snakes and spiders

[nilbog]

I feel with as many people viewing and posting bugs.. you guys know a lot more about spider and snake poisons than I do.

I did a query for the snakes and spiders.. so we can get this straightened out.

If you know which poison these npcs should use, feel free to edit this. Some of these npcs have been set to 0%.. or belong to expansions we will never see.

snakes
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsIaXlLvw3gIdENDZ0gwRzJrdlMtOFM2Vjl2djZLS lE&hl=en

spiders
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsIaXlLvw3gIdHlWdXZWOVdMYUVPbkliUmlJNDZqU kE&hl=en

[Bannen]

Is the server down for poison fixes?

[nilbog]

No?

[Putrification]

Why is it down then? :(

[nilbog]

Its down not intentionally. We just need Rogean to restart it. It is being debugged as well, so its crash reports will make for a better experience. It has nothing to do with this thread.

Anyone wanting to discuss snakes and spiders, carry on.

[coldsilnc]

From my memory snakes and spiders from level 3-9 or 4-9 (not sure, but I think 4-9) use Weak Poison and from 10-? they use Poison.

[TheDudeAbides]

I was 75% health and was poisoned (spiderling)

Sat to regen health

Poison killed me

Discuss

P.S. There is a reason why the entrance to the DE city is strewn about with corpses more than anywhere else~

[Ektar]

I've never seen a snake out of a cage, and spiders freak me out.

That's not what you meant tho was it. heheI'msofunny.


When I was fightin them snakes n spiders I never found anything wrong with poison. and I was too lazy to cure it because the duration was so small. However, I also remember avoiding spiders just because poison was a pain. So maybe I just didn't experience it enough to notice it was messed up. but from what I hear over ooc, it seems it's not the poison that's the problem, but the amount of hp the poison takes (per tick and/or from duration I'm not sure). I hear that "weak poison" is a killer.

I suggest people just avoid snakes and spiders. Cuz hey, guys, they bite. And they got venom.

[Altaholic]

I was 75% health and was poisoned (spiderling)

Sat to regen health

Poison killed me

Discuss

P.S. There is a reason why the entrance to the DE city is strewn about with corpses more than anywhere else~

I agree: I was level 4 killing blue con spiderlings yesterday with a 7/27 weapon, bard, in full banded. One spiderling at a time was taking me down to 22-27% hp after poison ran out. I decided to stop levelling on them after 5 different spiderlings... Is there something wacky going on with spiders/poison? =\

[nilbog]

The spell data for Weak Poison is just fine. When cast, it adds 2 poison counters. 6 dmg initially, then ticking.

I think the problem is the npcs are proccing the wrong poisons. :T

[nilbog]

Is there something wacky going on with spiders/poison?

Spider and snake npcs need more data as to which poison they should use. This thread and its links are here to help correct the problem.

[Erasong]

correct me if im wrong but the main issue was level 1-2 spiderlings and snakes did not poison at all in live no?:confused: Also feeling good to help contribute other than ooc spam! woooooo me.



-Elaida

[Akim]

Ah you're definitely brave to train on those spiderlings if you aren't a pet wielding class.

My warrior got its butt stomped at lvl 3, i think it was doing 6dmg- per tick.

[nilbog]

correct me if im wrong but the main issue was level 1-2 spiderlings and snakes did not poison at all in live no?

Quite possibly. Can anyone help support this?

[Altaholic]

Spider and snake npcs need more data as to which poison they should use. This thread and its links are here to help correct the problem.

I'm not sure if this helps in any way, but I quickly googled spiderlings, found a link to Alla, and in the mob bestiary, it does not show the spiderling being capable of casting any poison.

Subsequently, I googled a cistern asp, and it displayed the appropriate known poison the mob used.

Perhaps spiderlings shouldn't be posioning at all? Unsure if the info I read is 100% accurate on Alla. Heh.


EDIT
The mob info posted reads: "The spiderlings are the non-posionous version of the spiders. They are non-agressive, but the are EXTREMELY social, and will join in if you're fighting one anywhere near them. While they can be excellent xp for the younger player, they do come in a variety of level ranges."

[Atern]

IIRC, the only spiders that proced poisons were the ones that dropped spider silk. I don't remember any spiderlings procing poison.

[Brut]

correct me if im wrong but the main issue was level 1-2 spiderlings and snakes did not poison at all in live no?:confused:
That's what I thought. A spiderling or it's relatives of the same lvl had no poison, it was just a model + loot table swap for fire beetles. The large spiders did have poisons, but not sure if even them had such lethal ones. Far as I can recall from live, only poison that actually managed to be properly threatening was the one you'd catch from rattlesnakes in EC. The poison they used was a veritable ranger-gate.

[Erasong]

I dunno. I've died to many a large spider early on trying to collect silks on live.

[zzStasis]

I know leveling an enchanter in nek the past 2 days even with some gear I couldnt live through a spider poison, regardless of HP untill lvl 5 or so, and then it was only if I was above 80% hp or so. Seems a little high, I wound up slim picking the bears/skellies/wolfs in the area, I would normally get my pet on them and med, and just couldnt beat it.

[Finawin]

Spiderlings never poisoned. The higher leveled spiders procced a poison, but definitely not spiderlings.

[nilbog]

Recently worked on.

Better?

[dali_lb]

I posted another place about this, givng my coins here too :)

The spiderlings seems to be fixed .. no more poison proc, but problem now is the amount of poison counters on each spell

I have been hunting Giant Spiders in WC, and when i get poisoned I cast cure poison ..
Now this happen:

-first cast of cure poison -> The poison debuff Icon is removed, but the poison is still active
-Second cast -> "The Poison has run it's course"

Should check the scripts involved with cure poison (and possible other cure spells).
It seems that the script either simply don't check how many counters the poison effect has and just removes the icon. at first cast.

However, I don't recall ever having to cast cure poison twice on Giant Spiders in WC on live. Higher lvl spiders or snakes, yes, but not on mobs that are max lvl 8 or so, so there's something stil rotten here :)

[dali_lb]

Or not ... just tried out a lvl 1 in GFay and got killed several times by some very poisonous Widow Hatchlings :o

[BlackBellamy]

Yup. I've been screwing around with various new chars and I've learned not to fight the spiderlings/hatchlings AT ALL. That poison is deadly to very low levels.

[nilbog]

Or not ... just tried out a lvl 1 in GFay and got killed several times by some very poisonous Widow Hatchlings :o

widow hatchlings are supposed to poison. it should be feeble poison though. fixed pending update

http://web.archive.org/web/20020214045623/www.everlore.com/bestiary/beastdetails.asp?mode=show&BID=1872

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1180