Leaving Empire - For The Record

[Buhbuh]

This is a HARD TL;DR – so for those of you who are dyslexic (Burt, Slathar), just throw a random meme about how you didn’t read anything in the thread that you just clicked on with the intention of reading and actually did read but will pretend not to have read. I don’t really know where else to put this (since Empire doesn’t have forums), and it’s mostly for the pals I have in Empire.

For everyone else, maybe you’ll get some rich forum drama out of it.

I should say first that since my leaving Empire, I have had no interest in publicly announcing why it happened. I had resolved to stop playing the game shortly after leaving, so it was a nothing issue at first. I also figured that someone would’ve mentioned what went down and why it happened by now. Like, the actual truth - and not a bullshit fib. Unfortunately, when I’m online I get asked why I won’t come back and what happened over and over again.

After asking several Empire members what they’d heard, I’ve come to find that the majority of people were either wholly misinformed or just plain lied to about the situation, which is actually ironic in a weird way. And I’ll explain why.

Let me just preface this story by saying the general guild members involved in this situation weren’t the real issue. The officers’ reaction to the simple, practically already solved problem was, almost completely, the entire issue.

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So it goes.

Empire was raiding ToV – normal day, same bullshit. The only real difference before pulling started: there was a concerted effort by many people at the raid to try and sacrifice Gyno The Lizard to the pixel gods just before pulling Dozekar. People were hoping for lots of ruby tears. Whatever, who cares. I wasn’t involved.

I’m buffing people the second I enter the zone. I have literally no offensive spells up (aside from Theft of Thought). Incognito (Mornin) starts attacking me (this is probably where his account of the events go in a different direction). He says something in Teamspeak, I’m not paying attention – usual day. It’s playful, whatever. He keeps attacking, so I just chain rune myself. At some point in this horseplay he gets Draga (Retti) to join in.

I’ll stop here.

Draga fuckin’ hated me, and judging by the daily anonymous characters he tries to harass me on currently, I’m guessing he still does. Everybody knew this then, everybody knows this now. I don’t enjoy Draga, either. These two facts were well known at the time, most of all by the officers. I don’t hate him with a passion – I recognize petulant children with anger issues when I see them. I was an officer in Empire for a reason, and it certainly wasn’t for my penchant for the irrational. Draga asking me for buffs would have been mind-boggling, let alone a situation where he’s attacking me.

At this point, I’m sure the majority of non-Empire reading this are really surprised to find out that a person kicked from literally every guild he’s been in (for being disrespectful and a general asshole) is making an appearance in a similar situation. Who would have thought?

So while two NToV geared warriors are attacking me, it’s only natural that I’m getting low in spite of the runes. At about 20% health, Incognito stops attacking. Draga does not. At about 7% health I stop moving, expecting Draga, who I’m surprised even had the balls to attack me given our history, to stop attacking. He kills me. This, to me, was nothing more than a player using the guise of horseplay to get away with disrespecting me (an officer) publicly.

I zone to my bind, immediately kick Retti from the guild, ban him from Teamspeak and have him killed by players at the raid.

“He can raid tomorrow. He’s not getting his corpse tonight.”

I get a rez. Incognito freaks out and starts yelling in Teamspeak that I’m abusing my powers. We’re in the middle of raiding, so Incognito eats a Teamspeak ban from me, and rightfully so.

The main idea being - unban them after raids. Problem solved. Time to pull Dozekar.

Apparently not. This is where the officers (Colgate, Gongshow) pull my legs out. They unban both Incognito and Draga from Teamspeak, rez Draga back in, and ultimately try to be diplomatic in a situation where it’s not only completely uncalled for, but where it does more harm than good. Keep in mind that this part of the situation is just angering to me, because it’s a spineless response to a problem that requires actual gumption. While this is happening, I’m repeatedly saying in Teamspeak, “Do not rez Draga. He’s not raiding today.”

Needless to say, I was superseded. This happened in front of everyone at the raid.

My problem with this is:

As an officer of a guild you’re charged with commanding a certain amount of respect from your members and peers while maintaining halfway decent decision making skills, and generally speaking, you have the autonomy to use said skills in what way you see fit (especially to benefit the guild as a whole). You’re also typically, as a rule of thumb, not undermined in public.

Interesting sidenote: Draga was kicked from Empire just days ago for disrespecting another officer in a completely separate situation (apparently with no questions asked and no qualms had with his removal). Funny how things work out.

Moving on. Draga loots his corpse after my order to slay him. He immediately attacks me in retaliation for what happened, killing me in one round. I sit at my bind and await the justice that surely awaits this idiot.

“Guys, stop. Rez Cyren.” Nothing more.

Spineless response – I am not happy.

Something I still haven’t told anyone about that moment and the series of events that followed – it was legitimately, utterly humiliating to have the officers, who were probably my closest pals in the guild, and people I invested a good deal of my time with on a daily basis, blackball me like that. The worst moment in Empire. I was an officer, and they let a nothing trashcan walk all over me after taking my power away. Feeling that way is saying a lot, because I’m not high strung, I don’t take things personally, I care very little about the micro-aggressions taken against me. But these quickly became major aggressions via neglect from particularly Colgate and Gongshow, and it was done in ironically the most passive of ways.

It was unacceptable, and probably still to this day lost on the both of them.

Anyway – after the situation is deemed “over with,” Draga begins sending me tells, taunting me. He taunts me because he thinks he’s untouchable (and in this case he was, lol). He’s horrible at trolling, has Down’s, irrationally angry - just a complete mess of a human being. What angered me was his thinking that he’s allowed to do it without punishment. What was far more angering, though, was the fact that the officer’s knew very well he would do it and thought nothing of thwarting it. They both know Retti very well, and they knew he was going to be Retti after all was said and done. They did absolutely nothing to curb this retard’s behavior. They acted as mediators rather than leaders. I think their reasoning is that they expected me to roll with it, thought Retti’s advances would roll off my shoulders, rather than choosing to, say, just man up and handle the situation like a real person.

So, whatever, the night ends. I was pissed off at Gongshow and Colgate – and I decide, yeah, I’m probably going to go over it with them the next day. Raids end for the night. I talk to Colgate briefly late at night about how retarded the series of events were. He tries to diffuse it, make it a non-issue, which was just pussyfooting around it. I’m not convinced.

Next day comes. We start with Dain, normal shit. Draga arrives. He’s openly criticizing and disrespecting me in guild chat over the previous night’s situation. 60 people are standing there watching it happen.

I wait on Colgate or Gongshow to step in. They apparently don’t see it or do see it and don’t care (maybe they expect me to be okay with it?). I’m not okay with it. Their passivity is getting to me.

Anger builds. Their nonchalance is getting more and more irritating. I now have no intention of bringing it up to them. I’m just going to shout at them if I do, which is not really productive.

Dain drops a Tri-Plated Hammer (best loot for PvP). I move up a channel. The names of people that sent tells on it are listed out.

First thing said -

Gongshow: “Uhhh… Draga?”

I leave channel – because if I don’t I’m going to rip Gongshow and Colgate a new one. Draga is sending me tells, still taunting me. They amount to: “I’m untouchable, faggot.”

I move back into the channel to catch the tail end of their discussion.

Gongshow: “…I mean he’s partly to blame for what happened with Retti.”

Keep in mind “what happened” is still ongoing with Retti, because it was never dealt with in the first place. “Happened” implies past tense.

Cyren: “Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?”

I explain to them the actual events clearly, but probably not all that calmly. They explain that a loot diet is sufficient. I’m still very displeased with that off-handed comment from Gongshow. I explain that a loot diet isn’t sufficient – trying to focus more on the greater issue, which was still, Retti not feeling the weight of a real punishment, and that I’d been publicly undermined by my own officers without a second thought.

The hammer is ultimately awarded to Gyno. At this point, my thought is: who really gives a shit – it’s clear nothing will be done about Retti beyond a meaningless loot diet, meaning I’ve been rendered meaningless as an officer, meaning there was no longer a point in being there. So I stood by my principles and left.

I log out, leave Teamspeak permanently, text Terp the situation and that I’m leaving the guild.

Terp: “They spaghetti spined you?”

I removed my characters from the guild two days later.

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The somewhat smaller (but still TL;DR) version:

Basically what you need to know is, I didn’t “step down,” I didn’t leave with the intention of “taking a break,” and I didn’t “berg out.” I was all but forced out and left because Gongshow has an enormous problem with his own vanity, which manifests itself in the perpetual state of needing to be seen as a good guy, the pal, and to never dirty his hands in a way that might make him enemies. Trust me, leaving Empire wasn’t a decision taken lightly. Being an officer of Empire is very good. It’s pixel heaven. I could take anything I wanted at any time. I had many pals, many of who I still miss playing with, and most of whom I doubt I’ll play with again given the circumstances.

My way of doing things (which is the art of being a man) got in the way of vanity. Retti and Mornin cried in AIMchat, Gongshow and Colgate didn’t investigate the problem, they hamstringed their own officer, didn’t attempt to fix the problem, suggested it was my problem, haphazardly dealt with the real issue at ahnd and left me feeling desolated.

They figured a loot diet was enough for Draga, as though a warrior at 40% RA would even notice or give a shit about something like that. Draga also stopped raiding entirely after this happened – so it actually was a meaningless punishment. My punishment was immediately felt, real, necessary, and a nice, old fashioned punch in the gut. In a lot of ways, I felt like I was being too soft.

