Sky OoA / Noble spawn clarification request

[Silverwolf23]

Hello sky goers,

I was hoping for some better clarification on the OoA and noble spawn mechanics. There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information.

After much browsing I have come to understand that the noble has a 7 day and a 3 day spawn. Both 7 day and 3 day can be going at the same time.

However I do not understand how to get the 3 day noble spawn cycle going.

1) The 7day noble pops on a (supposedly) static 7day timer
?) Does the 7 day timer start on pop or death?
?) Does the 7 day timer have a variance?

2) Upon the death of the 7 day noble an overseer of air spawns.

3) Supposedly the Overseer of Air does not depop according to wiki.
?) I don't understand why the above is true since I have personally witnessed the OoA depop right before the 7day noble pops.

4) Supposedly the 3 day noble timer starts if the noble is killed while OoA is up.
?) How does this work if the OoA depops right before 7 day noble repops?

5) Also supposedly the OoA can repop if noble is left up for a few days.
?) I have never witnessed this nor have I seen noble alive for more than 12 hours. Can anyone confirm?

6) According to some 2006 guides from live there can be at most 4 OoA which can result in multiple 3 day noble cycles allowing a noble pop 5 to 7 times in a week and sometimes up to 3 times in a 24 hr period. (Cannot confirm true for p99)

Please, PLEASE, provide some insight into this confusing spawn cycle.

And will someone please update the wiki with correct spawn timer info. (Multiple items for sky in the p99 wiki are missing or merely speculation)

Thank you to those who provide helpful information.

[Meep]

Reminds me of people wanting scout timers. The lack of information or vagueness that follows based on personal gain.

[Silverwolf23]

Basically I'm trying to understand the logistics of leaving OoA up to get more nobles opposed to killing OoA in order to get hand of veeshan to pop.

There has been talk by a few guilds for grief killing OoA due to the whole fight for noble.

I am NOT asking for what time it pops. I simply want to correctly understand the 7/3 day pop mechanics so I can stop guessing or following false or rumored info.

[darkreap]

From the way it was explained to me (and I may be wrong), there is a 7 day timer on the Noble. Once the noble is killed an OoA will spawn. If the OoA is left up there will be a 3 day Noble spawn. When this is killed there will another OoA that will spawn. If this one (both?) is left up, another Noble will spawn 3 days later. This will then reset once the 7 day timer is complete, all will despawn and the 7 day Noble will spawn again and the cycle is repeated. If all the nobles are killed the same day they spawn and all the OoAs are left up there would be 3 noble spawns in a week. Again, this is how I understand it and I could be off on the details.

[Silverwolf23]

Thank you darkreap. That is mostly what is provided in the guides/wiki/advice from others. The exception to what you stated is the guides/wiki/others state the 3 day noble timer starts whenever a noble dies WHILE an OoA is up > this is where the conflict of information really plays out.

If what darkreap states is true, how do guilds get away with killing OoA to pop hand of veeshan without messing up noble? At one point over the past few months I saw 4 OoA up for several weeks. ( I regularly check sky so my guild can avoid conflicts of interest )

Sadly I have a real life and cannot watch other guilds in sky 24/7

[xKoopa]

darkreap is at least close to right, but the cycle doesnt reset until a server reset or something like that if ooa's are left up. If you leave ooa's alone you just keep getting more and more nobles. I remember a time when there were multiple nobles a day and it rained efreeti loot until server reset

The mechanics are pretty wonky though, and I can't remember all the details of it anymore :/

[Maliant]

If people stopped killing OoA we would have infinite nobles. But for some reason OoA has been killed non-stop last several months. This is why we cannot have nice things.

[Savok]

If people stopped killing OoA we would have infinite nobles. But for some reason OoA has been killed non-stop last several months. This is why we cannot have nice things.

It was probably that selfish AG guild that does it.

[pogs4ever]

so if you assume that every OoA is left up and each noble is basically insta killed, that would mean that you could have up to 4 nobles spawning roughly around the same time every 3 days?

Or in other words a 3 day noble is killed at x:01 causing an OoA to pop, in 3 days time you'd see two nobles at essentially x:01?

[fadetree]

And will someone please update the wiki with correct spawn timer info. (Multiple items for sky in the p99 wiki are missing or merely speculation)

Thank you to those who provide helpful information.

