Plane of Mischief - Card Drops

[Daldaen]

On EQMac, all mobs in AiW4 could drop thrones. On P99 however Glonk and Grink cannot drop thrones. This is incorrect. I've been researching trying to find evidence beyond just how I know it worked on EQMac and found some:

Mischief Boards 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020116130046/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessageRange?topicID= 126.topic&start=41&stop=60)

Mischief Boards 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020305000940/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessage?topicID=58.to pic)

cleared alice once n got a red throne off glonk
cleared puppets n got crap ^_^
i have revived hope in this zone again

In 2 days this week.

Glonk in AIW, on 4th kill (hard Glonk) Black Throne dropped

Tunare Puppet today dropped Blue Throne.

also one throne from the last ape in AiW.

I'm one of the only people on the Tribunal that touchs PoM, and as I only play for 2-3 hours a week spread out over 30-40 minute intervals, clearing 4th tier AiW is the most productive use of my time

In the last two weeks of doing this, I've managed to get 6 thrones. That is probably around 8 22s, and 5-6 glonk/grinks, and a couple doing of the halfling pair. As a solo shaman the halflings are a pain in the ass, and take around 20+ minutes to do both.

Also, I was lucky enough to get TWO thrones off 22 at once... Blue/Black.

I got 5 thrones from Alice last night, including 3 red. :eek On the other hand I haven't seen a puppet give up a throne since Lawrence Welk went off the air.

Mischief Boards 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20030713012319/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessage?topicID=81.to pic)

Card drops
Well on the count that nobody cares about any cards except thrones. 4th Grink, Glonk, Brenn and Grenn will drop thrones. Their chances are like 1/7ish. TwentyTwo however has decent chance of dropping thrones. I'd say he is 1/3. Twice I've seen him drop 2 thrones at one time. Let me just say when you solo him and get 2 thrones it makes you feel damn good.

Stomples also drops thrones, I've seen him dropa white throne a black crown and a jester at the same time for me hehe. Jester seems to be his more common, thrones on him seem to be rare in my case, I've killed him over 20 times and only have gotten 1 throne. I know others who have killed him less but got 2.

Second and third Alice will drop crowns/knights. First can drop squires.

Archers are the end of alice can drop knights/crowns. The garden area can drop knights/crowns.

Rat maze can drop knights/squires.

Upside down wing crowns/knights.

Puppet theatre is fubared.

Forest can drop squires/ knights from those hands dtreasure chest and stuff. Pansies can also drop knights.

Chest room (main room) can drop BLAM STickS! and squirse also.

Chessboard can drop knights/crowns.

Jesters will drop from STomples, Ferjenerer, and My Right Hand.

Bozer the bear, Riccolous, and Jumbo Gorilla King can drop knights/crowns in the Northwest wing.

Teence the Naysayer and Petunia the doll can drop squires, Teence might drop knights but my memory is rusty.

Mr. Malodar, Willy the hall Monitor and Life can drop knights/squires.

Gorilla scholars can drop knights/crowns. The Spinxes drop squires.... and Pinky Enflaksdjflks II can drop a rusty mace!

Bristlebane drops like nothing...and the audience drop squires and knights.

Killing Vinni V.D Vicci resulted in nothing, no even pp. I had to kill him cause I accidently handed him a white throne instead of a cod card. They need to change the looks cause I got a heart attack when I did that.

Mischief Board 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20010906170549/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessage?topicID=26.to pic)

So puppets drop thrones.
Section 4 of AiW including last set of Halflings, Gronk, Grink, and 22.
Eightsix.

Basically, in AiW each size has a 22 (Invis NPC), Brenn/Grenn (Halflings), Glonk (Gorilla), Grink (Rat). They should all be able to drop the same quality of cards. Bolded being the best type that size can drop.

