<Brexit>

[Domo]

The new sex position is called Brexit:
It's when you promise to pull out but you don't


(source: fucking reddit of course)

[BadOrangeMan]

Don't even know why I read this thread. People are uneducated, they should read more history books.

When you have a population that is on the whole unread and uneducated, you end up with stuff like BREXIT, you end up with hard right international networks fooling people using digital propaganda techniques, you end up with antifascists being labelled fascists, you end up with climate change denial and eventually you'll end up with a pan-world hard right alliance whom will cull as their solution to the climate and ecological emergency.

The end.

DIGITAL PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES!?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Domo]

The problem with BREXIT - VisualPolitik EN (https://youtu.be/GQjutVj7sFk)

[Thrombosis]

Would be super interesting if Scotland was independent and NI returned back to the Republic of Ireland. What the hell would England and Wales call themselves?

Not convinced that NI will ever be returned to RoI as I don't believe Dublin would want it. Sure it's been a useful stick to beat the UK with over Brexit but why would anyone want to acquire a territory with such a divided society? Northern Ireland costs the UK taxpayer a lot of money, and it would inevitably cost Dublin should there ever be a united Ireland - what would they gain?

[Swish]

The problem with BREXIT - VisualPolitik EN (https://youtu.be/GQjutVj7sFk)

What does the host of the show's shirt tell you? That's not a balanced piece of journalism. The first casualty of a lot of journalism these days is the truth.

[Thrombosis]

England. As i understand it, probably improperly, Wales is more like a subkingdom of England, whereas Scotland is a separate kingdom that currently shares a monarch.

As I recall it was a Scottish King James that united the kingdoms of Scotland and England, whereas Wales was more sort of just territorially occupied?

Wales is a separate country, with its own identity and heritage, that shares a legal system with England. Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own separate legal systems. The territorial conquest of Wales happened in the 13th century.

[Thrombosis]

What does the host of the show's shirt tell you? That's not a balanced piece of journalism. The first casualty of a lot of journalism these days is the truth.

I had a suspicion that the video may have been a digital propaganda technique ;)

[Domo]

What does the host of the show's shirt tell you? That's not a balanced piece of journalism. The first casualty of a lot of journalism these days is the truth.

I think its a nice sum up video of where the brexit stands right now at.

Is there anythink in the video you disagree with? Or is it just the T-shirt which bothers/triggers you?

[Domo]

I must say that Jonathan Pie is a funny guy (https://youtu.be/MjUWX6S8iYU) hehe

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Don't even know why I read this thread. People are uneducated, they should read more history books.

When you have a population that is on the whole unread and uneducated, you end up with stuff like BREXIT, you end up with hard right international networks fooling people using digital propaganda techniques, you end up with antifascists being labelled fascists, you end up with climate change denial and eventually you'll end up with a pan-world hard right alliance whom will cull as their solution to the climate and ecological emergency.

The end.

This.

[Teppler]

People like that always have only surface level morality and justifications. Any time you dig deeper into their ideas , they don’t hold up under scrutiny. 100% of posters with those viewpoints that stick around end up resorting to personal attacks when they get flustered that mods won’t just delete opposing viewpoints for them.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Honestly mate. There is literally ZERO need for you to post if all you are going to say is the same few sentances ad infanatum. You may as well just include it as your sig.

[Teppler]

Honestly mate. There is literally ZERO need for you to post if all you are going to say is the same few sentances ad infanatum. You may as well just include it as your sig.

Take your own advice.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Takes one to know one.

[Thrombosis]

I think its a nice sum up video of where the brexit stands right now at.

Now I've had chance to watch it, there are some factual inaccuracies in there e.g. saying Theresa May invoked Article 50 straight away, in fact she waited 6 months as the UK had to acquire some international diplomacy expertise as we didn't have any. It's also unfair to blame the DUP for any of this, they've been crystal clear from the beginning what they would accept and wouldn't accept. The video also misses out the biggest reason for why we are in the current situation - that despite 88% of MPs being elected on a pro-Brexit platform in 2017, over half of them (including the supposedly neutral Speaker) had no intention whatsoever of delivering what the people voted for.

[Swish]

I think its a nice sum up video of where the brexit stands right now at.

Is there anythink in the video you disagree with? Or is it just the T-shirt which bothers/triggers you?

Factually I agree the whole Brexit thing is a farce. But it really doesn't tackle why the government has failed to get it done - other than poking fun and adding a bit of comedy...and while some political satire is never a bad thing, the annoying thing for Brexit voters is that no leader yet has had the stones to just WALK AWAY.