Not trying to be irritating, but I'll point out that anyone can update the Wiki.

[Samoht]

If people stopped killing OoA we would have infinite nobles. But for some reason OoA has been killed non-stop last several months. This is why we cannot have nice things.

By "we" are you implying that you're a member of Rustle? Because common guilds would be better served to kill the OoAs and the HoVs for two chances at noble loot. If they don't, Rustle will port up on their days and clear island one leaving them with no noble loot and forcing them to buy keys.

[Spyder73]

From the way it was explained to me (and I may be wrong), there is a 7 day timer on the Noble. Once the noble is killed an OoA will spawn. If the OoA is left up there will be a 3 day Noble spawn. When this is killed there will another OoA that will spawn. If this one (both?) is left up, another Noble will spawn 3 days later. This will then reset once the 7 day timer is complete, all will despawn and the 7 day Noble will spawn again and the cycle is repeated. If all the nobles are killed the same day they spawn and all the OoAs are left up there would be 3 noble spawns in a week. Again, this is how I understand it and I could be off on the details.

When I was doing Sky the Noble was camped by like 100 people at a time and him living longer than 15 seconds would have been an absolutely CRAZY thought. If you could get the neckbeards in Sky to work together now you could theoretically get it where the nobles are all popping one after another I think. You could have like 4 Nobles pop within a half hour if you timed it right

However - "This is why we cant have nice things" comes to mind immediately.

[Pokesan]

wasnt AG gaming the OoA=more nobles thing for years by claiming the sky day that nobles would always pop on?

[Spyder73]

wasnt AG gaming the OoA=more nobles thing for years by claiming the sky day that nobles would always pop on?

Maybe AG but pretty sure that was Asgard... But realistically it didn't matter because like I said - noble had about a 15 second life span for the last 5 years and was contested by virtually every guild on the server.

[Jimjam]

Maybe AG but pretty sure that was Asgard... But realistically it didn't matter because like I said - noble had about a 15 second life span for the last 5 years and was contested by virtually every guild on the server.

Velious will fix it.

[Maliant]

By "we" are you implying that you're a member of Rustle? Because common guilds would be better served to kill the OoAs and the HoVs for two chances at noble loot. If they don't, Rustle will port up on their days and clear island one leaving them with no noble loot and forcing them to buy keys.

No, I'm not in Rustle. Do you even play on P99 anymore? Before you trolled the newer sky guilds into believing that it was in their best interest to kill OOA's there used to be YNYD (your noble your day). There was a noble spawning every single day. I don't believe any CSG guild (AG, Europa, Omni) have EVER killed an OOA. I can't speak for Rustle but I think they also avoid killing OoA. Most of the veteran sky guilds know how horrendous this is.

Can anyone confirm what guilds have been killing the OoA nonstop?

[Convict]

Velious will fix it.
+1 I remember this shite

"Kunark will fix the raid scene by introducing more raid targets"....
"Velious will fix the raid scene by introducing more raid targets"...

In velious now, and pre-kunark raid bosses still die in minutes to the same guilds clearing ntov

[maskedmelonpai]

i think it that one dark elf mercenary guild.

[vorpal_raddish]

wasnt AG gaming the OoA=more nobles thing for years by claiming the sky day that nobles would always pop on?

Uh what? I've seen like 2 nobles pop ever on our sky day in the last 2 years.

[Savok]

Looks like all those Nobles pop only on Tuesdays then.

[Samoht]

Maliant,

I took the liberty of removing the trolling and personal attacks from your post and just want to reply to the substance:

there used to be YNYD (your noble your day). There was a noble spawning every single day.

If you think the answer is a YDYN agreement, then get the buy-in of all active sky raiding guilds, including the guilds that just go up to snipe nobles (A/A), and I will support it. Otherwise, it's just a pipe dream with no place on this server.

If you wish to have any credibility in further posts, I would leave the logical fallacies at home.

Good luck with both tasks.

[Keary]

Rustle will port up on their days and clear island one leaving them with no noble loot and forcing them to buy keys.

Rustle clears island one? My available funds say otherwise...

[Samoht]

Rustle clears island one? My available funds say otherwise...

They've been caught red-handed more than once.

[Fasttimes]

They've been caught red-handed more than once.

