Consider Project 2002

[Haynar]

When I run full screen. No more than one session per computer. Wired into router, i.e. No wireless. I almost never crash.

One laptop, 3 sessions, running dxtory to limit framerate, running eqw.exe. Over wifi. I crash out 1 in 10 zonings.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Pressing the control key + an arrow key to tab different desktops w/ an eq box.. works perfect for me. Can also swipe the box on my macbook if i feel like reaching that far, welcome to 2015.

So more work equates to some sort of progress to you?
Titanium client on PEQ back in 2008 allowed *seamless switching between windows* whether they were resized to be next one another or if you stacked them. If the former you moved your mouse from window to window and could click/activate whatever you wanted without needing a keystroke. If the latter you just moved over the taskbar and clicked the window you wanted without needing a keystroke.

Welcome to 2015? Thanks for demonstrating that things can get worse.

[BossThunderace]

So more work equates to some sort of progress to you?
Titanium client on PEQ back in 2008 allowed *seamless switching between windows* whether they were resized to be next one another or if you stacked them. If the former you moved your mouse from window to window and could click/activate whatever you wanted without needing a keystroke. If the latter you just moved over the taskbar and clicked the window you wanted without needing a keystroke.

Welcome to 2015? Thanks for demonstrating that things can get worse.

Apparently pressing two buttons is considered "more work" .. I'll stop feeding the trolls.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

pressing two buttons that you didn't have to press before is considered "more work"

Yes

[BossThunderace]

I know how everyone has boxed in the past, present, and future.

No.

[Lorian]

how many players concurrently does p2002 get up to on a good peek night?

I'd guess 30-50 actual human players of which the majority is boxing one or two (except me, not boxing). Hopefully the population will increase a bit, but until then I'll at least have all mobs for myself!

I personally REALLY enjoy the PoK books, it makes me able to focus on killing mobs and questing rather than semi-afk travelling for hours per played day. Also the newbie armour quests are sweet! All in all p2002 allows for a more casual playstyle, people with full time jobs and/or families will probably do better here than on p99, at least the ones that don't mind PoP and a small server population.

[Zadrian]

not sure what i'm doing wrong. created a user account, but it client keeps telling me invalid password (definitely typing the correct password in)

[Wharhog]

On the website or for the game itself? and make sure your host file points to the p2002 server.

http://p2002.com/#/ <<<to account creation for the game

[BossThunderace]

not sure what i'm doing wrong. created a user account, but it client keeps telling me invalid password (definitely typing the correct password in)

Your batman sig is badass. Once you create a forum account you need to create a game account. PM if you need help.

[Bweetza]

not sure what i'm doing wrong. created a user account, but it client keeps telling me invalid password (definitely typing the correct password in)The client has a limit on how many characters you can use for a password. A limit that the personal login server they created doesn't enforce. So if you happened to make a password longer than that, your account is unusable. And since the account editing forms don't work, you need to make a new one. Might be your issue.

In other words, they clearly thought of everything and their login server works perfectly.

[apio]

The client has a limit on how many characters you can use for a password. A limit that the personal login server they created doesn't enforce. So if you happened to make a password longer than that, your account is unusable. And since the account editing forms don't work, you need to make a new one. Might be your issue.

In other words, they clearly thought of everything and their login server works perfectly.

This is the first I have heard of this issue, since I am not responsible for the login server and most of our developers do not check in on this thread, I will pass it on to our development team.

It would be wise to report bugs on our forums, we are in beta and bugs are to be expected, but as long as nobody reports them and makes us aware of them, they will likely not be addressed :)

Thanks for your bug report!

[Deckk]

When I tried it and rage quit, one of my absolutely largest problems with the server was 100% the F9 3rd person view. Hate how it's not attached to mouse wheel (and yes, I realize mouse wheel isn't classic)

[Lorian]

When I tried it and rage quit, one of my absolutely largest problems with the server was 100% the F9 3rd person view. Hate how it's not attached to mouse wheel (and yes, I realize mouse wheel isn't classic)

Yup, P2002 is a classic server with disadvantages as mentioned above, P99 is a modern sever with classic content. You get spoiled playing P99 with all the quality of life features and glossy anti-aliased pixels, but it is mitigated by the P2002 PoK books and 20% xp gain.

The ultimate server for me would be P99 with P2002 content, hope this might happen one day, I'd definitely play there!

[Deckk]

Yup, P2002 is a classic server with disadvantages as mentioned above, P99 is a modern sever with classic content. You get spoiled playing P99 with all the quality of life features and glossy anti-aliased pixels, but it is mitigated by the P2002 PoK books and 20% xp gain.

The ultimate server for me would be P99 with P2002 content, hope this might happen one day, I'd definitely play there!

100%

Interface of p99 is tough to beat. It feels extremely classic, but without the non-sense stuff that really serves no purpose but to get on your nerves.

And, I'm not a big fan of boxing, to be honest. I tried it on 2002, it was tough to do in my opinion, and chatting while playing two or three characters just isn't feasible. It really makes you more anti-social than anything with all the swapping back and forth.

But the p2002 content is definitely good. I hate PoK books, but the point that it allows people to actually play casually isn't lost on me, especially because I'm a casual. Plus, with all of the extra content that is with PoP/Luclin, it's kind of a necessity.

I wish there was a p4001 server that combined the best of both worlds :)

[Zadrian]

On the website or for the game itself? and make sure your host file points to the p2002 server.

http://p2002.com/#/ <<<to account creation for the game

Yeah, I made an account for the game at that link. I'll have to check my eqhost file, then.

Unless of course it's that password length issue that someone mentioned earlier.

[curtischoy]

The ultimate server for me would be P99 with P2002 content, hope this might happen one day, I'd definitely play there!

This sounds like my dream server.

I just found this thread today and I will likely check it out tonight or if not def this weekend.

If One Box - Paladin
If Two Box - Monk/Shaman
If Three Box - Monk/Enchanter/Cleric

EXCITED!!!

[Zadrian]

So my eqhost is pointing to takproject, is that not the correct server host?

Edit: Nevermind, found it. Thanks

[apio]

For P2002 your host file should contain this:

{
"loginserver.p2002.com:6000"
}
[Login Servers]
{
"loginserver.p2002.com:6000"
}

[Orruar]

Interface of p99 is tough to beat. It feels extremely classic, but without the non-sense stuff that really serves no purpose but to get on your nerves.

You mean like when they spent time on removing the compass that absolutely nobody cared about and was actually halfway nice to have? I guess it's good they spent their time on that rather than getting Velious finished in less time than it takes to get a college degree.

[Taryth]

You mean like when they spent time on removing the compass that absolutely nobody cared about and was actually halfway nice to have? I guess it's good they spent their time on that rather than getting Velious finished in less time than it takes to get a college degree.

Nobody is stopping you from helping, paying_customer_01.

[Akillez]

on p2002 and loving it but Orruar = dick ? Dev work isnt easy and P99 does lots and lots of it, while you play for free. Maybe dont bite the hand that feed ya ?

[Lorian]

This sounds like my dream server.

I just found this thread today and I will likely check it out tonight or if not def this weekend.

If One Box - Paladin
If Two Box - Monk/Shaman
If Three Box - Monk/Enchanter/Cleric

EXCITED!!!

Hit me up in game, I'm lowbie but I'll help you get the parts for your newbie armour!

[Champion_Standing]

You mean like when they spent time on removing the compass that absolutely nobody cared about and was actually halfway nice to have? I guess it's good they spent their time on that rather than getting Velious finished in less time than it takes to get a college degree.

Wasn't the compass gone before kunark?

[Deckk]

You mean like when they spent time on removing the compass that absolutely nobody cared about and was actually halfway nice to have? I guess it's good they spent their time on that rather than getting Velious finished in less time than it takes to get a college degree.

No, that's actually not what I was referring to. But then again, I play here for free so what they do to the server that they put together is their own prerogative.

[Haynar]

You mean like when they spent time on removing the compass that absolutely nobody cared about and was actually halfway nice to have? I guess it's good they spent their time on that rather than getting Velious finished in less time than it takes to get a college degree.
Most of the time here, different devs do different things. The coders typically don't work on zone content.

So your argument is not totally valid. There is no relation between removing the compass, and working on mob spawns for Velious zones. Done by totally different people actually. P99 has never been about just getting expansions out as fast as possible. We would rather take longer, and put out a quality product. If you don't like it, then go play on p2002. They want to release stuff asap too. They may even have velious out before p99.

Thanks.

Have a nice day.

[Lorian]

Most of the time here, different devs do different things. The coders typically don't work on zone content.

So your argument is not totally valid. There is no relation between removing the compass, and working on mob spawns for Velious zones. Done by totally different people actually. P99 has never been about just getting expansions out as fast as possible. We would rather take longer, and put out a quality product. If you don't like it, then go play on p2002. They want to release stuff asap too. They may even have velious out before p99.

Thanks.

Have a nice day.

Out of curiosiry, how come that the p2002 team is able to release the expansions so quickly? Do they already have the code? They are not needing to reverse engineer like you guys have done?

[Orruar]

No, that's actually not what I was referring to. But then again, I play here for free so what they do to the server that they put together is their own prerogative.

I'm with you and I prefer a slightly better interface than was available back in the day. It's the content that matters. I just think it's a little contradictory that they go for a more modern interface here while removing things like the compass. Either you go for classic or leave in the minor conveniences.

Also, lol at all the white knight ass kissers. Just because something is free doesn't mean you can't comment on its bad points.

[LoliPops]

Speaking of bad points, ALL your YouTube videos suck Jibeknn.

[surron]

Out of curiosiry, how come that the p2002 team is able to release the expansions so quickly? Do they already have the code? They are not needing to reverse engineer like you guys have done?

server code and classic data (like mob stats) are two different things. every server uses eqemu source code as their base, i'm sure p99 forked from it

p2002 got their info from PEQ (project EQ) which got all their data collects from EQ around 2004ish... and is sometimes updated with EQ Live info.