Size 1 (Smallest) = Squire drops
Size 2 = Knight+Squire drops
Size 3 = Crown+Knight+Squire drops
Size 4 (Largest) = Throne+Crown+Knight+Squire drops

Also there's mention of double card dropping AiW mobs that is a rare occurance, Double throne being stupidly rare from what I can gather. None of the mobs can currently drop 2 cards on P99.

Throne cards. A Black and a Blue. Black came from AiW, Blue came from chest in main room.

Also the treasure chest in the main hall (whom spawns KoS Halflings once aggroed), should also drop Thrones. I don't believe he does on this server, however I have only killed him once or twice, haven't heard of anyone getting a throne from him though.

[Erati]

amazing #classicquest work here Dald

hopefully we can get a boost in card drops esp those double ones woah

[korilla]

Size 1 (Smallest) = Squire drops
Size 2 = Knight+Squire drops
Size 3 = Crown+Knight+Squire drops
Size 4 (Largest) = Throne+Crown+Knight+Squire drops

This kind of makes sense ya know?

[Colgate]

i have personally seen grink on alice 4 drop thrones, and i'm fairly certain that i've seen glonk drop a throne as well

maybe you've just been unlucky?

[Daldaen]

Must be. I've never heard of a single throne coming from big Glonk/Grink.

Nor have I heard of the main-room chest dropping one either.

Definitely haven't heard about double-drops from 22. And our drop rates are in Luclin era, not the pre November/December rates listed in the long quote. 1/7 from mobs in AiW and 1/3 off 22 sounds incredible.

[Colgate]

yeah i spent a few weeks off and on farming all of alice 4 prior to the addition of 22's loot table back at the start of velious

definitely saw a throne or two from grink, i THINK i saw a throne off of glonk once, brenn/grenn seemed to have much higher drop rates, though

[Erati]

i have personally seen grink on alice 4 drop thrones, and i'm fairly certain that i've seen glonk drop a throne as well

maybe you've just been unlucky?

Any others confirm that Glonk/Grink on Red99 dropped thrones?

I have spoken to many of the PoM inhabitants who absolutely farm this zone non-stop and no reported double card drops ever ( unless Jester ) and also never heard of a Throne from Glonk/Grink in T4.

Able to check your logs to corroborate?

[Triangle]

What a surprise, the drop rates in mischief on p99 are not good either compared to live!

That guys mentioned getting 6 thrones off a total of maybe 30 mobs. Here you are very lucky if you get 1 throne in 30 mobs.

[Daldaen]

If you read through the posts on that website, there's a very clear nerf patch in like... Mid November 2001.

In the nerf the invisible NPCs disappear (because GM Hidden), and drop rates on thrones get absolutely obliterated.

But before that point, you have guys saying thrones 1/7 Alice mobs, 1/3 22. Double thrones off 22. Getting 6 thrones out of 20-30 AiW mobs. Getting 5 Thrones in a single night at AiW. Etc.

At the point of the nerf though the Funny Money combination using Top Left WoW + Complete WoW is discovered and Peachy starts asking for 4 Funny Money's. So it's possible the nerf coincided with that discovery or more likely they were patched in at the same time, making it so that you could complete armor without melting down 2-4 thrones just to get an armor box.

[Colgate]

Any others confirm that Glonk/Grink on Red99 dropped thrones?

I have spoken to many of the PoM inhabitants who absolutely farm this zone non-stop and no reported double card drops ever ( unless Jester ) and also never heard of a Throne from Glonk/Grink in T4.

Able to check your logs to corroborate?

i'm 100% sure that one of the times that grink dropped a throne it was on Colgate

unfortunately, i clear out his logs at least once a month so it doesn't take over a minute to open the file

in the shaman alt i was also using to solo alice 4, i was only able to see in his logs thrones from brenn/grenn

i'm still not 100% on if glonk ever dropped a throne for me, 100% on grink, though

i think in around 6 weeks of off and on farming of PoM, a vast majority of the thrones i got came from brenn/grenn

i can attest that i've never seen nor heard of a mob in PoM dropping more than 1 card at a time

[syztem]

all mobs starting in A1+ summon, But if I am reading this right you are saying A1 should only drop up to knights? Same with alice 2? When knights can be farmed in large amounts by mobs with a quarter of the hp, non summoning maze mobs.