I hope we actually do so you can keep berging out. Kill them all I say

[Fasttimes]

I keep a char camped on isle 1 with 1000 gold just for these threads.

Thank you

[Freakish]

Cecily is the one in charge of isle 1 for Rustle. Complain in game and she will take care of any concerns including reimbursement for having to buy keys.

[Khaall Drogo]

It sure has been awfully quiet on our Thursday night Sky raids since we stared killing every OOA... Plus we have been able to engage and kill the Noble almost every single time since then. Has worked well for us so far.

[Samoht]

I hope we actually do so you can keep berging out. Kill them all I say

Get rustled.

[Fasttimes]

Get rustled.

Don't think you understand meaning. Tell us more about isle 1

[Silverwolf23]

Thank you to those that provided constructive replies. To the rest of you, this post was not about blame. Get your attitudes fixed.

Up until this recent server reset noble was popping on thursdays while a single OoA was up. OoA depoped right before noble poped. A new OoA would pop upon noble death. I know veloci and second sons and novae only started killing OoA to stop the sniping of islands by groups / guilds on their off cycle day. I've seen the afore mentioned 3 guilds get screwed out of their thursday sky days multiple times specifically due to someone clearing 1 or more islands when it was not their turn. 3 weeks in a row someone had killed only the island 1 and 3 boss on their off days... this ofcorse resulted in no sky raid due to the nonsense of isand hopping without keys.

Also paradox has specifically been killing OoA to do the hov mob.

HOWEVER; I still do not see a confirmed spawn mechanic to get more noble pops outside of a server reset. If I understand all this correctly, the 3 day noble can only result from OoA repop due to server repop without timer reset.

[Khaall Drogo]

Hello sky goers,

I was hoping for some better clarification on the OoA and noble spawn mechanics. There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information.

After much browsing I have come to understand that the noble has a 7 day and a 3 day spawn. Both 7 day and 3 day can be going at the same time.

However I do not understand how to get the 3 day noble spawn cycle going.

1) The 7day noble pops on a (supposedly) static 7day timer
?) Does the 7 day timer start on pop or death?
?) Does the 7 day timer have a variance?

2) Upon the death of the 7 day noble an overseer of air spawns.

3) Supposedly the Overseer of Air does not depop according to wiki.
?) I don't understand why the above is true since I have personally witnessed the OoA depop right before the 7day noble pops.

4) Supposedly the 3 day noble timer starts if the noble is killed while OoA is up.
?) How does this work if the OoA depops right before 7 day noble repops?

5) Also supposedly the OoA can repop if noble is left up for a few days.
?) I have never witnessed this nor have I seen noble alive for more than 12 hours. Can anyone confirm?

6) According to some 2006 guides from live there can be at most 4 OoA which can result in multiple 3 day noble cycles allowing a noble pop 5 to 7 times in a week and sometimes up to 3 times in a 24 hr period. (Cannot confirm true for p99)

Please, PLEASE, provide some insight into this confusing spawn cycle.

And will someone please update the wiki with correct spawn timer info. (Multiple items for sky in the p99 wiki are missing or merely speculation)

Thank you to those who provide helpful information.

1) True.
Pop
Yes about 20 minutes or so from what I can tell.

2)Yup
3) He does Depop as the Noble is spawned.
4) More or less
5) Doubt he is left up
6) Yes there can be a total of 4 OOA up at one time... One spawning a 7 day and 3 spawning a 3 day. Therefore technically there can be 2 Noble Spawn on the same day. I have personally Seen 2 nobles spawn (the 7 day one, and a 3 day one) on our Thursday night slot.

For now there will be no 3 day Noble spawns any time soon.

[Samoht]

Don't think you understand meaning. Tell us more about isle 1

Cry more about how you're not getting any more nobles.

[Maliant]

Hey Samoht did I find you in game finally? Level 49 SK named Trozzle from Kittens Who Say Meow has been despawning princess everyday. Do you just log in and despawn princess and then come on the forums and blame it on AG and Rustle? Seems like something you would do.

[KENAK]

Do spiders even carry coins?

[Maliant]

I keep a char camped on isle 1 with 1000 gold just for these threads.

Thanks for making me spend 4k to help people buy keys for our raid. How many other sky raids have you disrupted? Petition put in, I hope the GMs do not tolerate this.

