Note to Neclo Rewarding Out of Era Spells Still

[BurtMacklinFBI]

Right now the note to neclo spell is rewarding minor shielding, which is correct later but not until the February 2000 patch. This quest should yield Elemental Armor for the first portion of green's life:

https://web.archive.org/web/20021031093922/http://www.everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=55025

This link gives additional reference to the spell, cost, and when the quest may have been 'fixed'.

Some more intel:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=453
Apr 03 2001 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
Anonymous
When you hail the guy, just say "Who is Neclo?"

I was told that when you give Neclo the letter you get a spell that's worth 3.5pp, it's s shame that it got toned down.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=2974
Apr 14 2000 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
Anonymous
He first gave out a scroll of Elemental Armor which you could sell for about 3pp, then they changed him but he ended up bugged and level 1, he's better now but only gives out a scroll of minor shielding

Feb 19 2000 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
Anonymous
he hasn't been disbanded, he just gives out a low lvl spell not a high lvl spell now

[Dolalin]

I doubt they would change this and I'd suggest they don't. It's an exploit.

[AbstractVision]

This quest combined with other quests where you purchase materials for repeatable XP turn in make this an obvious exploit.

[BurtMacklinFBI]

It was available in classic, should be available here for the truest, purest recreation of classic everquest. I remember doing this quest plenty of times to gear myself out in 1999 and others do as well.

[Jungleberry]

It was available in classic, should be available here for the truest, purest recreation of classic everquest. I remember doing this quest plenty of times to gear myself out in 1999 and others do as well.

Let's leave exploits out.

[Sillyturtle]

Let's leave exploits out.

It's not an exploit when it's classic gameplay.

it's an all or nothing approach. Rogean has said multiple times that they'll make it as pure to classic as possible, even if it means nobody plays it.

You don't get to label something an exploit just because people can benefit from it.

It's either classic, or it's not.

[DMN]

Did anyone ever even confirm the time period the original quest was implemented? It might not even have showed up for awhile. I didn't even hear about it until the GM on my server had set neclo up to somehow suicide right after he spawned, well beyond 6+ into vanilla. I highly doubt a quest this lucrative wouldn't be more well known.

[Dolalin]

It was a Qeynos human wizard newbie quest, from a trainer all the way around the back of the guild who most people probably never knew existed. I'm not exactly shocked it wasn't well known in classic.

Enabling this would have hundreds of people doing it for spell cash and breaking the economy. The staff aren't going to do it. Move to resolved.

[Quinas]

It's like /viewport. Do you disable it because strictly speaking it wasn't in during the classic era, or do you enable it, thus allowing people to create a screen view that more closely resembles classic?

Do you allow an exploitable part of a classic quest, thus making an unclassic economy; or remove the quest, and maintain a more classic economy?

[aaezil]

All i hear is wah wah i want free platinum

[Bigdaddy47]

curious what the verdict is on this, are we going full classic or half classic?

[soronil]

It's not an exploit when it's classic gameplay.

it's an all or nothing approach. Rogean has said multiple times that they'll make it as pure to classic as possible, even if it means nobody plays it.

You don't get to label something an exploit just because people can benefit from it.

It's either classic, or it's not.

You don't get to make shit up either.
What the devs have actually said is that they will prioritize "classic environment" over "classic mechanics". We have had 20 years to learn the secrets of everquest, so somethings that are super exploitable (look it up in a dictionary) need to be left out.

[tristantio]

Does anyone remember the giant exploit where they upped price of pottery patterns with a warning ahead of time or something and people were stockpiling packs of 20 at the cheap rate, to revendor at the new price?

I remember lots of level 10 people getting a few hundred easy PP out of it back toward game release.

[Bigcountry23]

It was on Everlore in 2000, meaning people who used that knew about it. It looks like it was nerfed sometime in between 2000 and 2001.

"this quest has been nerfed for months, you now get a first level starting spell which sells for 1sp plus some copper. quest is only good for faction."

[Bazia]

asking for exploits to be put in is just stupid, i dont understand how a bunch of old computer nerds could be so obtuse

[Bigdaddy47]

is jboots dropping in najena an exploit? is guise an exploit? this is just as much of a part of classic early on as those things.

