George Washington "a Prophet"

[Blitzers]

G. Washington farewell address

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

[jolanar]

Washington could probably have been King if he wanted to. Stepping down from power after 2 turns was his greatest contribution.

[Pokesan]

if only his prescience had allowed him to foresee that slavery is immoral i might give a damn about his opinion

can you imagine that?

[Pokesan]

he a stank ass woodtoothed bitch

[Goliathan]

if only his prescience had allowed him to foresee that slavery is immoral i might give a damn about his opinion

can you imagine that?

Morals change over time. I'm sure some would argue that without the aspect of slavery our country would have had a much harder time growing as quickly as it did. Is it right? No. But it was their world. There were slave owners who felt that the act was repugnant but had little other choice if they wished to survive.

Morals evolve as society does.

[Blitzers]

if only his prescience had allowed him to foresee that slavery is immoral i might give a damn about his opinion

can you imagine that?

Love this argument. The founding fathers are completely discredited because they owned slaves. Yet those who want to discredit the founding fathers are consistently spamming anti Semitic rants throughout the blogosphere including many on these forums...

These people would cry a red river of Left wing blood if you compared them to Hitler, but THEY espouse the same ideology of Hitler. Maybe you should discredit yourselves, hypocrites.

[AzzarTheGod]

*checks calendar* yes about time for me to make another "anti Semitic" post.

[iruinedyourday]

Of the nine presidents who were slaveholders, only George Washington freed all his own slaves upon his death. Washington gradually came to realize that slavery was immoral and contrary to the Revolutionary ideals of liberty and equality. In 1774 he endorsed a document, known as the Fairfax Resolves, which condemned the slave trade as “unnatural” and recommended that no more slaves be imported into the British colonies. Five years later, he approved a plan to grant slaves their freedom in exchange for service in the Continental Army.

[Pokesan]

*venerates man who owned humans as property*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps7xmW-9LXQ

[AzzarTheGod]

Of the nine presidents who were slaveholders, only George Washington freed all his own slaves upon his death. Washington gradually came to realize that slavery was immoral and contrary to the Revolutionary ideals of liberty and equality. In 1774 he endorsed a document, known as the Fairfax Resolves, which condemned the slave trade as “unnatural” and recommended that no more slaves be imported into the British colonies. Five years later, he approved a plan to grant slaves their freedom in exchange for service in the Continental Army.

Sounds like he was working within the system to enact meaningful change. Pokesan would probably preferred a ruthless dictator's approach.

Whether he owned slaves or not is moot, I don't see any other big slave countries like Italy or Greece bashing the ancient philosophers and Emperors over their ownership and continuation of slavery.

Its a fuckass thing to do to sully the founding fathers over this.

[Goliathan]

*venerates man who owned humans as property*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps7xmW-9LXQ

It's not always about a mans failings. It's about what a man does to correct his failings trough a willingness to change and see things differently. It takes a lot for a man to stand up and say "I was wrong. What I did was wrong. I can't take it back but I can be better from now on out." Don't you think?

[AzzarTheGod]

It's not always about a mans failings. It's about what a man does to correct his failings trough a willingness to change and see things differently. It takes a lot for a man to stand up and say "I was wrong. What I did was wrong. I can't take it back but I can be better from now on out." Don't you think?

I dare you to make drastic extreme statements and try to enact legislative changes in government. Hint: it doesn't work, this isn't a dictatorship.

Washington was working within the system.

[iruinedyourday]

Sounds like he was working within the system to enact meaningful change. Pokesan would probably preferred a ruthless dictator's approach.

Whether he owned slaves or not is moot, I don't see any other big slave countries like Italy or Greece bashing the ancient philosophers and Emperors over their ownership and continuation of slavery.

Its a fuckass thing to do to sully the founding fathers over this.

I'm sure I would be like Hillar--*aghem*--Washingtons a Liar! If he was running today.

[Goliathan]

I dare you to make drastic extreme statements and try to enact legislative changes in government. Hint: it doesn't work, this isn't a dictatorship.

Washington was working within the system.

Certainly not. Statements like that would be suicide. The people no longer value the honesty and difficulty of being upright about ones actions. Now it's lie and spin spin spin. Granted. He said it more with his later actions and stuff but I would never expect any politician to do that.

[AzzarTheGod]

Now it's lie and spin spin spin.

A product of usury and the Jewish debt system.

See also: Greed.

[Goliathan]

A product of usury and the Jewish debt system.

See also: Greed.


Irl pixels and phat lewts in the box of life. Just as it is. It's never enough. I feel deeply lucky to not be afflicted by the fever.

[Pokesan]

so im the only one who thinks slavery is bad??

[Daywolf]

if only his prescience had allowed him to foresee that slavery is immoral i might give a damn about his opinion

can you imagine that?
Odd, I don't recall you making a big stink about slavery other than slapping the US over it's slavery long ago. Long ago like when I mention democrat filibuster of the civil rights act and you said some thing like that was a long time ago, right?

Slavery existed long before the US, and the US was one of the first countries to end slavery, and with a lot of blood to do it. And I just find it odd you and lots of people slap down the US in such issues yet never speak of the some 40 million slaves around the world right now. Some of which:
Slavery flows into our homes, offices, and schools through many of the products we buy. Slaves harvest cocoa in West Africa, and it ends up in our chocolate. Slaves make charcoal in Brazil, which is used to run smelters that make steel for our cars. Many food products and raw materials are tainted by slavery—such as tomatoes, tuna, shrimp, cotton, diamonds, iron, sugar, and gold. http://www.freetheslaves.net/about-slavery/slavery-today/

And I'm not even touching on the modern form of slavery for the US within the prison industry (Which I've mentioned here but not in detail) of which has it's owe labor force (to take jobs away) that puts most slave labor countries to shame not only with low wage but full care and edu which you get to pay for.