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This is probably the most comprehensive list of events and my feelings toward those events that I can give you, and it’s certainly the last time I’ll give them.

For those of you asking me to come back,

I don’t really care for the guild anymore. I have no interest in it. From what I understand most of you have no interest in the guild anymore, either. It’s loot. Nothing more. Even the officers don’t care.

This is evidenced by:

Multiple people telling me that everything in the off-time took a huge shit after I left. I’ve even been told that Retti admitted he fucked up. I’ve been told lots of things are different now. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess… though I don’t expect anyone to admit fault.

I don’t expect remorse. I’d just like you to know what actually happened, so you don’t have to hear your officers continue to obfuscate the actual story in an effort to conceal a black mark. What happened was not cool, and that’s okay. I imagine if I’d stifled how I actually felt, I probably could’ve salvaged it – y’know, at least enough to get fully geared.

But no one is going to leave Empire over this, and I don’t expect people to. It was over two months ago. Most of you don’t even care. Most of you won’t even give this a real response beyond what trite, unoriginal phrases you parrot on a day to day basis.

I will say that with some perspective, rehashing the situation over again with the officers may have done some good in the long run, but I think the sort of blind acceptance of some random dipshit’s story over my own and the general unwillingness to hear me out (when I was completely in the right) is what struck a chord so deeply and unnerved the bonds we had as pals in the first place. It felt like one of those situations where you’re just not on the same page with someone anymore, and you realize you’re not really talking to a pal any longer. Just humiliation after humiliation, which is a horrible feeling – and which is saying a lot of the bond shared with the officer core, that it could even produce those feelings in the first place.

It’s probably indicative of investing too much into an internet pal (and the game in general). Call it lesson learned, I guess. But it’s also sad to see a guild I helped build from the ground up, and for a long time after, seemingly no longer about sharing the bonds with pals first and foremost, and more about maintaining the status quo of a raid-ready guild. It shifted somewhere… maybe I just missed it happening. Maybe that’s the point – everyone else saw it, and somehow I didn’t.

Retti recently told me from one of his various alts, “Gongshow said your leaving was like an addition by subtraction.” It’s not a great sentiment if truly said and felt (strangely, I don’t doubt that it was), but it’s certainly a poetic way to think about the whole thing. There’s that, at least.

On a final note:

To be clear - I don’t mind Gongshow and Colgate as people, and I did enjoy their company as officers at one time. It’s just that after everything, they register to me as acquaintances now rather than the good pals they used to be.

And that’s a little sad. But… shit happens.

See ya, queers

[AzzarTheGod]

1st

[dontbanpls]

i read every single word

[Ragnaros]

Just seems odd they would favor somebody with 40% RA over an officer

[dontbanpls]

Maybe if you don't know Rettiwalk. He is connected to some people on the server in such a way that when a guild considers taking action against him they have to understand that they are going to be outraging several people. He was basically pulling the same shit years ago when dentists/azrael tried to merge and was a big part of why a lot of people in azrael had reservations about the merge despite the success we enjoyed at the time.

[Gzaz]

I remember that night to we'll cyren I also had a issue with retti ..... I took the issue to gongshow and his reply was. .. that's just draga he has always been like that I have known him along time <aimchat> and nothing was done I was just told to put him on ignore. Cyren was the nicest guy and was the only reason things happened in the day time. When cyren left the only time empire did anything was at 7pm est ... so I say this fuck empire and the bellend Colgate ...........

[Masaka]

It seems that we are all in agreement that Rettiwalk is a worthless piece of shit and should be blacklisted from ever joining another guild on this box.

[AzzarTheGod]

Apparently not. This is where the officers (Colgate, Gongshow) pull my legs out. They unban both Incognito and Draga from Teamspeak, rez Draga back in, and ultimately try to be diplomatic in a situation where it’s not only completely uncalled for, but where it does more harm than good. Keep in mind that this part of the situation is just angering to me, because it’s a spineless response to a problem that requires actual gumption. While this is happening, I’m repeatedly saying in Teamspeak, “Do not rez Draga. He’s not raiding today.”


Every story has a few sides. However, the arbitrary anecdotes here aren't as important as the cast of characters that were involved.

[REDACTED] has insinuated, and all but called Mornin toxic on a few occasions pre-Velious.

So of course many people in the know are very surprised at how this played out, given the two individuals involved, and who Cyren is, and was to <Empire>.

Being bulldozed like that would equate to a giant slap in the face, given all Cyren has done for the guild.



Basically what you need to know is, I didn’t “step down,” I didn’t leave with the intention of “taking a break,” and I didn’t “berg out.” I was all but forced out and left because Gongshow has an enormous problem with his own vanity, which manifests itself in the perpetual state of needing to be seen as a good guy, the pal, and to never dirty his hands in a way that might make him enemies. Trust me, leaving Empire wasn’t a decision taken lightly. Being an officer of Empire is very good. It’s pixel heaven. I could take anything I wanted at any time. I had many pals, many of who I still miss playing with, and most of whom I doubt I’ll play with again given the circumstances.

My way of doing things (which is the art of being a man) got in the way of vanity. Retti and Mornin cried in AIMchat, Gongshow and Colgate didn’t investigate the problem, they hamstringed their own officer, didn’t attempt to fix the problem, suggested it was my problem, haphazardly dealt with the real issue at ahnd and left me feeling desolated.

I don’t mind Gongshow and Colgate as people, and I did enjoy their company as officers at one time. It’s just that after everything, they register to me as acquaintances now rather than the good pals they used to be.



Every leadership style has its positives and negatives. That aside, with the additional anecdotes it looks like the legs were definitely cut out, and then-some, way too fast.

That type of knee jerk response and undercutting of an officers decision is going to escalate things quickly.

If you didn't quit I don't know what kind of person that would make you. I'd have probably quit. Although there were probably opportunities for further negotiation, and I'd say this end result has more to do with <Empire> never having had to deal with a highly charged situation like this before.

TLDR; Cyren probably deserved better here.

[Gzaz]

Feel sorry for ya cyren ..you are good guy.unfortunately gongshow can't control his colgates and dragas and just let's them do what they want. Give it a few months when the officers get all the loot they want . They won't play again and the guild will fall

[AzzarTheGod]

It seems that we are all in agreement that Rettiwalk is a worthless piece of shit and should be blacklisted from ever joining another guild on this box.


Fact is, these guys involved are known toxic and need to be managed, not encouraged.

Cutting the legs out of Cyren over something like this strikes a lot of people as unnecessary at the least.

Its 1/12/2016, and to this day, Cyren has never made a bad call.

[Drakaris]

Read every single word.

This is just a small taste of the bullshit that happens with aimchat. I told Colgate I was done with Empire when they failed to honor their word the weekend I found out that Gyno was in possession of Vapos accounts and was the one selling the gear at almost half the price via Pixelpalace in ooc.

Criticise me all you want, I genuinely loved this project and enjoyed building the community, donating monthly an average of $50 over 2 years and spending much time helping new players trying to keep them playing here. Cyren was a fun guy to play with and against up until he became heavily invested with the aimchat circle jerk.

Thanks for your honesty Cyren.

[Uuruk]

It seems that we are all in agreement that Rettiwalk is a worthless piece of shit and should be blacklisted from ever joining another guild on this box.

Pretty much this.

[TheBiznessTZ]

It seems that we are all in agreement that Rettiwalk is a worthless piece of shit and should be blacklisted from ever joining another guild on this box.

i can pras that.

[AenorVZ]

Just seems odd they would favor somebody with 40% RA over an officer

After all that, Gongshow recommends the 40% RA for the Hammer. Three words. Are em tee.

[Colgate]

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

since you never actually spoke to us about it, you weren't aware that in reality in aimchat, mornin and retti's bitching was responded to by telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being retards. leaving the hackle hammer loot discussion also prevented you from hearing the in-depth conversation about how rettiwalk is/was shitlisted and his actions the previous day were the primary reason he wouldn't seriously be considered on it or anything he wanted for the foreseeable future. you rejoined the channel, after omai asked why you were seemingly still upset, in the middle of gongshow's opinion that your behavior was an overreaction.

i suppose it will boil down to an agree-to-disagree situation; you will never see it in any way other than the way you saw it in the heat of the moment, and i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells. i would hope that if i acted that way publicly, i would also be brought back down to earth. i also do not agree with an officer believing that his actions are untouchable when every other officer disagrees with them. the guild has just never operated that way.

it's rather disappointing that someone like yourself, who usually gives off an attitude of calm levelheadedness, is taking it beyond the game and playing the "we can't be friends anymore" card over a situation where we just wanted you to take a step back, calm down, and reasonably approach the issue. i still consider you a good pal at the end of it all.

best of luck in your future norrathian endeavors. it's just red99.