[Daldaen]

Correct.

The tiers are broken up into 4, as are the cards. The descriptions provided from those posts and from EQMac posts say that each tier has a better card drop.

@Colgate - Download GamParse. There is no reason to ever open your log file as a notepad document. Load it into GamParse and do any searching you need in there.

I have logs from live EQ over 2 gigabytes in size that I load into GamParse that has no issue loading up and searching.

[Colgate]

ah yeah, i have GamParse already, just never thought to use it to read the log file

[Daldaen]

Load it up, select new fights only so it loads instantly, and use the log search feature.

If you're looking for a looted log, just search the item. If you're curious what that item came from, search for slain messages and if the time stamps match. Or search the timestamp around those looted messages. Etc.

It's the best log searcher there is because you don't need to actually open the file to search it.

[eisley]

unfortunately, i clear out his logs at least once a month so it doesn't take over a minute to open the file


sorry for the offtopic but honestly this helped me a ton

http://download.cnet.com/Large-Text-File-Viewer/3000-2379_4-90541.html

[nilbog]

For large log files, you can use something like gsplit, to split logs into Xsize chunks. This is useful for example you have a 1gb text file, split into 50 20mb files, then have the ability to quickly 'find in files' of the directory.

[jpetrick]

Was this ever addressed in a patch?

[Daldaen]

Nope.

Thrones should be more common... See the examples from AiW comments. They should also drop from more mobs.

[jpetrick]

Bump

[jpetrick]

Will continue to bump this until I get my flowers and monk bp. Expect me to be doing thing for a long time with current drop rates.

[Erati]

Will continue to bump this until I get my flowers and monk bp. Expect me to be doing thing for a long time with current drop rates.

plus the pants - they are arguably the best pants you can get outside of AoW ones

[XDrake]

Bumping this. :)

I am a regular in the zone. I imagine the only people that have seen more time in it than me on P99 have been Svenn and Klubba.

I have yet to see Glink or Glonk in A4 drop anything higher than a crown. On Live they had a chance of dropping thrones. It appears only halflings and TwentyTwo drop them in A4. :/

Plenty of evidence of this exists and on live I saw it myself. When people couldn't get halflings they'd try for Glonk and Grink. TwentyTwo was always the least preferred, but still had folks from time to time.

[jpetrick]

I am currently 0/42 on throne drops off puppets.

Verdict:

Not classic

[Pyrocat]

Throne drops should be way more common judging from the evidence here, can we get a dev response?

[Videri]

I'm wondering if the devs actually want the drop rate to be lower, considering no further expansions are coming. Maybe they're trying to make this zone take longer to get all farmed out.

[Man0warr]

Seems to be. Same reason they won't nerf Velious dragon fear AE to classic resists - to make it harder than it was.

[XDrake]

I see from looking at the zone they worked painstakingly to recreate PoM 1.0 in all its glory. I just think the drops need tweaked for thrones and crowns as they were once more common and dropped from all of A4. All the evidence shows that.

[jpetrick]

To the top

[Erati]

To the top

no thrones yet? you have to loot each corpse expecting absolutely nothing so when you see the Throne its like scoring an epic

[jpetrick]

no thrones yet? you have to loot each corpse expecting absolutely nothing so when you see the Throne its like scoring an epic

I stopped bothering with puppet show and a4 always has some shaman at it. I am around 0/60 at puppets, stopped keeping track. I've been focusing on getting all my crowns out of the way currently.

[Colgate]

I see from looking at the zone they worked painstakingly to recreate PoM 1.0 in all its glory. I just think the drops need tweaked for thrones and crowns as they were once more common and dropped from all of A4. All the evidence shows that.

thrones DO drop from all of alice 4

[Daldaen]

Fraps, Screenshots or logs please.