I'd understand if we were a small EU country like Luxembourg or Lithuania - we probably wouldn't survive economically, but the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world and we still have strong ties to commonwealth countries like Canada/Australia/South Africa/etc and in terms of setting our own policies on migration, work visas, our own laws not being subject to the European Court of Justice's approval, and generally being able to trade with who we like... there's no reason we can't stand on our own two feet.

Imagine an official "North American Union" gets set up. Mexico and probably Cuba and some other countries get added.... and you have freedom of movement for anyone with a member state passport able to work and live where they like. Is that going to be damaging for the American economy? Of course it is. The difference there though is America is already something like 370 million people right? The UK is up to around 65 million, and it wasn't 20 years ago we were closer to 55 million. We haven't grown as a nation in terms of standards of living, most people working unskilled jobs are on the minimum wage, which is becoming the maximum wage they can hope for.

Is that bad? Well, not if you come from Romania where its 9 times higher than the wage there - but if you're a UK school leaver entering the workforce, you're competing for a shit job at a supermarket with dozens of people who have moved to the UK to work. No qualifications needed, maybe your chances are considerably better if you've learnt English but overall the country has become a good place for people to come and make enough money to then go back to buy a house and set their lives up. I can't blame anyone for wanting to better their life for themselves or their family, but uncontrolled immigration hurts a lot of people's employment chances here - and pushes the cost of living up in terms of renting a house (buying one is getting near impossible).

The joke of the whole Brexit saga is that if we "do a deal" as May, Johnson and whoever else keeps saying is in our best interests, those freedom of movement laws would remain, we'd still be subject to a lot of EU laws which right now we don't want or need and in terms of the "leave or remain" vote in 2016 the electorate took it as an absolute withdrawal from all of it... so less than that is a betrayal from our political leaders.

It still costs us 60 million GBP per week to be an EU member, no wonder they don't want to let us go :rolleyes:

Straight up its frustrating, and we just need to walk away... but then you've got the kids of 2016 who are now in voting age saying they didn't get any say in it, and people who paint a leave voter as a full on Nazi because why wouldn't we want uncontrolled migration and increased levels of crime?

The EU as an entity needs to go, I don't know how that happens but Germany and France need to also reach that conclusion - and that'll be the end of it.

I don't think 2020 is going to solve anything either, but I can hope :p

[Wonkie]

People like that always have only surface level morality and justifications. Any time you dig deeper into their ideas , they don’t hold up under scrutiny. 100% of posters with those viewpoints that stick around end up resorting to personal attacks when they get flustered that mods won’t just delete opposing viewpoints for them.

https://i.imgur.com/GxRHDuo.jpg

[Thrombosis]

The joke of the whole Brexit saga is that if we "do a deal" as May, Johnson and whoever else keeps saying is in our best interests, those freedom of movement laws would remain, we'd still be subject to a lot of EU laws which right now we don't want or need and in terms of the "leave or remain" vote in 2016 the electorate took it as an absolute withdrawal from all of it... so less than that is a betrayal from our political leaders.

Agree 100%, it's funny isn't it that since the referendum, EU immigration to the UK has dropped, while wages are finally rising above inflation.

On Freedom of Movement - under both deals that would have ended. Boris has pledged to introduce an 'Australian-style points system' for future immigration to the UK, including for folks from the EU. Of course, that doesn't mean net immigration will actually be cut.

[Jimjam]

if your post is longer then a sentence or two no one is going to read it
Tsdr
Factually I agree the whole Brexit thing is a farce. But it really doesn't tackle why the government has failed to get it done - other than poking fun and adding a bit of comedy...and while some political satire is never a bad thing, the annoying thing for Brexit voters is that no leader yet has had the stones to just WALK AWAY.

I'd understand if we were a small EU country like Luxembourg or Lithuania - we probably wouldn't survive economically, but the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world and we still have strong ties to commonwealth countries like Canada/Australia/South Africa/etc and in terms of setting our own policies on migration, work visas, our own laws not being subject to the European Court of Justice's approval, and generally being able to trade with who we like... there's no reason we can't stand on our own two feet.

Imagine an official "North American Union" gets set up. Mexico and probably Cuba and some other countries get added.... and you have freedom of movement for anyone with a member state passport able to work and live where they like. Is that going to be damaging for the American economy? Of course it is. The difference there though is America is already something like 370 million people right? The UK is up to around 65 million, and it wasn't 20 years ago we were closer to 55 million. We haven't grown as a nation in terms of standards of living, most people working unskilled jobs are on the minimum wage, which is becoming the maximum wage they can hope for.