And all the illegal aliens flooding into the country, for cheap wages! They are a cheap work force, much akin to slavery. The borders are 100% wide open right now with a catch and release policy. Simply because the libtards want votes, so they advocate a form of slavery in our country, and giving such people an alternative to rising up in their own country to fix the horrible problems there. And that I do big-heartedly wish they would do, as I've walked through the slums beyond the southern border, beyond the party towns constructed for tourists.

Families living in bare ply-wood houses with dirt floors, I've seen these things while doing volunteer work down there, it's horrific. And all the US does is add to the problems by it's border policy, even allowing in dangerous criminals along with them that cause us grievous harm, even murder us.

And so you don't care about Washington's opinion, rlly?!? :/

[AzzarTheGod]

no one gives 2 dicks about west Africa tbh, its 3rd world.

Brazilian slavery is the more relevant modern issue at the moment, as a member of the BRICs block.

BRICs are expected to be civilized to a 1st world standard.

[Pokesan]

:/

no i said southern democrats switched to voting for the republican party because of the civil rights act. i don't care which old man yelled about it in the senate at the time, it's irrelevant.

i don't understand the rest of your post.

[AzzarTheGod]

no i said southern democrats switched to voting for the republican party because of the civil rights act. i don't care which old man yelled about it in the senate at the time, it's irrelevant.

i don't understand the rest of your post.

lets talk about Brazil

[Swish]

George Washington was a failure of an officer in the British Army, scumbag.

[Pokesan]

George Washington was a failure of an officer in the British Army, scumbag.

amazing lols

[Pokesan]

lets talk about Brazil

why can't we ever stay on topic in off topic?

[Daywolf]

i don't understand the rest of your post.
Well I don't want to dig up the quotes, but you speak of irrelevancy of 50yrs ago but at the same time have an angle on things a century earlier used to demonize the US. And for the rest yes I doubt you understand, as most liberals are plugged into the propaganda machine of the leftists, and it all comes down to the ideology permeating from their plans within plans you have been deceived with.



no one gives 2 dicks about west Africa tbh, its 3rd world.Including you? Because some do, but sadly it's just a dead issue by most Americans. Like what they say about Americans not knowing what's actually going on in the world, it's actually pretty true. The real issue is that we don't care (not pointing at you) because we benefit from it. It's true of a lot of issues regarding slavery, illegals, prisons, corruption in general. We like to think we are above it, but in truth we live in it and we contribute to it.

With Africa, I would think this would be an issue here as well, as we have so many people here that are descendants from Africa. But even blacks cry out about this issue, pointing out that most blacks just have no concern for it. Though those same ones that cry out about slavery in Africa today also cry out about the assault on the family structure, so even more so go ignored. And not a race issue, as these things transcend the color of skin, it's everyone's problem. It's an issue of humanity.

Everyone want's to rule the world, make policy and implement change. But honestly, I see no one or no group worthy to do so. And it won't be long until we collapse under our own corruption, where "no one gives 2 dicks about" anything, and we are almost there already.

[Daywolf]

why can't we ever stay on topic in off topic?
I don't think even the OP knows what the topic is.. :o

It's Washington speaking from his research on the problems with party systems etc. It's not really prophetic. He did write prophecies though, but this isn't about that, just warnings from his view of historical accounts taken by governments of which were not mindful and lost their liberties. History is littered with it, even to the fall of the Roman Empire.

[Blitzers]

I don't think even the OP knows what the topic is.. :o

It's Washington speaking from his research on the problems with party systems etc. It's not really prophetic. He did write prophecies though, but this isn't about that, just warnings from his view of historical accounts taken by governments of which were not mindful and lost their liberties. History is littered with it, even to the fall of the Roman Empire.

You dismiss this because it refers to your Trailer Trash Trump. It's quite a warning and prophetic, son.

[Goliathan]

As an American woman who is married to another American woman. I feel people's idea about the "assault on family" to be a little dumb. A family is what works for a group of people that promotes healthy relationships between people and raises healthy non shitters.

Why do they always say that one man one woman or kids will be fucked up. I've met fucked up kids from every kind of family. People should be happy if a family is loving and good. Nothing else really matters.

The whole Judeo Christian idea of marriage and family is laughable when England and many other civilized nations used to and still do sell their daughters into marriage for power and wealth gains. The whole things a joke. "Family values" should be about the values a family holds. Love. Trust. Respect. Tolerance.

Okay that was kind of a rant.

I REGRET NOTHING!

[Daywolf]

You dismiss this because it refers to your Trailer Trash Trump. It's quite a warning and prophetic, son.
Washington talked about TRUMP?
He was prolly just prophesying that you should vote for TRUMP.

Washington for TRUMP 2016!

[Daywolf]

I REGRET NOTHING!
https://youtu.be/fm8QCUpFPrg
https://youtu.be/kGHj5R5DLsY

[Blitzers]

As an American woman who is married to another American woman. I feel people's idea about the "assault on family" to be a little dumb. A family is what works for a group of people that promotes healthy relationships between people and raises healthy non shitters.

Why do they always say that one man one woman or kids will be fucked up. I've met fucked up kids from every kind of family. People should be happy if a family is loving and good. Nothing else really matters.

The whole Judeo Christian idea of marriage and family is laughable when England and many other civilized nations used to and still do sell their daughters into marriage for power and wealth gains. The whole things a joke. "Family values" should be about the values a family holds. Love. Trust. Respect. Tolerance.

Okay that was kind of a rant.

I REGRET NOTHING!

Girl on girl action can we get some pics?