[Expediency]

The despawns may be a blessing in disguise. Buying 5k worth of keys increases the barrier to entry to killing noble. A/a/rustle/csg can more easily pay these costs. We had zero competition for the last noble we killed and it was leisurely. As a bonus a troll may get banned.

[maskedmelonpai]

I keep a char camped on isle 1 with 1000 gold just for these threads.

i dunno i understand. I not do much sky. what you implying here?

[Expediency]

i dunno i understand. I not do much sky. what you implying here?

Evidently is it possible to camp a char out in sky and wait for an island 1 mob to spawn; then when it spawns give said mob a trivial amount of gold to despawn. This forces everyone who wants to do any sky content to wait for the mob to respawn or buy 525pp key. Its a cheap way to grief people. We witnessed a kittens tagged player do it recently.

Sky is wild west right now; if gms rule that this tactic is legit i would assume a/a/csg/rustle will eventually return the favor.

[maskedmelonpai]

Evidently is it possible to camp a char out in sky and wait for an island 1 mob to spawn; then when it spawns give said mob a trivial amount of gold to despawn. This forces everyone who wants to do any sky content to wait for the mob to respawn or buy 525pp key. Its a cheap way to grief people. We witnessed a kittens tagged player do it recently.

Sky is wild west right now; if gms rule that this tactic is legit i would assume a/a/csg/rustle will eventually return the favor.

oh, interesting. it a mechanic, or a bug? liek, once it get the gold, do the mob liek say, "thank you, I gonna be off now," or do it ask beforehand or something? or does it just poof? i would think if it a bug, it not gonna be allowed.

[Expediency]

oh, interesting. it a mechanic, or a bug? liek, once it get the gold, do the mob liek say, "thank you, I gonna be off now," or do it ask beforehand or something? or does it just poof? i would think if it a bug, it not gonna be allowed.

I do not believe it is a bug it looks like a legit mechanic that is being used to grief people. Have the gms ruled om this in the past? If yes can someone please link to it? If this is legal a handful of unguilded people could force every sky raid to buy keys

[maskedmelonpai]

I do not believe it is a bug it looks like a legit mechanic that is being used to grief people. Have the gms ruled om this in the past? If yes can someone please link to it? If this is legal a handful of unguilded people could force every sky raid to buy keys

ohh, now that make it more interesting. i suppose the upside is it wold drain some plat outta the economy, but it seem liek a solid way of preventing less established/well-funded guilds from progressing in sky if they wanna continue killing ooa and not allow nobles to pop liek they were. sound to me liek a retaliatiatory act aimed at whoever killing the ooas. or i guess it could be the same group doing both.

[Maliant]

Necro epic quest involves giving princess 10g which despawns her for full 8 hours and spawns gkzallk on island 3. Only legit reason to do this is if you are doing epic necro quest. When I did mine I looked up the wiki sheet for active sky raiding guilds and made sure I wasn't disrupting a guilds day because it's really a PITA. This dude is doing it intentionally just to grief people, this obviously goes against play nice policy. I spoke with Kittens leadership and they are obviously against this as anyone should. This person should be permanently banned. GM can I get your opinion in this thread? This is the scummiest behavior I have seen on P99 and I have seen some pretty bad behavior. This is nothing but trolling.

[Jimjam]

It's such a delightful part of that quest! You talk to the fairy and she says how nice this guy is and how they love to have tea with him. She asks for a little bus money to make sure he is at home for you.

Off she goes, and when you get to his house he is there and invites you in for a cup of tea. Then you trap him in a book like the evil necromancer you are!

Can we confirm this kitten is indeed a griefer and not a teabelly making friends with NPCs in sky :rolleyes:?

[Samoht]

When I did mine I looked up the wiki sheet for active sky raiding guilds and made sure I wasn't disrupting a guilds day

So you're saying that you DO know how to use the wiki to check to see when a guild has sky assigned for a specific night. Man, you guys really need to stop posting in these threads because you make yourselves look worse every time you do.

[maskedmelonpai]

It's such a delightful part of that quest! You talk to the fairy and she says how nice this guy is and how they love to have tea with him. She asks for a little bus money to make sure he is at home for you.

Off she goes, and when you get to his house he is there and invites you in for a cup of tea. Then you trap him in a book like the evil necromancer you are!