Is that bad? Well, not if you come from Romania where its 9 times higher than the wage there - but if you're a UK school leaver entering the workforce, you're competing for a shit job at a supermarket with dozens of people who have moved to the UK to work. No qualifications needed, maybe your chances are considerably better if you've learnt English but overall the country has become a good place for people to come and make enough money to then go back to buy a house and set their lives up. I can't blame anyone for wanting to better their life for themselves or their family, but uncontrolled immigration hurts a lot of people's employment chances here - and pushes the cost of living up in terms of renting a house (buying one is getting near impossible).

The joke of the whole Brexit saga is that if we "do a deal" as May, Johnson and whoever else keeps saying is in our best interests, those freedom of movement laws would remain, we'd still be subject to a lot of EU laws which right now we don't want or need and in terms of the "leave or remain" vote in 2016 the electorate took it as an absolute withdrawal from all of it... so less than that is a betrayal from our political leaders.

It still costs us 60 million GBP per week to be an EU member, no wonder they don't want to let us go :rolleyes:

Straight up its frustrating, and we just need to walk away... but then you've got the kids of 2016 who are now in voting age saying they didn't get any say in it, and people who paint a leave voter as a full on Nazi because why wouldn't we want uncontrolled migration and increased levels of crime?

The EU as an entity needs to go, I don't know how that happens but Germany and France need to also reach that conclusion - and that'll be the end of it.

I don't think 2020 is going to solve anything either, but I can hope :pI voted remain for my own selfish reasons, but I don't think there is much wrong in your post.

I hope there at least remains a dual tax agreement as part of whatever the arrangement is, and a back door for family of / those married to Brits.

[feniin]

General election 2019: Ads are 'indecent, dishonest and untruthful' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-50726500)

for the Conservatives, it said that 88% (5,952) of the party's most widely promoted ads either featured claims which had been flagged by independent fact-checking organisations including BBC Reality Check as not correct or not entirely correct. The figure includes instances of the same claims being made across multiple posts. One example was that Labour would spend £1.2 trillion at a cost of £2,400 to every household, which was contained within 4,028 ads. Those sums are significantly higher than others' analysis of Labour's plans
for the Lib Dems, it said hundreds of potentially misleading ads had featured identical unlabelled graphs, with no indication of the source data, to claim it was the only party that could beat either Labour, the Conservatives or the SNP "in seats like yours"
for Labour, it said that it could not find any misleading claims in ads run over the period

[Kaveh]

Jeremy Corbyn is gonna get dunked on

[Thrombosis]

Al Gore says 'Brexit is stupidest decision a country could have taken'. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7779109/Ex-Vice-President-Al-Gore-slams-Brexit-stupidest-decision-country-taken.html)

Never been more sure that Leave was the right decision for the country.

[Kaveh]

Al Gore says 'Brexit is stupidest decision a country could have taken'. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7779109/Ex-Vice-President-Al-Gore-slams-Brexit-stupidest-decision-country-taken.html)

Never been more sure that Leave was the right decision for the country.

If Scotland leaves it probably isn’t great. The U.K. fragmenting would be sad for the world. The French are lazy and the Germans are pussies. The future needs more than just America and Japan resisting melanin and Judaism/Bolshevism

[Wonkie]

Jeremy Corbyn is gonna get dunked on

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204728905766227969

[Jimjam]

https://i.imgur.com/9xFyeb8.jpg

[Kaveh]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204728905766227969

The West is in a bad way, but Corbyn is a communist. Commies delenda est

[Jimjam]

https://i.imgur.com/adYpfQ1.jpg

[feniin]

JC doesn't want to be, and probably shouldn't be, Prime Minister but he's certainly a better choice than Boris fucking Johnson.

[Jimjam]

If the globalist bankers are supporting the opposition to the government in the UK, why would they use the footage of PM BJ saying these phrases as propaganda against voting Conservative?

If PM BJ represents the common man taking power back from globalist bankers then why does he claim to support them so much?

https://i.imgur.com/9xFyeb8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/adYpfQ1.jpg

[Jimjam]

JC doesn't want to be, and probably shouldn't be, Prime Minister but he's certainly a better choice than Boris fucking Johnson.

Mate even JJ would make a better pm than BJ and JJ is an incoherent addict to 20 year old elf sim discussion boards.

[feniin]

Mate even JJ would make a better pm than BJ and JJ is an incoherent addict to 20 year old elf sim discussion boards.

:p I'd vote for you. Illegally, of course, after some Labour bussed me in.

