically, and now it's over populated. silly how that works... i wonder if there will be long term player blowback?

im not terribly upset.. raiding this summer is likely out of the question though... as theres little to no room in the raid rotation as is for smaller, new guilds.

I suppose grouping will be similarly affected.. 5 hours of lfg in KC with a zone pop of 50 people... WOOOOO!!! good times?

All of that comes with the territory playing classic EQ. Any guild can join Class C, Class R, or just go for FFA targets - you won't get on the sky rotation, but there are many guilds you could join that are (I'm fairly certain pretty much all sky rotation guilds are recruiting actively). KC is always crowded because it's a lazy/easy zone to level in the 50s, just like Velks will be in Velious. You could grab some other LFG people and head off to the Hole, Howling Stone, maybe a few other zones and get XP but instead you sit in KC and complain.

Quote me on this, they are not going to add instancing for you. Dozens of other games cater to what you're looking for.

[golten]

i pity the fools who base their life around an emulated version of a 16 year old elf game.

dont get down on yourself.... im sure your mom still loves you... at least to some degree...

[Grimjaw]

*Refuses to kiss someones ass*

Dont you think people might see this as an attempted ploy to boost server numbers over the summer?

from what ive heard, numbers WERE dropping drastically, and now it's over populated. silly how that works... i wonder if there will be long term player blowback?

im not terribly upset.. raiding this summer is likely out of the question though... as theres little to no room in the raid rotation as is for smaller, new guilds.

I suppose grouping will be similarly affected.. 5 hours of lfg in KC with a zone pop of 50 people... WOOOOO!!! good times?

ya... they announced a 2 month delay on velious just to increase server pop over the summer. that's it...

and you're right, my mom does love me. jealous?

[Lurikeen]

My butt hurts.

[Uthgaard]

In other news, it's about time thread tags made a comeback

[Swish]

In other news, it's about time thread tags made a comeback

Yes!

[Old Prexus]

I can't wait to hold a small black velium chunk with red musical notes on it.

[bryrony]

Hello, pls pls say, its true (and i understand it right) the old version of EQ1 wanna start again? I did love the old version (dont like the new ):D:D:D

[Clark]

In other news, it's about time thread tags made a comeback

:)

[citizen1080]

/youngdoctors/

[Rogean]

Hey Guys,

We'll probably be doing something on the weekend of the original date (May 29th to June 1st), something like an XP Increase, maybe an event or two.

Rog

[BlkCamel]

Hey Guys,

We'll probably be doing something on the weekend of the original date (May 29th to June 1st), something like an XP Increase, maybe an event or two.

Rog

Awesomesauce, been awhile since a double xp day!:D

An event w/ a few DE Masks would be fun! /wink wink

[Daldaen]

Sim repop, all raid mobs loot tables replaced with Guises.

Sim repop, all raid mobs loot tables randomized. Dracoliche can drop CT loot, Maestro can drop Inny loot, Gorenaire can drop Maestro loot, etc.

Arena event where multiple raid mobs are spawn simultaneously for the raid present to deal with. Naggy+Vox spawn next to each other in center of arena and must be slain. Talendor, Gore, Sev and Fay spawned together. Inny + CT spawned together (with misc PoHate/Fear trash merbs). I'd be extremely interested to see how people here could handle a balance fight that spawns more adds if Vox/Nagafens HP separate too much, etc.

[Portasaurus]

Bracketed bumfights.

Winner gets desert madman (http://wiki.project1999.com/A_desert_madman) illusion mask.

Who's with me?

LET'S DO IT!!!!

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/2083506/animal-house-o.gif

[pink grapefruit]

Hey Guys,

We'll probably be doing something on the weekend of the original date (May 29th to June 1st), something like an XP Increase, maybe an event or two.

Rog

Shorty hybrids allowed during this small window? I would sell my soul for a gnome SK!

[Grimjaw]

Hello, pls pls say, its true (and i understand it right) the old version of EQ1 wanna start again? I did love the old version (dont like the new ):D:D:D

welcome to the party

[BlkCamel]

Sim repop, all raid mobs loot tables randomized. Dracoliche can drop CT loot, Maestro can drop Inny loot, Gorenaire can drop Maestro loot, etc.

Arena event where multiple raid mobs are spawn simultaneously for the raid present to deal with. Naggy+Vox spawn next to each other in center of arena and must be slain. Talendor, Gore, Sev and Fay spawned together. Inny + CT spawned together (with misc PoHate/Fear trash merbs). I'd be extremely interested to see how people here could handle a balance fight that spawns more adds if Vox/Nagafens HP separate too much, etc.