[soronil]

is jboots dropping in najena an exploit? is guise an exploit? this is just as much of a part of classic early on as those things.

Do you know what "exploitable" means, sir? Let me use different words so that maybe you can understand:

Allowing a repeatable, fast, low effort newbie quest to reward large amounts of coin is detrimental to the economy. While that behavior may be classic, it would not have been exploited in 1999 to the extent that it would be in 2019, when everyone has 20 years of experience and has solved all of the best ways to do things.

The point of this server is "classic experience and atmosphere", not "100% classic mechanics". If there is a conflict between those to things, and the behavior is detrimental to the health of the server, it will probably not go in.

This has been stated over and over. I know people like you are kind of thick/slow and probably even me breaking it down for you won't help (if the handle "BigDaddy47" is any indication), but please, give up.

[Reecon]

In classic over 90% of the playerbase didnt even know about these kinda things, here on p99 it is the other way around 90% of the playerbase knows about these kinda exploits and are just foaming at the mouth to abuse them, they are going as classic as they can but somethings need to be gone and these kinda quests are one of them (not gone of course but nerfed like they eventually were with the right 1s spells instead of a spell worth platinum at low level), im sorry you wanted EZ pp to flood the economy and make everything more expensive in the EC tunnel but they will probably pass on letting these things into green (im not even playing green and i think these things should be out)

[Hokojin]

If that's an exploit then we gotta remove item recharging.

[Cuktus]

Do you know what "exploitable" means, sir? Let me use different words so that maybe you can understand:

Allowing a repeatable, fast, low effort newbie quest to reward large amounts of coin is detrimental to the economy. While that behavior may be classic, it would not have been exploited in 1999 to the extent that it would be in 2019, when everyone has 20 years of experience and has solved all of the best ways to do things.

The point of this server is "classic experience and atmosphere", not "100% classic mechanics". If there is a conflict between those to things, and the behavior is detrimental to the health of the server, it will probably not go in.

This has been stated over and over. I know people like you are kind of thick/slow and probably even me breaking it down for you won't help (if the handle "BigDaddy47" is any indication), but please, give up.

But... what about all the other repeatable, fast, low effort newbie quests? 3pp seems high for a 2 zone run, sure, but there are other quests with almost as good rewards as what OP says this used to give out. Where is the line? Should there be a line? No quest should be able to reward more then 10pp an hour? 100? Or is it just that 3pp is to much, who cares about hourly rates? Is Going Postal, well, postal?

[soronil]

Is Going Postal, well, postal?

Going Postal is.... well.... not classic. It is not in green beta and will not be in green at lauch.

Just stop arguing. You're asking the volunteer developers to spend time "fixing" something that is out of balance so that you can exploit it. Something tells me that you aren't asking for this because of your love of true unapologetic classicness.

Just read this thread over and over until it sinks in.

[Rerfu]

10 notes to Neclo, only giving Minor Shielding now.. should have Gate on his list too.

[Bigdaddy47]

yeh this quest is still broke unfortunately. should we even bother reporting other quests that aren't classic atm?

[Palemoon]

If that's an exploit then we gotta remove item recharging.

Best thing about red was the removal of recharging items. Should be removed from green too under the same umbrella of justification.

[Bigdaddy47]

if this is not fixed, why is all/all clickable soulfire still in? why can you still recharge? is getting 3 plat by running a few zones really more gamebreaking than soulfire? look at blue, completely ruined the raid scene by one item. real fun watching riot yolo engage shit by bind rushing clerics and/or spamming soulfires. THATS FINE, DRAW THE LINE AT NOTE TO NECLO ACCURATE REWARD THO CANT HAVE THAT.

[Hokojin]

without my neclo exploit money how am I gonna be able to afford to non-exploitively recharge my 10-slot bag of entirely Wooly Spider Silk Nets so I can CC and control aggro on a whim as a melee class

[Bigdaddy47]

is this in yet?

[Telin]

We are keeping the corrected reward. Moving to resolved.