[Ragnaros]

so colgates response to someone constantly shitting up a storm and disrespecting officers is to let it keep happening because its common?
lol pathetic, a guild where nobody is accountable for their own actions

[Drakaris]

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

since you never actually spoke to us about it, you weren't aware that in reality in aimchat, mornin and retti's bitching was responded to by telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being retards. leaving the hackle hammer loot discussion also prevented you from hearing the in-depth conversation about how rettiwalk is/was shitlisted and his actions the previous day were the primary reason he wouldn't seriously be considered on it or anything he wanted for the foreseeable future. you rejoined the channel, after omai asked why you were seemingly still upset, in the middle of gongshow's opinion that your behavior was an overreaction.

i suppose it will boil down to an agree-to-disagree situation; you will never see it in any way other than the way you saw it in the heat of the moment, and i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells. i would hope that if i acted that way publicly, i would also be brought back down to earth. i also do not agree with an officer believing that his actions are untouchable when every other officer disagrees with them. the guild has just never operated that way.

it's rather disappointing that someone like yourself, who usually gives off an attitude of calm levelheadedness, is taking it beyond the game and playing the "we can't be friends anymore" card over a situation where we just wanted you to take a step back, calm down, and reasonably approach the issue. i still consider you a good pal at the end of it all.

best of luck in your future norrathian endeavors. it's just red99.

Cuckgate the failing College student speaks.

I would say Cyren has had plenty of time to think this through and provide a level-headed response, I mean this did happen a significant number of months ago...

[Uuruk]

so colgates response to someone constantly shitting up a storm and disrespecting officers is to let it keep happening because its common?
lol pathetic, a guild where nobody is accountable for their own actions

Not necessarily true. I got kicked for posting a picture someone sent me in a PM.

[Drakaris]

Not necessarily true. I got kicked for posting a picture someone sent me in a PM.

You aren't a core aimchat member like Rhettiwalk...

[AzzarTheGod]

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

These are the other sides. It sounds like Colgate was tha dawg here and your best pal in this.

Loot diet and sanctioned grief sound like sufficient action was in the works, despite a few missed opportunities to discuss what happened as Colgate said.

Cyren wanted a raid suspension and TS ban for the duration.

Pals must agree to disagree here. Pls hug n rejoin now.

Oh and I hereby dub Colgate's guild PvP policy the Hona Doctrine

[iiNGloriouS]

I found it funny whenever I was in <Empire> and brought up the fact that Hona/Fatality was literally the cause for many people quitting and why would we keep this piece of shit around for so long.

A week after I asked, he was awarded a sow sword. Stopped going to VP and raids entirely. I don't know if he still plays in velly but I assume he doesn't. Hopefully the guy got what he deserved because the shit he would say to his own guildies was foul.

[Smedy]

Good read, not surprised at all, Retti is by far the worst community member we have. He spreads negativity around him and is angry all the time, I think it's safe to say he lives a miserable life and gets off on trying to drag people around him down in his self-made hole of darkness

Sad to see you get treated like a scrub by spineless pals though, i don't know gongshow, he seems like the guy who wants to be everyones friend... that's cool and all but really doesn't work if you're a leader and have to make decisions like this now does it? Surprised however how Retti can be someone they would stand behind, to me he is so fucking toxic and i'm sure anyone who plays with him can say the same if they just gave their unbiased opinion.

I don't expect Colgate to mouth up against aimchat at any capacity at this point, he is just happy to be a part of the nerd fraternity. He's after all 2 generations younger then these people so it's natural for him to look up and admire them

[TheDuck]

your first mistake was thinking you were an officer in the truest sense, aimchat trumps all. they are the ones that supersede you. Not the other way around. How you did not realize this after all this time specially being part of the outer circle of the inner circle amazes me.

second, retti is a huge piece of shit but retti gives good dick so?(if you dont know what i mean by this PM me elsewhere ill explain further just not here, so do other people heartbrand for instance. why do you think they keep assholes around? food on the table bro.)

third, start a PVP guild, some of friends would join you.

[dontbanpls]

Didn't rettiwalk get kicked out of nihilum for pulling this kind of shit with someone too? Was it Northwest? he was like telling him he hoped his kids died or something? or was it northwest got kicked instead of rettiwalk?

[TheDuck]

also forgot to add, had to leave friends basicaly over the same shit, people who you thought were your friends taking the others side.

people kept disrespecting me and my brother and my pals id been gaming with for years 12-16 hours a day said to just take it like a bitch for the good of the guild. lol.

so i know how you feel.

[AenorVZ]

Nothing ever changes at P99.

[AzzarTheGod]

your first mistake was thinking you were an officer in the truest sense, aimchat trumps all. they are the ones that supersede you. Not the other way around. How you did not realize this after all this time specially being part of the outer circle of the inner circle amazes me.

second, retti is a huge piece of shit but retti gives good dick so?(if you dont know what i mean by this PM me elsewhere ill explain further just not here, so do other people heartbrand for instance. why do you think they keep assholes around? food on the table bro.)

third, start a PVP guild, some of friends would join you.

Hes got dirt on a lot of people I hear. I was a victim of one of his extortion attempts so I can kinda see how hes pseudo-untouchable. No I will not post prof.

Didn't rettiwalk get kicked out of nihilum for pulling this kind of shit with someone too? Was it Northwest? he was like telling him he hoped his kids died or something? or was it northwest got kicked instead of rettiwalk?


IDK but he petitionquested Kimm for an in-game account ban over RL attacks so if true he is a hypocrite and welp, toxic.

[Lasher]

Retti mornin hb low tier aimchat

[Gzaz]

Colgate rettiwalk gyno they are all the same full of shit and gongshow will never step up to put them in there place good luck to the good people in empire cause when aimchat has all its loot there will be no one there to do your raids.

[TheDuck]

lets not get ahead of yourself here gzaz, empire still is the fairest loot system that has ever been put in place on red99.

every single loot decision i have seen has been 100% legit, Also, it's aimchats guild. They are allowed to sneak a pixel off to where ever they want whenever they want here and there. When you put enough work to chest burst nihilum and start your own guild by handing out a bunch of free gear to people to get a guild together you can do the same.

until then, empire has been the best thing this server has ever seen when it comes to fair loot system, i was in nihilum, way more loot was black holes in that raiding guild.

[Smedy]

Just seems odd they would favor somebody with 40% RA over an officer

If anyone has the dirt needed to bust some nuts, let me know! It's pretty obvious why someone with 40% RA would get prioritized over a levelheaded guy (also officer) like buhbuh with nearly 99% RA, you think all can figure out what.

Nothing ever changes at P99.

I've always been on staffs side whatever they decide todo but lately i've had a bad feeling the project is no longer cared for, whenever you mention anything around the subject (you know what subject) you will be suspended, silenced or banned. They keep everything on lock down but the problem still remains, it's clear to me you can no longer reach out to the allected officials of this project to get this sorted you have to aim for a larger audience to built enough momentum to have something done about it.

If you have solid evidence of whatever shady shit going on..... you know where to find me

http://coreserver.net/images/agatha.gif

[Samsung]

Don't see how anyone would want to be apart of this and I believe Cyren. Colgate and Rettiwalk are pathetic.

[Gzaz]

Cyrennn

[Samsung]

Just don't join Friends Cyren. If you come back I'll donate my money towards a guild website and ts but I can't play here.

[Ragnaros]

sektor text me

[Smedy]

starting out a new guild by having the weasel use his wallet, not good for PR

[Labanen]

Good read, sounds like a lot of toxicity gathered in too little space at those Empire raids.

[TheDuck]

Friends is like the hall of fame of people who are washed up and don't want to try anymore.

most of them are good players, some of them paid there way in. but in the end none of them want to try anymore at doing anything.

I mean if cyren wants to casually play amongst good players <Friends> is the place to go and retire and really not do anything big other than level more alts and kill lodi and gear up alts in VP gear n shit. Something tells me Cyren won't be able to handle the azrael base of < Friends > though.

GL with whatever you do Cyren, PVP is just to hard to find on this server. Unless we all agree to just go back to KC. I tried coming back to the game for like 2 weeks and tried to pvp but shit was just to wack.

[Tassador]

The amount of crying that goes on a free eq emu server that emulates a 4000 year old game is insane. maybe time to get new hobbies gentlemen...

[vouss]

EQ is life

[Samsung]

starting out a new guild by having the weasel use his wallet, not good for PR

Trust me I won't be playing.

[Beastagoog]

I say this off the back of 3 months(1 in kunark, 2 at velly launch) of raiding with 95% RA (was like 7-8th highest RA attendance that wasn't just afk -- you know who you all are =p ) beyond the reasons of who did what/said what -- Cyren was a huge loss to <Empire> on the basis that he participated in/and created so many of the xp/farm groups outside of raids -- I'd imagine there's a hole left where its not noticed by those that only log in for raids (pretty much 50-60% of empire).

I never had/have any issues with anyone in <Empire> many because I dont care really what people think/or think of others (yes there's alot of that sorta bitching that goes on -- not everyone gets along). So in saying that:

If I may throw my 2cents... I realized I was suffering from burn-out and started to be very cynical towards lewt that was been awarded people who were afk on raids 50% of the time, maybe the officers miss the fact that these people were afking alot and only looked at attendance vrs participation because that's a hard thing to keep track off in a big guild. I saw hybrid-2nd bis items outside of Vulak lewt going to casters who'd already recieved upgrades to those slots and basically were getting minimal overall +'s for that slot...vrs awarding said item to a hybrid who would get 50-60% more efficiency -- but everyone is only human and mistakes happen so I never really piped up about it because it wasn't something I generally cared 2 much about the awarding of dozekar lewt to people who didnt show up for tear farming was something that ground me up the wall (basically the 20-30 people who showed up to tear farming days did 90% of the work for the raid item) but I think generally too the officers were trying to spread the lewt around and judged their decisions on trying to be fair amd equitable to keep people interested and playing still -- the point I am trying to make in saying this is that the more I felt burn out the more I started to let the small things affect me.

