Project 1999: Teal

[evilution]

lol, definitely came across that way. The insane run-on's gave it away though.

Read like it came from a pay-per-word text broker using mechanical turk.

[Pilgrimzero]

Another classic thing they used to do: when servers were to crowded, they would open new ones

[Videri]

Add one to the list of people that aren't going to bother to play anymore as a result of this change. To be fair I should add I was already thinking of quitting this is just an extra push into that direction.
I was really enjoying seeing people I recognized everywhere over the past week. Sometimes I'd even see them on streams, too. It truly felt like something special and I was really enjoying it. Now I can assume 50%~ of those people I met will transfer off. My first thought was "I need to log in and camp my friends list and talk to them all!" but then I just thought instead "Why bother?" The amount of relevant streamers to my gameplay will also cut in half, too. It was fun having eyes all around Norrath.
I'm not mad. Just disappointed. Reading comments from experienced EQers saying stuff like "I dont know why some of you all believe that a second server is going to fix the raid scene. It only takes, what, 20-50 people to lock down classic content." on Page 19 citing their experiences on Blue makes it extra disappointing for sure.
Is that even true?

You can send a tell to Teal.Name from your character on Green; or if you decide to /move you can send a tell to Green.Naala and other friends.

[ELance]

*Cough* As I see there is no great emphasis on respect or focus in this thread at least, I might without great indiscretion remark on the miraculous number of Philistines responding here. 9 people killfilled in two pages. Good lord. We polled these people? Shouldn't they be wearing harnesses and pulling a cart?

[Ind3]

*Cough* As I see there is no great emphasis on respect or focus in this thread at least, I might without great indiscretion remark on the miraculous number of Philistines responding here. 9 people killfilled in two pages. Good lord. We polled these people? Shouldn't they be wearing harnesses and pulling a cart?

Isn’t there a fair maiden in distress on the internet somewhere that you should be rescuing?

[nectarprime]

*Cough* As I see there is no great emphasis on respect or focus in this thread at least, I might without great indiscretion remark on the miraculous number of Philistines responding here. 9 people killfilled in two pages. Good lord. We polled these people? Shouldn't they be wearing harnesses and pulling a cart?

take your medicine and go to bed kid

[ELance]

Come on, have at me. I'll give you all one insult before you're killfiled. Saves me plenty of time later.

[Uuruk]

hello, when will the server open? I told my wife and kids i was going to work overtime today but i actually took the laptop to starbucks so i could play the new server.

[pink grapefruit]

*Cough* As I see there is no great emphasis on respect or focus in this thread at least, I might without great indiscretion remark on the miraculous number of Philistines responding here. 9 people killfilled in two pages. Good lord. We polled these people? Shouldn't they be wearing harnesses and pulling a cart?

why you trolling.

[nectarprime]

Come on, have at me. I'll give you all one insult before you're killfiled. Saves me plenty of time later.

*tips fedora*

[Videri]

hello, when will the server open? I told my wife and kids i was going to work overtime today but i actually took the laptop to starbucks so i could play the new server.

You should have a TV show or something.

[Purplefluffy]

Shame. Personally I quite enjoyed the feel of a busy server.

[sounion]

hello, when will the server open? I told my wife and kids i was going to work overtime today but i actually took the laptop to starbucks so i could play the new server.

this deserves a slow clap. wow man.

[cheefpoker]

Pretty sure all the people who "enjoy" the busy server feel are all the ones who always have parties or always get priority listing over others who were already legitimately in the queue for X party etc et.. Just throwing that out there.

[ELance]

Pretty sure all the people who "enjoy" the busy server feel are all the ones who always have parties or always get priority listing over others who were already legitimately in the queue for X party etc et.. Just throwing that out there.

No, within reasonable bounds a large server should be the intent of a virtual world. When a player is not excited when he hears of a virtual world of 2000 people, something is amiss. The high road is to bid these people adieu, the low is to fulfill the destiny (as alotted on Usenet) of Everquest as the McDonald's of MMORPGs. Many are genuinely amazed, all in their own ways, that Project 1999 has come to this. Some of us quite foolishly at one time or another projected our hopes and visions of MMORPGs onto this. But to be fair they are not only following the precedent of every company in MMORPGs, but fulfilling the wishes of the majority of players and of their players. Some of us are having a pipe dream, more or less.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Pretty sure all the people who "enjoy" the busy server feel are all the ones who always have parties or always get priority listing over others who were already legitimately in the queue for X party etc et.. Just throwing that out there.