Personally I don't care if you get married. My position is neither the state or the Feds should be involved it's an establishment of "ALL" religion over those non religious. Thousands of years before governments existed marriage was a religious ceremony for the government to be involved is a 1st amendment breach, doesn't matter gay or straight.

[Pokesan]

a wildly incorrect interpretation of the establishment clause

[Blitzers]

a wildly incorrect interpretation of the establishment clause

Application is not interpretation.

[Goliathan]

Girl on girl action can we get some pics?

Personally I don't care if you get married. My position is neither the state or the Feds should be involved it's an establishment of "ALL" religion over those non religious. Thousands of years before governments existed marriage was a religious ceremony for the government to be involved is a 1st amendment breach, doesn't matter gay or straight.

Some marriages were religious. But more often they're power plays with religious ceremony. I'm a firm believer in marriage and family. For love. For all. Not just because it allows my wife and I to share a tax return. I don't care if the ceremony is religious or based on Faries. All that matters is love. With divorce rates as high as they are? Something is broken and it's not the fault of gay marriage.

I know that we're just a convenient target to get the far right all whipped up but the denial of logic just causes all of me to recoil like nails on powdered steel. If you had religious marriage ceremonies and non? Fine. But that won't be good enough for people.

Hate reigns. Love begs not to be shot in the head in the name of love

[Blitzers]

Some marriages were religious. But more often they're power plays with religious ceremony. I'm a firm believer in marriage and family. For love. For all. Not just because it allows my wife and I to share a tax return. I don't care if the ceremony is religious or based on Faries. All that matters is love. With divorce rates as high as they are? Something is broken and it's not the fault of gay marriage.

I know that we're just a convenient target to get the far right all whipped up but the denial of logic just causes all of me to recoil like nails on powdered steel. If you had religious marriage ceremonies and non? Fine. But that won't be good enough for people.

Hate reigns. Love begs not to be shot in the head in the name of love

So the government decides the definition of marriage? Marriage has been defined by historical events. It's a religious ceremony and the government shouldn't be involved whatsoever. It's a 1st amendment breach, establishing and prohibiting because you must have a government approval (marriage license) to be married. Love doesn't matter, people marrying for love is really quite a new idea in the timeline of the world.

[Danth]

It's been said that Napoleon Bonaparte, even after his own downfall, couldn't fathom why Washington willingly stepped down.

As a tidbit, Washington was more or less murdered by his doctors. He got sick and his inept doctors bled him 5 pints of blood. Unsurprisingly the old man died. Until relatively recent times it was oftentimes safer to take your chances with illness than visit a doctor.

Daywolf: I would argue that benefiting from the status quo isn't why Americans don't care about remaining slavery in the world. Rather I think it's more of a case of "Out of sight, out of mind." People tend not to care much about things which aren't immediately apparent. Instead of going overseas, look at how badly we treat our own aged and infirm. We lock them away in nursing homes--essentially jailing them for having committed no crime except getting old--siphoning away whatever money they saved up and mistreating and neglecting them. A few thousand years of civilization isn't sufficient to fully elevate us as a species above our instinctual tendency to care mainly about ourselves and nearest tribe members.

Danth

[Pokesan]

It's a 1st amendment breach



again, that's not how the establishment clause works. knock it off.

[Goliathan]

So the government decides the definition of marriage? Marriage has been defined by historical events. It's a religious ceremony and the government shouldn't be involved whatsoever. It's a 1st amendment breach, establishing and prohibiting because you must have a government approval (marriage license) to be married. Love doesn't matter, people marrying for love is really quite a new idea in the timeline of the world.

Of course it is. The government wouldn't have to be involved if people didn't shove their version of their religion in your face. Problem is we have religious gay people who want to be married the religious way. I'd be happy with it just. Not mattering. However being denied marriage because of religion that directly cuts you off from government benefits that straight people have because of it? Not okay.

The combination of church and state in this country is nearly absolute but for a few. Love came about in the Victorian era. I just think the bulk of it is insane. The very idea that our country of diverse people from diverse culture and religion must all most abide by the Chritian way of things for marriage and our personal lives? No thanks.

I don't have any idea how to fix it. All I know is I'm worried we will suffer most of all.

[Daywolf]

Some marriages were religious. But more often they're power plays with religious ceremony.
See, this is part of the problem here. I bring up assault on the family and someone automatically thinks this is about gay marriage, from someone who is gay. And in doing so, only shows the problem with gay marriage, that when it comes to talking points it tends to trump the underlining problems with the governments war on the family.

Family as in those that are married and they have children, family. So no, you simply hijacked my comment, turned it into your own gay little rant against people you just don't like and with a chip on your shoulder. That's exactly what they are hoping you do, as a matter of activism, to bring in another group to the debate on families, and to cover the actions of those that wage war on families as they have for a generation and more aggressively so now.

And there is more to the issue, but my comment wasn't about gay marriage, but the larger issue that gay marriage proponents are ignoring and helping to cover-up by doing so, such in that second vid link where the vet outright nails it, fantastic interview. But no, we gotta turn it into some little gay marriage issue while people are suffering under this assault or war on the family.

[Goliathan]

See, this is part of the problem here. I bring up assault on the family and someone automatically thinks this is about gay marriage, from someone who is gay. And in doing so, only shows the problem with gay marriage, that when it comes to talking points it tends to trump the underlining problems with the governments war on the family.

Family as in those that are married and they have children, family. So no, you simply hijacked my comment, turned it into your own gay little rant against people you just don't like and with a chip on your shoulder. That's exactly what they are hoping you do, as a matter of activism, to bring in another group to the debate on families, and to cover the actions of those that wage war on families as they have for a generation and more aggressively so now.

