32 Bard Mana song

[gintu01]

I did not play a bard on live, so I am not sure this is broken or WAI.

The level 32 bard song Cassindra's Chorus of Clarity(lucy link - http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=723&source=Live)

does not last the same duration as other songs when attempting to twist. The duration according to lucy is 3 ticks(the same as all the other songs). I can keep up 3 songs no problem as long as 1 of them isnt mana song( seems to last half the duration)

(sorry if this has been posted already, I attempted to search for it.)

[Arkanjil]

I know it says 3 ticks, but it always lasted shorted on live as well. Not sure if it was a problem that was never fixed or a description that was incorrect.

You should still be able to twist 3 songs with little difficulty...it is just impossible to twist 4 (and keep them all up) while also twisting mana song.

cheers

[Jete]

Arkanjil is completely right. Its classic to only be able to stack 2 other songs with manasong- 4 without.

[Jify]

Arkanjil is completely right. Its classic to only be able to stack 2 other songs with manasong- 4 without.

Truth

[Cubehacker]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I seem to remember bard mana song being pulse based, not tick based. As in, every time you see the graphic effect, you gain a little bit of mana - there is no actual buff icon for the spell. I don't remember being able to twist this song at all because you basically have to keep it on all by itself to get the full effect.

An archive.org lookup of castersrealm seems to say the same thing:

The boon and bane of any bards career. The "mana song" will give back a portion of party members mana with each pulse.

Its been a long time so anyone else who remembers better please reply.

[Finawin]

Cubehacker is right. It should be pulse based as opposed to a "buff"

[Jete]

Spell IconCassindra's Chorus of Clarity
Classes:

* Bard level 32

Scroll info:
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Description:

2: Increase Mana by 5 (L32) to 7 (L48) per tick

Details: Raw Spell Data, Lucy Spell View
Spell Type: Beneficial Skill: Singing
Mana: 0 Target Type: Group v2
Casting Time: 3 Duration: 3 ticks
Recast Time: 0 Resist: Unresistable (0)
Fizzle Time: 0 Range to target: 0
AE Radius: 30 Interruptable: Yes
Location: Any Time of Day: Any
Reflectable: Yes

AKA: Not Pulse Driven =D

[Wenai]

Spell IconCassindra's Chorus of Clarity
Classes:

* Bard level 32

Scroll info:
Scroll Info Sold at vendors

Abysmal Sea
Ylian Darsdi 6pp 2gp 9sp 9cp
East Freeport
Malusuard Blolus
Greater Faydark
Astar Leafsinger
Plane of Knowledge
Minstrel Cirsaelle 6pp 2gp 9sp 9cp
South Qeynos
Topala Xenem 6pp 2gp 9sp 9cp

Description:

2: Increase Mana by 5 (L32) to 7 (L48) per tick

Details: Raw Spell Data, Lucy Spell View
Spell Type: Beneficial Skill: Singing
Mana: 0 Target Type: Group v2
Casting Time: 3 Duration: 3 ticks
Recast Time: 0 Resist: Unresistable (0)
Fizzle Time: 0 Range to target: 0
AE Radius: 30 Interruptable: Yes
Location: Any Time of Day: Any
Reflectable: Yes

AKA: Not Pulse Driven =D
Lucy is not reliable at all. Like the earliest things in Lucy are 2003? Or something.

[Jete]

That's from Alla:


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=723

However the earliest post on this is 2003, let me do a back date on this.

[Lonedrahon25]

The mana song was PULSE based. I know this cause i played a bard live. I'm to lazy to research it, and u dont have to take my word. But i know for a fact personally that it was pulse, not buff. The only buff one was later version, think much later.

[Wenai]

That's from Alla:

http://http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=723
It is based off of the current Lucy data though. I am not saying what you have showed here is wrong, I am saying it is unreliable. It could very well be pulse based but it require some research to find some old sources.

EDIT: I had a bard twink on live and for some reason I am remembering the original manasong being pulse based, and thus I much preferred the version they added later that gave the HP/Mana regen buff.

[Jete]

Taken from EQClassic.org and it seems everyone agrees:

-Cassindra's Chorus of Clarity, level 32, original era, has no icon. It's a flat 5 mana per pulse.
-Cassindra's Chant of Clarity, level 20, Kunark era, has no icon. This is 2 mana per pulse.
-Cantata of Replenishment, level 55, Kunark era, *is* an icon buff. It's a base of 12 mana per tick at level 55.
-Cantata of Soothing, level 34, Velious era, *is* an icon buffs. Base of 5 mana/tick.

So, from Kunark on out, the "best" mana song will have an icon. It can be twisted with the level 32 pulse-based song, though, so it's kind of the best of both worlds.
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However much it pisses me off its true. Manasong shouldn't have a song graphic bards can stack manasongs since they are pulse based. It pretty much destroys twisting since you just cast it over and over..... So yay for bard manasong auto-attack /afk!

*Edit* (and gonna piss people off with this)
I think it should be left as-is. The same way I think -40%xp should be taken off rangers. Just my worthless 2cp.

[Wenai]

Makes sense. My bard was twinked during the Velious era and I specifically remember much preferring the Cantata of Soothing so that I could twist.

[Jete]

Also to tag on this and maybe add a highlight to how pissed I am at my future of singing one song:
You CAN stack an icon mana buff song with pulse mana songs. So the twist would be Icon, pulse, pulse, Icon, pulse, pulse, for about 2x what we can manasong for now.. this of course is Kunark Era.... FML...

*Edit* First of all Wenai, you know how like 3 people voted for you as best dev on the server? Yea one of them was yours truly! Don't let me down! Second, could you just fix other bard stuff until Kunark then.. "Fix" manasong?

[Wenai]

I don't *usually* do work on the spell file (or possibly source work) so this would not be a fix for me to handle.

With regards to whether or not you consider it a nerf; we just want things to be accurate. We don't make changes like this, or the removal of the regen from the magician line, or any other fix for the sake of a "nerf." We want to re-create things as accurately as we possibly can. I understand from time to time the changes implemented can affect your playstyle but we don't do anything for any vindictive reason.

I have no vendetta against bards :p In fact during/after Kunark they are one of my favorite classes to play. With regards to fixing any of the listed problems you have stated in your thread, they are not the type of fixes I can do unfortunately. I can work on quest issues, drop issues, spawn issues, npc stat issues and the such. Unfortunately I am self-taught for the most part in most of these areas and I do not have the ability to make game mechanic (often referred as source changes) which all of your listed issues are.

[Turbo]

I can dig up my snapshot of eqsongs.com circa 2000, I'm positive it was mana on pulse

[astuce999]

100% sure lvl 32 manasong was pulse based. In fact, I was very angry at Rytan when they nerfed it and I yelled on the concert hall a lot. It was during Luclin, and we routinely had a 'mana pump' set up, with 2 bards and 4 clerics, pulsing lvl 32 mana, and refreshing amplification and AE mana song when needed. Made for some nice mana regen.

I`ve put my bard on hold on this server while the fixes come in, I find it too rough to play untwinked with a broken class. I heard the song fizzle fix is coming, so that may help, but in the meantime I`m leveling up my girlfriend`s druid so we can buy gear to twink the bard.

cheers,

Astucexx (until they fix it to Astuce)