You mean friendly, well-adjusted people who others enjoy grouping with?

[ELance]

From a mental point of view, the expectation of players for uncontested prosperity and low conflct is a learned trait, either from other games, other MMORPGs, or from gut instinct. As Richard Bartle writes,

"Newbies come to virtual worlds with a set of preconceptions acquired from other virtual worlds; or, failing that, from other computer games; or, failing that, from gut instinct. They will not consider virtual worlds that confront these expectations if there are others around that don't."

The question that the owners ought to ask is, will these newbies leave Project '99 for another game? If not then there is no reason to pander to them. The danger is, as Bartle writes:

"Put another way, if a virtual world has a feature that offends newbies, the developers will have to remove that feature or they won't get any newbies. This is irrespective of what the oldbies think: they may adore a feature, but if newbies don't like it then (under point #1) eventually there won't be anyone left to adore it.

Point #2: Newbies won't play a virtual world that has a major feature they don't like."

[exhell]

I really like the busy feel of Green, not so sure I like this idea. Come 3 weeks how crowded will either be?

He did just say, they will monitor populations, and decide when to merge, either "weeks, months, or years". Come on man!

[ShivanAngel]

The server is entirely to crowded. I enjoy the feel of a busy server, but you have to draw the line somewhere...

As it stands people/small groups are camping 1-2 spawns in crushbone. These are a 21 minute spawn mind you. When i poked my head in the other day there were legit more PC's then mobs that could spawn in the zone.

Was camping a 4 spawn group of bandits with my brother. Was legit getting harrassed by a player because we wouldnt merge with his group. Saying 2 people taking the camp when there were people LFG was greedy. This is a 4 spawn being kept clear with plenty of time to spare by 2 people.

It is almost impossible to find a group with empty slots much less a camp if you form your own group in just about any zone. Hell west karana had 71 people in it last night. I have seen 80 in crushbone. There arent even 80 mobs IN crushbone.

I actually logged off the other night because after 30 minutes of trying to find any semblance of a camp in my level range I gave up, everything was locked down

There are also people on reddit if you bother to look saying they are waiting on the new servers to play, because right now they dont feel like starting when the server is so bloated in the early level ranges. So that will add to the population as well.

When they split the servers, I assure you, there will still be plenty of people to play with and the servers will feel very alive... You just wont step on people every 3 feet.

[ELance]

We were learning an important life lesson from green server. When there is something that many people seek, there will be great competition for it.

Sometimes it helps to look beyond Sony and what they did. After all did they not release Planes of Power? But I am not convinced the great argument for what is classic or not is not simply a way to buttress a short-term one. As Richard Bartle writes:

"When a virtual world changes (as it must), all but its most experienced players will consider the change on its short-term merits only. They look at how the change affects them, personally, right now. They will only make mention of possible long-term effects to help buttress a short-termist argument. They don't care that things will be majorly better for them later if things are minorly worse for them today - it's only the now that matters."

[ELance]

The server is entirely to crowded. I enjoy the feel of a busy server, but you have to draw the line somewhere...

As it stands people/small groups are camping 1-2 spawns in crushbone. These are a 21 minute spawn mind you. When i poked my head in the other day there were legit more PC's then mobs that could spawn in the zone.

Was camping a 4 spawn group of bandits with my brother. Was legit getting harrassed by a player because we wouldnt merge with his group. Saying 2 people taking the camp when there were people LFG was greedy. This is a 4 spawn being kept clear with plenty of time to spare by 2 people.

It is almost impossible to find a group with empty slots much less a camp if you form your own group in just about any zone. Hell west karana had 71 people in it last night. I have seen 80 in crushbone. There arent even 80 mobs IN crushbone.

I actually logged off the other night because after 30 minutes of trying to find any semblance of a camp in my level range I gave up, everything was locked down

There are also people on reddit if you bother to look saying they are waiting on the new servers to play, because right now they dont feel like starting when the server is so bloated in the early level ranges. So that will add to the population as well.

When they split the servers, I assure you, there will still be plenty of people to play with and the servers will feel very alive... You just wont step on people every 3 feet.