And there is more to the issue, but my comment wasn't about gay marriage, but the larger issue that gay marriage proponents are ignoring and helping to cover-up by doing so, such in that second vid link where the vet outright nails it, fantastic interview. But no, we gotta turn it into some little gay marriage issue while people are suffering under this assault or war on the family.

What other war on family is there. Do you mean keeping people in poverty? Because when people say war on the American family. They absolutely usually mean because of people who don't fit the one man one woman definition.

It's not hijacking. It's directly related. As the families most under attack are families like mine. So..yeah. I don't see any group trying to dissolve the family unit of middle class Christian conservatives.

However. I do see them voting for and passing horrificly discriminatory legislation.

I'm fully willing to observe other points. I'd prefer if this kind of stuff didn't happen at all. Sadly I've never heard an argument against my kind of family that didn't boil down to the bible.

I don't want you to look at me like I'm some crazy hard left nut bag. I've just experienced enough to know what I should worry about and fear I guess.

[Pokesan]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

[iruinedyourday]

I read a biography on GW once.. it was liteartly the most most boring book I have ever read..

The book was fine, but dude he was a stoic mater of fact man who had little to no color in his personality.

prob why he was a general, but just sayin.. not very a very entertaining bloke to read about.

[Goliathan]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

That's true. Lots of money there. My wife and I are pretty poor. Especially with my medical bills lol.

[Blitzers]

again, that's not how the establishment clause works. knock it off.

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

[iruinedyourday]

See, this is part of the problem here. I bring up assault on the family and someone automatically thinks this is about gay marriage, from someone who is gay. And in doing so, only shows the problem with gay marriage, that when it comes to talking points it tends to trump the underlining problems with the governments war on the family.

Family as in those that are married and they have children, family. So no, you simply hijacked my comment, turned it into your own gay little rant against people you just don't like and with a chip on your shoulder. That's exactly what they are hoping you do, as a matter of activism, to bring in another group to the debate on families, and to cover the actions of those that wage war on families as they have for a generation and more aggressively so now.

And there is more to the issue, but my comment wasn't about gay marriage, but the larger issue that gay marriage proponents are ignoring and helping to cover-up by doing so, such in that second vid link where the vet outright nails it, fantastic interview. But no, we gotta turn it into some little gay marriage issue while people are suffering under this assault or war on the family.

oh and

http://i.imgur.com/waDRVAz.jpg

[Goliathan]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

If we require a priest to grant us government benefits. Sure. Wouldn't fly though.

[Danth]

What other war on family is there.

De facto, as opposed to media talking points? Have a few examples of the harm being done to the family fabric of this country in recent decades:

a) Decades of wage stagnation has required an increase in family working hours to make ends meet, making families with two working parents the norm and leaving parents with less time to devote to their children.

b) An explosion of drug use, particularly meth, is having a similar ruinous effect across low-income white families as crack cocaine did during the 1980's.

c) Single parent families grow ever more common. Something on the order of 70 to 80 per cent of black children are raised in single-parent homes nowadays, and the number of such children among whites is entirely too high, as well.

d) An erosion of opportunity and increase in debt load among lower- and middle-class youth forces young adults to put off moving out or even starting families until later in life. In addition to the complications involved with older first-time mothers, it likely contributes to the lack of replacement-rate births.

e) Public education is in a pathetic state in this country

But by all means let's continue ignoring the elephant(s) in the room while arguing over a minor issue that affects, by definition, at most a couple per cent of the population.


Danth

[iruinedyourday]

Im still bleeding from the war on christmas.

It feels like just yesterday my parents told me santa wasn't real and I had to set them on fire while they slept that night.

[Goliathan]

De facto, as opposed to media talking points? Have a few examples of the harm being done to the family fabric of this country in recent decades:

a) Decades of wage stagnation has required an increase in family working hours to make ends meet, making families with two working parents the norm and leaving parents with less time to devote to their children.

b) An explosion of drug use, particularly meth, is having a similar ruinous effect across low-income white families as crack cocaine did during the 1980's.

c) Single parent families grow ever more common. Something on the order of 70 to 80 per cent of black children are raised in single-parent homes nowadays, and the number of such children among whites is entirely too high, as well.

d) An erosion of opportunity and increase in debt load among lower- and middle-class youth forces young adults to put off moving out or even starting families until later in life. In addition to the complications involved with older first-time mothers, it likely contributes to the lack of replacement-rate births.

e) Public education is in a pathetic state in this country

But by all means let's continue ignoring the elephant(s) in the room while arguing over a minor issue that affects, by definition, at most a couple per cent of the population.


Danth

I agree these are all problems faced by American families. However how will it ever be seen together when all we have is people putting the target on that small percentage. If we can fix this issue. Get people to start looking beyond people's genitals. Maybe they'll see the rest?

[Pokesan]

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

it's about not establishing a state religion you boner. recognition is fine.

Oh my... where do I begin? You're honestly way out of your league in this discussion. Please do some basic research and come back later, for this is clearly above your head. No offense.

[Daywolf]

What other war on family is there. Do you mean keeping people in poverty? Because when people say war on the American family. They absolutely usually mean because of people who don't fit the one man one woman definition.

It's not hijacking. It's directly related. As the families most under attack are families like mine. So..yeah. I don't see any group trying to dissolve the family unit of middle class Christian conservatives.

However. I do see them voting for and passing horrificly discriminatory legislation.

I'm fully willing to observe other points. I'd prefer if this kind of stuff didn't happen at all. Sadly I've never heard an argument against my kind of family that didn't boil down to the bible.

I don't want you to look at me like I'm some crazy hard left nut bag. I've just experienced enough to know what I should worry about and fear I guess.
See and progressing the issue, can't drop it (is that you IRYD?). Huge chip on the shoulder. A redefinition of what a family is (it's not two people married), and then totally blow over the criminal actions of the government as it destroys actual families as has been the issue long before the first gay marriage in the US.