Given that your particpation levels were alot higher than mine these events you described might feel like bigger issues than they are. But in saying that everyone feels/sees things differently. I can see your points about feeling undermined been valid and as such gave my point of view about things getting to me after suffering burn-out from the day 2 day raiding.

Hope the best for you and was fun been guilded with you. From the point of view of former raiding member of the guild you have alot of respect of the members in the guild because you were more then players-officer.


TL;DR

Pacifying response:

I felt burn out, started to let the small things get to me.
Maybe burn out got to you too? And all this seems more than it is.

[Ragnaros]

who is azzarthegod nobody seems to know who he is but he writes paragraphs like anyone cares

[Drakaris]

Friends is like the hall of fame of people who are washed up and don't want to try anymore.

most of them are good players, some of them paid there way in. but in the end none of them want to try anymore at doing anything.

I mean if cyren wants to casually play amongst good players <Friends> is the place to go and retire and really not do anything big other than level more alts and kill lodi and gear up alts in VP gear n shit. Something tells me Cyren won't be able to handle the azrael base of < Friends > though.

GL with whatever you do Cyren, PVP is just to hard to find on this server. Unless we all agree to just go back to KC. I tried coming back to the game for like 2 weeks and tried to pvp but shit was just to wack.

Always liked you Agatha, but can't blame the guys for not trusting you considering you are still but deep in Aimchat :(

[Drakaris]

who is azzarthegod nobody seems to know who he is but he writes paragraphs like anyone cares

Haynar's non-staff account?

[Ragnaros]

agatha isnt in the real aim chat, he just has a huge hard on about being cool with everyone
sort of like twainz

[fiegi 8.0]

gotta respect posts from da heart like dis and cast's manifesto

miss u bud

[Beastagoog]

lets not get ahead of yourself here gzaz, empire still is the fairest loot system that has ever been put in place on red99.

every single loot decision i have seen has been 100% legit, Also, it's aimchats guild. They are allowed to sneak a pixel off to where ever they want whenever they want here and there. When you put enough work to chest burst nihilum and start your own guild by handing out a bunch of free gear to people to get a guild together you can do the same.

until then, empire has been the best thing this server has ever seen when it comes to fair loot system, i was in nihilum, way more loot was black holes in that raiding guild.

This is true.

Was an app in nilly for ages got like 3 bits of lewt and saw cof after cof after cof going 2 the guild bank to be bought for 5k and resold on the open market. Man they didnt even give out fucking Deepwater BPs ( 1 of the most trashcan bps) that you couldnt even sell for 10k.

Empire has handed out more epics and basic gear to people than any guild I have seen on this server. That's a fact no one can deny and no other guild has accomplished to this date.

Nilly sold someone a member a ct epic sword for 200k pp empire was giving them out to barely week old apps during kunark days.

[Samsung]

gotta respect posts from da heart like dis and cast's manifesto

miss u bud

You're truly a classy guy. Can't wait to buy you some qdoba and dog pills.

[Beastagoog]

Just don't join Friends Cyren. If you come back I'll donate my money towards a guild website and ts but I can't play here.

Anyone who joins friends is an idiot. The fact they gave lithium and hoolio AoNs over rag,blue and reebz were fucking terrible calls and actually made them look like cucks for accepting it.

If they didnt get the golems recently and those said players got aons they'd prob never get another chance/or be a long time coming. Literally saw lithiuum online for a year making pots for salem and thats it. Rag,blue and reebz been pvping all year holding the friends tag up to its pvp status and lose out on an aon to a boxed pot merchant....cucked.

[Gorillas]

You guys maintain a secret aim chat group that's invite only?

Omg do you guys wear capes and shit too? Is there a secret pass code or handshake?Please tell me you're all in high school or on disability or something.

[heartbrand]

There are special shoes we all wear. Maybe gyno will post a pic.

[Smedy]

You guys maintain a secret aim chat group that's invite only?

Omg do you guys wear capes and shit too? Is there a secret pass code or handshake?Please tell me you're all in high school or on disability or something.

Oh you better take that back! The nerd fraternity consisting of void, broken men whom are all going through midlife crisis is not to be taken lightly! They will find you. they will dox you and most importantly they will ruin your fun in everquest.

These men have nothing to loose and that's their strength, also obama care and drugs.

[Pikrib]

Farzo did you eat paint chips or live under power lines as a child?

Srs question

[Mus3t11]

This wouldn't happen on VZTZ

[AenorVZ]

It's pretty obvious why someone with 40% RA would get prioritized over a levelheaded guy (also officer) like buhbuh with nearly 99% RA, you think all can figure out what.

The involved parties can clarify, but I don't believe it was a pixel dispute where buhbuh was expecting to receive said pixels. This is a classic case of setting somebody up to look bad via micro aggression (although the aggression here weren't very micro). First ask yourself, "qui gives a shit?" If the answer is you, then read on. The next question is, "qui bono." What is the only thing that matters to 90% of the population of Red99? Pixels, duh.

So who benefited? As an officer, Cyren was in a position to influence loot allocation. There are people who don't like him and he's in a position to constrict the flow of pixels to those people. The key to the whole thing is this line:

Gongshow: “Uhhh… Draga?”

From Gongshow's decision to nominate the person who just publicly disrespected an officer for prime pvp loot we can extrapolate possible motivations. Most likely Draga concluded he was untouchable because Aimchat put him up to it in the first place. It looks like somebody unleashed the hounds on Cyren then completely withdrew support so that he would have an emotional reaction that could then be used to blame the whole incident on him. Gongshow's nomination was either meant to be the final straw to send Cyren over the edge or it was Draga's reward for following Aimchat's instructions.

I experienced the same sort of micro/macro aggressions on Sleeper. My crew was tight and we joined the uberguild and helped them unlock Velious. We were moving up the food chain and one of the officers apparently didn't like it. My crew included a husband and wife team and this douche started disrespecting her. I called him out for it to the rest of guild leadership and her husband actually tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Apparently he knew how to play the pixel game better than I did. I ended up saying fuck this and walking away just like Cyren.

So word to future uberquesters: Don't give the micro aggressors what they want. If you compartmentalize your emotions and don't react to it, ultimately their position is weekend because they can't point to your overreaction as being the problem. Everybody saw Cyren get disrespected, but he gave them the reaction that they needed to justify getting him out of the way of pixels flowing the way Aimchat wanted. What was Colgate's only concern in posting in this thread? Damage control.

I've always been on staffs side whatever they decide todo but lately i've had a bad feeling the project is no longer cared for, whenever you mention anything around the subject (you know what subject) you will be suspended, silenced or banned. They keep everything on lock down but the problem still remains, it's clear to me you can no longer reach out to the allected officials of this project to get this sorted you have to aim for a larger audience to built enough momentum to have something done about it.

If you have solid evidence of whatever shady shit going on..... you know where to find me

http://coreserver.net/images/agatha.gif

No I don't know where to find you. Riff Raff still up? Link?

Everything has changed with Daybreak legitimizing this shit. Everything has got to be swept under the rungs and monsters gotta stay in the closets. It's cool ... project is still great and Discord and Teams will be incredible. Empire will get shit on so hard on a server where competition exists. All of them will be in witness protection.

TLDR: Suck my dick. I couldn't give a fuck if you read this or not.

[Samsung]

The involved parties can clarify, but I don't believe it was a pixel dispute where buhbuh was expecting to receive said pixels. This is a classic case of setting somebody up to look bad via micro aggression (although the aggression here weren't very micro). First ask yourself, "qui gives a shit?" If the answer is you, then read on. The next question is, "qui bono." What is the only thing that matters to 90% of the population of Red99? Pixels, duh.

So who benefited? As an officer, Cyren was in a position to influence loot allocation. There are people who don't like him and he's in a position to constrict the flow of pixels to those people. The key to the whole thing is this line:

Gongshow: “Uhhh… Draga?”

From Gongshow's decision to nominate the person who just publicly disrespected an officer for prime pvp loot we can extrapolate possible motivations. Most likely Draga concluded he was untouchable because Aimchat put him up to it in the first place. It looks like somebody unleashed the hounds on Cyren then completely withdrew support so that he would have an emotional reaction that could then be used to blame the whole incident on him. Gongshow's nomination was either meant to be the final straw to send Cyren over the edge or it was Draga's reward for following Aimchat's instructions.

I experienced the same sort of micro/macro aggressions on Sleeper. My crew was tight and we joined the uberguild and helped them unlock Velious. We were moving up the food chain and one of the officers apparently didn't like it. My crew included a husband and wife team and this douche started disrespecting her. I called him out for it to the rest of guild leadership and her husband actually tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Apparently he knew how to play the pixel game better than I did. I ended up saying fuck this and walking away just like Cyren.

