LF Guild for Dragons

[Isomz638]

Hey y'all, I have a level 51 DE Cleric and a level 51 Human Monk. I'm looking to join up with a guild that is doing Naggy/Vox raiding on the regular. I have other characters I'm leveling right now, but I want to keep these two around 51-52 so I can get as many dragon kills as possible before moving forward to 60.

Who is killing dragons these days?

[Fenna]

Good question! I'd love to kill those classic dragons too!

[loramin]

First, the bad news: because the classic dragons drop things that the top players/guilds on the server want (unlike on live where their loot became less significant with each expansion), historically they have been dominated by the most powerful guilds (well, technically by 4-6 of their heavily twinked level 51 alts).

But there's good news: in the past few months some of the lower guilds have politely asked the bigger guilds to share, and (I believe) they have. I'm not aware of the details (maybe someone else can chime in), but here's what I'd recommend: click search, then click advanced search. Search for Nagafen (I think Vox is too few characters) and search only in the guild forum. You should find some guilds with "yay we killed Nagafen" posts, and that will tell you who has been killing him.

[Lhancelot]

First, the bad news: because the classic dragons drop things that the top players/guilds on the server want (unlike on live where their loot became less significant with each expansion), historically they have been dominated by the most powerful guilds (well, technically by 4-6 of their heavily twinked level 51 alts).

But there's good news: in the past few months some of the lower guilds have politely asked the bigger guilds to share, and (I believe) they have. I'm not aware of the details (maybe someone else can chime in), but here's what I'd recommend: click search, then click advanced search. Search for Nagafen (I think Vox is too few characters) and search only in the guild forum. You should find some guilds with "yay we killed Nagafen" posts, and that will tell you who has been killing him.

I suppose he could also look into those top dominant guilds, and join one of them if they are regularly killing said dragons.

[paulgiamatti]

I might be a little out of touch since I've been out of the raid scene for a couple years, but I'd imagine it's still roughly the same. Unfortunately what Loramin says is correct, and sadly for two items: Lady Vox's white scales for the bard epic, and Lord Nagafen's Bladestopper for end-game encounters.

CSG kills lots of Vox, particularly through the efforts of Omni, though AG and Europa definitely play their role too - any of them would be good choices. They kill Naggy sometimes too, but definitely more Vox.

A/A kills more Naggy than Vox, but they have rigorous application standards and you probably won't be able to get into either of them until you're level 60 anyway. Also, level 53-60 characters still play a pivotal role for both encounters since the difficulty in killing Naggy and Vox on P99 is not the actual encounter itself, but rather the race to kill it first. Higher levels assist the 52 and under engage crew by helping them clear to the dragon quickly and buffing them for the fight. So you'd still be a part of that encounter - you'd still earn DKP for it as a higher level support character, even though you don't actually engage the dragon.

[Matalus]

A/A kills more Naggy than Vox, but they have rigorous application standards and you probably won't be able to get into either of them until you're level 60 anyway.

10-20% raid attedance is rigorous application standards now a days

Don't fall into the hype of people thinking the bigger/more hardcore guilds means you won't be able to play casually and have fun in them

[loramin]

I might be a little out of touch since I've been out of the raid scene for a couple years, but I'd imagine it's still roughly the same.

10-20% raid attedance is rigorous application standards now a days

I think things were a bit different "back in the day" when TMO ruled the server. Having never been a member of them or an AA guild I'm certainly no expert, but from talking to people it sounds like the AA guilds are much less demanding than TMO used to be. Maybe it's a function of a single guild not monopolizing things? Again, I'm no expert.

But I don't think paulgiamatti was saying 10-20% attendance is too rigorous, I think he's just wrong about "it's still roughly the same" ... which, quite frankly, is a really great thing to be wrong about, as it shows that things have improved here in the time he's been gone.

[Expediency]

10-20% raid attedance is rigorous application standards now a days

Don't fall into the hype of people thinking the bigger/more hardcore guilds means you won't be able to play casually and have fun in them

Can you confirm that either a/a will accept a level 51 main? Paulg post looked spot on to me.

Also curious if someone can confirm the "10-20%" figure that you were alluding to. In the past those figures were much higher

[loramin]

Also curious if someone can confirm the "10-20%" figure that you were alluding to. In the past those figures were much higher

Can't quite, but it matches what I've heard from Awakened members, and their guild thread kinda says it:


Benefits of joining <Awakened>:
• Casual members are more than welcome. Maintaining a certain raid attendance (after your application period) is not required to stay in the guild. Raid as much (or little) as you are able to!

Also, as far as "accept[ing] a level 51 main" it looks like you need to be 55 unless they make an exception for you:


Requirements for applying to <Awakened>:
• Level 55+ **


I tried to find Aftermath's requirements, but they don't make them easy to find like Awakened so I gave up. But in any case, I think it's safe to say that you no longer have to be a TMO-level neckbeard to see top content on this server (/cheer).

[Nuggie]

In my biased opinion, if you want the easy route you join awakened. If you want a slightly more uphill battle you join aftermath. If you want a more significant uphill struggle you join a CSG (Azure Guard for USA PM hours, or Europa or Omni for USA AM hours). If you think you are highly skilled in the EQ ways and are competent at your class you can also apply to Rustle, they like trying things in a "more with less" attitude.