They also get a lot of info from TAKP which is another PoP server, however TAKP has eqMac data dumps which is a lot more accurate than PEQ. TAKP is taking the time to parse out the eqMac data and merge it with PEQ. So p2002 can either wait for TAKP to release content which they merge into their data or just use PEQ data and hope its accurate.

[Glenzig]

I'm with you and I prefer a slightly better interface than was available back in the day. It's the content that matters. I just think it's a little contradictory that they go for a more modern interface here while removing things like the compass. Either you go for classic or leave in the minor conveniences.

Also, lol at all the white knight ass kissers. Just because something is free doesn't mean you can't comment on its bad points.

Had you left out the part about the devs wasting their time and the amount of time it takes them to complete content I dont think anyone would care. Saying you don't understand why they left multiple hotbars in and took the compass out is different than calling them out on what they spend their time working on.

[apio]

They also get a lot of info from TAKP which is another PoP server, however TAKP has eqMac data dumps which is a lot more accurate than PEQ. TAKP is taking the time to parse out the eqMac data and merge it with PEQ. So p2002 can either wait for TAKP to release content which they merge into their data or just use PEQ data and hope its accurate.

This isn't true for P2002. Although we share our roots with PEQ and TAK, each server has it's own independent database at this point. Database work makes up the majority of the work that goes into developing an expansion, which is also the explanation for how we can develop content "so quickly".

[Wharhog]

Out of curiosiry, how come that the p2002 team is able to release the expansions so quickly? Do they already have the code? They are not needing to reverse engineer like you guys have done?

Content development like Haynar said is completely seperate from code development.


We have content developers who put in 30-40 hours a week on content development alone.

We have a decent database from Cavedude/Robregen's collects from AK (We use AK collects not PEQ) as fas as mob spawnpoints go......then essentially we have to create the correct roamgrids, fix NPC pathing in dungeons.....add all the missing npcs......fix stats of all the mobs. Then do loot for each mob. (we have PEQ's loot tables.....that have to be completely scrapped and redone)

Then we go onto live EQ and parse zones(that have not been revamped) for roughly 100 clears(we have alvl 100 toon so clearing zones takes a very short amount of time) to get the correct spawngroup information and live-like roamers in dungeons. Apio is the man when it comes to this!

But like P99....when you release a new expansion there will be bugs. Check back on these forum archives when Kunark came out...they had plenty. But they crushed them and that is why the product you see now on P99 is very high quality. We plan on bug crushing the entire time we are developing Velious. This entire thing is a learning process for us, we have made our notes and are getting more efficient at what we do so we can reach our goals of releasing cleaner content for each expansion.

[Orruar]

Had you left out the part about the devs wasting their time and the amount of time it takes them to complete content I dont think anyone would care. Saying you don't understand why they left multiple hotbars in and took the compass out is different than calling them out on what they spend their time working on.

Do you get upset every time someone brings up that this server has been stuck in Kunark for 4+ years? Cause that's like an hourly occurrence around here.

[Glenzig]

Do you get upset every time someone brings up that this server has been stuck in Kunark for 4+ years? Cause that's like an hourly occurrence around here.

Its completely legitimate to raise that point. It has led to a lot of issues on both servers. What I'm saying is, there is a difference between saying "we've been in Kunark for four years...not classic", and "we wouldn't be stuck in Kunark for the last four years if the devs didn't waste time on stuff no one cares about". Get what I'm saying? Not saying there aren't any negative aspects to p99, or that they can't be commented on.

[Orruar]

Its completely legitimate to raise that point. It has led to a lot of issues on both servers. What I'm saying is, there is a difference between saying "we've been in Kunark for four years...not classic", and "we wouldn't be stuck in Kunark for the last four years if the devs didn't waste time on stuff no one cares about". Get what I'm saying? Not saying there aren't any negative aspects to p99, or that they can't be commented on.

Even if the devs work on totally separate areas, the time it took Rogean to add "Compass has been removed" to the patch notes was too much wasted time for that change imo. It just seems like their priorities have been really messed up for a while as the population has patiently awaited Velious for years. We kept being told it takes a while to do such a large expansion.

The devs over on P2002 seem motivated to put effort into their server's content and it will be interesting to see if it really does take 5 years to finish Velious. I suspect the P99 excuse of "Velious is big and it takes a while to get it right" will be exposed as just that: an excuse.

[LoliPops]

Says the guy who records poorly edited videos of his Everquest character walking around Oasis to Final Fantasy Tactics music?

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1388/35/1388351186739.jpg

[Ezalor]

Says the guy who records poorly edited videos of his Everquest character walking around Oasis to Final Fantasy Tactics music?

Says the guy who has posted 45 times on an everquest forum today alone.

yiKes

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1388/35/1388351186739.jpg

[Sorkail]

Actually, dont PM me because I probably wont see it. Got pixels to get on the other server.

P2002 forums: http://p2002.com/forums/

P2002 game account creation: http://p2002.com/#/ (once youre logged in with your forum acount)

PC/Mac client download links: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?7738-Project-2002-The-Age-of-Al-Kabor-release-date-3-21-15&p=1017027&viewfull=1#post1017027

Got the PC client from rerolled, but try to open/extract and it says invalid/empty. Any advice?

[LoliPops]

http://mediaassets.naplesnews.com/photo/2014/05/28/1127_NCLO_DM_RENTALCARS_003_5339431_ver1.0_640_480 .JPG
http://www.hrpayrollsystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Fired.jpg
http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iRv7huI616qM.jpg

[Ezalor]

Says the guy who records poorly edited videos of his Everquest character walking around Oasis to Final Fantasy Tactics music?

http://i.imgur.com/RUhMR6f.jpg

[Orruar]

Says the guy who records poorly edited videos of his Everquest character walking around Oasis to Final Fantasy Tactics music?


Who were you responding to? On linear internet threads, it can be helpful to quote or at least name the person you're responding to.

[syzygyst]

Kimm is damaged, ad obviously loves to forum stalk people. Be careful or he will start IM'ing you for your A/S/L

[LoliPops]

Who were you responding to? On linear internet threads, it can be helpful to quote or at least name the person you're responding to.

LoL g1 Jibeknn alt acct.

[LoliPops]

Kimm is damaged, ad obviously loves to forum stalk people. Be careful or he will start IM'ing you for your A/S/L

Stay scared anon. Neva kno which mornin IMMA sho up IRL

[syzygyst]

Feels goog to have insane people on my ignore list.

[Pokesan]

is there ice cream on this server?

[Champion_Standing]

Stay scared anon. Neva kno which mornin IMMA sho up IRL

https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=29502906

[Secrets]

Out of curiosiry, how come that the p2002 team is able to release the expansions so quickly? Do they already have the code? They are not needing to reverse engineer like you guys have done?

It's because they have different levels of expectations of when things are deemed 'finished', and the other reason is TAKProject is a majority of code/mechanics developers and less of content developers.

Since TAKProject is open source, they can simply take the work that TAKProject has done and use it. TAK has no issues with that.

P2002 has less of those coder types, but more content developers, and naturally will have more time to dedicate to specifics due to that alone.
P2002 also uses TAKProject as a base for content - most of the work is already done for them - aside from quest scripts that are not complete and spawns that they deem incorrect. Both servers use the packet collected data that TAKProject has put out for usage, but modify it in different ways.
TAKProject takes their time to verify accuracy for quests and NPC stats before releasing content and P2002 works on getting content out, then fixes issues as they pop up.


They're practically the same server with minor differences in GM policy (rotation on TAKProject vs FFA/FTE on p2002) and NPC stats.

[FoxxHound]

Stay scared anon. Neva kno which mornin IMMA sho up IRL

Oh hey! You're back! My hand has been awfully cold without you. When can I shove it up those cheeks again?

[Wharhog]

I' ll put our quality of content up against anyone.....we will be second to no one in content quality ......and if there is anything wrong it will be fixed. We have two people putting in 40 hours a week on content each ...and I feel confident no other emu comes close to that dedication. But I would take another coder ...... Pls apply in pm.... Thnx =)

[Torven]

Out of curiosiry, how come that the p2002 team is able to release the expansions so quickly? Do they already have the code? They are not needing to reverse engineer like you guys have done?

It's simple. They have lower standards for quality than p99 does. Also the vast majority of their server was developed by other teams as they forked an open source project. They launched a mere month or so after forking. They also still, of course, pull code from TAKP, and rely on TAKP for almost all of their code work. As they forked an existing project, it's easy for them to devote a lot of time doing tedious grunt work as they are starting fresh and haven't burned out yet. Imagine how burned out p99 devs are at this point.

The database they copied already had zones from classic to PoP populated with placeholder stats and loot tables. Many of the quests were already done, or in some sort of poorly working state at least, although many more are left unfinished. Players would have no idea if, for example, an NPC was hitting at 3 attack delay instead of the 2 it should have-- they just see mobs walking around and kill them and assume it works fine. So long as quest NPCs accept their turn ins and mobs are moving and killable, they think 'this is done', but they would be in fact playing an ez-mode version of the game and not know it.

A 'roambox' system for NPC wandering which allows for rapid development of NPC movement areas was also developed after P99 forked, so it's a very easy thing to click on an NPC and input four coordinates that define the box that the NPC can wander in. You can make an outdoor zone look complete in a very short amount of time with this newer emu feature, particularly if the NPCs had already been imported. There are still accuracy issues with where and how large the boxes should be however.

Some examples of accuracy issues:

p2002's plane of air keys were made no-rent. Air keys were not no-rent, but instead poofed when you zoned. This information is readily available in old PoSky guides (http://www.guildseofon.com/raidingsky.html).

I also wrote some code to allow NPCs to see through walls in flagged zones to more accurately emulate the planes and other outdoor zones. (or more accurately, completed what cavedude started) P2002 pulled the code without knowing what it did, which caused mistmoore NPCs to ignore walls because they copied our database with all outdoor zones flaged no-LOS. Then they blamed and ridiculed me for 'setting assist radii too high' or some nonsense, not knowing what actually happened. (the assist radii for NPCs was in fact 0, meaning the same as aggro radius) One wonders if their hateplane even has LOS disabled at all.