These 2 would be awesome and I replace my request for double xp day and guise events for this.

A suggestion for Arena event, a Test of Might so to speak, do this in a wide open zone like West Karana (spectators can create human alts and run there). Spawn the dragon/god/combination and do a guild Test of Might. Reserve it to maximum groups of 3 or 4. Take your guilds best raid force and GM summon gods/dragons to Test their Might.

You can do it in tiers; such as vox/naggy, Then Inny/CT, Then Trak/Gore/VS, then move to VP Dragons. Allow these mobs to have normal loot tables and if guild is successful they get the loot, if they fail the event ends and whatever they did kill they get to keep. This would also give any guild a chance to kill and loot a wide variety of raids mobs they may never get a chance at.

It would be a 1 time event so you don't have to worry about flooding the market. Give any guild that wants to participate a chance to go through this Test of Might, and reward them with the loot tables for the bosses they do kill. This could also serve as competition as the guilds will compete to see who can kill the biggest and hardest mobs the most efficiently.:D

[citizen1080]

These 2 would be awesome and I replace my request for double xp day and guise events for this.

A suggestion for Arena event, a Test of Might so to speak, do this in a wide open zone like West Karana (spectators can create human alts and run there). Spawn the dragon/god/combination and do a guild Test of Might. Reserve it to maximum groups of 3 or 4. Take your guilds best raid force and GM summon gods/dragons to Test their Might.

You can do it in tiers; such as vox/naggy, Then Inny/CT, Then Trak/Gore/VS, then move to VP Dragons. Allow these mobs to have normal loot tables and if guild is successful they get the loot, if they fail the event ends and whatever they did kill they get to keep. This would also give any guild a chance to kill and loot a wide variety of raids mobs they may never get a chance at.

It would be a 1 time event so you don't have to worry about flooding the market. Give any guild that wants to participate a chance to go through this Test of Might, and reward them with the loot tables for the bosses they do kill. This could also serve as competition as the guilds will compete to see who can kill the biggest and hardest mobs the most efficiently.:D

This sounds like a hell of a good time.

Most fun I ever had in the game that shall not be named was the ring of blood events. This sounds right up that ally.

[BlkCamel]

This sounds like a hell of a good time.

Most fun I ever had in the game that shall not be named was the ring of blood events. This sounds right up that ally.

I pm'd a quote of my suggested event to Rogean, I suggest anyone in support of this idea do the same thing and quote my post and Pm it to Rogean. Use the title Test of Might to reference this idea. We may be able to convince the powers that be to do this.

P.S. If Rogean gets pissed at me because you guys spam him with this request it is still worth it, and if he really does get upset feel free to delete this post.:D

[salimoneus]

Some of these ideas are cool, but honestly does this server really need to cater to the raiding crowd any more than it already does? I say if there is to be an event make it more tailored to the general population, which doesn't require 4 fully geared groups of level 60 toons to even have a chance to compete, so more casual players can participate.

IMO this server spends way too much time and energy on the end gamers and all their demands and bickering and drama in general.

[mandoluce]

Some of these ideas are cool, but honestly does this server really need to cater to the raiding crowd any more than it already does? I say if there is to be an event make it more tailored to the general population, which doesn't require 4 fully geared groups of level 60 toons to even have a chance to compete, so more casual players can participate.

IMO this server spends way too much time and energy on the end gamers and all their demands and bickering and drama in general.


This. ^

[kaev]

IMO this server spends way too much time and energy on the end gamers and all their demands and bickering and drama in general.

That's EQ in a nutshell there really. Started with Fear/Hate after original release, accelerated thru Kunark, opened the throttle wide and hit the ramp at Velious, jumped the shark with Luclin and never looked back. It's :classic:, sadly.

[Supaskillz]

It is not unreasonable to appeal to your biggest fans which are those accelerating to the highest levels.

I do actually think that classic should get more credit for having great content for lower levels. There are great dungeons for every level, but many of them are unpopular b/c they are largely very dangerous requiring good crowd control without significant xp mods. Find some pals and go adventure in upper guk, cazic thule, sol A, droga, dalnir, blackburrow, kedge, permafrost, paw, runeye or kaesora. Many of these zones are often empty and can be a blast to crawl through with a group.

[kaev]

It is not unreasonable to appeal to your biggest fans which are those accelerating to the highest levels.