Can we confirm this kitten is indeed a griefer and not a teabelly making friends with NPCs in sky :rolleyes:?

wait, you sayin with this quest you getta make friends with and have tea wth faeries!? why you wanna trap them in a book though? :c that just sound mean.

[Expediency]

Can we confirm this kitten is indeed a griefer and not a teabelly making friends with NPCs in sky :rolleyes:?

We have reached out to the appropriate officers. Kittens are good people with a good reputation and i am sure this is just one bad apple.

[Savok]

Woolyspider/Trozzle guilty as charged. Grats Rustle member just griefing for the sake of griefing. Some of you guys are cool, some of you just need a new hobby.

[Fasttimes]

Please forward this to officer cecily. It will get taken care of swiftly. This travesty will not be tolerated.

[Silverwolf23]

Screenshot or log ? Someone did the necro epic turn in again today. Princess only mob down with grizz up as of 3pm cst.

This is bout as bad as parking mobs at a zone in to block zone but not as easily caught

[Savok]

Sorry if your raiding Sky tonight, bring pp to buy keys.

[Maliant]

You can thank Woolyspider of <Rustle>. Kittens kicked his alt Trozzle that is the one doing this. I am surprised Rustle wants the liability, hopefully they just suspend his account and don't punish all of Rustle for one turd's actions.

[Fasttimes]

Rustle will not stand for such grevious actions. Hopefully xudoz takes care of this. If you have ss or logs please send to him.

[maskedmelonpai]

You can thank Woolyspider of <Rustle>. Kittens kicked his alt Trozzle that is the one doing this. I am surprised Rustle wants the liability, hopefully they just suspend his account and don't punish all of Rustle for one turd's actions.

woolyspider is actually a fantastic spider. maybe YOUR a turd. ever think about that?

[Ravager]

woolyspider is actually a fantastic spider. maybe YOUR a turd. ever think about that?

It is pretty good at blocking Serra Angel.

[Lhancelot]

woolyspider is actually a fantastic spider. maybe YOUR a turd. ever think about that?

Such words, MM! Never seen this dark side of you before! You implied someone is a TURD!!! Words escape me..

[vorpal_raddish]

It is pretty good at blocking Serra Angel.

underrated post.

[Sadiki]

This guy Magics.

[xKoopa]

Why not just corpse keys if you know this is an issue? Tell people theyre responsible for their own keys and if they let em rot, they risk having to buy their own

[Spyder73]

Why not just corpse keys

because then they couldn't berg out on the forums about how unfair life is

[Zemus]

Rustle will not stand for such grevious actions. Hopefully xudoz takes care of this. If you have ss or logs please send to him.

Yes! Xudoz will take care of all your problems!

[Puluin]

I love how the OP was a request for information on game mechanis and how quickly this turned into speculation and bitching. No one has provided a shred of evidence on anything and you all just continue on like this was some rant/flame.

Good job p99 people. *slow clap*

[Puluin]

Well since people want to complain about something;

http://i.imgur.com/yu4XjTR.png

Above is screenshot evidence of Gkzz being up as of 8:30am PST. Someone is still popping this guy just out of spite even in the early AM hours.....

[Puluin]

In other news: Caught this AG guy logging in and FD on top of noble spawn.

http://i.imgur.com/wKAqzAz.png

[Savok]

In other news: Caught this AG guy logging in and FD on top of noble spawn.

http://i.imgur.com/wKAqzAz.png

Oh no! someone was in the zone just like you were.

[rebeccablack]

im not sure how you can see anything with that ui

[Puluin]

Easy. I'm used to classic. I even shove a fake book in my face while medding!

[Maliant]

Dude Puluin I already told you who is de-popping princess but you seem to have a stick up your butt about AG. You said it's no worse than killing OoA and in fact this person is either doing it to retaliate against you guys killing OOA's or just to troll. I personally don't agree and think it's a totally different ballpark than killing OoA as it is exploiting a mechanic just to disrupt and grief people. At this point I'm happy this person is doing it because it has prevented OOA's from being killed and I guess the GM's don't mind this person is doing it either so have at it.

[Puluin]

Dont got a problem with anyone specifically, I just happeed to notice the ag person log in at noble. Could have been anyone logging in and it would have been posted as you aren't supposed to be camping out at raid mobs if I can read correctly.