Then there are minor issues like epic quest scripts not checking factions. Making an NPC say text and accept items is the easy part-- details like determining faction levels and such are much more difficult, and again is something most players wouldn't notice.

[Wharhog]

Nice try torven we didn't use any of your code and you have no idea what we have on our server . But anyways I will still put our content up against anyone .....and frankly let's be honest here .,...would you rather have a 100% correct ring war on launch or velious our two years sooner? Or you can put out a flawed server and take 4 months to put out out planes that still have a pile of flaws because the test server has no one on it.. Be careful throwing stones at glass houses.

[Secrets]

Nice try torven we didn't use any of your code. But anyways I will still put our content up against anyone

Do you use Melee Push?

Do mobs with spells set to 0 mana in the DB trigger their effects on cooldown?

Do you use anything on this list? https://github.com/EQMacEmu/Server/commit/b758027648a66594ca3024a38d22f31e36b60c36

Do your NPCs hit like they're supposed to with Bash?

Do innate procs of beneficial spells aggro NPCs?

Do you have spell AI radius set to 80?

Do procs only trigger on hit?

Does your cazic touch use the proper spell ID?

Do you have working bolts?

Does invisibility not stack?

Do Dragon AEs work?

Are your resists livelike?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, you may be running Torven's code. Better clean that up!

[Secrets]

Nice try torven we didn't use any of your code and you have no idea what we have on our server . But anyways I will still put our content up against anyone .....and frankly let's be honest here .,...would you rather have a 100% correct ring war on launch or velious our two years sooner? Or you can put out a flawed server and take 4 months to put out out planes that still have a pile of flaws because the test server has no one on it.. Be careful throwing stones at glass houses.

I'd rather have a 100% working ring war that is researched and verified. I don't care how long it takes, personally.

And that right there is the difference between our projects. You want it 'now, now, now' and want to be 'the first' at something. Everything is a bloody competition with P2002, from the raid scene, to the leveling grind, to the development team. No thanks.

Oh, and threatening our project. "Be careful throwing stones at glass houses." I'm so scared. What are you going to do, DDoS us into oblivion like children? Grow up.

[Pokesan]

I will never be tired of EQMac emu drama.

Malignant server should shutup tho

[Haynar]

It is a bit funny. Its like monkeys flinging poop at the zoo. Fun to watch. Til some gets in your mouth.

H

[kaev]

It is a bit funny. Its like monkeys flinging poop at the zoo. Fun to watch. Til some gets in your mouth.

H

Early lead for post of the month award! My wife is upset that my laugh woke here tho.

[Grimjaw]

i read stuff like that and dont even crack a grin. and im drunk

[apio]

Secrets, I am pretty sure Hogg was talking about this quote, and not Torven's code in general.

I also wrote some code to allow NPCs to see through walls in flagged zones to more accurately emulate the planes and other outdoor zones. (or more accurately, completed what cavedude started) P2002 pulled the code without knowing what it did, which caused mistmoore NPCs to ignore walls because they copied our database with all outdoor zones flaged no-LOS. Then they blamed and ridiculed me for 'setting assist radii too high' or some nonsense, not knowing what actually happened. (the assist radii for NPCs was in fact 0, meaning the same as aggro radius) One wonders if their hateplane even has LOS disabled at all.

If you read this thread carefully instead of just jumping to the end to troll, you would see we credit HIM and YOU both multiple times throughout this thread, on the other thread about P2002 and on our forums.

I too am kind of disappointed by the behavior in this thread, seeing as we have been nothing but non confrontational since we started our own server (which was encouraged by the TAK staff, for many reasons) You will be hard pressed to find many (unprovoked) messages like this from our staff:

It's simple. They have lower standards for quality than p99 does.
You want it 'now, now, now' and want to be 'the first' at something.
Oh, and threatening our project. "Be careful throwing stones at glass houses." I'm so scared. What are you going to do, DDoS us into oblivion like children? Grow up.
So yes. They could steal passwords. So dont use same password there.
On p2002, all the gms are in the top guild, and its only guild raiding far as i understand.
P2002 is about people taking EverQuest so seriously that they make their own server because they cannot handle guild politics and cry about it. Arm and Hammered EQ is no different than EQTitan


The bottom line is, P2002 is closed source at this moment. That means any speculation you might hear about our server is just that, speculation. None of the TAK staff has ever played on our box (except for Secrets, who came online in one of the first days warping around and openly using hacks until he got banned, something I guess he feels he is entitled to, working on the netcode? I don't know) so they quite frankly have no idea what they are talking about when they are criticizing our progress and content quality

[Baler]

http://asset-f.soup.io/asset/11467/7489_f13e.gif
for the OP who didn't see it coming.

Lock this thread and let it rot!

[Torven]

Secrets, I am pretty sure Hogg was talking about this quote, and not Torven's code in general.
...
I too am kind of disappointed by the behavior in this thread, seeing as we have been nothing but non confrontational since we started our own server

Well since you guys still don't seem to know what I'm talking about, I'll quote two posts from your forums:

Walls in mistmoore are not acting as line of sight barriers to assist additional nearby mobs. I'm not sure if you know this but just letting you chaps know that when within the castle, the walls do not prevent aggro from bouncing

This is fixed, so the castle should be playeable after reboot. We had what we have dubbed "torven-mode" going on in there. Where mob assist radii were set to beyond obnoxious levels to recreate some kind of hard mode that never existed.

I would also classify this (http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=104) as something less than cordial.

Your first p2002 thread was also full of 'TAKP devs are all in Destiny and there is GM favoritism' posts, along with comments like 'if you want loot handed to you on a silver platter, play on TAKP' or 'unlike other servers...'

Of course now that you have launched a server using our work, you want to act more respectful. Don't think we have forgotten posts like these (http://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4488525).

[Secrets]

You will be hard pressed to find many (unprovoked) messages like this from our staff:

Yes - instead you'll get blatant lies about content and what you've actually done. Hint: you've done a few quest scripts and modified a few NPC stats to make your game what you think is right. I'm okay with that, but don't call the base work your own, that's just insensitive as fuck to my team.


The bottom line is, P2002 is closed source at this moment. That means any speculation you might hear about our server is just that, speculation. None of the TAK staff has ever played on our box (except for Secrets, who came online in one of the first days warping around and openly using hacks until he got banned, something I guess he feels he is entitled to, working on the netcode? I don't know) so they quite frankly have no idea what they are talking about when they are criticizing our progress and content quality

It is not speculation. You took advantage of an open source project and threw their development team under the bus that made your server possible by claiming their work as your own. Just because you are 'closed source' doesn't mean it gives you an excuse to claim everything you have done as yours. Much like I can't claim that TAK wouldn't be possible without a lot of the work Harakiri and Yeahlight did on EQClassic/Trilogy as most of the structures were used as a starting point for the Mac client before I dumped the protocol from the client itself.

When you start saying that you can do a better job than us, it becomes something personal. So here's something personal back:

Shut the fuck up. No one cares. This isn't a competition and you are hurting the remnants of the EQMac community by splintering into p2002. Your server is what I was trying to avoid when I started this project; 'holier than thou' attitudes and competition instead of sharing code and content with each other. You're only hurting the players by doing this.

You cannot argue against this; you are refusing to give back to the open source project because you want to be 'the best' and this is going to bite the players in the ass in the end if they truly do like your server more than ours - you are removing the option for people to play where they please by closed sourcing your project, which was my only request with the project, is that you keep it open sourced, as you have quoted me saying, so people can choose where to play. What happens if your GM team is corrupt and someone wants to make their own P2002? Shit ain't happening because of you.

If someone says, "You can have this for free and I expect nothing but your contributions in return" and you say "I am not giving you anything back, thanks for the free stuff", does that put you in the wrong? Yes.

You won't see P2002 GMs saying what I say because they don't have the balls to say it on a public forum; they'd rather talk about people behind their back and laugh privately, 'oh, look, Secrets posted another rant about our server, haha, how funny is that? look how mad Secrets is getting!' - You are cowards and attention seekers, and I find that despicable.

Requesting move to R&F.

[Secrets]

Just realized how much guilt I have for posting the above... disregard what I posted, arguing is pointless I suppose. I'm posting out of anger and I really shouldn't be posting right now. Running on little to no sleep and getting upset over something so trivial is pointless.

[Barkingturtle]

Honestly, none of you have done a great job representing your respective servers in this thread. I guess this Apio guy is at least remaining mostly calm. Personally, I'm gonna keep playing exclusively on Red because it feels like a more positive community than p2002 or TAK. This thread is my first impression of both -- I ain't alone in my assessment, I'm sure.

In the future, before you post your bitchy nerd-rants, I simply suggest you ask yourselves, "What would Nilbog do?" That dude is all class, all the time. Like Jesus but with more credibility.

[Laugher]

"What would Nilbog do?" That dude is all class, all the time. Like Jesus but with more credibility.

Wwnd hehehe

[apio]

Oh I do not deny I was making a ruckus before on TAK, that was because I was merely a player at that point, and our guild and myself were being treated like 2nd class citizens on the server (despite making up 80% of it's population at that point) simply because we were not casual players.

I could go on and on about how I appealed my ban and other than some lengthy post by Speedz that was full of lies and slander and didn't contain a single shred of evidence of my "commited crimes" and even though I gave Zarwayne access to my forum account to go through my PM history such evidence never surfaced.

BUT

I have since realized that there is more than enough room for 2 projects that stop at PoP, and that it gives BOTH casual and "hardcore" players a chance to each realize their own play style - Both servers existing serves both servers, and we can help each other out.

Additionally I think starting a dick swinging contest on the forums doesn't server P2002 or TAK, and I have stated this many many times in this thread.