Sure instancing is the way to the heart of the masses. That is nothing new. You have to understand good worlds are not built on equality. Some of us desire a real virtual world. It is very real and very desirable that the best players in a virtual world will have qualifications that are right for it. Why should someone achieve success in a competitive virtual world if he pouted and left the server because there were too many people? It has not stopped players from reaching level 30 already. The players on Reddit can join in a few months and they will be the level they deserve.

[ShivanAngel]

Sure instancing is the way to the heart of the masses. That is nothing new. You have to understand good worlds are not built on equality. Some of us desire a real virtual world. It is very real and very desirable that the best players in a virtual world will have qualifications that are right for it. Why should someone achieve success in a competitive virtual world if he pouted and left the server because there were too many people? It has not stopped players from reaching level 30 already. The players on Reddit can join in a few months and they will be the level they deserve.

Making a second server is hardly instancing.

In fact it is making it closer to 1999 if you want to make that argument. Servers in 1999 did not have this many people on them, at least not at first.

When games only cater to the top 1% they are alienating 99% of their playerbase. Grats on them for starting day 1 with a premade, Foregoing sleep to push levels and be "the best".

If there was a prize for being the best I would be less for the teal server, but when the only prize is "sitting in EC tunnel stroking their ego and showing off their leet pixels they farmed before everyone else". I wont lose any sleep over them losing out on that a touch.

This game is 20 years old, it has been beaten, broken and min maxed to the extreme. Let people have their fun and dont cater to the top 1% who want to stroke their egos imo. People forget that for most people this is a game, not a contest.

[ELance]

Making a second server is hardly instancing.

In fact it is making it closer to 1999 if you want to make that argument. Servers in 1999 did not have this many people on them, at least not at first.

When games only cater to the top 1% they are alienating 99% of their playerbase. Grats on them for starting day 1 with a premade, Foregoing sleep to push levels and be "the best".

If there was a prize for being the best I would be less for the teal server, but when the only prize is "sitting in EC tunnel stroking their ego and showing off their leet pixels they farmed before everyone else". I wont lose any sleep over them losing out on that a touch.


Well I'm only level 10, but you may have a point. I wouldn't let you design my game, but maybe they will.

This game is 20 years old, it has been beaten, broken and min maxed to the extreme.
Are you admitting you cheat and exploit the game? I don't see what that has to do with honest people. It certainly does not strengthen your qualifications though.

People forget that for most people this is a game, not a contest.

Not at all. This argument is as old as MMORPGs themselves. In Ultima Online when the multitude complained about PvP, they were told by Raph Koster or others that they could organize themselves to fight back against their oppressors. And what did they say? No I have not forgotten.

[ShivanAngel]

Are you admitting you cheat and exploit the game? I don't see what that has to do with honest people. It certainly does not strengthen your qualifications though.



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Where did I ever say that. I was simply stating/implying that we know all the strats, all the best leveling paths, where all the best items drop, how to best min max groups, we understand how exp works now, the list goes on.

Not sure how you got "cheat and exploiting" from that. guess i had to spell it out directly. Nice reach tho

[ELance]

Where did I ever say that. I was simply stating that we know all the strats, all the best leveling paths, where all the best items drop, how to best min max groups, we understand how exp works now, the list goes on.

Not sure how you got "cheat and exploiting" from that. guess i had to spell it out directly. Nice reach tho

I don't know any of that, and here you are speaking of other people that play too much. I had a level 55+ in 2002 and couldn't say where any of the items drop. I think I only camped three, and for all I confess I cheated to learn their whereabouts. How I got cheating and exploiting from that is because I played Project '99 now and then from the early days and watched players again and again looking at spoiler sites, maps, auction prices, statistics of creatures, quest spoilers, item information, etc. Because there is a long history of spoiler sites for Everquest as far back as '99. Because people who play online games are in general some of the worst cheaters on the face of the earth. And because from the way you put it, I thought you were also someone that looked at spoiler sites. If you are instead a master of the game then forgive me. But the principles of a good virtual world do not change no matter how many cheat or not. There is no solution to cheating in large online games. That is an individual choice a player makes. And it has been a part of them since at least Diablo in '96.

