Friends have same IP

[Darkforge]

I know and i understand how to get the IP unlocked. Its not even my IP its my friends they are in the same apartment and share the same IP addresss. They have petitioned about 2 and half weeks ago and still have not gotten it unlocked....WTS (Hugs) for an unlock for their IP :D

[bizzum]

In that same place you learned how to get an IP exemption it probably said that it can take weeks to get it done. They do it in batches. I think mine took around 3 weeks.

Paitence, young skywalker (new tag?!).

[isiah]

It has been some time since the last one I believe :(

I've been waiting three weeks, and I know people who were waiting a week or two before that :(

No sweat really, but I'd really like to drink beers and play eq with my buddies on weekend ;/

[Versus]

Amen to this. I live with 2 other ex-EQ'ers and we can't play together. I've outleveled them so much I can't even hunt with them when we DO get the exemp :(

LET US PLAY!!!!!!!!!

[fugly738]

Idk if complaining about it in server chat is the right approach but my brother and I are in the same position, although we only just put in for our exemption three days ago. People saying they've been waiting for weeks makes me a sad panda.

[Darkforge]

Im not really complaining, im just tring to sell some hugs here...come on everyone wants a hug...:eek:

[Monithias]

I too have posted or asked for an exemption...live with 2 other ex Eq'ers and posted about a week - week and a half ago. I'm not complaining at all. They did a fantastic job on this server with recreating the original feel for the game. But you would think that with more people gaining access would bring more donations to run the server. And im sure we all understand they are working on the Kunark expansion, and with hopes all goes well. I'll hold on to donating until then. I play games with friends, and enjoy it that way thats all.

[isiah]

Yeah, I'm also not complaining. Me and my friends are all happily enjoying the game, so it isn't a major issue. Like I said, I just wanna be able to hang and drink some beers while playing some EQ.

[Fourthmeal]

Everyone spam the GMs

[stonebeard22]

I'm in this same boat with me and my Wife. Really enjoying this experience so far and wish I wouldn't have to be toying around with alts waiting for her to play our mains together.

Not a complaint, but anything I could do to make it go faster I would gladly make happen. =)

[Versus]

I'd donate if my house could get IP exemptions, just saying ;/

[Mastinu]

So basically my wife can't play it with me if I got a wireless router? Her getting on the laptop connecting wirelessly and me on my computer? Kinda lame

[Reemer]

Im Reemer, and i support this thread.

[stonebeard22]

Mastinu she can, you just have to ask for an IP exception like we have done. It just takes time from what I hear, but everyone that asks for one gets one.

If we turn this thread negative I don't see them rushing to help anyone. But it's good to see their obviously getting ready to do it again on how long some people have been waiting.

[Fourthmeal]

When I IP, you IP, we IP

[stonebeard22]

That's a lot of P...

[jilena]

lol @ the freak nasty.

[rugerx]

I am also waiting for an expemption for myself and 2 nephews... I was told it can take some time for the admins to get around to them.

[jilena]

I think we should give up on this IP exemption silliness and do the dip.

[stonebeard22]

Neva! Give us IP freedom or Death! =D

[john_savage1982]

"Hey wife, can you log in and go afk to poopsock then make me dinner while I level my cleric alt for the guild"

"Sure hun"

Quite a few exemptions.....

[Asher]

So basically my wife can't play it with me if I got a wireless router? Her getting on the laptop connecting wirelessly and me on my computer? Kinda lame

You would need two seperate IP addresses from your ISP. Having two different local IP addresses will make no difference because all traffic leaving your local LAN will have the same address. Maybe your neighbour will let your wife use their Internet?

Asher

[Teensy Weensy]

I got mine in 2 days

[stonebeard22]

2 days?!?! And everyone else is saying weeks...

I see how this could be abused and glad it's in place. Just sucks having to wait to play together. But anything that's good, is worth waiting for.

[Monithias]

I've been reading a few posts, some say that if your caught AFKing while in a group with someone with the same IP as you, you could get banned? I mean i understand people can get power leveled and what not while afk and not doing their part as a group member..but how does one not get in trouble for maybe droppin a deuce or somethin? i mean, deuces are nothing to take lightly, nor can you rush them.

[Chanus]

There's a difference between being AFK for 20 minutes and being AFK all day long.

They're able to figure that out.

[john_savage1982]

I've been reading a few posts, some say that if your caught AFKing while in a group with someone with the same IP as you, you could get banned? I mean i understand people can get power leveled and what not while afk and not doing their part as a group member..but how does one not get in trouble for maybe droppin a deuce or somethin? i mean, deuces are nothing to take lightly, nor can you rush them.

This happened to two buddies of mine. One of the guys went on a beer run while the other continued to kill shit. They got banned. Apparently people think this is considered two-boxing.

[Extunarian]

If a person is leaving the house or otherwise going AFK for a significant amount of time, why not just camp and avoid all risk? Takes all of 20 seconds to log in from char select, and if you live together its not like their going to lose their spot in the group...

[stonebeard22]

It's not like it would take a rocket scientist to figure out who is cheating the system. 2 Boxing is illegal and easy to spot.