If you want to bring up the past, let us please air ALL the dirty laundry and not just the part that makes Project 2002 look bad. But instead, I say: let bygones be bygones, and let us have a dialogue and stop this misinformation/smear campaign

This goes out to both sides


PS:


It is not speculation. You took advantage of an open source project and threw their development team under the bus that made your server possible by claiming their work as your own. Just because you are 'closed source' doesn't mean it gives you an excuse to claim everything you have done as yours. Much like I can't claim that TAK wouldn't be possible without a lot of the work Harakiri and Yeahlight did on EQClassic/Trilogy as most of the structures were used as a starting point for the Mac client before I dumped the protocol from the client itself

More lies and slander. We have in the past and will in the future keep crediting the TAK team for their dedication and work, and we have NEVER, I repeat, NEVER claimed any of your work as our own. We actually helped you get the database to where you had it when we split off, so that is another point to consider, and we are still actively contributing a lot of stuff to TAK. Just 2 weeks ago we shared ALL the Kunark Epic Scripts.


You didn't hate on our project when you were still trying to take credit for it, Secrets, please try to remember that. There is links to the post on rerolled in this very thread

[BossThunderace]

look how mad Secrets is getting!

Classic

[BossThunderace]

I say: let bygones be bygones, and let us have a dialogue and stop this misinformation/smear campaign

This goes out to both sides


^^^

Happy Saturday :)

[Lorian]

I recommend a beer or two! :)

[Sketched]

Is P2002 totally closed source? I am pretty sure TAKP is open, minus the cheat protection. That is a fairly important detail. Much nicer to play and contribute somewhere open, but that is just me

[kdko]

No, it wasn't, or at least not in any way an emulated server can reproduce. On live to box you had to:


have multiple physical computers
pay $15 per boxed account
have an internet connection with enough bandwidth


No one in the classic era ever had even a single free account, let alone 2+, and even if they were willing to pay for extra accounts they couldn't use them from the same computer because the client could only handle one instance (you could run multiple instances by using EQW, but that was a banned 3rd-party program). And even if you did have 2x accounts and 2x computers, you needed a (at the time very pricey) ISDN or DSL line, or you needed multiple phone lines/ISP accounts.

So, paying $30+ a month, having two computers, and paying out the nose for an internet connection that could handle both of them was classic; everything else isn't.

You're obviously misinformed, or never played classic EQ. There were tons of us who borrowed guild accounts to box and power level our own toons, using EQW, which didn't take any bandwidth whatsoever. There was no need to pay for a separate account on your own. Nice try defending your outdated and ignorant logic though. Just say you don't agree with it than make up some bs.

[Greengrocer]

Just wanted to post here and say that I did not consider Project 2002.

[loramin]

Nice try defending your outdated and ignorant logic though. Just say you don't agree with it than make up some bs.

using EQW

So boxing was totally allowed ... if you used a banned program. Seems like sound logic to me. :rolleyes:

[BossThunderace]

There were tons of us who borrowed guild accounts to box and power level our own toons, using EQW, which didn't take any bandwidth whatsoever. There was no need to pay for a separate account on your own.

I'll have to agree with kdko, back in the day.. I used guildies/friends accounts + EQW. Thus creating a bond of pixels that could be broken with account stripping etc, the stuff that assholes still do to this day.

Everyone has their own perception of classic, and that my friends - is classic. ;)

[BossThunderace]

Just wanted to post here and say that I did not consider Project 2002.

We appreciate your bump. <3

[BossThunderace]

Bam

It's pretty great. The client is older so it's actually era appropriate, and the people are exceedingly helpful and friendly. The pop is still kinda low, but it's on the rise.


Now, before you say "wahhh it allows boxing" there are some things you should know. The max number of toons boxed is 3, so theres no full party/raid being controlled by one neckbeard stealing up all the pixels, and automation isnt allowed. Ever seen a small herd of wizards all casting the same spell at the same time? that's automation. 1 key, 1 action, 1 toon. basically youre allowed to use a screen switcher, but nothing more intricate, so players (not software) are playing the other toons. And if you dont want to box, don't box. Only want to dual box? only dual box.


It's super easy to get set up, only took me about 5 minutes to get in-game once i had downloaded the client. no install needed, you just extract the zip to your C drive and run the game.


NOW HERE'S THE REAL GAME CHANGER
No handholding GMs giving out preferential treatment to their real life pals, no welfare pixels, and legit player controlled raiding. The GMs arent going to get involved, and based on the community, that responsibility being given to the players is very well deserved. Everyone I've encountered is mature and respectable, and probably has more going for them in life than VP gear.


Not only that, but you can look forward to actual progression on this server. Right now all the classic content is in-game (plus quests and such that came with luclin and PoP to classic zones/cities). Kunark will be dropping soon, and they actually mean soon. No waiting years after they say it's on the way like some other emu servers. PoK is up and running. Iksar and moon cats are playable and their starting areas are up, so if you want to be a reptile or a furry you can.




If anyone is interested in trying it out, shoot me a PM and i'll get you a link to the client download and help you get set up.


Bam

Actually, dont PM me because I probably wont see it. Got pixels to get on the other server.

P2002 forums: http://p2002.com/forums/

P2002 game account creation: http://p2002.com/#/ (once youre logged in with your forum acount)

PC/Mac client download links: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?7738-Project-2002-The-Age-of-Al-Kabor-release-date-3-21-15&p=1017027&viewfull=1#post1017027


rip DeathWalking

[Lorian]

Well, I'll be on P2002 until the hybrid xp penalty poofs here at p99, so at least until spring next year (6 months in to the release). I just set up a second account on a different computer so I can box, but the last week i have actually had more groups on P2002 than I ever had on P99 in a single week.

P99, although a superb server, has become a victim of its own popularity like a very trendy restaurant at peak hour where the regulars and rich people have already taken all the seats. :P

[budorf]

Still playing, still enjoying this server. Have my team up to level 24 now. Despite the boxing, I've actually grouped on this server quite a bit, and met some cool people. The global ooc really helps with the socialization since the pop is so low. But because of that, people really help each other out a lot. It's not for everyone, clearly, but it's definitely a nice departure from the P99 experience. My biggest problem at this point is that I chose the name "Stannis" for my Shadow Knight...

[Wharhog]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=505 problem solved!

[Lorian]

Still playing, still enjoying this server. Have my team up to level 24 now. Despite the boxing, I've actually grouped on this server quite a bit, and met some cool people. The global ooc really helps with the socialization since the pop is so low. But because of that, people really help each other out a lot. It's not for everyone, clearly, but it's definitely a nice departure from the P99 experience. My biggest problem at this point is that I chose the name "Stannis" for my Shadow Knight...

Wooa, you were like 19 the other day when we played. I guess levels fly when you have a three box! :)

[Froakula]

I followed the instructions but couldn't get it to connect to anything but TAK server.

[BossThunderace]

I followed the instructions but couldn't get it to connect to anything but TAK server.

EQ host file: download it and copy and paste over the current one.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fzz7yqozvh97ub9/eqhost.txt?dl=0

[Froakula]

I have that as the host which is why it's so odd it connects to TAK server. I'm running eqw as admin also.

[Furst]

Is your eqw.exe pointing to the right directory?

[Wharhog]

^ guarantee Furst has the issue correct....make sure in the "executable to launch" box it has the folder where you put the host file.

[katrik]

Why would anyone want to play on a server with boxing? Community and socializing is half the fun.

[Akillez]

I Socialize just as much on p2002 as i did on p99, the people are pretty nice

[Froakula]

Doh! That fixed it lol thanks :)

[BossThunderace]

Why would anyone want to play on a server with boxing? Community and socializing is half the fun.

Because. THE UNIVERSE.

btw, p2002 has an awesome community and social players. Come check it out, your iksar shaman hate gear awaits you

[Froakula]

Just wanted to check it out. I noticed you can't release the mouse like on p99 in windowed mode unless you hit a key [ or alt tab. Wish you could just move mouse freely in and out of the window :/

[Wharhog]

~ swaps windows on eqw if you are using two monitors.

[budorf]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=505 problem solved!

Haha, awesome! Glad to know that is available. I may keep the name though. Being a human SK, makes more sense to be a bad guy in the roleplaying sense at least.

[Bristlebard]

What's the population like? I know it was a Tuesday afternoon, but I was pretty bummed to see 16 total characters online earlier today when I got it set up.

[Wharhog]

Pop was 90 the other night during prime time . I expect to see it over 200 at kunark launch

[jetviper21]

It is not speculation. You took advantage of an open source project and threw their development team under the bus that made your server possible by claiming their work as your own. Just because you are 'closed source' doesn't mean it gives you an excuse to claim everything you have done as yours.


You can not make this statement. For two reasons.

1. It was the tak team that told p2002 to go make a server if they did not like tak. So they did.

2. Every open source project is out there in the wild is to be taken advantage of... that is kind of the entire point of open source. Even p99 took advantage of some older EQEMU code when they got started. I bet their database wasn't even from scratch. So the logic in this argument is flawed if you didn't want people to take what you started and use it for enjoyment then why publish it as open source in the first place.

I think the key thing everyone forget is that the majority of p2002 developers were beta testers from tak WE HELPED BUILD IT. You you simply can not make the claim we took advantage of tak when in fact we were apart of tak. That would be like taking advantage of yourself which can be quite pleasurable.

I will dump both of the databases so you can see the content diff and you can see how much of tak we actually kept if you are that concerned about it. But to be honest you and torven are the only ones that seem to respond with hostility to p2002 threads. Its like you play a game to bait wharhogg out to look like an idiot (which he is quite good at).

All in all P2002 was born because some of the developers on the tak project have personality conflicts with the P2002 staff and in order to make the play ground fun again we decided to part ways. We all would still probably working on tak if those rough edges hadn't of collided.

[Secrets]

1. It was the tak team that told p2002 to go make a server if they did not like tak. So they did.

You can make a server but you are breaching the one simple request that we made: keep it open sourced so if someone hates your server they can make a clone of your server.

So the logic in this argument is flawed if you didn't want people to take what you started and use it for enjoyment then why publish it as open source in the first place.