So word to future uberquesters: Don't give the micro aggressors what they want. If you compartmentalize your emotions and don't react to it, ultimately their position is weekend because they can't point to your overreaction as being the problem. Everybody saw Cyren get disrespected, but he gave them the reaction that they needed to justify getting him out of the way of pixels flowing the way Aimchat wanted. What was Colgate's only concern in posting in this thread? Damage control.



No I don't know where to find you. Riff Raff still up? Link?

Everything has changed with Daybreak legitimizing this shit. Everything has got to be swept under the rungs and monsters gotta stay in the closets. It's cool ... project is still great and Discord and Teams will be incredible. Empire will get shit on so hard on a server where competition exists. All of them will be in witness protection.

TLDR: Suck my dick. I couldn't give a fuck if you read this or not.

Wow this was a great post.

[Beastagoog]

Farzo did you eat paint chips or live under power lines as a child?

Srs question

Nope just say it how it is.

Sorry it offends you.

[Samsung]

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

since you never actually spoke to us about it, you weren't aware that in reality in aimchat, mornin and retti's bitching was responded to by telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being retards. leaving the hackle hammer loot discussion also prevented you from hearing the in-depth conversation about how rettiwalk is/was shitlisted and his actions the previous day were the primary reason he wouldn't seriously be considered on it or anything he wanted for the foreseeable future. you rejoined the channel, after omai asked why you were seemingly still upset, in the middle of gongshow's opinion that your behavior was an overreaction.

i suppose it will boil down to an agree-to-disagree situation; you will never see it in any way other than the way you saw it in the heat of the moment, and i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells. i would hope that if i acted that way publicly, i would also be brought back down to earth. i also do not agree with an officer believing that his actions are untouchable when every other officer disagrees with them. the guild has just never operated that way.

it's rather disappointing that someone like yourself, who usually gives off an attitude of calm levelheadedness, is taking it beyond the game and playing the "we can't be friends anymore" card over a situation where we just wanted you to take a step back, calm down, and reasonably approach the issue. i still consider you a good pal at the end of it all.

best of luck in your future norrathian endeavors. it's just red99.

Just read this whole post and wow lol you really turned into a joke.

[Pikrib]

Nope just say it how it is.

Sorry it offends you.

The at the time the "Loot decisions" you described were /random.



I am only here to help you not look retarded Farzo but you are making my job awfully hard.

[Beastagoog]

The at the time the "Loot decisions" you described were /random.



I am only here to help you not look retarded Farzo but you are making my job awfully hard.

Not gunna turn Cyrens thread in to this debate; but who does a /random on AoNs?

C'mon dude ur better than that - we all know why it was a /random

[Ragnaros]

shrug love my bone

[BeautBabeC]

Nope just say it how it is.

Sorry it offends you.

Do you realize the shit you post is complete bullshit? You don't even know the names of the people or the guilds they got loot in and why. Like I don't know who your parroting but you have 0 facts bud, you sound like a fucking idiot. Are you one of those people that walks around repeating everything he reads or hears and tries to pass it as fact?



Your FQ game is devolving into retti territory, take a look in the mirror big guy and slow down a bit

[Beastagoog]

Do you realize the shit you post is complete bullshit? You don't even know the names of the people or the guilds they got loot in and why. Like I don't know who your parroting but you have 0 facts bud, you sound like a fucking idiot. Are you one of those people that walks around repeating everything he reads or hears and tries to pass it as fact?



Your FQ game is devolving into retti territory, take a look in the mirror big guy and slow down a bit

So you're denying AoNs went to a ranger who had/has a pvp score of 2-0 and a shaman that is generally boxed/makes potions over people who have/had 200+ kills/active pvpers

If you are then u need 2 seek help or your defence if your guild/choices are loyal as.

[FraggleRock]

Don't quit. Slay them all

[Beastagoog]

Of*

[ducktv]

So you're denying AoNs went to a ranger who had/has a pvp score of 2-0 and a shaman that is generally boxed/makes potions over people who have/had 200+ kills/active pvpers

If you are then u need 2 seek help or your defence if your guild/choices are loyal as.

dude you are obsessed with us.

[magician]

you're writing novels about your Everquest life - seek immediate help

[TheBiznessTZ]

you're writing novels about your Everquest life - seek immediate help

I knew burt's 1st post in this thread would reek of aim chat faggotry. Saw it coming 10/10

[Odann]

Can we get a list of Retti's alt's? Got's to update my watch list.

[Eslade]

http://www.video-game-addiction.org/internet-addictions-adults.html

[magician]

gottem eslade

[Kergan]

There really is no point in guild kicking people on R99. Honestly, blackballing someone from loot but letting them continue to show up is a far worse punishment anyway.

[magician]

that's the ragnaros treatment. real effective

[magician]

he got cucked by it for many moons

[compulsion]

10/10 thread. This sounds like the kind of thing you would read about from some shithole town council in West Virginia or on court TV, but you guys do it for +health on your virtual swords instead of oxy. Or in some cases, maybe both.

i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells.

^ seems like a great environment, no wonder that so many quality individuals choose to spend their free time here.

[Stalos_]

a good read.

Empire lost a good nerd. Your subtraction was an addition to yourself at minimum. You were obviously an asset and they chose the liability.

sidenote - you inspired people's replies to use their out of ordinary vocabulary, lol'd.

[dis_mornin]

Jesus never seen a berg on this level. I like ya Cyren and I miss you but look in the fucking mirror.

As for my part in the whole situation. You were involved and intended on rapturing Gyno or atleast saying that in TS. So lets not deny that. That's why I even started fucking with you. All in all though. It was playful even though I didn't like the making a mockery of my good pal gyno in front of whole guild. As far as Retti. He usually takes shit to the next level. But so did you.

That being said. Gong and Colgate's reaction was purely in response to your overly ridiculous Berg out. You talk about Gongshows vanity but just reading your posts its all about how you were the officer. You control loot. You are above everyone else. You need to be respected. Get over yourself. Officer of elf sim game. If you handled the situation differently you would've gotten a more favourable reaction from your fellow officers.

Fact remains. However you want to spin it. You bergd out. That's why you didn't get the support of officers. Not because we are all in Aimchat. Honestly not sure there is person that despises me more than gongshow and its not like the officers haven't had it out for me before so not sure why you think Aimchat tag is the reason you weren't supported. It was your own actions. Glgb kick rocks.

[Troubled]

Good luck Cyren, and thanks for bringing the forum crazies out to laugh at. ;)

[magician]

good post morning. did not read Cyrens tho as it was tldr...

[Eslade]

https://49.media.tumblr.com/4ff6296dc71b65e4af45113ef359380a/tumblr_n4horcYtRT1rg0lgoo1_500.gif

[Stalos_]

good post morning. did not read Cyrens tho as it was tldr...

too busy to read post

not to busy to show up 2min after mornin post to shake pom-poms.

[Mus3t11]

too busy to read post

not to busy to show up 2min after mornin post to shake pom-poms.

Lol

[Masaka]

too busy to read post

not to busy to show up 2min after mornin post to shake pom-poms.

gottem Stalos

[grannock]

lets not get ahead of yourself here gzaz, empire still is the fairest loot system that has ever been put in place on red99.

every single loot decision i have seen has been 100% legit, Also, it's aimchats guild. They are allowed to sneak a pixel off to where ever they want whenever they want here and there. When you put enough work to chest burst nihilum and start your own guild by handing out a bunch of free gear to people to get a guild together you can do the same.

until then, empire has been the best thing this server has ever seen when it comes to fair loot system, i was in nihilum, way more loot was black holes in that raiding guild.

Yep.


Will miss Cyren, he will always be a good pal. Would trade him for Retti anytime.

[TheDuck]

aenors post is so on point with my position when i was in friends, gods work merged with fiends, they didnt want me and my brother but vapo said they are with me. everyone was super passive aggressive to down right disrespectful.

first it was swallow my pride and just take it like a bitch, then it was hey vapo this isnt working out whats going on is fucked up, vapo sided with them. and i took a walk.

pretty shitty thing, he ended up siding with people who don't even play with him. could still be playing EQ together, instead just farming POM cards alone.

[AenorVZ]

There are special shoes we all wear. Maybe gyno will post a pic.

What's the membership fee for warm bodies like you?

[Samsung]

Now that Cyrens gone can I join now?

[magician]

savage wolves were terrible I can attest to this fact because I joined their teamspeak once

[TheDuck]

What's the membership fee for warm bodies like you?

lol HB has paid out in full for every single piece of gear in every game he's played in aimchat.

the only special shoes HB wears are the ones that have ATM written on them.

[Redi]

lots of factless accusations being said by someone clearly in an emotional and unemployed state


anon alts messaging you? lol get a life kid
no offensive spells up? you were coordinating the kill on gyno and casting raptures
you can pvp guildies but nobody can pvp you without u having a bitch fit? dont cry over pvp
disrespecting officers gets me g kicked? i havn't made any raids so I was purged due to 0 RA (cringes at you being a tryhard)
good luck


You have slain Cyren!
[PvP] Cyren <Empire> has been defeated by Draga <Empire> in Temple of Veeshan!

You have slain Cyren!
[PvP] Cyren <Empire> has been defeated by Draga <> in Temple of Veeshan!

Cyren tells you, 'don't taunt me. and don't touch me on raids.'