:shrug:

It's an argument that's easy to make and easy to understand. That didn't/doesn't make the result any more appealing to casual players. It didn't keep my friends playing back in the day. From a casual perspective, you can resign yourself to making alts (back in the day you could start over on another server to avoid the temptation to twink), or you can give in and become an ant in some raid army, or you can abandon your connection to the game as designed and immerse yourself in RP.

Don't get me wrong, btw. I've raided a fair bit here on p99, which I never did on live, and enjoyed it.

[Grivyn]

As a recently arrived former EQ player I was wondering if this means there will be no chance of a new Blue server being created ? Unfortunately for myself I became aware of P99 well after the chance to relive EQ release has well and truly passed.

I had heard mention of a new server that would merged with the existing P99 blue once caught up, one would think that's a no go now however considering recent events.

[Supaskillz]

As a recently arrived former EQ player I was wondering if this means there will be no chance of a new Blue server being created ? Unfortunately for myself I became aware of P99 well after the chance to relive EQ release has well and truly passed.

I had heard mention of a new server that would merged with the existing P99 blue once caught up, one would think that's a no go now however considering recent events.

There are plans to one day have a new server with classic timeline, but I suspect this is still a long way off. I wouldn't shy away from the server b/c you missed the start, there at lot of new players and you should be able to enjoy the glorious grind with others who are also chasing those cracked staves from decaying skellies.

[StarLord]

So does this have any effect on plans to release further content? This news is rather anticlimactic for me since i grew tired of 2 expansions after about 4 months. I haven't been on p99 in a good while and probably won't unless enough content is actually released to fix the massive log jam you have going on at the high end.

I've wanted to ask for a while what server in EQ during the classic era had 12 guilds fighting over the same raid content.Of course the answer to that is "none of them did".

[wormed]

So does this have any effect on plans to release further content? This news is rather anticlimactic for me since i grew tired of 2 expansions after about 4 months. I haven't been on p99 in a good while and probably won't unless enough content is actually released to fix the massive log jam you have going on at the high end.

I've wanted to ask for a while what server in EQ during the classic era had 12 guilds fighting over the same raid content.Of course the answer to that is "none of them did".

It's impossible to truly relive the classic era of EQ. Simply put, we're all more knowledgeable about the game as a whole. Gone are the days of hailing each and every NPC, finding quests, not knowing what is out there, and generally discovering the game in its birth.

Were there 12 guilds competing in Kunark? That's a good question. It's fair to say the answer is probably no, but this is a far different circumstance. Kunark has been on P99 for far longer than it was ever on Live. Velious game into Live, what... 1 year after Kunark? Something like that?

Comparing P99 to back-in-the-day Live just isn't very fair.

[salimoneus]

So does this have any effect on plans to release further content? This news is rather anticlimactic for me since i grew tired of 2 expansions after about 4 months. I haven't been on p99 in a good while and probably won't unless enough content is actually released to fix the massive log jam you have going on at the high end.

I've wanted to ask for a while what server in EQ during the classic era had 12 guilds fighting over the same raid content.Of course the answer to that is "none of them did".

Yes the state of the current server is not optimal, otherwise they would not be going to the lengths they have been to "fix" things using guild tiers, loot rationing, faux instancing, etc. No it's not very classic but it is what it is for understandable reasons, the primary one being very limited volunteer resources working to get a release out the door while maintaining the existing system, which takes a lot of time.

I don't know if things will really improve when Velious drops, not sure if anyone does, but it won't fix the core of the problem, which is the large number of high level extremely well geared toons from years of farming.

There will indeed be a new blue progression server, likely some months after the release of Velious on the current server since I'm sure they will be busy enough maintaining that for a while. It has been stated that Velious is the end of the road for Project 1999, as far as we know there will never be an SoL, and thank *insert your God here if applicable* for that because it was the beginning of the end for truly Classic EQ.

If you ask me, people have actually been playing on the beta server all along without realizing it. The game experience won't be truly classic until the timeline mirrors classic, and that won't happen until all the development efforts are done and the progression server comes out. IMO that's going to be the first real classic experience up through Velious being offered by P99. Until then, thanks to everyone for your testing efforts :D

[Bulcan]

I'm so happy for you guys that have run P1999 for so long. Having vellious pushed back is a very small price to pay for getting a WRITTEN agreement from people at daybreak. It must have been INCREADIBLE stress for you guys to have had to work under knowing that at anytime a lawsuit could have been dropped in your lap, or a declalration for you to shut down having all of your work and time go right down the drain. Gratz on moving to more legit and less stress state.