So it can be preserved. I don't care who runs it, never have, but obviously I would be taken back a bit if someone were to run off with the project and make it closed source while the open source project(s) could benefit in some way. If this is farfetched to you as a software developer, then maybe you should stop looking at this like it's a for-profit venture and more like FOSS.

It's not a competition, as I have stated before. People are entitled to take Linux and download and install it, but the mentality behind the project is you can't just be like Nvidia and close-source your drivers because 'you don't want trade secrets out'.

That's not how it works, and why Linus Torvalds has said fuck you to Nvidia on multiple occasions.

But to be honest you and torven are the only ones that seem to respond with hostility to p2002 threads.

I'm pretty sure all hostility is because we were provoked into responding by members of your server. I am willing to take you serious if it isn't a competition and a competition mentality isn't promoted between us. I am also willing to put this topic aside for the greater part of what we're both working for: preserving EQMac.

We all would still probably working on tak

You can't make the claim, as a team, that you are contributing, which other developers have claimed, while other developers claim blatantly that you aren't contributing such as the above.

I have seen some path files contributed lately (and I thank you guys for that, they are great) and i've also seen comments saying 'we're withholding data you can have'. TAK is not withholding data and will never withhold data.

So drop that mentality and let's get some 2002-era EverQuest made. I am sick of reading such vile hatred for both of our projects.

I am open to working with you guys and implementing your contributions. Always have been. I don't think anyone would reject contributions because of who a person is, or what they've done. Just need to see it happen.

[apio]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=554

We are done arguing with you about this. If you have something of value to add, you are welcome to join the discussion on our forum, have a nice day!

[BossThunderace]

7 days until Kunark goes live, be there for GM event!

[Secrets]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=554

We are done arguing with you about this. If you have something of value to add, you are welcome to join the discussion on our forum, have a nice day!

So you're not willing to share information back because you perceive us as a threat.

I'm not going to post on your forums anything more than I have said here - information can be modified there beyond our control based on your likings. You can talk to me in IRC if you want to talk about contributions.

Personally, the way some people from the TAK staff have handled the situation is just more reason for me to NOT share information. First off we didn't receive any credit for all the work we had put in on TAK in the first place, and the continuous criticism we have to face DESPITE leaving like they asked us to while still contributing back, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. But having an Allaclone will help us as a project more than it will hurt us, because it will be way easier for our players to actively contribute, and that positive far outweighs any negatives

Again with the competitive mentality. It is not about how much you contribute to a project. It is about goals being reached as a community. I'm not going to write a web crawler to search an allaclone when that information should be submitted to us.

As I have said before, contact me about contributing. I am in irc.eqemulator.net:6667 #eqemucoders - feel free to contact me through private messages there and we can talk reasonably instead of through forum banter.

[apio]

As of 2 days ago, we have released the Hole and Stonebrunt Mountains.

Kunark will be launched on Friday, June 19th, with an event. Meet in the Plane of Knowledge at 7 PM EST /4 PM PST / 11 PM GMT for the continuation of Firiona Vie's saga! (players of all levels are welcome to attend)

We hope to see you all there :)

[snoopdog]

It is a bit funny. Its like monkeys flinging poop at the zoo. Fun to watch. Til some gets in your mouth.

H

Haynar is always comedy gold, even when he is not trolling.

[BossThunderace]

Haynar is always comedy gold, even when he is not trolling.

Haynar, thanks for your work. It is appreciated.

P2002 Kunark opens this Friday! GM event has been scheduled for 7p EST. Get there!!

[Nads]

So I'm assuming p2002 is the more populated server? And it's the native first person version of EQ correct? I may get on this just to experience an expansion event..never had the chance before.

[gildor]

p2002 is ok, its fun playing a vah shir beastlord, but man the client is hard to deal with..

[budorf]

Client is definitely a step back, but you get used to it. I always used the F9 3rd person view anyway, so it doesn't bother me much.

[Lorian]

Well its an authentic client from 2002 that does contribute to the classic feel, and sometimes annoy me after having used Titanium for a long time. However after almost two weeks at p2002 I've gotten used to it. One advantage with the client is that due to being simpler, it loads much quicker.

[Jimjam]

Well titanium loads pretty much instantly and if it loads faster than instantly it must pretty much just be a time machine that takes you back to 2002.

[Lorian]

it must pretty much just be a time machine that takes you back to 2002.

Word! That is the experience you get on p2002

[jetviper21]

You can make a server but you are breaching the one simple request that we made: keep it open sourced so if someone hates your server they can make a clone of your server.

Sure they can! They can do compile the same source tak uses just like we do. Given we have reverted a few things. but we have not added any new features.

And a note on contributing: The merge delta for back merging all our database and quest work would be enormous our database ids will not align correctly with tak's. you can't merge a database like you can with source code. If you have a sane suggestion for this then we can open a contribution channel but, sadly I don't think that is possible given that we have redone huge sections of the database. If its content based then we have our allaclone open now.

[BossThunderace]

So I'm assuming p2002 is the more populated server? And it's the native first person version of EQ correct? I may get on this just to experience an expansion event..never had the chance before.

Word! That is the experience you get on p2002

Lots of new faces on the server, pop growing!!

[Tollen]

So I'm assuming p2002 is the more populated server? And it's the native first person version of EQ correct? I may get on this just to experience an expansion event..never had the chance before.

not really, you can view in 3rd person just not with scroll wheel.

[Pokesan]

if you guys would just kiss, make up, and merge servers I'd play there for sure. it sucks having two PoP servers unplayable due to nerd slapfights

[BossThunderace]

if you guys would just kiss, make up, and merge servers I'd play there for sure. it sucks having two PoP servers unplayable due to nerd slapfights

/slap

[Namfoodle]

/slap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4akMaeZ0-k#t=1m6s

[Haynar]

They are run different ways. One will end up doing better than the other. One server will end up the Fippy and the other Vulak.

[Torven]

And a note on contributing: The merge delta for back merging all our database and quest work would be enormous our database ids will not align correctly with tak's. you can't merge a database like you can with source code.

It doesn't matter because Rob and I would reject most of your database edits anyway.

DB work is different than code in that it's more subjective. Both teams fundamentally disagree on very basic things such as drop rates. P2002's drop rates are way higher than I would deem acceptable. The loot tables are not even 'compatible' because they refuse to merge the KLS loot code fixes. Not to mention the many lootdrop errors like incorrect hate mini drops.

I also just edited NPC stats for literally almost every NPC in the game after classic, so overwriting our NPCs with theirs would end up reverting NPC stats back to PEQ's bad values.

[Cecily]

So I considered project 2002 and I read that there was ~70 people on usually including the 3 boxing. Yeah...

[apio]

DB work is different than code in that it's more subjective. Both teams fundamentally disagree on very basic things such as drop rates. P2002's drop rates are way higher than I would deem acceptable. Not to mention the many lootdrop errors like incorrect hate mini drops.

If anyone sees a wrong value for our drop rates (they are all available on our AllaClone), they are encouraged to report them on our bug forums.

[Haynar]

If anyone sees a wrong value for our drop rates (they are all available on our AllaClone), they are encouraged to report them on our bug forums.

I think you are missing the point.

They wanted to have a master db and code. And the p2002 intentionally diverged so stuff could not be patched backwards to takp. Basically a huge slap in the face to the takp team on what they were trying to achieve, when p2002 is constantly doing a comparison to takp.

There is no longer a valid comparison between the two anymore. P2002 is a fork from takp. They are now being developed independently basically.

H

[Wharhog]

Why are we back to squabbling? You do whatever you want with your database, we'll do ours. We contribute back what is comparable....ie .path files and lua's.


Torven you are an excellent troll, your trolling skills have been proven. Why don't you spend your energy telling the world how great your server is rather than attempting to shit on ours?

Thanks
-Hogg

[apio]

And the p2002 intentionally diverged so stuff could not be patched backwards to takp.

This is a ridiculous statement

[Namfoodle]

So I considered project 2002 and I read that there was ~70 people on usually including the 3 boxing. Yeah...

The population is definitely low, but growing. If you enjoy pop-era EQ, I'd say check it out and help the numbers grow. If you are too turned off by the low pop., just keep an eye on this thread and we'll certainly be posting new population milestones. :)

[BossThunderace]

P2002 Kunark opens tomorrow! GM event has been scheduled for 7p EST. Get there!!

/dance
http://www.animateit.net/data/media/august2009/m_95be7a97332c4749bdbe3cb414d54638.gif

[Nads]

I entered the proper line in the ini file to enable windowed mode, but it's pretty wonky. Like I don't have the red, yellow, and green window buttons in the top left corner. Is there a way to fix that?

[apio]

That is weird. I only played on a hackintosh for a while but I do remember having the mac titlebar at the top of my windows. It might be related to a different version of OSX. I will see what I can dig up

Edit: Yes it is as I expected. Usually people are looking for ways to actually hide that bar instead of making it appear, because it usually blocks the netstats in the top left corner of the window and you will not see your connection information.

Is there a specific reason why you want access to those buttons?

[BossThunderace]

I entered the proper line in the ini file to enable windowed mode, but it's pretty wonky. Like I don't have the red, yellow, and green window buttons in the top left corner. Is there a way to fix that?

Its working properly. On my mac I don't have the buttons either. I swap desktops if I want to browse the web etc

[Haynar]

This is a ridiculous statement

Monkey Poop.

[Haynar]

Why are we back to squabbling? You do whatever you want with your database, we'll do ours. We contribute back what is comparable....ie .path files and lua's.


Torven you are an excellent troll, your trolling skills have been proven. Why don't you spend your energy telling the world how great your server is rather than attempting to shit on ours?

Thanks
-Hogg

Monkey poop....

[Torven]

Basically a huge slap in the face to the takp team on what they were trying to achieve,

I somewhat disagree with you and Secrets. I'd rather their project remain closed. If people are going to set up their own servers, I'd rather they clone ours. P2002 closing their project removes the decision.

[snoopdog]

I somewhat disagree with you and Secrets. I'd rather their project remain closed. If people are going to set up their own servers, I'd rather they clone ours. P2002 closing their project removes the decision.