Cyren tells you, 'shrug, you're only hurting yourself. last i recall you werent on loot council'

Cyren tells you, 'good luck.'

[letsjoe]

was hoping this would be a bit more juicy, miss ya cyren, maybe in 2018 we will be guildies again

[Jazzy]

Great read. Love me some r99 forums whilst taking a dump at work and getting paid

[magician]

Great read. Love me some r99 forums whilst taking a dump at work and getting paid

[SamwiseRed]

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

since you never actually spoke to us about it, you weren't aware that in reality in aimchat, mornin and retti's bitching was responded to by telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being retards. leaving the hackle hammer loot discussion also prevented you from hearing the in-depth conversation about how rettiwalk is/was shitlisted and his actions the previous day were the primary reason he wouldn't seriously be considered on it or anything he wanted for the foreseeable future. you rejoined the channel, after omai asked why you were seemingly still upset, in the middle of gongshow's opinion that your behavior was an overreaction.

i suppose it will boil down to an agree-to-disagree situation; you will never see it in any way other than the way you saw it in the heat of the moment, and i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells. i would hope that if i acted that way publicly, i would also be brought back down to earth. i also do not agree with an officer believing that his actions are untouchable when every other officer disagrees with them. the guild has just never operated that way.

it's rather disappointing that someone like yourself, who usually gives off an attitude of calm levelheadedness, is taking it beyond the game and playing the "we can't be friends anymore" card over a situation where we just wanted you to take a step back, calm down, and reasonably approach the issue. i still consider you a good pal at the end of it all.

best of luck in your future norrathian endeavors. it's just red99.

tl dr, GL with exams this semester.

[Doors]

tldr

c u in azeroth faggot.

[LostCause]

http://i.imgur.com/MrW5mUX.gif

[AenorVZ]

aenors post is so on point with my position when i was in friends.

Good chatting with you in qhills. My offer stands. Always ready to be men about it.

[AenorVZ]

savage wolves were terrible I can attest to this fact because I joined their teamspeak once

That means a lot coming from one of the worst posters in elf sim history.

[magician]

sick troll

[AenorVZ]

sick troll

Be sure to post your character names when Discord is released. I will.

[magician]

sick threat

[dis_mornin]

Look out Burt. Dis dude cummin for you

[Samsung]

Shut up Mornin

[Redi]

Still denied tho

[Pokeman]

https://i.imgur.com/59VGnC6.jpg

[Samsung]

Still denied tho

Gongshow will let me in if players like you keep griefing member's to leave. Guilds can't afford to lose members on Red99. Can't wait to join and win loot over you. 8)

[magician]

#samsung #whalelife

[heartbrand]

micro aggressions? lol? someone read The Atlantic article on this and now throwin that word around?


also it's one thing to berg about loot, it's why we play an MMO. it's another thing to berg out cuz ur elf sim char got pk'ed and u felt like it meant u weren't respected or somethin. newsflash, no one respects anyone over being an elf sim officer. they might suck ur dick cuz ur on a loot council, but they don't respect you. it's a video game. we're all just trying to have the most powerful elf sim char in all of Norrath, not put on our Linkedin profile that we worked under SVP Cyren for 2 years and use u as a job reference.

[Ragnaros]

lmao this thread

[dis_mornin]

Gongshow will let me in if players like you keep griefing member's to leave. Guilds can't afford to lose members on Red99. Can't wait to join and win loot over you. 8)

Few post up you tell me to shut up. But I'll keep talking and drop some truth. I have been one of the biggest proponents of you joining empire. But guess what? Aint ever gonna happen. Sorry, I don't have enough swing. If you Gongshow wanted you so bad. You think that'd be the case? Glgb

[Troubled]

micro aggressions? lol? someone read The Atlantic article on this and now throwin that word around?


also it's one thing to berg about loot, it's why we play an MMO. it's another thing to berg out cuz ur elf sim char got pk'ed and u felt like it meant u weren't respected or somethin. newsflash, no one respects anyone over being an elf sim officer. they might suck ur dick cuz ur on a loot council, but they don't respect you. it's a video game. we're all just trying to have the most powerful elf sim char in all of Norrath, not put on our Linkedin profile that we worked under SVP Cyren for 2 years and use u as a job reference.

I dunno what you're putting on your job apps but clearly I've been doing it wrong.

[Kergan]

not put on our Linkedin profile that we worked under SVP Cyren for 2 years and use u as a job reference.

I had a resume come to me for an open end user services position last year that had WoW guild leader listed under the special skills section.

I did not select that individual to advance to the phone interview phase.

[dis_mornin]

newsflash, no one respects anyone over being an elf sim officer. they might suck ur dick cuz ur on a loot council, but they don't respect you. it's a video game. we're all just trying to have the most powerful elf sim char in all of Norrath, not put on our Linkedin profile that we worked under SVP Cyren for 2 years and use u as a job reference.

LOL. Love HB. Even though he don't realize it sum times

[Gongshow]

I can respect this piece of propaganda. Well timed, too.

It coincides perfectly with the upstart guild that is "secretly" trying to poach Empire members.

PS. Everyone knows.

PPS. Everyone's laughing.

[SamwiseRed]

tldr

c u in azeroth faggot.

? wow is for faggots. i play eve. at least get it right.

[Jazzy]

I can respect this piece of propaganda. Well timed, too.

It coincides perfectly with the upstart guild that is "secretly" trying to poach Empire members.

PS. Everyone knows.

PPS. Everyone's laughing.

If true, wouldnt this be good for the server in all honesty?

Its a video game afterall

[SamwiseRed]

I had a resume come to me for an open end user services position last year that had WoW guild leader listed under the special skills section.

I did not select that individual to advance to the phone interview phase.

so ur the reason i didnt get a call back. ass.

[Nirgon]

You ever level those CoH mages?

[Ragnaros]

why does gongshow try to come off as some formal politician in his posts
does this game make you feel important or something?

[Ella`Ella]

why does gongshow try to come off as some formal politician in his posts
does this game make you feel important or something?

It's how a guild leader of any caliber should act.

[letsjoe]

It's how a guild leader of any caliber should act.

you a yesman?

[SamwiseRed]

everquest is a career to some.

[Ragnaros]

you a yesman?

that's what I was thinking,
why are we so smart joe?

[Doors]

Running a guild in any mmo is not easy. Especially here.

Takes a lot of work and effort. Idiots will say it's just elfsim and pawn it off. That's why these people are followers and not leaders.

[Ella`Ella]

you a yesman?

Naw naw, but coming from blue, I thought Gongshow acted pretty thoughtfully on a server where he can literally do and act however the fuck he wants with little-to-no consequence.

[Ragnaros]

Naw naw, but coming from blue, I thought Gongshow acted pretty thoughtfully on a server where he can literally do and act however the fuck he wants with little-to-no consequence.

I can tell you have very low testosterone

[CosmicOwl]

13 pages and still lukewarm.
Turn up heat of move to Blue Server Chat plz.

[SamwiseRed]

Running a guild in any mmo is not easy. Especially here.

Takes a lot of work and effort. Idiots will say it's just elfsim and pawn it off. That's why these people are followers and not leaders.

what guild did you lead here?

[Samsung]

Few post up you tell me to shut up. But I'll keep talking and drop some truth. I have been one of the biggest proponents of you joining empire. But guess what? Aint ever gonna happen. Sorry, I don't have enough swing. If you Gongshow wanted you so bad. You think that'd be the case? Glgb

So what if I tell you to shut up? I still like ya and to be honest you guys are losing members. Recruitment is a lot harder now than its ever been. Sooner or later you're going to have to start recruiting.

[Nirgon]

think Cyren owes 700k or so to the guild bank for a wind striker? confirm or deny?

[magician]

can confirm. also the departing of cyren literally had no effect on empire. shows how
much he *did not mean* to the well oiled machine.

[grannock]

If true, wouldnt this be good for the server in all honesty?

Its a video game afterall

It would be good to have an opposition guild that isnt led by spineless fucks in denial.

[CosmicOwl]

think Cyren owes 700k or so to the guild bank for a wind striker? confirm or deny?

Sounds scummy.

[hatelore]

Hi, Dr. Hatelore stopping in to let you all know that there is finally a cure for all of this pent-up-man-tit-elf-drama. Its called:






Pussy.





Regards.

[Salaryman]

nice wall of text, I read it. I think you got burned out farming items for 10 alts.

[Stalos_]

To all you nerds trying to derail

Enough -

Empire/ex empire continue ...

[Redi]

http://i.imgur.com/7Evb1v8.gif

[magician]

Cyren tells you, 'don't taunt me. and don't touch me on raids.'

Cyren tells you, 'shrug, you're only hurting yourself. last i recall you werent on loot council'

Cyren tells you, 'good luck.'

if you send tells like this you are clearly a faggot and need to step outside more often

[Gzaz]

can confirm. also the departing of cyren literally had no effect on empire. shows how
much he *did not mean* to the well oiled machine.

cyren did alot its a shame you only logged on for raid time...... so you wouldn't know the good deeds he did. Burt/Eric cartman you are trash keep sucking the tit of colgate which will get you no where

[magician]

yeah he did a lot of good leading kael raids for his 17 Alts during unemployed hours

[magician]

gotti

[FraggleRock]

Isn't Burt the guy who open micd screaming at his mom YOU BURNT MY FUCKING FoOD. Then tried to play it off like it's cool to be a deadbeat no lifer whose mommy makes then lunch and dinner?