Defining Family: a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not:
the traditional family.

When two people that are of the same gender can naturally produce offspring by way of their genetics, get back to me on the issue. m'kay?
Because otherwise it's not a traditional family and is not a family issue. However your attempt to redefine the dictionary is just another part of the problem among the progressives, and in this issue that you are forcing, as Milo Yiannopoulos said, they are just using you.

Meanwhile there are actual people suffering, widespread, even being incarcerated into the prison industry. Yes, not an issue for you, and why should it be? Doubt you even bothered with those two vids. But to speak of it gives you now ample opportunity to derail and turn it into some "gay marriage" debate, which is not related to the family, directly. Again, while actual people suffer, put into the prison industry, children growing up without fathers and becoming statistically most likely to also enter the prison industry as was said in that second vid.

[iruinedyourday]

lol @ gaywolf pretending he care about people being imprisoned wrongly.

Unless hes probably talking about those fucking retards in Oregon lmao

[Pokesan]

straight people don't automatically reproduce, daywolf. your argument is a bird.

[Blitzers]

it's about not establishing a state religion you boner. recognition is fine.

Where's the recognition of Agnostics or Atheism?

[iruinedyourday]

Defining Family: a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not:
the traditional family.



fam·i·ly
ˈfam(ə)lē/Submit
noun
1.
a group consisting of parents and children living together in a household.


Dont say shit about birthing children you closeted homo daywolf. Once again, you take your personal experience or belifes and assume everyone in america would agree that you're the smartest man in the room.

[Goliathan]

De facto, as opposed to media talking points? Have a few examples of the harm being done to the family fabric of this country in recent decades:

a) Decades of wage stagnation has required an increase in family working hours to make ends meet, making families with two working parents the norm and leaving parents with less time to devote to their children.

b) An explosion of drug use, particularly meth, is having a similar ruinous effect across low-income white families as crack cocaine did during the 1980's.

c) Single parent families grow ever more common. Something on the order of 70 to 80 per cent of black children are raised in single-parent homes nowadays, and the number of such children among whites is entirely too high, as well.

d) An erosion of opportunity and increase in debt load among lower- and middle-class youth forces young adults to put off moving out or even starting families until later in life. In addition to the complications involved with older first-time mothers, it likely contributes to the lack of replacement-rate births.

e) Public education is in a pathetic state in this country

But by all means let's continue ignoring the elephant(s) in the room while arguing over a minor issue that affects, by definition, at most a couple per cent of the population.


Danth

See and progressing the issue, can't drop it (is that you IRYD?). Huge chip on the shoulder. A redefinition of what a family is (it's not two people married), and then totally blow over the criminal actions of the government as it destroys actual families as has been the issue long before the first gay marriage in the US.

Defining Family: a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not:
the traditional family.

When two people that are of the same gender can naturally produce offspring by way of their genetics, get back to me on the issue. m'kay?
Because otherwise it's not a traditional family and is not a family issue. However your attempt to redefine the dictionary is just another part of the problem among the progressives, and in this issue that you are forcing, as Milo Yiannopoulos said, they are just using you.

Meanwhile there are actual people suffering, widespread, even being incarcerated into the prison industry. Yes, not an issue for you, and why should it be? Doubt you even bothered with those two vids. But to speak of it gives you now ample opportunity to derail and turn it into some "gay marriage" debate, which is not related to the family, directly. Again, while actual people suffer, put into the prison industry, children growing up without fathers and becoming statistically most likely to also enter the prison industry as was said in that second vid.

This whole post makes me sad. I don't have the energy to respond more to it. Day. We're a huge drain. There's too many of us as it is. We don't need to reproduce naturally. We're too busy taking care of the children that the folks who naturally reproduce don't want or care about. I'm adopted. Trust me I know about this.

As for prison. Yes. People like me are jailed in Russia and many countries. Someone else's suffering under corruption and hatred does not diminish what we deal with here. It just if anything should make it more apparent that the problem can get much much worse.

Oh also we'd love to give your straight made unwanted children better lives. Love and steady healthy family structure. But people would like to rather let them rot and see us unable to adopt.

They're all major issues. They're all important. All part of the same problem. Religious overreach and governmental overreach.

[iruinedyourday]

I am 100% confident daywofl is the type of person that thinks gays shouldn't adopt but abortion should be illegal.

[Goliathan]

I am 100% confident daywofl is the type of person that thinks gays shouldn't adopt but abortion should be illegal.

Abortion as contraception is horrid. I'm not a fan of abortion in general as adoption saved my life. Medical reasons. Rape. Incest yes. Responsibility for our actions is important. So is reproduction. Guard against it if you can't handle it. It's a powerful thing.

[iruinedyourday]

Abortion as contraception is horrid. I'm not a fan of abortion in general as adoption saved my life. Medical reasons. Rape. Incest yes. Responsibility for our actions is important. So is reproduction. Guard against it if you can't handle it. It's a powerful thing.

I dont think anyone worth reproducing would think abortion is a contraceptive.

[Goliathan]

I dont think anyone worth reproducing would think abortion is a contraceptive.


This is very true I'd wager.

[Daywolf]

Once again, you take your personal experience or belifes and assume everyone in america would agree that you're the smartest man in the room.
More informed than you, that's for sure. I already called you out as a extremest gay activist back when you joined here. so I've never really been surprised by your biased narrow baseless talking points since then. Also, Danth made an excellent and well informed post, probably better than any attempt by you, ever. Danth just used less teeth, but not a bad thing.

[Pokesan]

Where's the recognition of Agnostics or Atheism?

isn't that the default if no religion is established?

its like talking to a wall

[iruinedyourday]

oh shit my bad!