Do you really think if the SOE had any legal basis for a lawsuit that it wouldn't had started it already? Seriously?
This server steals quite an amount of potential cash from SOE and owners of p99 are idiots for agreeing to this...

[Pufferfish]

Do you really think if the SOE had any legal basis for a lawsuit that it wouldn't had started it already? Seriously?
This server steals quite an amount of potential cash from SOE and owners of p99 are idiots for agreeing to this...

How so?

1) I hadn't played EverQuest for YEARS before I discovered P1999. If P1999 were to disappear tonight, I would not be back on EQ Live. I'm sure 99% of the player base is the same.

2) EverQuest Live is a free-to-play game with a cash shop. P1999 has no cash shop. Are you thinking that players will not only flock back to EQ Live, but also start buying cosmetic fluff? (Hence the "potential cash" loss you are talking about)

3) A Progression server is not a Classic server. They're not competing products.
I played on an EQ Live Progression server before, it ended badly. The Progression server eventually merged with my regular server and erased over 200,000 Plat in my shared bank. Their "support" said there was no record of me ever having that money, so I must be a scammer. Which in turn changed my desire to return to EQ Live to absolute zero - See Point #1.

Daybreak would gain nothing by putting legal muscle on P1999. It certainly wouldn't cause players, who quit EQ Live years before P1999 even existed, to come back to EQ Live.

One of the reasons SoE lost a lot of their playerbase is because they loved to troll their own customers. People remember that stuff. Don't forget, SoE also had an awesome chance to bring back a lot of old players when EverQuest went free-to-play, and they completely blew it with the overly restricted 'free membership'. Which they fixed too little too late, that massive wave of returning players was gone by then.

Daybreak is a new company, so I honestly hope they don't repeat the mistakes of SoE and wish them all the luck in the world with the EverQuest franchise.

[Grimjaw]

its the opposite of what bulcan said. if daybreak shutdown p1999 it would lose subs via the people loyal to both. no one who is here for classic eq would touch daybreaks servers, or else we'd be there on the F2P servers right now

[dafier]

How so?

1) I hadn't played EverQuest for YEARS before I discovered P1999. If P1999 were to disappear tonight, I would not be back on EQ Live. I'm sure 99% of the player base is the same.

2) EverQuest Live is a free-to-play game with a cash shop. P1999 has no cash shop. Are you thinking that players will not only flock back to EQ Live, but also start buying cosmetic fluff? (Hence the "potential cash" loss you are talking about)

3) A Progression server is not a Classic server. They're not competing products.
I played on an EQ Live Progression server before, it ended badly. The Progression server eventually merged with my regular server and erased over 200,000 Plat in my shared bank. Their "support" said there was no record of me ever having that money, so I must be a scammer. Which in turn changed my desire to return to EQ Live to absolute zero - See Point #1.

Daybreak would gain nothing by putting legal muscle on P1999. It certainly wouldn't cause players, who quit EQ Live years before P1999 even existed, to come back to EQ Live.

One of the reasons SoE lost a lot of their playerbase is because they loved to troll their own customers. People remember that stuff. Don't forget, SoE also had an awesome chance to bring back a lot of old players when EverQuest went free-to-play, and they completely blew it with the overly restricted 'free membership'. Which they fixed too little too late, that massive wave of returning players was gone by then.

Daybreak is a new company, so I honestly hope they don't repeat the mistakes of SoE and wish them all the luck in the world with the EverQuest franchise.


Nail + Hit on the head

Yep, you did it. SoE is a shit troll company, just like Blizzard. Both may come out with good games, but they screw it up ALL THE TIME!

I quit Live in 2004 ish. I lost my corpse to a bug and GMs, Customer Service and more wouldn't help me get it back. I will never look back in regards to playing that version. I wish there were more lawsuits to destroy that company. EFF them.

[Jarlon]

The great differance about live from P99 was the GM's on live sucked, so you could train and KS without ever getting caught. All the PnP policies were in place for the people that would follow them out of fear , to reduce petitions. They were never actually enforced.

[Greegon]

WOW this is pretty cool

[kaev]

The great differance about live from P99 was the GM's on live sucked, so you could train and KS without ever getting caught. All the PnP policies were in place for the people that would follow them out of fear , to reduce petitions. They were never actually enforced.