[Ragnaros]

lol

[magician]

yes I did. u got
an issue with that?

[Genedin]

Once you find yourself taking elf sim this seriously, the best thing you could POSSIBLY have done, was quit.

I hope the time away from this cesspool provides for some introspective reflection on what is important in life, and what is not.

Hint: This is not.

[FraggleRock]

Deadbeat. You are a deadbeat

[magician]

the sad part is he still plays 17 hours per day. he wrote this post 2 weeks ago and has been critiquing it ever since in notepad.

[Ragnaros]

cyren has very good literacy and grammar skills

[magician]

I wouldn't know his post is classified as TLDR

[Redi]

I ctrl Fd my name because it was classified tldr and I only care about what he said about me

He's currently sulking in an empire alt TeamSpeak fyi

[Qtip]

Isn't Burt the guy who open micd screaming at his mom YOU BURNT MY FUCKING FoOD. Then tried to play it off like it's cool to be a deadbeat no lifer whose mommy makes then lunch and dinner?

ROFL

[Genedin]

Winning at Everquest.

Winning at real life.

These two things are mutually exclusive.

[Ragnaros]

there are plenty of rich athletes/celebrities who do/did dedicate a lot of time to MMOs

[krazyGlue]

does anyone like retti ?

[magician]

u got prof or just speaking out ur ass?

[Redi]

8)

[Heebo]

Fandango plays second base for the Sox

[Eslade]

there are plenty of rich athletes/celebrities who do/did dedicate a lot of time to MMOs

worked out for curt schilling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/38_Studios

[Ragnaros]

vinn diesel was a hardcore WoW raider for sometime
dream big boys

[Redi]

Today, 01:37 AM @ OP

[Genedin]

there are plenty of rich athletes/celebrities who do/did dedicate a lot of time to MMOs

Did I say MMOs, or did I say Everquest?

Point to me a rich athlete or celebrity, who gained that status while maintaining lets say...empire 80% raid attendance hours... just one please. Not some Mila Kunis played wow scenario.

[Tassador]

Did I say MMOs, or did I say Everquest?

Point to me a rich athlete or celebrity, who gained that status while maintaining lets say...empire 80% raid attendance hours... just one please. Not some Mila Kunis played wow scenario.

100% sir this goofball is telling you athletes or celebs playing mmo on an emu. Laughs out loud!

[Ragnaros]

Did I say MMOs, or did I say Everquest?

Point to me a rich athlete or celebrity, who gained that status while maintaining lets say...empire 80% raid attendance hours... just one please. Not some Mila Kunis played wow scenario.

Celebs are people too bro, just because some people cant balance real life and elf life doesn't mean others cant
there are a lot of celebrities who dedicate hours to a hobby of gaming

[magician]

u got prof or u speaking out ur ass?

[Ragnaros]

http://kotaku.com/watch-vin-diesel-playing-world-of-warcraft-with-paul-wa-1532380858
u mad or naw

[magician]

man you mentioned vin diesel twice in a 5 minute span. is he ur aspiring hero? ull never be like vin with socks/shirts like those

[Ragnaros]

im a few protein shakes away dude

[compulsion]

Did I say MMOs, or did I say Everquest?

Point to me a rich athlete or celebrity, who gained that status while maintaining lets say...empire 80% raid attendance hours... just one please. Not some Mila Kunis played wow scenario.

Not truly a celebrity, but if I remember correctly, Rexx was a wealthy, international, man of mystery with a hot Russian bride :)

[Redi]

Stop spam

[Utanven]

Sorry u got burned, seems they have a history of this.

Realize though No one person is gonna mean anything when your raiding with 90.

They don't care , they are not coming with you. They will stay with the ppl they "hate" for pixels

Retti is just ridiculas in everyway, no one liked him in nihil either but tune /nizzar/vapo would always put him in his place.

[magician]

ridiculas

[heartbrand]

Sorry u got burned, seems they have a history of this.

Realize though No one person is gonna mean anything when your raiding with 90.

They don't care , they are not coming with you. They will stay with the ppl they "hate" for pixels

Retti is just ridiculas in everyway, no one liked him in nihil either but tune /nizzar/vapo would always put him in his place.

played in nihilum for 32 months, was warm body, no1 cares, thx bai

[Utanven]

played in nihilum for 32 months, was warm body, no1 cares, thx bai

Speaking of people no one likes to guild with.

You were running that joke Red Dawn until crumbling, how many times u re join nilly? 3?

Big negative sandbag player.

[magician]

that's ridiculas

[heartbrand]

Speaking of people no one likes to guild with.

You were running that joke Red Dawn until crumbling, how many times u re join nilly? 3?

Big negative sandbag player.

heheheheheheh u joined red dawn for 2 months helping us clear planes heheheheheheeheh

u lost

[Jeni]

I don't normally post on the forums but during my short time in Empire on my first character I felt like Cyren was always a solid stand up guy. On day two of my stay with Empire he did my epic for me and for that I will always be grateful.

Your courageous post has inspired me to make one of my own, it will be coming soon.

[magician]

"the art of being a crybaby bitch" by Cyren

[Redi]

https://i.imgflip.com/x8q8j.jpg

[magician]

maybe cyren can summarize his fucking original post in a comedic skit and put it on YouTube so that we can all point and laugh at how pathetic his life has become

[Uuruk]

This thread is proof how much this server sucks ass.

[MEGANS LAW]

I just want to say to the people of Red99 and Empire:

I am innocent of any wrongdoings. I dindu nuffins and did not participate in any of these actions/transgression.

I DINDU NUFFIN.

[magician]

okay man we get it you don't like the server. you tell us time and time again, could you please leave the forums as well ??

[miraclegrow2]

wow posted at 4am and already 20 pages

this thread is a hit

you were chill when i was in empire and you had every right to leave, after i was killed by fandango after getting a rez on a raid i decided to leave as well, previousley i had no intentions of leaving ( i just waited my turn for vs staff )

the fact nothing was done showed me the guild is shit ( in your case as well )

either way you arent missing anything.

[dis_mornin]

Burt, I think we need another thread talking about how ridiculas this thread is.

[Uuruk]

Make a few more posts in the thread Burt. Up to 25 already. No one cares what you or fat ass retti have to say.

[magician]

25 and many more to come, love derailing really well thought out posts

[Utanven]

heheheheheheh u joined red dawn for 2 months helping us clear planes heheheheheheeheh

u lost

No? Was in for 10 days, got wraith of shissar (guild first?) then dipped, oh I ported up for those sky gloves u guys farmed me too. Super efficient. Stay mad tho hehe

[snufzaimoverlord]

Burt exercising his right as an Autism Amplifier.

[Samsung]

Burt exercising his right as an Autism Amplifier.

Lol

[magician]

stay ridiculas heheheheheehhe

[Redi]

Make a few more posts in the thread Burt. Up to 25 already. No one cares what you or fat ass retti have to say.

Kick rocks wannabe hall monitor

[quido]

I like Cyren and wish him the best.

[Uuruk]

Kick rocks wannabe hall monitor

Kick rocks fat ass

[derpcake]

I like Cyren and wish him the best.

yes

[derpcake]

i got drunk and was pretty rude to him

he didn't kill me nor use his officer position, just stayed calm and explained he wasn't at fault

A+ dude

[heartbrand]

No? Was in for 10 days, got wraith of shissar (guild first?) then dipped, oh I ported up for those sky gloves u guys farmed me too. Super efficient. Stay mad tho hehe

yikes u sound really riled up dude relax

[magician]

the guy is sounding ridiculas atm

[derpcake]

Burt exercising his right as an Autism Amplifier.

gem

[magician]

that's a dank meme within the empire society. sorry ur behind the times

[derpcake]

its pretty classy to complain in this thread after having served under Cyren for quite a while

guessing the closest you'll get to classy is a dank meme though

[magician]

served ? I serve under the duke gongshow and only gongshow. any other pseudo officer can fuck off mate u dig ???

[derpcake]

i don't, but i'm sure colgate appreciates the thought

[derpcake]

how bout you show some high T and YT him next raid

in b4 weak shit excuse

[magician]

no one takes officer ship literal like cyrenian the cuckold. Colgate doesn't give two shits.. I'm on skype with him right now and we r both laughing @ u

IM ON THE FUCKING LOOT COUNCIL OKAY?

[derpcake]

i can't wait till its your turn

a great spectacle indeed

keep investing time bro, its well spent )

[derpcake]

btw let me know when you YT colgate or so

just worried about your low low T

[magician]

wut do u mean my turn. I ain't a Berger like cyren. my slate is clean.

think cyren is a hot contender for the great macequest of 2016

[derpcake]

noone that quits goes macequest

i'm more worried about people that abandon any kind of decency when pixels are involved

worried as in looking forward to gladiatorial games

use oak for the haft bro

[derpcake]

i like your confidence in your non-bergerness, when empire obviously judges differently

where is your officer tittle?

it must be a lack of dedication, better level your 15th 60

[Xaanka]

there is zero penalty for your elf character dying in this game but we still get threads like this, and an entire guild of players afraid to log in during daytime hours. everyone on p99 red needs mental health. that is all.