I mean they probably have not changed much of their source code. I use a mix of the EqEmu source code and even have used a few blocks from your source code. Some of it I have written myself. I will let someone have my source if they wanted it, but it is just bits and pieces from everywhere, nothing at all special.

[Nads]

That is weird. I only played on a hackintosh for a while but I do remember having the mac titlebar at the top of my windows. It might be related to a different version of OSX. I will see what I can dig up

Edit: Yes it is as I expected. Usually people are looking for ways to actually hide that bar instead of making it appear, because it usually blocks the netstats in the top left corner of the window and you will not see your connection information.

Is there a specific reason why you want access to those buttons?

Just to be able to move the window around freely and to minimize it completely if I want to. The native windowed mode doesn't allow me to minimize/alt-tab at will.

[Wharhog]

Set up spaces and assign eq to window 2 and then you just use 1 key to swap windows. This should allow you to do what you want to do.

[Haynar]

I somewhat disagree with you and Secrets. I'd rather their project remain closed. If people are going to set up their own servers, I'd rather they clone ours. P2002 closing their project removes the decision.

I never said they should release their db. At this point it would be used to refute claims of whose db is more accurate, who has done more work. Who has the better db.

In summary... It would lead to slinging more monkey poop.

No thanks.

[Namfoodle]

If you want to see some p2002 raiding I'm streaming currently, and I'll stream the launch event tomorrow as well!

http://www.twitch.tv/javvoyo

[BossThunderace]

Monkey Poop.

Monkey poop....

I never said they should release their db. At this point it would be used to refute claims of whose db is more accurate, who has done more work. Who has the better db.

In summary... It would lead to slinging more monkey poop.

No thanks.

What is with you and monkey poop?

[Malrakh]

After doing p99 for a few weeks (25 Chanter), I've made the switch to p2002 and I'm not looking back. The population is definitely lower right now but their speed and quality of pushing content will change that. The client is worse in some ways but it's a small price to pay for me. Don't tri-box if you don't want to!

I love p99 but stopping at Velious is a deal breaker for me. Give it a shot! I'm leveling a druid now to help with PLs to make the transition easier for those that don't want to re-grind earlier levels.

[sOurDieSel]

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Map_rav_kunark.jpg

Kunark Launch Today 7pm EST!

[apio]

http://i.imgur.com/fsdteCV.jpg

[Lorian]

It was a great GM event!!! :)

[B4EQWASCOOL]

What was the population on kunark release

[Sivaeb]

i like it, played a few times. But, not being able to bind strafe to Q and E is almost a deal breaker. too used to using it

[Wharhog]

125, population steadily climbing!

[Swish]

125 including boxers? Kind of sort of maybe tempted but the thought of boxing... its like switching from a religion you've known all your life to a new one :p

[Riotgirl]

After doing p99 for a few weeks (25 Chanter), I've made the switch to p2002 and I'm not looking back. The population is definitely lower right now but their speed and quality of pushing content will change that. The client is worse in some ways but it's a small price to pay for me. Don't tri-box if you don't want to!

I love p99 but stopping at Velious is a deal breaker for me. Give it a shot! I'm leveling a druid now to help with PLs to make the transition easier for those that don't want to re-grind earlier levels.

All the best with your switch. You've made the right decision if you want Luclin and POP content. I chose P99 for (a) stopping at Velious, (b) population, and (c) no boxing. The best thing is that we both get to play EQ in the way that we wish to play.

Cheers!

[Lorian]

I chose P99 for (a) stopping at Velious, (b) population, and (c) no boxing. The best thing is that we both get to play EQ in the way that we wish to play.


The ultimate thing for me would be a server that had PoP but no boxing and higher pop. Like a p99 in PoP era.

[BossThunderace]

Since the release of Kunark there are lots of pixels to be showered upon new players. Come and play! Lots of new people lfg

[Namfoodle]

Tegu I miss you bud wru? :(

[BossThunderace]

Tegu I miss you bud wru? :(


"A p2002 bromance" to be continued.<3


Tegu was on the other night

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Watched the stream that was posted. Reminded me that I boxed back in the day warrior/druid. Pretty nostalgic. It was later on, though, like LDON xpac days.

[wormed]

The ultimate thing for me would be a server that had PoP but no boxing and higher pop. Like a p99 in PoP era.

I'd like to see P99 get to PoP, but I understand why it won't. Luclin would be nice. :p

[Deckk]

The ultimate server:

p99 client
Through PoP

Would be awesome.

I'm debating getting into p2002... But it's so tough to make the move given how much I absolutely despise the F9 camera switch and not being able to pan around with the right mouse. It seems like such a small deal but it's crushing...

[loramin]

The ultimate server:

p99 client
Through PoP


If that server ever existed and IF it was run at the same high level of quality as this server ... I think half the population would jump ship for it.

[snoopdog]

PoP was okay, but Luclin was just so strange. Aliens, the Moon, weird expansion.

[BossThunderace]

come check out the server! single boxers welcome! p2002 community growing! Vox & Naggy need to be killed by a new round of players!!

:)

[Deckk]

I keep trying it. I really do.

But the client is just such a bummer... The graphics era blows. Even if I changed character models to classic, the zones look like absolute crap. I doubt I totally give up. I want to like this server as a "switch to this screen while medding" on p99 option. But that client though.

[apio]

You can update zone textures with the update that's available here on the forum, same thing goes for updated character models (unfortunately there exist some transparency issues with the character texture update)

[Furniture]

The client is fine and i prefer it to the p99 client. You get used to not mouse-wheeling quickly. If you are continually playing P99 while playing this client of course you are going to keep getting frustrated.

Just for the record, takproject are the only people who released a high quality classic server open source for everyone to use. Haynar, secrets, robregen, speeds, etc. are saviors of classic everquest and now anyone can run their own classic server up until PoP if they want. For this reason alone I prefer takproject over p2002 any day.

[Roguejm11]

If that server ever existed and IF it was run at the same high level of quality as this server ... I think half the population would jump ship for it.

^

[Haynar]

Always remember that the person promoting the server may not represent how the server is run. That kept me from being involved from takp, based on who was the most vocal advertiser. Even though Deathwalking/Forumshifter is advertising the loudest, he does not represent how the server is run.

Takp is a great server. P2002 might be too. P2002 just has a more hands-off approach by GMs which will be more appealing to some. More paricularly when it comes to managing raid rotations, etc..

H

[Ella`Ella]

Takp is a great server. P2002 might be too. P2002 just has a more hands-off approach by GMs which will be more appealing to some. More paricularly when it comes to managing raid rotations, etc..

H

Haynar, do you favor or oppose strong GM intervention in the raid scene?

[Deckk]

The client is fine and i prefer it to the p99 client. You get used to not mouse-wheeling quickly. If you are continually playing P99 while playing this client of course you are going to keep getting frustrated.


It's not even just the mouse wheel. It's the zone textures. I can't stand them. They drive me nuts.

[Lorian]

It's not even just the mouse wheel. It's the zone textures. I can't stand them. They drive me nuts.

They're classic, after a few weeks playing you'll get used to them plus you'll grow a few extra chest hairs in the process

[apio]

www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2482

You should be able to replace the zone textures with these

[Deckk]

They're classic, after a few weeks playing you'll get used to them plus you'll grow a few extra chest hairs in the process

Those textures aren't classic.

Classic are the textures on p99. The square pixeled stuff.

The ones on p2002 are NOT classic textures. Classic to that era? Probably. But not classic to the original game.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

The ultimate server:

p99 client
Through PoP

Would be awesome.

I'm debating getting into p2002... But it's so tough to make the move given how much I absolutely despise the F9 camera switch and not being able to pan around with the right mouse. It seems like such a small deal but it's crushing...

I use w for forward, a and d strafe and use the right click of the mouse to turn.

Are you saying I would have to key turn?

[Deckk]

I use w for forward, a and d strafe and use the right click of the mouse to turn.

Are you saying I would have to key turn?

No, you can move with those keys. You can't adjust the camera with the right mouse or the mouse wheel. Well, you can move it a bit, but no where near as efficiently.

[Haynar]

Haynar, do you favor or oppose strong GM intervention in the raid scene?

I favor strong GM intervention when those that are raiding cannot get along. Translation, when it creates more work for the GMs from all the drama, and the raid scene is nothing but a cesspool of scum and villany, and GM intervention actually makes it less work then, yes to GM intervention.

If you can have raiding guilds work it out and get along? Then let them manage it.

I have never seen it work out on its own, for competetive raiding on eqemu.

Example: p99.

Takp: the users voted to manage themselves, but then they did nothing to actually manage it. Lots of drama. GMs intervened.

P2002: no competetive raid scene. Basically one guild raiding last I heard.

EQEmu raiders don't get along, in a real competitive environment.

[Tiewon Shu]

I would totally have played Project 2002, but it's the boxing and low population I cannot get over.

[BossThunderace]

I favor strong GM intervention when those that are raiding cannot get along. Translation, when it creates more work for the GMs from all the drama, and the raid scene is nothing but a cesspool of scum and villany, and GM intervention actually makes it less work then, yes to GM intervention.

If you can have raiding guilds work it out and get along? Then let them manage it.

I have never seen it work out on its own, for competetive raiding on eqemu.

Example: p99.

Takp: the users voted to manage themselves, but then they did nothing to actually manage it. Lots of drama. GMs intervened.

P2002: no competetive raid scene. Basically one guild raiding last I heard.

EQEmu raiders don't get along, in a real competitive environment.


Any recollection of AK live?

Non-GM intervention, 2 or 3 guilds at the top of progression, respectfully rotated raid mobs.

...

takp = GM intervention raid scene

p2002 = Non-GM intervention raid scene

pick your posion

[Haynar]

Didnt play on AK raiding.

EMU servers have way more asshats.

I like to box. I cant stand not to box. Takp has enough ppl that a non boxer can find groups. As long as u dont hate grouping with boxers. There are plenty of ppl on p2002 that will let non-boxers join them. I know some of ppl who went from takp to p2002, helped out new ppl, giving away gear, etc. apio was really good at helping new ppl out.