That depended on the server and the era. Especially earlier in the history of the game you could get pretty good response from server GMs and most guides. I used to hang out in Oasis on an alt sometimes just to petition the punks who liked to train the noobs XPing along the beach. Griefing griefers is fun, they are some of the saltiest people on earth and it's a completely guiltless pleasure.

[Lyrren]

Yep, you did it. SoE is a shit troll company, just like Blizzard. Both may come out with good games, but they screw it up ALL THE TIME!

Except now we have Daybreak who are determined to milk all us cash cows for all we are are worth, the "FTP" is now money up front if you want to play on Ragefire. After paying for years of subscriptions and expansions can I please say to all my fellow EQ fans DO NOT DO IT AGAIN, just for what we can have here, lovingly maintained.

Daybreak's attitude to Ragefire has made me seriously consider any ongoing relationship with EQ Next (and I paid for a Landmark Foundation Pack).

I am sorry for the P1999 guys hit by the ten ton Daybreak hammer but they never had a chance. This is how it goes, Daybreak belong to Columbus Nova (a nothing US investment company) and they belong to the Renova Group (a Russian conglomerate).

Brad McQuaid all is forgiven, bring back "the vision".

[pharmakos]

sony wasn't a multinational conglomerate?

[Toodles]

Two words : sell out

Or rather three words : told you so

I said it a long time ago and continued to say it, Rogean's reasoning and justification of why Sony wouldn't pursue legal action on P99, was bogus.

And now we now that to be true. The only reason this statement was put out, is because

The agreement establishes the guidelines that we as a project must follow,"

Summary : they have me by the balls.

As a show of good faith to support the efforts of Daybreak Games,...

As a show of good faith? What? Why do you have to show good faith to Daybreak, oh..that's right, because they would have canned your ass.

..we have decided to reschedule our expansion release as to not conflict with the upcoming new progression server being released in the coming weeks.

This really takes the cake. Postponing Velious - something we've been waiting on for almost four years now, a delay that has warped and ruined the state of the server being stuck in Kunark so long...and you delay it so that it won't distract people from the launch of (an already failed) progression server that isn't like P99 any ways?

Damn dude, they ass raped you.

[salimoneus]

Two words : sell out

Or rather three words : told you so

I said it a long time ago and continued to say it, Rogean's reasoning and justification of why Sony wouldn't pursue legal action on P99, was bogus.

And now we now that to be true. The only reason this statement was put out, is because



Summary : they have me by the balls.



As a show of good faith? What? Why do you have to show good faith to Daybreak, oh..that's right, because they would have canned your ass.



This really takes the cake. Postponing Velious - something we've been waiting on for almost four years now, a delay that has warped and ruined the state of the server being stuck in Kunark so long...and you delay it so that it won't distract people from the launch of (an already failed) progression server that isn't like P99 any ways?

Damn dude, they ass raped you.

This is the general gist of my interpretation of recent events, as stated a few pages back, but I chose to put it in a much less bitter/douchey sounding way.

No it's not difficult to read between the lines here, but even so it seems unfair to be disrespectful to the devs and staff, as they are doing all they can to give us the most classic EQ experience within their means.

Honestly the delay means nothing, as if another 6 months of Kunark is going to make a difference at this point. As you stated the server has already (d)evolved into something not-quite-so-classic due to limited resources and other factors which we may not be privy to. There is really no fixing it at this point, regardless of how many guild tiers you create, or even after the release of Velious.

And I don't think the devs and staff really give a shit about release dates, and they shouldn't. They are providing a completely free playing experience and donating hundreds of hours of their time, mostly because they enjoy doing so. When the devs themselves admit that they are waiting until the "new" PVE server is released to start playing here themselves, when a proper timeline will be followed, that tells you all you really need to know.

[Nuggie]

That dude need to realize he's playing on the beta server for the real server which won't be released until all the velious stuff is fixed. Calm down, bro. It's going to be ok.

[Aspect]

In a word... LOL

[Life617]

Excellent news, it looks like all your guys hard work is starting to be noticed.

'Toodles' doesn't really know what he is talking about, you guys are not sell outs, and you did not get "*** *****."

Also getting listed on the official server list might actually be a good thing... at least daybreak would punish all of the immoral, racist and vulgar trolls that this community seems draw in.

[Frudrura]

Also getting listed on the official server list might actually be a good thing... at least daybreak would punish all of the immoral, racist and vulgar trolls that this community seems draw in.

This would be nice to see. I have thought about this for a while, and I think the only way to kind of fix that area of the server, would be to have Daybreak charge an initial fee to continue playing the server, and then a recurring monthly fee say $10. Not sure anything will be done about it now though?