[Kaveh]

I thought David Cameron was pretty decent, but what do I know. I don’t remember being as angry as millennials are in my youth, and I grew up in a war zone and then fled to two different countries

But then again it could’ve been worse, I’m descended from those that wore the purple, have always been handsome, and went from Mexicans at age 14 to blondes at age 16. God bless Texas

[Teppler]

Are UK elites still pretending that they are going to allow democratically voted on brexit to go through?

Very sad break down of democracy over there. What does a vote really mean when elites can cancel it or delay the consequences of votes indefinitely?

[Jimjam]

They had local elections earlier not long ago that leavers advertised as a 'second referendum'...

Of course the majority of votes went to parties supporting remain or an informed referendum. Of course that wasn't picked up by the news. Tomorrow we have general election. More illusion of informed democracy.

That Aussie Yank has way too much power over what he can fill people's minds with. With all the 'they took our jobs' bull shit he circulates i wish he'd take his foreign fingers out of our national press.

[Wonkie]

I thought David Cameron was pretty decent, but what do I know. I don’t remember being as angry as millennials are in my youth, and I grew up in a war zone and then fled to two different countries

But then again it could’ve been worse, I’m descended from those that wore the purple, have always been handsome, and went from Mexicans at age 14 to blondes at age 16. God bless Texas

Millennials aren't youths ojiisan

[feniin]

I thought David Cameron was pretty decent, but what do I know. I don’t remember being as angry as millennials are in my youth, and I grew up in a war zone and then fled to two different countries

But then again it could’ve been worse, I’m descended from those that wore the purple, have always been handsome, and went from Mexicans at age 14 to blondes at age 16. God bless Texas

Millennials are born 1981-1996. Plus, they have access to unlimited information and 24/7 news that you never had at that age. They're infinitely more informed that you ever could have been.

[Teppler]

They had local elections earlier not long ago that leavers advertised as a 'second referendum'...

Of course the majority of votes went to parties supporting remain or an informed referendum. Of course that wasn't picked up by the news. Tomorrow we have general election. More illusion of informed democracy.

That Aussie Yank has way too much power over what he can fill people's minds with. With all the 'they took our jobs' bull shit he circulates i wish he'd take his foreign fingers out of our national press.

It all sounds like a very sad break down of democracy.

How does your public trust in any future vote? Why would leavers vote to leave again?

[feniin]

It all sounds like a very sad break down of democracy.

How does your public trust in any future vote? Why would leavers vote to leave again?

It's almost like they were systematically lied to in order to encourage a leave vote :eek:

[Wonkie]

What time does the election come on tomorrow?

[Jimjam]

It all sounds like a very sad break down of democracy.

How does your public trust in any future vote? Why would leavers vote to leave again?

Yea, there was an investigation into the Conservative general election campaign and somewhere between 86-88% of their ads contained misinformation, thats before considering 'unofficial' advertisement.

As i said before thise who control the media chose the king.

[feniin]

Yea, there was an investigation into the Conservative general election campaign and somewhere between 86-88% of their ads contained misinformation, thats before considering 'unofficial' advertisement.

As i said before thise who control the media chose the king.

for the Conservatives, it said that 88% (5,952) of the party's most widely promoted ads either featured claims which had been flagged by independent fact-checking organisations including BBC Reality Check as not correct or not entirely correct. The figure includes instances of the same claims being made across multiple posts. One example was that Labour would spend £1.2 trillion at a cost of £2,400 to every household, which was contained within 4,028 ads. Those sums are significantly higher than others' analysis of Labour's plans

[Jimjam]

What time does the election come on tomorrow?

Alarmingly I (nor wife) didn't receive a polling card despite being registered to vote... It's normally open from early to late.

Also only received Conservative posted mail through the door even though all parties get one paid by electorate.

It's almost like the establishment is obstructing votes of those that aren't going to vote for them...

[feniin]

Alarmingly I (nor wife) didn't receive a polling card despite being registered to vote... It's normally open from early to late.

Also only received Conservative posted mail through the door even though all parties get one paid by electorate.

It's almost like the establishment is obstructing votes of those that aren't going to vote for them...

Wouldn't be terribly surprising for a local postmaster to "lose" all of the mailers for the other parties.

[Kaveh]

Alarmingly I (nor wife) didn't receive a polling card despite being registered to vote... It's normally open from early to late.

Also only received Conservative posted mail through the door even though all parties get one paid by electorate.

It's almost like the establishment is obstructing votes of those that aren't going to vote for them...

Who cares dude, Jeremy Corbyn is garbage. He supported the IRA. Orange order 4 lyfe

[Kaveh]

Millennials are born 1981-1996. Plus, they have access to unlimited information and 24/7 news that you never had at that age. They're infinitely more informed that you ever could have been.