If you work a wierd schedule you can join Infernus for their midnight-6am Asia primetime hours play.

Bottom line is whatever you choose you are going to find a lot of the same, because every guild plays in the same sandbox.

[paulgiamatti]

The fact of the matter is any CSG guild would take him in after a short trial membership as he is now, with nothing else. There's simply no way he currently meets the standards for A/A, and getting to the point where you can pass the spot check isn't easy. In CSG you'd at least see Naggy and Vox occasionally, because the alliance actively goes after those targets. For A/A you'd have to meet a minimum raid attendance requirement and save up tens of thousands in platinum just to be able to become a recruit.

To become a recruit, you must possess: Reaper, WC Cap, Midnight Mallet, 2 Wort Potions, OT Hammer, 1 Greater Null Potion, Ability to Shrink (Pot or spell), Ability to Levitate, 2 Invis Rings, Instant Click Buff Item (Usable Indoors and Out), and atleast 150 Magic Resistance on your Main Character.

[raato]

Europa actually has one member who wanted to see vanilla dragons before leveling past them. He joined us around level 40 and started preparking for Naggy/vox at level 46, before he hit 52 he had killed both Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox.

This is his "Thank you Europa" post on our forums after he passed this landmark:

So yesterday it finally happened, i finished one of my big EQ goals. My big goal was to kill Nagafen and Lady Vox, it had been my big goal, since i was a child. And the goal came back the instant i saw the p1999 emu!

http://i.imgur.com/psKkmkk.png

http://i.imgur.com/bevqKVI.png

Thanks everybody and merry christmas! Im looking forward to downing new goals with all of you in the future (Epics epics epics) !

[Spyder73]

Sadly, unless you join a big guild and have your character parked in SolB pretty much 100% of the time, you will not ever see Naggy. His life expectancy on the server is probably about 10 minutes from him spawning until his death...including fight time...

The reasons are fairly obvious - he drops sellable loot unlike most dragons.

Blade stoppers - 400k
Cloak of Flames - 80k
Selo's Drums - 20k
Prayers of Life - 15k
Weight reduction bags - 5k-10k
Red Dragon Scales - 7k-10k
Guantlets of Fiery Might - 5k
Orb of Tishan - 3k

[paulgiamatti]

They can both go untouched for hours during overnight/Euro daytime hours. Just depends on how flexible your schedule is, how much sleep you're willing to lose, how much of a neckbeard you want to be, etc.

[Maner]

They can both go untouched for hours during overnight/Euro daytime hours. Just depends on how flexible your schedule is, how much sleep you're willing to lose, how much of a neckbeard you want to be, etc.

When was the last time naggy or vox was up for hours?

The fact of the matter is any CSG guild would take him in after a short trial membership as he is now, with nothing else. There's simply no way he currently meets the standards for A/A, and getting to the point where you can pass the spot check isn't easy. In CSG you'd at least see Naggy and Vox occasionally, because the alliance actively goes after those targets. For A/A you'd have to meet a minimum raid attendance requirement and save up tens of thousands in platinum just to be able to become a recruit.

If you just wanted to kill the dragons you don't have to meet any attendance requirement or have any of that gear. At lvl 52 you can't even be voted for full member so you don't need to meet the requirements to make full member.

That aside I just bought all the MR gear and consumables for my newest lvl 60 and didn't even spend 10k on everything. Most of the items are also easily farmable when you are at the level to need them.

[teija]

When was the last time naggy or vox was up for hours?


Considering Infernus is the only guild allowed to camp their entire raid force directly outside naggy or voxs lair while all other guilds have to start from entrance, they do not stay up long.

Does this mean we could of camped a raid force out on poop mountian for trak and outside naggy/vox lair for all these years? No...Special guilds get special treatment, A/A would get 10-day'd for doing this.

[Matalus]

For A/A you'd have to meet a minimum raid attendance requirement and save up tens of thousands in platinum just to be able to become a recruit.

Untrue but you can keep saying, to each there own. Seen plenty of recruits who don't obtain all the items we ask(and most people will help obtain those items), and we only ask them to not go to certain raids where it would obviously play a factor in wiping the raid(that's like 2-3 raids mobs at most?). Should he be higher lvl? Sure probally, but don't spread false lies as to why you can't play in a more hardcore guild "casually" Confirm I have a 9-5 job, with children and I don't wake up for most 3am raids and I have gotten plenty of loot. Don't fall for it

[paulgiamatti]

Holy wow, whole bunch of A/A neckbeards angry as hell up in this thread. How's that casual life treatin ya?

[Maner]

Holy wow, whole bunch of A/A neckbeards angry as hell up in this thread. How's that casual life treatin ya?

Personally its going great. I am finishing buying a house, entering escrow this week, work 40+ hours a week, and have a family. I also raid maybe a total of 2-3 hours per week right now and still maintain over 20% raid attendance.

The misconception you have about having to be a hardcore neckbeard when in A/A is just that, a misconception. Most likely a result of you making uninformed assumptions based off of what people, in whatever guild you're in, tell you. When you try and extrapolate an emotional response from a message board, clearly you're the one who is upset.

[paulgiamatti]

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