No one on blue has seen Grink or Glonk drop Thrones.

[Colgate]

didn't have logs running on my work computer when i used to farm it a lot

i'm 100% certain that grink drops/dropped thrones; i specifically remember a clear where grink dropped a throne, one of the halflings dropped a throne, and the other halfling dropped a crown

pretty sure glonk can too

[Erati]

i guess R99 is better if they get proper A4 lol

[XDrake]

I'm not sure what's up, but we've never seen it. I haunt the zone an unhealthy amount... Have probably cleared A4 over 100 times at this point. Never have I seen one from Grink and Glonk.

Can we get a confirmation from staff if it even is or isn't in the drops for Grink and Glonk?

I have had Glonk and Grink drop crowns, but never a throne.

[Videri]

I found some evidence from a classic server: a post in which a guy says he's "pretty sure":

didn't have logs running on my work computer when i used to farm it a lot

i'm 100% certain that grink drops/dropped thrones; i specifically remember a clear where grink dropped a throne, one of the halflings dropped a throne, and the other halfling dropped a crown

pretty sure glonk can too

[jpetrick]

My steadfast determination will not falter.

[Inconstant]

For justice. UP.

[jpetrick]

For justice. UP.

My duo partner and I stand united in our quest to get some fucking throne drops.

[Smurn]

Thank you all for contributing to this treasure trove.

[syztem]

plssss fix! wtb multi card drops even if rare as hell, wtb more throne drops overall. killing 50 mobs for nothing sucks, then killing 3 mobs for 1 throne just whack.

[XDrake]

Bumping for great justice.

[jpetrick]

I tried puppets again.

Update me to 0/67.

Seriously this drop rate isn't classic. Fix puppets, fix alice please.

[playing4peace]

Drop rate is broken and being exploited by the few players (torpor shaman, focus necro) who can solo the a4 halflings.

forest should drop 2 squires per clearing of the mushroom men (not "maybe 1").

chessboard has dropped 1 crown and zero library cards in 20 clearings. nowhere near classic rate.

puppets have dropped 1 knight, zero crowns, and zero thrones in close to 20 clearings (might get some WoW parts if you're lucky).

A4 has yielded nothing to me so far... except a realization that torpor shaman is the class that can profiteer here (the guys camping this aren't making armor, they're selling cards for 100k each -that's 800k to make a class specific armor piece).

The drop rate is so broken that the atmosphere of the zone is starting to get green and stagnant - everyone is disheartened by the drop rate and frustrated by the greed of those who can solo-permacamp a4 halflings. This is not the PoM I remember and it is certainly not the friendly cooperative PoM advertized in the wiki. It's a festering cesspool of greed, due to a choked off drop rate.

[Colgate]

i can solo a4 on my monk

[Erati]

Druid solos A4 just fine as well

[playing4peace]

Sorry, fellas. Didn't mean to slight you. You guys are special, too. Hope you're making fat plat like the others who aren't trying to get gear from this zone.

[Daldaen]

Well let's be honest... The gear from mischief outside of BPs, Flowers, Cloak and 1 or 2 decent Armors are not worth the effort even with correct drop rates.

So once people get their BP and a few flowers they are done with anything useful in the zone.

I'd love to see PoMischief get classic with it. The Top Left / WoW combine for Funny Money, the 4 Funny Money turnin requirement, the Throne drop rate increased and on all the correct mobs.

But a lot of design choices made in Velious seemed to go for mobs that are dropping less than they should. Vulak frequently drops 2 items when he should always drop 3. Tunare drops 1-2 items when he should be dropping 3-4 soon. Yelinak only drops 1 item outside of head and talisman, he should drop 3-4 items beyond head/talisman. Etc etc.

[playing4peace]

Well let's be honest... The gear from mischief outside of BPs, Flowers, Cloak and 1 or 2 decent Armors are not worth the effort even with correct drop rates.