As per whoever is doing the princess... all I've seen is hearsay and rumors. Someone posted that the culprit was suspended but again today the princess is gone. So... who is doing it now?

[Pokesan]

kisses to whoever is saving people from doing sky. you're helping those who can't help themselves.

[pogs4ever]

16 hour variance please

[Savok]

Dont got a problem with anyone specifically, I just happeed to notice the ag person log in at noble. Could have been anyone logging in and it would have been posted as you aren't supposed to be camping out at raid mobs if I can read correctly.

As per whoever is doing the princess... all I've seen is hearsay and rumors. Someone posted that the culprit was suspended but again today the princess is gone. So... who is doing it now?

I'm more than happy for a GM to post who is despawning OoA because it isn't us. Question: Is Noble considered a raid mob, or is it like golems in fear totally being camped by "we don't track fear unless its for CT' guilds?

[gizmo]

More rules!

[Samoht]

So first we had guilds trying so hard to monopolize that they didn't care who they inconvenienced, as long as they got their keys. Guilds like AG and Rustle were killing faeries on island 1 on nights designated to other guilds.

Then, the other guilds retaliated by clearing OoAs. These guilds had no interest in poopsocking like Rustle and AG, so this was also their first taste of noble loot since OoA and HoV both drop noble loot.

Now, the greedy people who tried to monopolize sky in the first place are intentionally despawning the faerie princess on island 1 in order to force everybody to buy their keys.

To think this whole thing could have been avoided by Rustle and AG buying their own keys to begin with.

Killing OoAs and HoVs give more access to noble loot for casual guilds. Your nobles are gone and are never coming back as long as casual guilds are in sky. You're not going to be able to sustain keeping the princess perpetually despawned, and even if you do, casual guilds are going to start buying keys more commonly.

And you know what they're going to do when they have the keys? Kill more OoAs and HoVs.

This further greifing is pointless. You shouldn't have killed the faeries in the first place.

[Maliant]

Only costs like 2 plat a day to keep princess permanently despawned whereas 1.5 key costs 550pp so I think it's easier to sustain keeping despawned than buying up keys.

[Fasttimes]

So first we had guilds trying so hard to monopolize that they didn't care who they inconvenienced, as long as they got their keys. Guilds like AG and Rustle were killing faeries on island 1 on nights designated to other guilds.

Then, the other guilds retaliated by clearing OoAs. These guilds had no interest in poopsocking like Rustle and AG, so this was also their first taste of noble loot since OoA and HoV both drop noble loot.

Now, the greedy people who tried to monopolize sky in the first place are intentionally despawning the faerie princess on island 1 in order to force everybody to buy their keys.

To think this whole thing could have been avoided by Rustle and AG buying their own keys to begin with.

Killing OoAs and HoVs give more access to noble loot for casual guilds. Your nobles are gone and are never coming back as long as casual guilds are in sky. You're not going to be able to sustain keeping the princess perpetually despawned, and even if you do, casual guilds are going to start buying keys more commonly.

And you know what they're going to do when they have the keys? Kill more OoAs and HoVs.

This further greifing is pointless. You shouldn't have killed the faeries in the first place.

Get rustled

[Samoht]

Get rustled

Cry more about nobles

[Fasttimes]

Cry more about nobles

I don't wanna do them I think you misunderstand so pls keep crying

[Savok]

So first we had guilds trying so hard to monopolize that they didn't care who they inconvenienced, as long as they got their keys. Guilds like AG and Rustle were killing faeries on island 1 on nights designated to other guilds.

Then, the other guilds retaliated by clearing OoAs. These guilds had no interest in poopsocking like Rustle and AG, so this was also their first taste of noble loot since OoA and HoV both drop noble loot.

Now, the greedy people who tried to monopolize sky in the first place are intentionally despawning the faerie princess on island 1 in order to force everybody to buy their keys.

To think this whole thing could have been avoided by Rustle and AG buying their own keys to begin with.

Killing OoAs and HoVs give more access to noble loot for casual guilds. Your nobles are gone and are never coming back as long as casual guilds are in sky. You're not going to be able to sustain keeping the princess perpetually despawned, and even if you do, casual guilds are going to start buying keys more commonly.

And you know what they're going to do when they have the keys? Kill more OoAs and HoVs.

This further greifing is pointless. You shouldn't have killed the faeries in the first place.