I also like tradeskilling. Boxing helps farm stuff imho.

[Alarti0001]

I favor strong GM intervention when those that are raiding cannot get along. Translation, when it creates more work for the GMs from all the drama, and the raid scene is nothing but a cesspool of scum and villany, and GM intervention actually makes it less work then, yes to GM intervention.

If you can have raiding guilds work it out and get along? Then let them manage it.

I have never seen it work out on its own, for competetive raiding on eqemu.

Example: p99.

Takp: the users voted to manage themselves, but then they did nothing to actually manage it. Lots of drama. GMs intervened.

P2002: no competetive raid scene. Basically one guild raiding last I heard.

EQEmu raiders don't get along, in a real competitive environment.


Not sure how P99 is an example. The raid guilds never had the freedom to manage themselves.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not sure how P99 is an example. The raid guilds never had the freedom to manage themselves.

You're still as full of shit as ever I see.

[Haynar]

P99 is a perfect example of how raiding guilds cannot get along. Privledge is associate to how long and full ur poop sock is.

Doofus.

[Furniture]

I've been boxing groups on my own private al'kabor server with MQ2 and I absolutely love it. It is a game of micromanagement of several characters, programming (writing your own mq2 macros), and good old everquest and with enough experience writing quality macros you can just play one character and use simple commands to tell your group what to do and let the macros take care of the rest (clerics healing when hp low, etc.). At the moment I am maining a rogue in a 6 person group and dont have to switch to any of my other characters to do anything. It is like p99 minus all the idiots.

I really cant say I enjoy the boxing on Al'kabor or P2002 without MQ2. It turns it into a really fucking annoying game of alt tabbing and manually clicking and entering keystrokes that way and i think it is just plain tedious as hell. I understand why these servers don't allow mq2 though and I agree with it, but I do think the servers would be more fun (for me) without boxing.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

No, you can move with those keys. You can't adjust the camera with the right mouse or the mouse wheel. Well, you can move it a bit, but no where near as efficiently.

I could handle the mouse wheel. From what I understand, you can still get to the same view. You just have to hit f9.

If I have to turn my character with the keyboard instead of mouse, I would feel sluggish.

[Champion_Standing]

Not sure how P99 is an example. The raid guilds never had the freedom to manage themselves.

Sure they were, just couldn't handle it. Pretty sure the first raid ever on p99 needed gm babysitting. Secrets tell us some stories plz?

[Furniture]

I think freedom to manage it themselves would be more along the lines of no gm involvement whatsoever and over time it would (hopefully) get worked out among the players.

There has never been no gm involvement on this server and I even remember prekunark a dev altering pathing in permafrost secretly overnight to make his competition wipe and give his own guild the advantage.

[Wharhog]

There has never been no gm involvement on this server and I even remember prekunark a dev altering pathing in permafrost secretly overnight to make his competition wipe and give his own guild the advantage.

To what server are you referring?

[Voland]

Someone could write a better eqw.exe as one option. Or play on a mac.


When I played the original EQMAC, there was no way to "tab out", we had to use a command like /mci a - this would generate a non-critical error and return control to the desktop until error popup is closed. Does this trick work in PC version?

[budorf]

When I played the original EQMAC, there was no way to "tab out", we had to use a command like /mci a - this would generate a non-critical error and return control to the desktop until error popup is closed. Does this trick work in PC version?

I've played p2002 on both Mac and PC.

On the PC side, you can use dexpot (or some other virtual desktop software) and you don't really need to "tab out". If you're using eqw you can set up a keybinding to switch between windows or release the mouse.

On the Mac side, you can use mission control and just create 2 or 3 desktops and switch between them. Really pretty seamless once you get it set up, and you can customize the shortcut keys to whatever is convenient.

[Wharhog]

You can tab just fine on a PC ...... Or use dxdepot. On a Mac just setup spaces and I space be the desktop

[Furniture]

I know about dexpot and have used it.

Having to switch to another screen and manually hitting every single keystroke or mouse stroke between three characters is what I find tedious no matter if it is with dexpot or alt-tabbing. And I am talking about both servers, takproject and p2002. Id love if one of these servers either prohibited boxing or allowed MQ2 boxing between 3 characters. Allowing MQ2 boxing would bring a whole slew of other issues though and would not be a good idea overall.

To each his own though. I am fine on my own server boxing my raid with MQ2.

[Champion_Standing]

I know about dexpot and have used it.

Having to switch to another screen and manually hitting every single keystroke or mouse stroke between three characters is what I find tedious no matter if it is with dexpot or alt-tabbing. And I am talking about both servers, takproject and p2002.

To each his own though. I am fine on my own server boxing my raid with MQ2.

I tend to agree, the most boxing I can do is having a buff bot sit there while i just basically solo with another character. Actively playing two or more characters is just a pain to me and I feel like I'm focusing more on the mechanics of playing rather than just enjoying the game.

[budorf]

I know about dexpot and have used it.

Having to switch to another screen and manually hitting every single keystroke or mouse stroke between three characters is what I find tedious no matter if it is with dexpot or alt-tabbing. And I am talking about both servers, takproject and p2002. Id love if one of these servers either prohibited boxing or allowed MQ2 boxing between 3 characters. Allowing MQ2 boxing would bring a whole slew of other issues though and would not be a good idea overall.

To each his own though. I am fine on my own server boxing my raid with MQ2.

Pretty much agree with all of this.. It is kind of tedious with the tabbing back and forth, and you obviously can't get the best efficiency out of all of your chars. I played ezserver for a while, that is a whole new crazy set of boxing (6 and 12 man groups) so I've done the other end of the spectrum on boxing as well. Guess it really just depends on your play style and how much tedium you can put up with.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

And what solves every single problem listed above?

Titanium.

[surron]

2 dudes on eqmac (same client ) who lead my old guild boxed 24 characters each, without mq2 (doesn't exist for mac). now imagine doing rallos zek with that client.

you guys just sound like a bunch of sweet 16 year olds who got a honda cake instead of a mercedes


edit btw this program i wrote eliminates the need for alt-tab http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/pc-boxing-hotkey-program.1647/

[Furniture]

To what server are you referring?

It was p99. The devs name was Xzerion who I believe also led IB at the time but wasnt the original leader. I believe the backlash caused him to get removed from the staff but i'm not entirely sure because i stopped playing very shortly after this ordeal (but I think maybe he returned later? I dont know) This was back sometime in like may or june 2010.

It was a long time ago and I'm sure other people here know more about it then me, but from what I remember our guild (dark ascension) usually buffed up/afked at a certain spot (the raid rules at the time were first 15 in the zone, so guilds would get their numbers there first and then could afk for a while before the spawn). IB and DA were at war with each other and xzerion overnight changed the pathing of 1 or 2 icy terrors to path to that location to wipe the guild. The change wasnt listed on p99s patch notes until several days later (credited to Xzerion). With the immense hatred between the two guilds at the time there was no mistaking the act as offensive and certainly caused some controversy.

[BossThunderace]

my my, this thread has gone 'Off Topic' ..

p2002 like a baby right now, p99 like an old elderly person?

Check out the server y'all!!

[Omnifiend]

I tried p2002 for about 10 minutes, as Vanilla-PoP was hands down my favorite era. However, the lack of mouse scrolling to zoom out, and not being able to control the camera with my mouse was a deal breaker. Really kills the immersion, and I don't like playing this in first person.

[Haynar]

EQ first person FTW!!!!

Mouse scroll wheel is for wimps.

[BossThunderace]

EQ first person FTW!!!!

Mouse scroll wheel is for wimps.

I play in first person and use the mouse wheel as PTT button, works great

[Lorian]

I tend to agree, the most boxing I can do is having a buff bot sit there while i just basically solo with another character. Actively playing two or more characters is just a pain to me and I feel like I'm focusing more on the mechanics of playing rather than just enjoying the game.

Yes, its is a bit repetitive doing solo boxing for longer periods, but as soon as you join another real player with their boxes its tons of fun! Especially since less competition for the good stuff! For instance, I could never get a group in Mistmoore on p99, but here I've been doing some really nice levelling in a 3+2 box group from 22 to 26.

[Orruar]

I tried p2002 for about 10 minutes, as Vanilla-PoP was hands down my favorite era. However, the lack of mouse scrolling to zoom out, and not being able to control the camera with my mouse was a deal breaker. Really kills the immersion, and I don't like playing this in first person.

Wait, isn't first person view more immersive? Unless you're one of those people who follow yourself around with a selfie stick everywhere, 3rd person view is quite the immersion-breaker.

[Tiewon Shu]

Wait, isn't first person view more immersive? Unless you're one of those people who follow yourself around with a selfie stick everywhere, 3rd person view is quite the immersion-breaker.

I disagree. Immersion for me means relating to my character. I can't relate to my character in the world without seeing her.

[Akillez]

I assume immersion is different for all of us, I just like killing shit. I don't relate to or pretend I am my character. First person took me a bit to get use to. I am loving p2002 but its not for everyone. P99 is great as well have a few 50+, I just like POP too much so had to flip servers :). Have fun where you play, how you play :).

[vermeee]

3rd person view sux..... its useful for battles and some other specific things but if u wanna get immersed first person s the way to go

egocentrism vs enviromental view...

obviously enviromental view will be much more imersive while egocentric view all u get s to wish to rush to ur final destination...not enjoyin the ride

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Third person
Immersion
Pick one

[Swish]

Pick one

http://i.imgur.com/noLR9xC.gif

[Tollen]

I"m confused. do people thing we cant play in 3rd person cause there is no zooming out with scroll wheel? or are they too lazy to look at options and see what the key command is to change camera view(F9 by default), were you can play in 3rd and even swing the camera with your mouse.

[Namfoodle]

I"m confused. do people thing we cant play in 3rd person cause there is no zooming out with scroll wheel? or are they too lazy to look at options and see what the key command is to change camera view(F9 by default), were you can play in 3rd and even swing the camera with your mouse.

yeah some guy popped in my stream the other night and thought we couldn't play in 3rd person, so there's some misinfo out there.