I didnt know daywolf called me out as an extremist gay activist.

[Pokesan]

More informed than you, that's for sure. I already called you out as a extremest gay activist back when you joined here. so I've never really been surprised by your biased narrow baseless talking points since then. Also, Danth made an excellent and well informed post, probably better than any attempt by you, ever. Danth just used less teeth, but not a bad thing.

just how extreme a dude are you, IRYD? you rockin ollies on that flame decaled longboard bruh?

DO YOU POUND THE DOUBLE DEW?

[Lune]

Abortion as contraception is horrid. I'm not a fan of abortion in general as adoption saved my life. Medical reasons. Rape. Incest yes. Responsibility for our actions is important. So is reproduction. Guard against it if you can't handle it. It's a powerful thing.

If you have an early-term fetus you don't want and can't care for, you have a responsibility to terminate it.

Passing it off to society or someone else is the very meaning of irresponsibility. And speaking of responsibility, are you okay with the cost being passed onto society and the government? Adoption doesn't always pan out, mothers careless or religious enough to fail at contraception often can't afford to raise a child. That means $$$$ from your pockets. How Democrat of you. Not to mention overpopulation, and all the collateral costs that come with multi-generational poverty.

[Goliathan]

Also heeeey! I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I just want people to be happy and not try to make others unhappy when it hurts no one got them to be happy.

[Goliathan]

If you have an early-term fetus you don't want and can't care for, you have a responsibility to terminate it.

Passing it off to society or someone else is the very meaning of irresponsibility. And speaking of responsibility, are you okay with the cost being passed onto society and the government? Adoption doesn't always pan out, mothers stupid or religious enough to fail at contraception often can't afford to raise a child. That means $$$$ from your pockets. How Democrat of you. Not to mention overpopulation, and all the collateral costs that come with multi-generational poverty.

There are waiting lists years long for the adoption of babies. The real problems lie with children too old to be wanted. 8+. Those children need the most help and love of all. My wife and I plan to adopt an older child when we're a bit more stable. No. Adoption doesn't always pan out. But it's better than most other options. If a woman chooses to terminate because of the reasons you listed it's her choice. It should always. Be her choice. However one would hope a lesson would be learned by going through the trauma of abortion.

The trauma will always lie on her more than anyone else.

Also yes. We're sorely overpopulated. You can again thank to an extent the book with a cross on it and the people who wield it like a spear and dehumanize women who want to terminate. Human life is sacred to a lot of people. Many countries have outlawed abortion. Our population will not be slowed by legalized and destigmatized abortion. Some cataclysmic event is the only thing that will reign us in.

Oh and white families don't adopt black or brown babies. Which is dumb. But they get judged pretty harshly if they do. I've seen it.

[iruinedyourday]

If you have an early-term fetus you don't want and can't care for, you have a responsibility to terminate it.

Passing it off to society or someone else is the very meaning of irresponsibility. And speaking of responsibility, are you okay with the cost being passed onto society and the government? Adoption doesn't always pan out, mothers careless or religious enough to fail at contraception often can't afford to raise a child. That means $$$$ from your pockets. How Democrat of you. Not to mention overpopulation, and all the collateral costs that come with multi-generational poverty.

hes not talking about that tho, hes talking about the strawman, low IQ folks like Daywolf use to argue that IF abortion = legal:Kids get abortions /not condoms.

aka fucking completely stupid fear.

its like being afraid of say idk... investing in solar energy, becuse obviously the next thing well do is build a planet sucking sun gun that destroys the solar system

http://i.imgur.com/FAiftkw.png

I mean its an obviously slippery slope guys... :rolleyes:

[Pokesan]

hes not talking about that tho, hes talking about the strawman, low IQ folks like Daywolf use to argue that IF abortion = legal:Kids get abortions /not condoms.

aka fucking completely stupid fear.

its like being afraid of say idk... investing in solar energy, becuse obviously the next thing well do is build a planet sucking sun gun that destroys the solar system

http://i.imgur.com/FAiftkw.png

I mean its an obviously slippery slope guys... :rolleyes:

you left out the incoherent tirade about some unimportant historical footnote but otherwise that's spot on Daywolf posting

[Daywolf]

This whole post makes me sad. I don't have the energy to respond more to it. Day. We're a huge drain. There's too many of us as it is. We don't need to reproduce naturally. We're too busy taking care of the children that the folks who naturally reproduce don't want or care about. I'm adopted. Trust me I know about this. It's not my intent to make you sad, it's my intent to speak of the actual issues and maybe somewhere someone will get off their duffs and honesty research issues beyond the mainstream media lies, as always.

You miss the cycle. Where do most orphans come from? This has been one of my issues, not that I'm adopted, but that volunteer work I spoke of in mexico is at an orphanage. An orphanage of children coming from extreme cases, badly abused etc.

Here in the US, orphans come mostly from the broken family, the family which is under attack. This is a cycle, and bringing in gay couples to the problem only makes the problems of the cycle even more elusive. I think even the Catholics (which I am not) got fed up with it, shut down orphan programs due to the insurgence of nontraditional family units into the problem. So rather than being forced by people to do what they can't do, they only managed to shut down these services and further degrade the problem.

And that whole population control shtick is total and absolute BS too, promoted by the elitists that simply want to exterminate humanity down to a small manageable number of something around 200mil (they say this openly now). Like Milo said, they are just using you.

As for prison. Yes. People like me are jailed in Russia and many countries. Someone else's suffering under corruption and hatred does not diminish what we deal with here. It just if anything should make it more apparent that the problem can get much much worse.
"yes" wat? I'm not in agreement with you, clearly was not my point which you seem to try to agree with with a "yes". I'm not speaking of Russia, I'm speaking of issues here in the US. Where are all the people here that are gay being thrown into prison just for being gay??