Stop pointing the finger at AG, we once killed 3 fairies on Isle 1 due to Noble leashing changes and then stopped and fixed the issue when we realized our mistake. Intentionally griefing all guilds that do sky by constantly despawning a mob is a totally different issue. I would consider AG a casual guild compared to A/A/Rustle - hence why we still do Sky every week for quest drops, are we not also suffering the same as the other guilds you mentioned?

[Krashin]

Rustle is on vacation, and not doing nobles, or much raids at all at this point. It's called summer and outside, I believe a lot of you should try it out. As far as us "poopsocking" noble, I think you may be confused samoht, all that blood that left your brain and moved to the hard on for Rustle over Sky has ruined your judgment.

[Samoht]

Rustle is on vacation, and not doing nobles, or much raids at all at this point. It's called summer and outside, I believe a lot of you should try it out. As far as us "poopsocking" noble, I think you may be confused samoht, all that blood that left your brain and moved to the hard on for Rustle over Sky has ruined your judgment.

A screenshot was just posted of someone poopsocking noble. Maybe you can't read.

[Fasttimes]

A screenshot was just posted of someone poopsocking noble. Maybe you can't read.

Maybe you can't . Someone posted ag at noble and trozzle de spawning.none of that is rustle poopsocking and raiding noble

[Samoht]

Maybe you can't . Someone posted ag at noble and trozzle de spawning.none of that is rustle poopsocking and raiding noble

Omg, guys, Rustle is on summer break, so let's stop talking about the things they did last week and the week before. THEY'RE NOT RAIDING THIS WEEK.

[Puluin]

Mostly I myself am only in sky on thursday evenings for my guilds time slot.

With that said, I have not once in the past 4 months seen rustle in sky.

I do remember having seen > azure guard / aftermath / awakened / paradigm shit / blackheart pirates / paradox > all in sky on thursday ( not their raid night ) for various reasons. ( I'm not counting obvious trackers or quest turn ins)

Couple of the above guilds came up to snipe noble while we were raiding tough I don't remember which specifically as all this nonsense just blends together for me.

As far as i am aware Only paradox has openly stated (/shout /ooc) they were only there to recorpse which did promptly did so and left.

[Fasttimes]

Omg, guys, Rustle is on summer break, so let's stop talking about the things they did last week and the week before. THEY'RE NOT RAIDING THIS WEEK.

Or in while it's mid July brah.

[gizmo]

It's a beautiful day outside. Time to engage the p99 community and discuss the problem of paying for Sky keys.

Let's point some fingers and write a white paper or two on the topic, too.

[Sadiki]

People are still acting like this thread is a huge argument between guilds when it's just Samo every other post trying to rustle some jimmies.

[Krashin]

[QUOTE=Samoht;2555488]These guilds had no interest in poopsocking like Rustle and AG, so this was also their first taste of noble loot since OoA and HoV both drop noble loot.

[QUOTE]

Maybe you should remember what you spewed out not that long ago. So I guess I am pretty decent at reading.

[Keary]

I would consider AG a casual guild compared to A/A/Rustle

Ugh I remember when I was delusional thinking that CSG was 'casual' raiding. 24/7 batphones, multiple static raids a week... You could argue that CSG is more 'hardcore' than A/A when it comes to actual playtime spent raiding. I guess the guise that "raiding is optional" is what makes it considered casual. No disrespect! Just I think this is a funny comment. <3 AG

[skarlorn]

Ugh I remember when I was delusional thinking that CSG was 'casual' raiding. 24/7 batphones, multiple static raids a week... You could argue that CSG is more 'hardcore' than A/A when it comes to actual playtime spent raiding. I guess the guise that "raiding is optional" is what makes it considered casual. No disrespect! Just I think this is a funny comment. <3 AG

Lol Keary, I had the same realization about BDA. Truly horrific to realize you're playing hardcore hours in a "casual" guild, meaning low-tier targets.

[Vallanor]

Ugh I remember when I was delusional thinking that CSG was 'casual' raiding. 24/7 batphones, multiple static raids a week... You could argue that CSG is more 'hardcore' than A/A when it comes to actual playtime spent raiding. I guess the guise that "raiding is optional" is what makes it considered casual. No disrespect! Just I think this is a funny comment. <3 AG

Haha I remember complaining about how much goddamn raiding we were doing and being told it was totally reasonable (maybe even by you! Though I don't really remember.) It was seriously ridiculous for a while, with batphones going off constantly and scheduled raids 4ish nights a week. I never felt bad about skipping 85% of raids though, which was cool.