[zachpsu]

Awesome! It'd be great to get a legitimate downloadable client for a nominal fee!

[Kope]

Hey Guys,

We'll probably be doing something on the weekend of the original date (May 29th to June 1st), something like an XP Increase, maybe an event or two.

Rog

Would it be possible to get an extension on the double xp? :D Since the outage was right before the double xp, another bit for those who took some time off would be awesome :).

Thanks for all you guys do.

[Ele]

dude need to realize he's playing on the beta server for the real server which won't be released until all the velious stuff is fixed.

[Suntrader]

The problem I see with Daybreak is the company CEO Smedly. In addition to not be trustworthy, Smed can screw up a wet dream. Many problems and changes from EQ to Star Wars to Vanguard points directly at him.

[dafier]

Honestly I don't understand why a 'written agreement' needed to happen in the first place. Well maybe...

Was it needed because Daybreak would have spent millions on lawyers/legal fees to sue P99 in which would have cost P99 millions to have neither a positive or negative outcome? Basically waste P99 money. I would believe that.....

What I don't understand is why this never occurred before. Why suddenly after Columbus Nova purchased SoE?

[Eredhel]

It's not new thing. I was involved as a player and a GM on a popular EQ emu several years ago. They were given a cease and desist. They had to shut down and reopen under new names and websites to try and avoid the legal hassle.

[Suntrader]

One would think after so many years online with no legal issues from SOE that legal enforcement of copyright and IP property would be difficult to enforce today.

Of course Daybreak is now the new property owner, but since Smedly was the SOE game divisional head, he cannot claim he didn't know about P1999 or why he didn't shut down the P1999 site years ago.

[dafier]

At any rate....

I thank the staff for this ability to experience a wonderful project like this one. I hope that the big dogs don't bite when they shouldn't because it's not affecting their pockets.

I don't mind the push back because I am still new here and am trying to reach a higher level before Velious is release. I am VERY excited about experiencing this again.

Cheers!

[QuantumZebra]

One would think after so many years online with no legal issues from SOE that legal enforcement of copyright and IP property would be difficult to enforce today.

Of course Daybreak is now the new property owner, but since Smedly was the SOE game divisional head, he cannot claim he didn't know about P1999 or why he didn't shut down the P1999 site years ago.

Simple fact is - why push it? They had a chance to do something profound and new and they took it.

This is a private company recognizing a non-for-profit emulation of their property. That's big news. That means we have assurance that P99 is here to stay - legal repercussions no longer lurking.

This is great.

[pharmakos]

Honestly I don't understand why a 'written agreement' needed to happen in the first place. Well maybe...

Was it needed because Daybreak would have spent millions on lawyers/legal fees to sue P99 in which would have cost P99 millions to have neither a positive or negative outcome? Basically waste P99 money. I would believe that.....

What I don't understand is why this never occurred before. Why suddenly after Columbus Nova purchased SoE?

they were worried that P99's Velious launch would fuck with their population numbers for their new progression servers. end of story.

[dafier]

Copy that Pharmakos.

[Chou]

Looks like it is time to update the footer at the bottom of the forum :)

"Project 1999 is not associated or affiliated in any way with Daybreak Game Company LLC."

[Clark]

Looks like it is time to update the footer at the bottom of the forum :)

"Project 1999 is not associated or affiliated in any way with Daybreak Game Company LLC."

lol

[Ele]

Looks like it is time to update the footer at the bottom of the forum :)

"Project 1999 is not associated or affiliated in any way with Daybreak Game Company LLC."

Associated and affiliated have legal meanings with consequences and liability; simply being in a contract, under license, or having an understanding does not rise to association or affiliation in that context.

A lot of business contracts specifically state that there is no affiliation or association of entities.

[dafier]

How about this:

"Project 1999 loaths Daybreak Game Company LLC and hopes their business fails."

[Naxy]

Congratulations on this. It is a shame Daybreak wasn't confident enough about what it agreed with you that it could post the core of the agreement together openly. Nevertheless, I look forward to Classic 1999 to be around for a long time.

[Honest]

So are we still on schedule for an 8/1-2 release? About to turn in that time off request...

[dafier]

So are we still on schedule for an 8/1-2 release? About to turn in that time off request...

According to a post response from Haynar in another part of the forum.

Yes. There is no known delay.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Congratulations.

[Artaenc]

Don't want to take time off work for nothing. Thanks.