If we are going to start throwing out wild tangents, Yes, Islam is not a religion of peace, and gay people are murdered for simply being gay, and the liberals simply don't care because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Being used.

Oh also we'd love to give your straight made unwanted children better lives. Love and steady healthy family structure. But people would like to rather let them rot and see us unable to adopt. already answered. Just more BS they tricked you with so you'll be a prosperous government tool for them.

They're all major issues. They're all important. All part of the same problem. Religious overreach and governmental overreach.
More propaganda. Government is only overreaching and not simply trying to destroy? And then people of faith are the real enemy, eh? Because god forbid people of faith not move aside for the minority to rule over their lives. Only in the US where a 1% minority can contribute to the destruction of the things that have propelled civilization forward. But fortunately, it's not all of them, but then even Milo is called a homophobe (fear of humanity hah) because he recognizes the brainwashing and want's nothing of it.

Your real issue isn't that you are gay, it's that you are a liberal.

[Goliathan]

It's not my intent to make you sad, it's my intent to speak of the actual issues and maybe somewhere someone will get off their duffs and honesty research issues beyond the mainstream media lies, as always.

You miss the cycle. Where do most orphans come from? This has been one of my issues, not that I'm adopted, but that volunteer work I spoke of in mexico is at an orphanage. An orphanage of children coming from extreme cases, badly abused etc.

Here in the US, orphans come mostly from the broken family, the family which is under attack. This is a cycle, and bringing in gay couples to the problem only makes the problems of the cycle even more elusive. I think even the Catholics (which I am not) got fed up with it, shut down orphan programs due to the insurgence of nontraditional family units into the problem. So rather than being forced by people to do what they can't do, they only managed to shut down these services and further degrade the problem.

And that whole population control shtick is total and absolute BS too, promoted by the elitists that simply want to exterminate humanity down to a small manageable number of something around 200mil (they say this openly now). Like Milo said, they are just using you.


"yes" wat? I'm not in agreement with you, clearly was not my point which you seem to try to agree with with a "yes". I'm not speaking of Russia, I'm speaking of issues here in the US. Where are all the people here that are gay being thrown into prison just for being gay??

If we are going to start throwing out wild tangents, Yes, Islam is not a religion of peace, and gay people are murdered for simply being gay, and the liberals simply don't care because the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Being used.

already answered. Just more BS they tricked you with so you'll be a prosperous government tool for them.


More propaganda. Government is only overreaching and not simply trying to destroy? And then people of faith are the real enemy, eh? Because god forbid people of faith not move aside for the minority to rule over their lives. Only in the US where a 1% minority can contribute to the destruction of the things that have propelled civilization forward. But fortunately, it's not all of them, but then even Milo is called a homophobe (fear of humanity hah) because he recognizes the brainwashing and want's nothing of it.

The dark ages propelled us forward?! No way!

I really can't to the rest of this. I have to go wash my stitches.

Also no. People of faith are not the problem in general. It's the ones who seek to impose it on our political structure. You can pray to whoever you want. Just don't push it on others by trying to marry it to the entire political structure. When a politician says that he follows gods laws. He's saying the bible is more important than our laws and the constitution. It's dangerous.

So on so forth. You sure do make a lot of generalizations. Also yes I said Russia. As an example of how bad things can get. Also gays were killed and thrown in jail quite a bit not that long ago. We would like to not go back to that.

Ty.

PS my problem is that some people care way too fucking much that I'm gay and will use government to punish me for it.

[Daywolf]

its like being afraid of say idk... investing in solar energy, becuse obviously the next thing well do is build a planet sucking sun gun that destroys the solar system:IRYD always with the libtard slant. I like solar, have solar equipment (some of it almost 20yrs old - the inverters anyway), plan to buy more later this year, quite a bit of it actually. But this is equipment developed by a private company, not from a nutjob gov funded green energy scam which gets people rich while nothing is produced and whos proponents energy rape us trying to destroy all existing forms energy production.

[Blitzers]

isn't that the default if no religion is established?

its like talking to a wall

Its both prohibitive and establishing. You must do X to be recognized and the state now endorses a religious practice thus establishing benefits to those who practice X.

This is why the government shouldn't be involved whatsoever.

[Daywolf]

I'm gay
And that's all it's about for you. All your talking points are BS, purely an opinion generated my alamism, imagined and/or outright made up, and that having been made up by the elite. Hysteria. That's what the left peddles to you and you took it. Meanwhile the issues I spoke of are ignored, and my reference links un-viewed. Because, you are gay. Or so you say, and say and say, while the fact of the matter is you are just another liberal with your senseless liberal talking points based on alarmism and hysteria. There is an impasse.

[Pokesan]

And that's all it's about for you. All your talking points are BS, purely an opinion generated my alamism, imagined and/or outright made up, and that having been made up by the elite. Hysteria. That's what the left peddles to you and you took it. Meanwhile the issues I spoke of are ignored, and my reference links un-viewed. Because, you are gay. Or so you say, and say and say, while the fact of the matter is you are just another liberal with your senseless liberal talking points based on alarmism and hysteria. There is an impasse.

your links are unviewed because you are a crackpot. it has nothing to do with ideology.

[iruinedyourday]

As the days go by the more and more convinced I am daywolf lives in a parking lot below a library.

[Goliathan]

And that's all it's about for you. All your talking points are BS, purely an opinion generated my alamism, imagined and/or outright made up, and that having been made up by the elite. Hysteria. That's what the left peddles to you and you took it. Meanwhile the issues I spoke of are ignored, and my reference links un-viewed. Because, you are gay. Or so you say, and say and say, while the fact of the matter is you are just another liberal with your senseless liberal talking points based on alarmism and hysteria. There is an impasse.