[magician]

heheheheeehe sweet posts bro love it rated 10 of 10 would read again

[Xaanka]

wow posted at 4am and already 20 pages

this thread is a hit

you were chill when i was in empire and you had every right to leave, after i was killed by fandango after getting a rez on a raid i decided to leave as well, previousley i had no intentions of leaving ( i just waited my turn for vs staff )

the fact nothing was done showed me the guild is shit ( in your case as well )

either way you arent missing anything.

good job fandango

[iruinedyourday]

lol pumped "deciding to leave" any guild...

[magician]

Buhbuh Buhbuh is online now
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for the next 2 weeks cyren will be dick deep in the private messages fishing for possible recruits to the super secret Kickstarter guild built upon revenge and unemployed wheelchair questers

[Xaanka]

whole thread is weird, cyren in the past always struck me as one of the more level headed people on the box, not the type to lose their cool over getting killed in everquest

server's a slippery slope into mental illness

[iruinedyourday]

whole thread is weird, cyren in the past always struck me as one of the more level headed people on the box, not the type to lose their cool over getting killed in everquest

server's a slippery slope into mental illness

ya cyren is a fine guy and buhbuh is a great forum personality, but the OP is definitely the definition of falling deep into the immersion hole

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/8e/45/a98e45628043379bac0fca89e513d8c9.gif

[Redi]

He's on the loot council. Good luck.

[derpcake]

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for the next 2 weeks cyren will be dick deep in the private messages fishing for possible recruits to the super secret Kickstarter guild built upon revenge and unemployed wheelchair questers

i sent him a PM to thank him

much like i thanked gongshow & colgate after my time in empire

you are projecting your dick deep situation

try hurb

[Xaanka]

He's on the loot council. Good luck.

i'm more commenting on what this server seems to do to people. i think most of us can agree cyren's one of the more normal people on the box, and this thread's proof it can happen to anyone if you get too immersed. sometimes we all need to just take a step back and realize that at the end of the day this is a dying 17 year old emulated elf server and nothing that happens on here really matters, before we catch ourselves making posts about dead elves and respect and stuff.

[magician]

yeah I agree cyren fell hard hope he can recover from this

[Huelath]

man i love everquest

[Huelath]

what i took away from this thread is that it was posted at 4:53 am and had over 30 posts before 7am

[Redi]

Ya Cyrene is "more normal" while having 23 alts and playing his third monk and telling people "I'm on the loot council don't touch me" and quitting like a baby

[Gorillas]

served ? I serve under the duke gongshow and only gongshow. any other pseudo officer can fuck off mate u dig ???

How pathetic do you have to be to "derail" threads, then act like you're accomplishing anything? Is your Mom busy making dinner? She can't take you outside?

It's hilarious to read all these dick sucker posts by no life's on shitty server.

Ooohh Colgate I'm here to defend you gobble gobble gobble cough gobble gobble

[magician]

sick troll

[TacoSmasher]

this thread is so juicy and scandalous omg

[magician]

How pathetic do you have to be to "derail" threads, then act like you're accomplishing anything? Is your Mom busy making dinner? She can't take you outside?

It's hilarious to read all these dick sucker posts by no life's on shitty server.

Ooohh Colgate I'm here to defend you gobble gobble gobble cough gobble gobble

I own these fuckin boards. I OWN them. you don't own shit but the shit stain on your underpants.

[Gorillas]

sick troll

Do you really live with your Mommy?

[Ragnaros]

love my mother

[Samsung]

Best thing you can do is ignore Burt and stay on topic.

[magician]

#whalelife

[grannock]

What is this thread about, how cyren quit in october?

[Samsung]

What is this thread about, how cyren quit in october?

How messed up the leadership is.

[magician]

sorry u applied 9 times and were denied every single time

[heartbrand]

The level of involvement is unprecedented. Nizzar would be casual compared to the hours people are putting in right now. Not gonna mention any names, but there are people playing till 7-8 am every night. Quitting R99 is the best thing you can do for yourself.

wut? raiding is more casual than ever. raids go for like 45 minutes to 2 hours max 4 days a week. 99% of the guild then logs off until the next raid. you can be 80% RA with about 3-4 hours total invested in this game a week. maybe when velious first launched it was hardcore but now it's on the loot pinata express.

[Xaanka]

wut? raiding is more casual than ever. raids go for like 45 minutes to 2 hours max 4 days a week. 99% of the guild then logs off until the next raid. you can be 80% RA with about 3-4 hours total invested in this game a week. maybe when velious first launched it was hardcore but now it's on the loot pinata express.

i think he means that despite everything in your post, there's still extremely invested people playing alt#4012 until they collapse from exhaustion getting way too invested in this dead, gay free farm server.

[Samsung]

Can we get more Empire officers to comment on what's going on with why Rettiwalk was never punished? Why does Cyren leaving excuse this?

[magician]

wut? raiding is more casual than ever. raids go for like 45 minutes to 2 hours max 4 days a week. 99% of the guild then logs off until the next raid. you can be 80% RA with about 3-4 hours total invested in this game a week. maybe when velious first launched it was hardcore but now it's on the loot pinata express.

quoted 4 truth. nobody plays this game to pvp, we play other games for that. I play 2 hours a night maybe 2-3 nights a week. I collect pixels. that's what I do. I'm a pixel collector. lite on the other hand has been on the losing end of the server for the last 5 years. not sure why he still shows up around here. Jesus Christ that must be embarrassing to lose that hard and still express your opinion like u matter. go quest on nostalrius u freak.

[Samsung]

Awaiting a response from Empire leadership. It's a fair and reasonable question.

[TacoSmasher]

IMO all guild on guild violence should result in dkp wipes for all involved.

[Xaanka]

Hey blokes ,it.s a bitch to be the new kid on the block.But in this world only the strongest will survive,anybody who gets past noobiness is gonna be fookin OK.. I am just a noob,I like you guy's attitude , camaraderie and badass jokes. I see there is a lot to learn from here and also some of us can give good ideas back.I have been a bike rider,mechanic,engineer for most of 20years of workin,I joined here to be part of a growing group of blokes who are rite out on the cutting edge,with a thought I may have some ideas and helpfull shit that I have picked up over the years that I can share with you and that you guys would accept a fookin British import into your select club.I am sure there are other Noobs out there with equally good intentions.Bring them in and let them strengthen the fellowship here.It sucks to be a noob but some are here for the long haul, accept them for what they are dedicated loonatic fighters with probably the same dreams as most of you seasoned fooking road warriors.Remember this mates..."all for one and one for all".........Fuck yeah.

[Nirgon]

real surprised Burt going harder than anyone else here got damn

and Sektor, if they were ever so desperate as to need a cleric I'd step in on Yoloswag (which Fistlin has access to already)

[Kerwin]

tldr server is dead later nerds LOL

[iruinedyourday]

Awaiting a response from Empire leadership. It's a fair and reasonable question.

https://youtu.be/HTr5CjpSp-g?t=34

what you saw as a "spineless response" was, from our perspective, not supporting an emotional, unprecedented response to something that happened very frequently and went without severe punishment in every single case. everyone supported the idea of punishing rettiwalk had you been calm about the situation and actually spoke to us about it, which you never did aside from later that night when you were simply plotting to grief rettiwalk at raids, and i supported it, but said to let letsjoe do the dirty work so that it does not reflect poorly on you. every other officer was in agreement that you were simply throwing a public temper tantrum.

since you never actually spoke to us about it, you weren't aware that in reality in aimchat, mornin and retti's bitching was responded to by telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being retards. leaving the hackle hammer loot discussion also prevented you from hearing the in-depth conversation about how rettiwalk is/was shitlisted and his actions the previous day were the primary reason he wouldn't seriously be considered on it or anything he wanted for the foreseeable future. you rejoined the channel, after omai asked why you were seemingly still upset, in the middle of gongshow's opinion that your behavior was an overreaction.

i suppose it will boil down to an agree-to-disagree situation; you will never see it in any way other than the way you saw it in the heat of the moment, and i just don't agree with suddenly treating a common situation drastically differently just because it happened to you and you're an officer. i never freaked out when hona would attack me at raids and spam me with threats, including real life ones, in tells. i would hope that if i acted that way publicly, i would also be brought back down to earth. i also do not agree with an officer believing that his actions are untouchable when every other officer disagrees with them. the guild has just never operated that way.

it's rather disappointing that someone like yourself, who usually gives off an attitude of calm levelheadedness, is taking it beyond the game and playing the "we can't be friends anymore" card over a situation where we just wanted you to take a step back, calm down, and reasonably approach the issue. i still consider you a good pal at the end of it all.

best of luck in your future norrathian endeavors. it's just red99.

[Samsung]

Can we get more Empire officers to comment on what's going on with why Rettiwalk was never punished? Why does Cyren leaving excuse this?

Any officers going to respond to this?

[derpcake]

love my mother

pras this honest parasite

off all the parasites on r99, this one is upper class

A+

[magician]

u surprised I'm a bamf, nirgerall??

[Redi]

App denied still. Go join shitnado w brobb and sapphia, scrub.

[derpcake]

u surprised I'm a bamf, nirgerall??

as a non-factor i have to say noone gives a shit about your opinion

noone in empire does either

post again after attaining officer status

thx