So once people get their BP and a few flowers they are done with anything useful in the zone.

I'd love to see PoMischief get classic with it. The Top Left / WoW combine for Funny Money, the 4 Funny Money turnin requirement, the Throne drop rate increased and on all the correct mobs.

Speaking solely as a solo (non-guilded) Necromancer, I am in PoM because it is my best chance to get epic level armors on my own... or at least I thought it was until I got there. Then, I trimmed back my wish list to those items you mentioned (flowers and class-specific robe). Now, I'm trimming it back even further... so far, in fact, that I'm not really playing there much now until they fix the broken drop rate.

I agree with the funny money thing as well. Selling dolls for 80-100k is insane. People used to GIVE THOSE AWAY FOR FREE. And anyone seriously farming in the zone often used them for the regen clicks rather than combines, they were that common. The zone, as is, is broken beyond enjoyability.

[bktroost]

I've been in PoM since a month out in Velious and never seen double drops. Farming Puppets and A4 halflings. I also regularly solo the Grink and Glonk in A4 and seen crowns drop. No such thrones.

Dald did some serious work on the research side of this. When can we get Dev's to acknowledge?

[Raev]

But a lot of design choices made in Velious seemed to go for mobs that are dropping less than they should. Vulak frequently drops 2 items when he should always drop 3. Tunare drops 1-2 items when he should be dropping 3-4 soon. Yelinak only drops 1 item outside of head and talisman, he should drop 3-4 items beyond head/talisman. Etc etc.

I don't know whether it's intentional, but it definitely feels like the content is frequently harder than it should be and very rarely easier, e.g. the First Brood's overtuned Dragon Fear.

I still like playing here <shrug>

[bktroost]

Well let's be honest... The gear from mischief outside of BPs, Flowers, Cloak and 1 or 2 decent Armors are not worth the effort even with correct drop rates.

So once people get their BP and a few flowers they are done with anything useful in the zone.

I'd love to see PoMischief get classic with it. The Top Left / WoW combine for Funny Money, the 4 Funny Money turnin requirement, the Throne drop rate increased and on all the correct mobs.

But a lot of design choices made in Velious seemed to go for mobs that are dropping less than they should. Vulak frequently drops 2 items when he should always drop 3. Tunare drops 1-2 items when he should be dropping 3-4 soon. Yelinak only drops 1 item outside of head and talisman, he should drop 3-4 items beyond head/talisman. Etc etc.

whoa, whoa, mage legs and arms are awesome.

[Archon]

I agree with the funny money thing as well. Selling dolls for 80-100k is insane. People used to GIVE THOSE AWAY FOR FREE. And anyone seriously farming in the zone often used them for the regen clicks rather than combines, they were that common. The zone, as is, is broken beyond enjoyability.

I agree, people gave the dolls away for free on live, mainly due to the funny moneys were created with Words of Wealth PLUS Words of Wealth: TOP LEFT.

Please dev's, give us a time of day on this post on if it's going to be fixed or kept the same. The zone is definitely filled with plat farmers, not working together to get armor.

[bktroost]

So any sort of acknowledgment would be fantastic.

* update in next patch*

or

* we need more proof*

or

* we recognize this but desire unclassically difficult*

It's your sand box, so I don't care what you decide. I just want to get my expectations correct.

[jpetrick]

If you think I'm letting this reach the 2nd page you would be mistaken.

[Daldaen]

I appreciate everyone else's devotion to ClassicQuest

[jpetrick]

If you think I'm letting this reach the 2nd page you would be mistaken.

[jpetrick]

If you think I'm letting this reach the 2nd page you would be mistaken.

[Daldaen]

When quoting my evidence threads, please cite the date you take a quote from and the title of the thread if you could.

Since I'm sure you won't do that:

December 2, 2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20020116130046/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessageRange?topicID= 126.topic&start=41&stop=60

Thread Title: Throne drops since patch

Well, the above post is one of the few that really gives us an idea of how rare the thrones are now. With so many people killing in PoM, the single posts "Got a throne off of such-and-such" sometimes fool us into thinking that maybe the drop rate isn't so bad.