They’re also incels and poor, not to mention diabetic, obese, and majoring in African American studies
It evens out

[Kaveh]

It's almost like they were systematically lied to in order to encourage a leave vote :eek:

I thought Cameron, who allowed and organized the 1st referendum, campaigned for Remain?

“They’re infinitely more informed than I am”

Lol!!!’ Stick to melanin pleb

[Teppler]

Yea, there was an investigation into the Conservative general election campaign and somewhere between 86-88% of their ads contained misinformation, thats before considering 'unofficial' advertisement.

As i said before thise who control the media chose the king.

Lmao “misinformation”. Sounds like your peasants had a case of wrongthink. That sounds horrific for you guys. Talk about 1984 style. Ouch. Bad peasants voting the way we elites don’t want.

[Jimjam]

Who cares dude, Jeremy Corbyn is garbage. He supported the IRA. Orange order 4 lyfe

I mean i have irish heritage, so really i should vote for Conservatives who have actual ex IRA members, not just someone foolish enough to go alone into a room full of terroists to try open narratives to begin a peace process.

[feniin]

I thought Cameron, who allowed and organized the 1st referendum, campaigned for Remain?

“They’re infinitely more informed than I am”

Lol!!!’ Stick to melanin pleb

Do you know anything about the disinformation campaign that occurred in the lead up to the first referendum?

[Jimjam]

Lmao “misinformation”. Sounds like your peasants had a case of wrongthink. That sounds horrific for you guys. Talk about 1984 style. Ouch. Bad peasants voting the way we elites don’t want.

This is incoherent but i'll try to respond.

Claiming a net loss of 1000 police officers is actually an increase in officers is misinformation.

Retaining* 19000 nurses is not the same as training and hiring 19000 more. Misinformation.

Lieing about the per household cost out of their opponents manifesto is misinformation.

Campaign fibs are nothing to do with the wrongthink issue.


*obviously increasing retention would be great too. Much cheaper than training and hiring new workers.

[Kaveh]

Nuke Dublin

[feniin]

Nuke Dublin

:confused:

[Jimjam]

Nuke Dublin

Did you mean Belfast?

Heres one for you conspiracy theorists: the IRA dirty bombed Salford/Manchester and it was covered up...

[Kaveh]

Did you mean Belfast?

Heres one for you conspiracy theorists: the IRA dirty bombed Salford/Manchester and it was covered up...

No there are Protestants in Belfast, I meant Dublin

[Jimjam]

No there are Protestants in Belfast, I meant Dublin

Okay.

Tangentially related to Brexit I have to say giving Northern Ireland best of both worlds where they can choose to identify as Irish or British does seem to have alleviated the troubles and from that perspective was succesful.

I do however feel from the international perspective it may not continue to work so well going forth (e.g Good Friday agreement being a stick in the wheel of Brexit - this is all JC's fault for openning them lines of communication with terrorists(!)).

Is there scope Northern Ireland may be cut free? Be given a 'You're not Eire, You're not Britain you are Northern Ireland, now sort out you own problems by yourself'?

[Thrombosis]

What time does the election come on tomorrow?

The exit poll, normally a pretty accurate predictor of the result, comes in shortly after 10pm GMT. We'll probably know the winner by 3am but the final results won't be known until around midday tomorrow.

[Thrombosis]

Okay.

Tangentially related to Brexit I have to say giving Northern Ireland best of both worlds where they can choose to identify as Irish or British does seem to have alleviated the troubles and from that perspective was succesful.

I do however feel from the international perspective it may not continue to work so well going forth (e.g Good Friday agreement being a stick in the wheel of Brexit - this is all JC's fault for openning them lines of communication with terrorists(!)).

Is there scope Northern Ireland may be cut free? Be given a 'You're not Eire, You're not Britain you are Northern Ireland, now sort out you own problems by yourself'?

The Good Friday Agreement states how NI may join the Republic, basically there needs to be a referendum. NI becoming a sovereign state is the one thing that unites the different sides in opposition :)

[Thrombosis]

Went to cast my vote just before lunch. Weather is terrible today - I got soaked, and not many people at the polling station. I fear it could be a very low turnout today, which will benefit Corbyn.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Other way around. Most of the corbyn voters are young and dont care about the weather.

A lot of Tory voters are elderly and may not get out in the cold/rain/ice. They probably did postals anyway.

If a Tory voter is put off by rain then they need help. I voted in the rain at 7:20am on the way to work :D