[GhostCow]

Did green ever get rebooted last night? I'm excitedly waiting for Teal

[ShivanAngel]

I don't know any of that, and here you are speaking of other people that play too much. I had a level 55+ in 2002 and couldn't say where any of the items drop. I think I only camped three, and for all I confess I cheated to learn their whereabouts. How I got cheating and exploiting from that is because I played Project '99 now and then from the early days and watched players again and again looking at spoiler sites, maps, auction prices, statistics of creatures, quest spoilers, item information, etc. Because there is a long history of spoiler sites for Everquest as far back as '99. Because people who play online games are in general some of the worst cheaters on the face of the earth. And because from the way you put it, I thought you were also someone that looked at spoiler sites. If you are instead a master of the game then forgive me. But the principles of a good virtual world do not change no matter how many cheat or not. There is no solution to cheating in large online games. That is an individual choice a player makes. And it has been a part of them since at least Diablo in '96.

Looking at sites that give mob statistics, locations, quest info, maps etc is NOT cheating...

It may be in your eyes, but the information is there and available and against no rules.

[PabloEdvardo]

Did green ever get rebooted last night? I'm excitedly waiting for Teal

I'm also wondering this. I was on until ~5AM CST and it hadn't been rebooted.

[Bazia]

please brogean dont make me spend another night in steamfont

[BlackBellamy]

It's happening right now.

[signgain82]

They're shutting down the server in 5 minutes as of right now, said it will take about 15 minutes. No mention of Teal, just said they we're restarting the server for maintenance.

[cheefpoker]

Did they say how long downtime was?

[Rysky]

^

[Kemikals]

Did they say how long downtime was?
Message said 15 mins

[ELance]

Looking at sites that give mob statistics, locations, quest info, maps etc is NOT cheating...

It may be in your eyes, but the information is there and available and against no rules.

So you are deeply envious or resentful of others achievements, you learn from spoiler sites what it took others days, weeks or even months to, and you are, by Bartle's law of short-termism, arguing for your own selfish ends.

And this is a person that supports this instancing.

[cheefpoker]

You mean friendly, well-adjusted people who others enjoy grouping with?

LOL someone isn't seeing my point. I'm friendly, I'm well-adjusted, so why do people promise me a spot in a group, just to give the spot to someone else 2 hours later. That's 2 hours of me waiting around for nothing. This has happened to me 5 times so far. Do you see where this can get annoying?

[Linkage]

Now you got us all down. Congratulations.

[ELance]

LOL someone isn't seeing my point. I'm friendly, I'm well-adjusted, so why do people promise me a spot in a group, just to give the spot to someone else 2 hours later. That's 2 hours of me waiting around for nothing. This has happened to me 5 times so far. Do you see where this can get annoying?

That is no reason for the owners to change the game for you.

[Linkage]

I couldn't care less about green or "teal". Why does Blue need to suffer?

[SunDrake]

I couldn't care less about green or "teal". Why does Blue need to suffer?

They are all very clearly the same, man.

[Linkage]

They are all very clearly the same, man.

Not to me man. I was playing happily on blue until this green garbage and now teal. I'm dead in the water. Really appreciate it.

[Baler]

It's happening right now.

https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

[Jamz Hopeslayer]

Very EXCITED!

[Linkage]

Yeah, it's wonderful. /sarcasm off

[Danne]

Not to me man. I was playing happily on blue until this green garbage and now teal. I'm dead in the water. Really appreciate it.

Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen

[Rysky]

Not to me man. I was playing happily on blue until this green garbage and now teal. I'm dead in the water. Really appreciate it.

Blue was created to work out the flaws for Green...soooooo maybe you should have made a solo class on blue? Or just join the crowd in total noob and crave that SWEET AC

[Rysky]

Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen

☠️

[Linkage]

Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen

I don't care if anyone's around. The server's down thanks to teal. But you can keep your sarcastic santimony to yourself, thanks.

[Skitzoh]

Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen

LOL 10/10

[Heimlander]

well deff lasting longer than 15 mins

[cheefpoker]

That is no reason for the owners to change the game for you.

I never asked for, nor expected a Teal server. Get your sh*t straight weirdo. I'm just making a statement. Plus, it was the Owners decision, they didn't have to do anything. But they did, didn't they? :cool:

Nice try though.