However, 50+ hours of raid style clearing yielding one throne tells us how bad it is.

Anyone who has connections to Verant please send them the above post and see if that kind of drop rate is part of their "vision".

This is the post in response to the quote you cherry picked and provided not context for. Yes, the drop rate is accurate for Luclin Launch patch era, not for 90% of Velious. Keep in mind we are still in May of 2001. This nerf shouldn't happen until November/December 2001 which we currently have those drop rates on.

That aside all the evidence indicates big Glonk, Grink and Treasure Chests should drop thrones, before and after this nerf.

[jpetrick]

From Daldaen's own info:

"my guild on Sol Ro just made our first venture there, in the few days we were there, we cleared puppets 15+ times, AiW 10+, garden a few times, and cleared through most of the rest of the area. as well as generally explored being the PoM newbies we were, =)
in all the clearings, 1 red throne dropped in 4 days of hunting, at one point we cleared puppets 7 times in a row, clearing gorillas for library cards(which also seem to have become very rare, only 3 cards in 20+ clearings) in between spawns, and well I think we had 1 knight, 2 squires and maybe a crown in those 7 clearings of all 9 puppets.

so to sum up, 50+ hours of clearing = 1 red throne for Sol Ro"

Sounds accurate to me.

People like you just annoy me. Your evidence is flat out wrong for the era. At least fucking attempt to bring something meaningful to the discussion.

[jpetrick]

If you think I'm letting this reach the 2nd page you would be mistaken.

[Bruuce]

When quoting my evidence threads, please cite the date you take a quote from and the title of the thread if you could.

Since I'm sure you won't do that:

December 2, 2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20020116130046/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessageRange?topicID= 126.topic&start=41&stop=60

Thread Title: Throne drops since patch



This is the post in response to the quote you cherry picked and provided not context for. Yes, the drop rate is accurate for Luclin Launch patch era, not for 90% of Velious. Keep in mind we are still in May of 2001. This nerf shouldn't happen until November/December 2001 which we currently have those drop rates on.

That aside all the evidence indicates big Glonk, Grink and Treasure Chests should drop thrones, before and after this nerf.

Can confirm. Idk what PoM is like on p1999 since I dont play here but thrones in PoM1.0 dropped very regularly. Puppets were basically 50/50 and a lot could be cheesed solo. AiW4 dropped them like candy. I also played on solro but unlike the person in the guild Darkblood who posted that thing quoted above, I was actually up to date with progression during velious. I feign flopped up there sometimes but it was kept on lockdown by Paradigm who was the #1 guild on Solro. They ALL had mr flowers and the bps and shit. I was cool with their necros and one in particular, Squrt, showed me all the tricks and stuff. The zone was nerfed a week or 2 after I figured out how to get there, and once it was changed to Pom1.5 Paradigm literally abandoned the zone because of how shitty the drop rates got. It took me like 6 months to get my bp and all my flowers with the 1.5 droprates and that was w/ trading. Hopefully not more than 4 or 5 people are tryin to get flowers or bps on p1999 gl guise

[jpetrick]

Like 'Pac did it, i'm to the top with it.

[jpetrick]

When you fix this I will feel like playing again. Until then I will just bump this passive aggressively.

[jpetrick]

To the top

[jpetrick]

When you fix this I will feel like playing again. Until then I will just bump this passive aggressively.

[wwoneo]

Bump. Any chance of feedback on this post?

[Erati]

while we are on this topic - has anyone gotten Crowns etc from 86?

last 3 times Ive killed him hes not even had coin, is he itemized?

[Check12345]

Here's a 180MB log with lots of throne loots. Sorry I was a puppets person but you can derive the observed drop rates on cards pretty easy. Install Notepad++ or something similar.