[BossThunderace]

yeah some guy popped in my stream the other night and thought we couldn't play in 3rd person, so there's some misinfo out there.

pics!

[Champion_Standing]

As far as functionality goes there's really no way for me to "play" in 3rd person from what I can tell at least. I can look at my character and maybe run across a zone in 3rd person I guess. But in any situation where I need to move quickly or attack the F9 views have proven to be deadly.

If there is a way to set it up to function a little better I'm all ears.

Also where can I get a functioning standard UI? The client I have only has what looks like a version of the vert UI and I can't change it to anything else.

[Namfoodle]

As far as functionality goes there's really no way for me to "play" in 3rd person from what I can tell at least. I can look at my character and maybe run across a zone in 3rd person I guess. But in any situation where I need to move quickly or attack the F9 views have proven to be deadly.

If there is a way to set it up to function a little better I'm all ears.

Also where can I get a functioning standard UI? The client I have only has what looks like a version of the vert UI and I can't change it to anything else.

from first person, press f9 twice. use ins/del or numpad7/numpad1 to zoom in and out. its like the mousewheel zome you're use to, without the mousewheel.

Maybe it's just not a big deal to me, I started playing EQ before mousewheel zoom was a thing, so I'm used to the F9 views, it's much more comfortable to me. F9 x4 ftw.

[Tollen]

As far as functionality goes there's really no way for me to "play" in 3rd person from what I can tell at least. I can look at my character and maybe run across a zone in 3rd person I guess. But in any situation where I need to move quickly or attack the F9 views have proven to be deadly.

If there is a way to set it up to function a little better I'm all ears.

Also where can I get a functioning standard UI? The client I have only has what looks like a version of the vert UI and I can't change it to anything else.

PC or mac?

Ill assume mac, check your UI folder see if the default is backed up there.

To get most 3rd party? UI's to work some people had to name it as default to trick the client into using it.

if this is not the case and it shows you loading the other UI folder, either delete or use the /loadskin default 1 command.

[Tollen]

^^

I meant I'll assume PC, not mac

[BossThunderace]

http://s10.postimg.org/udkrdalpl/eqdektop.png

Kunark was released :)

..some R&R in TD

[Akillez]

one kill from ranger epic !

[BossThunderace]

boom, first ranger w swiftwind, grats!

[stavio]

Best of luck to the server, but I will never be able to get used to the mac client restriction (control scheme mainly), I tried it before eqmac live shutdown many times, I guess the titanium and live version clients has spoiled me.

[Smedy]

project 2002? sounds NOT CLASSIC to me

[rideponies]

Yeah its not for everyone, but having a lot of fun personally. My biggest complaint is the lack of utilization of the bazaar, but is growing a few people have traders set up now.

[BossThunderace]

project 2002? sounds NOT CLASSIC to me

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f0/e6/9e/f0e69e802ec40bfe3b935249c63a55c6.jpg

[Wharhog]

It's not classic, it's an Alkabor Server replica of PoP era EQ

[budorf]

Still having a great time on this server. Got to be there for the first take down of Trakanon. We had a "kill all the kunark dragons" night a few days ago that was tons of fun. Getting to re-live old content like plane of sky, hate, fear, etc. is just awesome. The server is quite stable, the dev team has been doing a good job responding to issues and rolling out updates. Population is slowly increasing, definitely seeing some new faces in PoK and ooc. I do wish the bazaar was a little more active, but I think it is slowly starting to see a little more action.

[BossThunderace]

few more weeks of trak and VP will be ready to get cracked open. lots of newer people over past few days.

[Wharhog]

The Staff would like to thank all the people who play here, your behavior is expemplary. Our CSR staff never has to deal with player disputes and we thank you for that. Keep the positive attitudes and enjoy our server! We enjoy the great bunch of people we have playing here!

[add2add]

After the most recent 'Nazi' update on P99 that makes it impossible to use Luclin models, I think a fair few more people might try this server.

I definately will.

[mystang89]

After the most recent 'Nazi' update on P99 that makes it impossible to use Luclin models, I think a fair few more people might try this server.

I definately will.

I'm thinking about it more and more. Only thing that makes me not want to is the boxing but if this keeps up I might be able to get past that.

[felixecho]

Where is this place? I want to go to it!

I miss luclin models.

I don't see any P2002 or 2002 or anything in my server list....

I'll start going back in this thread to see if I can find out the mystery of what / where this is...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Where is this place? I want to go to it!

I miss luclin models.

I don't see any P2002 or 2002 or anything in my server list....

I'll start going back in this thread to see if I can find out the mystery of what / where this is...
http://www.takproject.net

[Wharhog]

Lol <3 the troll above


You can find us at www.p2002.com

[BossThunderace]

http://www.p2002.com (http://www.takproject.net)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.takproject.net

Don't misquote me.

[BossThunderace]

http://www.p2002.com

[Neno]

guises still droppin?

[Swish]

Players Online: 12

What happened?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What happened?

Lol. That's what TAKP looks like... at 4 am Monday morning.

[Pokesan]

What happened?

when you make things too easy people get bored quickly. choosing rapid content release over rigorous development accuracy has a lot to do with it.

[Wharhog]

You mean, if there are 3000 people attempting to kill 6 raid targets for 5 years....it takes that long to equip them? Because I'll put our accuracy against any other server.

[Pokesan]

You mean, if there are 3000 people attempting to kill 6 raid targets for 5 years....it takes that long to equip them? Because I'll put our accuracy against any other server.

this is a laughable assertion

[Atno]

when you make things too easy people get bored quickly

Like disabling an out of era mob to gain easier access to more out of era mobs?

[BossThunderace]

guises still droppin?

As of right now, they are not dropping. Hopefully Wood elf crowns will be in with Velious sometime the end of this year.

[BossThunderace]

any chance you could merge all the p2002 threads into the garbage where they belong?

this is a laughable assertion

Pokesan, p2002 is not for you, go home my friend.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNeMho8TaEM/maxresdefault.jpg

[darchangel89]

Ignore the instructions on the forum where it says to install titanium, then move the resources folder from eqmac ect.


unzip that shit to your C drive and run eqw.exe. bam. youre in.

Hi, can you give more blonde specific instructions please? When I double click eqw.exe it opens a folder that I dont know what to do with, and another little window that I dont know what to do with.

[darchangel89]

Ignore the instructions on the forum where it says to install titanium, then move the resources folder from eqmac ect.


unzip that shit to your C drive and run eqw.exe. bam. youre in.

Ok, I got it working. Thanks so much for giving us this option! Not all of us want to be EQ Amish ;)

[darchangel89]

Logged into p2002 for the first time today, and I gotta say, so far its awesome. People are so friendly, and the server runs really smooth. Zoning is way faster than any version of EQ Ive played. I highly recommend that the non Amish crowd check it out

[BossThunderace]

more new players on the server, and more single boxers. /cheers

[Lorian]

The most striking difference of the P2002 pop compared to P99 pop is the maturity and friendliness. Casual rather than competitive min-maxers you will find here. I imagine P99 was like this when it first started.

[Orruar]

The most striking difference of the P2002 pop compared to P99 pop is the maturity and friendliness. Casual rather than competitive min-maxers you will find here. I imagine P99 was like this when it first started.

Min-maxing is orthogonal to maturity. It's possible to be adult about sharing in a video game while still being all about maximizing your toon(s). And it's a different environment when you don't have 2000 people competing for the same targets. One thing I'm sure of is that come Velious, there won't be a 90 person line for the holgresh camp or 40 people all poopsocking Scout Charisa, Lodizal, and Stormfeather. P99 is a great case study of widespread mental illness.

[snoopdog]

Almost like Cabin Fever.

[Lorian]

Min-maxing is orthogonal to maturity. It's possible to be adult about sharing in a video game while still being all about maximizing your toon(s). And it's a different environment when you don't have 2000 people competing for the same targets. One thing I'm sure of is that come Velious, there won't be a 90 person line for the holgresh camp or 40 people all poopsocking Scout Charisa, Lodizal, and Stormfeather. P99 is a great case study of widespread mental illness.

Yes, P99 is a victim of its own success. With 7-800 prime time players and Luclin models I might still have played here, but I will never be able to invest enough time to be able to enjoy some of the best content because of the overwhelming competition. And because of this there is a steady stream of people migrating from P99 to P2002.

[rideponies]

Honestly I agree, too many folks not enough to do if they made a second server and you had to pick one or the other I would be in, but as of right now the raid scene is horrible and the high level camps are permanent camped :(. Great server, great job by the devs, just too many people trying to do the same thing.

[rideponies]

As far as the luclin models if you are really playing a game to be pretty, eq in general may not be for you :), but we all play different I guess.

[Nads]

Would definitely play here more if the client was updated to allow native third-person.

[Lady Julae]

As far as the luclin models if you are really playing a game to be pretty, eq in general may not be for you :), but we all play different I guess.

What's wrong with wanting the better Luclin models as opposed to dated 1999 graphics? Many of us love eq's game play but despise the sucky lego graphics.

[rideponies]

I wasn't saying that you can't like or not like the graphics (you can do what ya want :p) I was just saying I find the uproar over the luclin models silly. Seems there other games out there for dress up.

[darchangel89]

my problem with the old models is that my bare blue dark elf ass was always displayed through my britches. Luclin models cover it up and I prefer not to have my bare ass showing all the time ;)

[Bheart]

I definitely am interested in a server that stops at PoP. Only problem is I don't want to spend a bunch of time leveling back up.

[Lorian]

I definitely am interested in a server that stops at PoP. Only problem is I don't want to spend a bunch of time leveling back up.

Just like EQMac there is a 20% xp bonus. In fact you level so fast that its impossible to keep your melee skills up until level 45 somewhere. Because of this I actually avoid the hot zones.

[budorf]

I believe there are also grouping bonuses, similar to Red99. If you have a full group of 6, the experience gained is only split 5 ways, so it really is significant, and in your best interest to group up.