Anyways back the point of this thread, lots of us are eagerly waiting to be able to play with more friends or family members in the same household. So has anyone heard any news of when they are pushing this next batch of people through?

Think I have already out leveled my wife's druid, even just at level 10. =D

[Chanus]

They don't announce when the batches will be done.

With Kunark being Priority #1, it could be a while.

[Randy]

Ah, was waiting for one of these threads again. Wanted to make sure my exemption didn't get missed on accident. Good to know its still waiting in the queue.

[stonebeard22]

=( Let's hope not.

[stonebeard22]

How long you been waiting Randy?

[Randy]

Since New Years Day I believe. So not long but you see one of these threads all the time and I hadn't seen one in a week so I almost got a little worried. It'll happen when it happens, I'm not too concerned with it. Everyone already missed out on the Manastones and Rubicite so what's the rush...

[stonebeard22]

So you can play and level with friends / family. Other than just passing them up then having to make another character to be able to play with them. =D

And the Rush is also to not miss out on Kunark when it opens up. Or that's our Rush, well I want it to be.

[Randy]

If you're so concerned about out-leveling your family/friends, try letting them play sometimes. :p

[stonebeard22]

If you're so concerned about out-leveling your family/friends, try letting them play sometimes. :p

That's a crazy concept! But... That's so hard! :mad:

[Kassel]

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I've been reading a few posts, some say that if your caught AFKing while in a group with someone with the same IP as you, you could get banned? I mean i understand people can get power leveled and what not while afk and not doing their part as a group member..but how does one not get in trouble for maybe droppin a deuce or somethin? i mean, deuces are nothing to take lightly, nor can you rush them.

If you have been granted an IP exemption you need to understand this will change your duty of care with respect to appearing to be two boxing

This happened to two buddies of mine. One of the guys went on a beer run while the other continued to kill shit. They got banned. Apparently people think this is considered two-boxing.

One person playing for the benefit of 2 while on the same IP is in fact 2 boxing.

[isiah]

^^ what he said.

[Monithias]

Oh most def. I'm not questioning it..I just wanted to make sure that i can go afk to do somethin for maybe 5-10 mins without being hassled or banned is all..I respect the people who run this server. I know the rules quite well. Just didn't know about that particular one..I doubt my roommates who are waiting anxiously to get our IP exempted, would do such a thing..I'm just hoping to see if we can actually play a MMO that we enjoy, together. If a lil wait is all it takes..im okay with it.

[stonebeard22]

Do you guys bump your private threads at all or just let them sit? And for anyone that has had one pass is there any certain information we can provide that will make it go faster?

[Chanus]

You mean petitions? Uthgaard mentioned in a thread yesterday or the day before that it helps to bump them if it's been a while (like probably not once a day, but every week or so maybe?) without a response.

[john_savage1982]

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If you have been granted an IP exemption you need to understand this will change your duty of care with respect to appearing to be two boxing



One person playing for the benefit of 2 while on the same IP is in fact 2 boxing.

Where are the rules on this? Are you saying that if you have an IP exemption that you aren't allowed to afk? Because from what you are saying that seems to be the case. It just seems pretty ridiculous for people to have to jump through so many hoops when it's painfully obvious when people are actually two-boxing.

Further, are you saying if you aren't on the same IP and doing the exact same thing that it isn't illegal? So if 4 buddies that live next-store to each other each have their own internet and just all afk while another dude kills for the benefit of all 4 it isn't wrong?

In all reality, getting two internet connections isn't that expensive considering you can get dial-up for practically free these days. If all you are using it for is to two-box then you don't exactly need a cable or even a DSL connection.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Where are the rules on this?Oddly enough, they are located in a post by a dev called "Server Rules"

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1057

[john_savage1982]

I meant the afk-portion of the post. I think there should be a subset of rules for people with ip exemptions because what yall seem to call common sense the average person just takes as playing as normal. Only somebody who is desperately trying not to get caught (because they're offending) would try to think out exactly the things that would make them appear to be two-boxing. Otherwise they'd play as normal and you run into situations such as two guys kill together for hours then one dude says "I'm gonna get us some beer, mind watching my char while I run out.", "sure". Then the dude that stays continues to kill to get exp for him and his friend because the friend is getting beer for them both. Nowhere does it say this is sort of situation is illegal and I really don't think it's common sense that these guys would consider this as two-boxing.

I'm sure there is a pretty simple list of situations such as this that a GM can type up and send to every person requesting an IP exemption so people are well-informed of the type of behaviors that will certainty create problems. I don't believe this list is problematic or "informing the boxer" of what the GMs will look for because the boxer isn't the average player - he's so bent on not getting caught he'll think out every possible scenario and avoid it. In contrast, I don't believe the average player will think that far because if they're not boxing they feel they don't need to worry.

On a final note, if you want to sniff out boxers go to EC. The amount of afk sell-bots there are are ridiculous.