Wow dude. You act like Harvey Milk never got shot or the stonewall riots. Or the legislation in NC that strips away all protections for LGBT people beyond the state level. Or the fact Georgia may lose the super bowl due to similar laws.

What's alarming is how crazy you're getting. I used to think you had some good points but you're devolving into some pretty tinfoil stuff. We have a history of discrimination. This country has a history of it. Blacks. Asians. Hispanics. Gays. Lesbians. Transgender people. Women. I mean come on we can look at the legislation! Lol. If you're not a white dude with some money you've been properly shit on by America in one way or another. That or your family has in one way or another.

If wanting discrimination to end for everyone is bad. Sorry. I'm just not going to talk with you anymore. I agreed with your points and said they were definitely problems. But so are what I said. We need to tackle all of them. Not just my side.

Is that so hard to understand?

[Daywolf]

As the days go by the more and more convinced I am daywolf lives in a parking lot below a library.
Below?!?! I have about 800 books right here in the back seat :)
...not counting all the digital ones now.


“There must be something in books, something we can’t imagine, to make a woman stay in a burning house; there must be something there. You don’t stay for nothing.”
― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

[Daywolf]

you're devolving into some pretty tinfoil stuff.
And I always make a case with good references, links, vids etc. I do look at tinfoil theories, but objectively, and mention it is when I bring them up. Some of that tinfoil turns out to not simply be tinfoil, yet still gets treated as it is even when completely shown to be true. People get something in their heads, put effort into the case, get attached to it, then go into terror and convolutions if it turns out to be not true, and continue to deny it rather than face the continued shock. This is why they try so hard to perfect brainwashing, as it can lead to a solid life of submission to a power or an ideology, and trap them there by their human nature. Another Bradbury quote:

“If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn.” ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

[Pokesan]

what drugs did you do, to make you this way?

I have many enemies to defeat

[Daywolf]

what drugs did you do, to make you this way?

I have many enemies to defeat

https://youtu.be/0n3OepDn5GU

[AzzarTheGod]

what drugs did you do, to make you this way?

I have many enemies to defeat

always impressed w/ what daywolf brings to the table

[Daywolf]

always impressed w/ what daywolf brings to the table

https://youtu.be/JcXczsp_Z2M
https://youtu.be/dYu6qhd88_M

[sOurDieSel]

Wow dude. You act like Harvey Milk never got shot or the stonewall riots. Or the legislation in NC that strips away all protections for LGBT people beyond the state level. Or the fact Georgia may lose the super bowl due to similar laws.

What's alarming is how crazy you're getting. I used to think you had some good points but you're devolving into some pretty tinfoil stuff. We have a history of discrimination. This country has a history of it. Blacks. Asians. Hispanics. Gays. Lesbians. Transgender people. Women. I mean come on we can look at the legislation! Lol. If you're not a white dude with some money you've been properly shit on by America in one way or another. That or your family has in one way or another.

If wanting discrimination to end for everyone is bad. Sorry. I'm just not going to talk with you anymore. I agreed with your points and said they were definitely problems. But so are what I said. We need to tackle all of them. Not just my side.

Is that so hard to understand?

These are not 'protections' these are laws elevating such groups above and beyond everyone else. I believe in equality under the law. When are they going to pass hatecrime laws protecting straight White men?

Please name 1 Asian, Black, Mexican, Gay or Transgendered person that signed the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.

[barrettdc1]

imo they need to bring slavery back to the us. They'd go to my job and i take the payheck in exchange i dont whip them to death. Sounds fair to me

[Goliathan]

These are not 'protections' these are laws elevating such groups above and beyond everyone else. I believe in equality under the law. When are they going to pass hatecrime laws protecting straight White men?

Please name 1 Asian, Black, Mexican, Gay or Transgendered person that signed the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.

Lol.

[Blitzers]

Wow dude. You act like Harvey Milk never got shot or the stonewall riots. Or the legislation in NC that strips away all protections for LGBT people beyond the state level. Or the fact Georgia may lose the super bowl due to similar laws.

What's alarming is how crazy you're getting. I used to think you had some good points but you're devolving into some pretty tinfoil stuff. We have a history of discrimination. This country has a history of it. Blacks. Asians. Hispanics. Gays. Lesbians. Transgender people. Women. I mean come on we can look at the legislation! Lol. If you're not a white dude with some money you've been properly shit on by America in one way or another. That or your family has in one way or another.

If wanting discrimination to end for everyone is bad. Sorry. I'm just not going to talk with you anymore. I agreed with your points and said they were definitely problems. But so are what I said. We need to tackle all of them. Not just my side.

Is that so hard to understand?

Forced equality and anti discrimination laws only create more discrimination and inequality. Nature must take its course when it comes to these issues. No government or legislative program, idea, or law is going to change the hearts of men. When "white men" were shit on by King George they separated. If your getting shit on I will fully support your Independence from the Straight White Male Power Structure oppressing you.

We need to divide this country up by race and sexual orientation and then create new governments to meet the needs of those states. Fuck this Union shit.

[Daywolf]

We need to divide this country up by race and sexual orientation and then create new governments to meet the needs of those states. Fuck this Union shit.
There aren't enough states for that. You know in red states, like I live in, we vote things in that make sense, but judges over rule the vote. We vote for the preservation of the traditional family, judges say it's unconstitutional as they lawyer it up and knock it down. We don't need nor want modern day state enforced segregation, we just need to disbar many lawyers and judges.

Or drown them.

Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78
All: God save your majesty!
Cade: I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.
Dick: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
Cade: Nay, that I mean to do.