Change the Style Theme to Deep Black and Choose C# for the language, its MUCH easier to read and parse.

Search for --You have looted a a Blue throne.-- and the like.

http://imgur.com/zT1dZ4v

[Check12345]

Log:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2hyH6hWe0FbMFFRNXZSckpwUFE/view

Notepad++ and Gamparse should do the trick.

[Check12345]

Log:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2hyH6hWe0FbMFFRNXZSckpwUFE/view

Notepad++ and Gamparse should do the trick.

Whoops, should have mentioned this is a log from EQMAC PoM, so basically 1.5.

[jpetrick]

^

[Erati]

according to countless testimony, the card drop rate gets nerfed significantly within the first 2 months of the zone being discovered during Velious and that is what this server is currently using for its PoM card drop rate

I doubt we will see the 'original' drop rate ever on this server bc it was nerfed so quickly

[zodium]

25 puppet shows of 8 puppets duoed since last throne drop, can confirm rate is brutal so if it shouldn't, you know, that'd be great!

[Tecmos Deception]

This thread makes me sad.

[Tecmos Deception]

This thread makes me sad.

[Hibbs]

I'm gearing up to try and make my way to PoM to start farming a couple pieces of armor and this post is disheartening! Damn.

[Pringles]

I'm gearing up to try and make my way to PoM to start farming a couple pieces of armor and this post is disheartening! Damn.

The more hands farming the more there is to go around especially among those hands. I've completed a few pieces just farming away until I hear someone in puppets got a crown etc I needed and promptly snapped it up.

Semi off topic on the whole PoM business but not straying too far I hope:

Sadly Phee I'm leary of putting a lot of stock into the 1.5 logs. In 1.0 the zone was a broken and unfinished mess. It's interesting that as soon as people started showing up in PoM the nerf hit. Those low card rates fit together with an image of a raider's vacation pad. Almost a pseudo form of alternate advancement in some ways. When you've conquered all the insane fights of the expansion having a place to quietly group away with your other raider buddies farming gear sets like no others, it begins to feel like an attempt at putting some kind of time suck for the most time committed players.

I believe there were some max hits in the logs as well that differed but there is very little proof from 1.0 to compare with and my personal opinion is when someone does a revamp there is no telling what particularities change between versions. *Cough EQMAC, every port that ever was, and on* On a whole the logs are great data it's just you cant read this reverse Rosetta Stone and make it legitimate to the project. Last time I recall this 'pragmatism' being put in place we got things like dragon faction nerfed in ToV based on live data and the WL exploit. This just all ties into how hard faction is to raise.

Considering the expansion design intent was for you to stay on your faction/s it's very easy to conceive of high faction hits during the era and then for a lessening as time goes on and guilds who couldn't quite make it then get to do all that old content like the uber guilds of an expansion or two. Just a theory but I suspect that someone was playing around with these ideas back then.



I could get into how we use Lucan era recharge prices but eh way off topic. Or the unclassic Lucan spawn time which was used as a band aid for guilds farming soulfires. Except just implementing the original designers fix would have fixed both that and avoided the years of adversarial conflict over him. Time and time again it seems those on high here would rather watch the hamsters tirelessly flail in the hamster cages than promoting a pardon my language but immoral shit design philosophy. Or......

















i did not proofread or edit this sucks to be you

[ultimatez2004]

So... this thread never even received dev acknowledgement? Just finally made it to PoM this week and extremely sad to see that it is not at all the PoM I remember. Can't even make funny money correctly :(

No wonder you rarely see anyone with PoM armor on this server. Extremely depressing and primarily seems to benefit farmers/RMT'ers while bottlenecking players who would actually like to quest their own gear.

[Weratli]

I have seen Glonk drop a white throne in A4.

[Somekid123]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RHCstms01]

Been farming a lot of POM lately. Would be nice for this to be reconsidered. The drop rate currently is fairly horrendous. Sometimes multiple days between communicated throne drops of the steady farming groups. Please make this right.