[Omnimorph]

I look at it this way, consider this server as a server that doesn't allow multiple connections from the same ip. If you do get an exemption, it's a privilege, and it's up to you to make sure it doesn't appear that you're abusing it. Because if you start making excuses (guy is getting me a beer) then everyone could have one and i'm sure we'd hear some really good excuses.

Also it's worth noting that the people who get banned for 2 boxing are the ones who probably do MOST of the time have 2 people playing from the same IP, but then there's the temptation of 2 boxing just because you can... and that's when you'll get caught.

[john_savage1982]

I look at it this way, consider this server as a server that doesn't allow multiple connections from the same ip. If you do get an exemption, it's a privilege, and it's up to you to make sure it doesn't appear that you're abusing it. Because if you start making excuses (guy is getting me a beer) then everyone could have one and i'm sure we'd hear some really good excuses.

Also it's worth noting that the people who get banned for 2 boxing are the ones who probably do MOST of the time have 2 people playing from the same IP, but then there's the temptation of 2 boxing just because you can... and that's when you'll get caught.

Okay. So it's a privilege and you must appear that you aren't abusing it. What constitutes appearing to be abusing it? Why do you assume that the "appearing" situations are obvious? I'm saying perhaps these situations should be highlighted by GMs so people know what sort of behavior can be considered two-boxing. To reiterate, highlighting these situations will not aid two-boxers because offenders will likely be the ones who are ultra-careful. Innocent people aren't going to carefully consider "suspicious" behavior. I don't think the burden should be put on innocent people to decide what behavior is wrong, which is why I suggest GM should draft a small list of things that can be construed as suspicious. They can easily copy and paste this to a person when they grant an IP exemption saying PLEASE READ . I think this would tremendously help innocent people avoid complications and is the prudent course of action to insure people don't run into unnecessary problems.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Okay. So it's a privilege and you must appear that you aren't abusing it.

If one person in a house with an IP exemption needs to afk for more than 2 minutes, you should probably stop killing xp mobs or boot the afk person from the group so he/she doesn't benefit. If one person in a house with an IP exemption needs to afk for more than 5 minutes, that person should just camp out. Also, under no circumstances, ever, should one person head to the others' keyboard to move them or loot something or control them in any way.

What I just said isn't detailed anywhere by the devs, but if I had a roommate who played and an ip exemption, those are the guidelines we'd play by. I'd also think pretty hard about never using auto-follow.

That was my "common sense" response to the rules and the dev responses I have seen over the last 11 months on this server. /shrug

[Versus]

I can see both sides of this.

As for my situation...I live in a house with 2 other players. We all are ex-EQ and I got the bright idea to try this out; it caught on. Now, 2 of us work 9-5 while the other one takes classes. I have managed to out-level simply because I've managed to get on more than them (and have had access at different locations). Now, my 9-5 room mate has had a few days off and has caught up to me. We can both now hunt in Oasis together. At this point, if/when we get the IP exemption, I am going to be super-paranoid about every little thing we do. Whether he is AFK or I am. This isn't really a problem right now at lower levels, but once we're higher it may be. Regardless, if they were to look at our tells or our general behavior, they would DEFINITELY see we are in fact different people on the same IP.

As for the flip side. I blatantly saw a high level sham/ low war 2 box-ing in Oasis yesterday. PL'ing and auto-followed.

[isiah]

Yeah, i've petitioned obvious 2boxers numerous times, but I never get even a response. I hope they investigate the reports at least.

[stonebeard22]

The only thing that would have me paranoid is the auto follow thing. My Wife has never played EQ before at all. And trust me, she followed me all the time in WoW, she will HAVE to follow me in EQ for a LONG time til she understands all the zones.

Either way I was hoping this thread would turn into woah, 1,000 views in one day and several pages and we would get a GM response to when new IP'S would open up.

Not to having everyone wanting the rules detailed exactly for something they have been doing for a year.

[Chanus]

Either way I was hoping this thread would turn into woah, 1,000 views in one day and several pages and we would get a GM response to when new IP'S would open up.

Not to having everyone wanting the rules detailed exactly for something they have been doing for a year.

Welcome to Project 1999's forums.

[stonebeard22]

Forums haven't seemed too bad yet. =D

[ajptl]

been waiting for 2 weeks...

[stonebeard22]

Day number 5 for me, and its killing me. =D

[popknot]

posted for ours on dec 16th. still no word.

[stonebeard22]

Oh noes, don't say that! Well good luck to everyone, I was really hoping to have mine by the weekend. ><

[nilbog]

posted for ours on dec 16th. still no word.

As expected, I see no petition with your name attached to it. If your exemption is posted from your friend's brother's husband's forum account, or someone else, make sure they included all the necessary information, and more importantly that they posted in the petition/exploit portion of forums with an IP exemption prefix.

In regard to bumping your exemption petitions, that doesn't help. The petitions with IP exemption prefix are sorted from oldest to newest and worked on in that order.

I've been working on these some every day for the past few days to catch up. If you have an exemption that is properly submitted, it will be addressed. If it isn't granted or declined, then I will ask for the missing, required information, and you will have to wait longer. Sorry, but Kunark takes priority. It's not that I do not love you.

Locking this, as it has turned into a census.