Basically CSG has been hardcore for a long time. They're just nicer about it (Samoht's weird anti-CSG tirade notwithstanding.)

[Sadiki]

CSG made me lose my job, my family, and my life. But I got a vindi bp out of it.

[Savok]

Meh, its casual raiding for me. If something spawns for CSG I may or may not log in for it depending if I'm working/sleeping/caring to kill it, if I wanted to go hardcore I would still be on Live - hell I'm 7 years in to this server and am only 56, pretty casual to me. But I will log in for AG appointed raids whenever I can - supporting my fellow guildmembers when I can.

[skarlorn]

I guarantee you Rustle is the most casual. We don't batphone after 12 AM EST. We Roleplay. We diddle each other's fiddles.

Join us.

[Mead]

Samoht an ex red player that stole knuckle's avatar and now spends his time trolling blue players?

[Lhancelot]

In other news: Caught this AG guy logging in and FD on top of noble spawn.

http://i.imgur.com/wKAqzAz.png

I learned a new word from a forum elf recently that fits AG. "Sanctimonious."

***AG no better than all the guilds they like to criticize and complain about.

[Pan]

Not speaking for all of CSG here, but Omni occupies a bit of a different space from Rustle and many other guilds. Part of the reason that we raid as a guild 3x a week (for two hours) - or 2x week in the Summer - is that we seem to recruit the type of players who are experiencing a lot of the content for the first time.

Many of our apps didn't finish an epic on live - lots didn't see a dragon there. So we end up with more casual people who are joining a guild for the first time...and need HoT gear, need epics (we did Prince in chardok 3x today, for example), to see the planes - as well as to learn (or refresh) basic game mechanics.

And on a static server with people coming and going all the time, it's a never-ending cycle.

And that's a part of the game that I really enjoy. Reliving the wonder of this lightning-in-a-bottle mess that is classic EQ with new people - many experiencing some of what the game has to offer for the first time.

So yeah, we probably spend more time raiding each week than Rustle. But we also recruit very different people, too. And we try to cater to the needs of our members that way.

[Savok]

I learned a new word from a forum elf recently that fits AG. "Sanctimonious."

***AG no better than all the guilds they like to criticize and complain about.

We're the new BDA.

[Vallanor]

I learned a new word from a forum elf recently that fits AG. "Sanctimonious."

***AG no better than all the guilds they like to criticize and complain about.

Nah. Unless something has changed recently, AG is a great guild that promotes a much healthier raid scene than either of "top" guilds. I hated the cutthroat nature of the raid scene when I was playing, but AG always felt like a nice oasis where we could get stuff done while still respecting our fellow players as much as possible.

I just think "casual raid guild" is a misnomer. "Casual-friendly hardcore raid guild" is probably more accurate.

[Lhancelot]

Nah. Unless something has changed recently, AG is a great guild that promotes a much healthier raid scene than either of "top" guilds. I hated the cutthroat nature of the raid scene when I was playing, but AG always felt like a nice oasis where we could get stuff done while still respecting our fellow players as much as possible.

I just think "casual raid guild" is a misnomer. "Casual-friendly hardcore raid guild" is probably more accurate.

When were you in AG?

[skarlorn]

Nah. Unless something has changed recently, AG is a great guild that promotes a much healthier raid scene than either of "top" guilds. I hated the cutthroat nature of the raid scene when I was playing, but AG always felt like a nice oasis where we could get stuff done while still respecting our fellow players as much as possible.

I just think "casual raid guild" is a misnomer. "Casual-friendly hardcore raid guild" is probably more accurate.

I'd say this is pretty accurate. AG peeps always seems decent to me, if a little bit stuck up. But I'm a little wild, so *shrug*

[MilanderTruewield]

When were you in AG?

Like, the entire time he played...

[Lhancelot]

Like, the entire time he played...

I didn't ask him how long he was in AG, I asked when. Just curious if this was 6 months ago, or if he was in AG 5 years ago etc.

Not important though. I just had asked out of curiousity earlier.