[Bazia]

this new server was like a birthday present to me pure bliss and it's turning everyone else into huge assholes

[Spock2020]

I learn that forums behavior and in game behavior is quite different don't loose hope

[Baler]

I learn that forums behavior and in game behavior is quite different don't loose hope

Forumquest and Everquest differ greatly but they're both a quest! :cool:
yeah people in game act more 'normal'.

[purpuru]

So you are deeply envious or resentful of others achievements, you learn from spoiler sites what it took others days, weeks or even months to, and you are, by Bartle's law of short-termism, arguing for your own selfish ends.

And this is a person that supports this instancing.

we did it, we found the most bad faith argument on the internet

the mental gymnastics one would have to go through to actually believe this.....

incredible

dude if i mail you my copy of eq titanium would you autograph it?

[Bazia]

anyone tell me how to use the move command, do i do it while logged into green?
or teal?

[Tamaska]

why is blue still down?

[Tlasan]

all servers are down

[Zaes]

Hmm so people are able to play both green and teal at the same time? That seems like an oversight

[Baler]

Servers are UP!

[Linkage]

Blue was created to work out the flaws for Green...soooooo maybe you should have made a solo class on blue? Or just join the crowd in total noob and crave that SWEET AC

You have so little comprehension ability that you didn't get the point? I apologize for confusing you.

[Bazia]

I'd just like to say this escalation of commitment from the staff is incredible and appreciated

[DaNecro]

PRAISE TUNARE for p99 staff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ELance]

we did it, we found the most bad faith argument on the internet

the mental gymnastics one would have to go through to actually believe this.....

incredible

dude if i mail you my copy of eq titanium would you autograph it?


Well true I could just point to the general person on this message board and say these are the people that support instancing. An argument is not needed; this would not be the kind of player I would have thought would play the oldest functional MMORPG on the Internet. With so many games where they can more effectively speak of feces and genitals in lowercase letters, I would have thought Everquest would have been unappealing to them. The overwhelmingly sour appearance or impression of this message board and my experience, on writing a few lines of my thoughts, and being pounced on like dogs by illiterates and savages, reflects very poorly on all the staff and owners here. That may seem an insult (to them, I would gladly insult you), but maybe it will enlighten them that the things we permit may come to bear on our name and reputation. I have never seen a more hideous place on Internet in my life. It reminds me of the Darkfall message boards, or the Youtube comment section. I would never have thought these were the people that play Project 1999. You are pushing it with the dude language though. Where did I give the impression I spoke to people like you? Be careful how familiar you are with strangers on the Internet. You are apparently illiterate and right now, to my mind, worse than dirt. As you never gave the impression you could communicate like a civilized person, though I did not at first intend to, I will killfile you. Your speech seems insincere and childish, and I have received more insults here in a few pages than I have in the last 10 years of my life, thus I am loathe to let another unhappy person lunge at me from shadows. I laugh at the boldness of people that openly insult others on the Internet. They certainly are few outside of it. Mental gymnastics? Well is it unreasonable to say that someone such as yourself, that shows plain signs of cowardice, would also support this hand-holding by the owners? Or perhaps you simply attack my words with no relations to the thread. You are here idly, maybe among your fellows. Ough! Begone! I am here to speak of the subject and nothing else. But after killfiling 15 vermin, I have truly grown weary of it, "First impressions count". You will never attract any good players to this game if they read your message boards first. This is shameful.

[Rysky]

Do you write books? I was hanging on to every word...��

[ELance]

It's nice to see the distribution is 1949 on green and 637 on teal. That is what I was hoping for. That is going to be a sorry server during off-hours, unless things change. Although I have no ill will towards the staff or owners, I would love to see teal go up in flames. I was hoping people would respond in a like way to green, but nope.

[Bazia]

thank christ for staff i actually got to play the game today

love yall

[Arakash]

Well true I could just point to the general person on this message board and say these are the people that support instancing. An argument is not needed; this would not be the kind of player I would have thought would play the oldest functional MMORPG on the Internet. With so many games where they can more effectively speak of feces and genitals in lowercase letters, I would have thought Everquest would have been unappealing to them. The overwhelmingly sour appearance or impression of this message board and my experience, on writing a few lines of my thoughts, and being pounced on like dogs by illiterates and savages, reflects very poorly on all the staff and owners here. That may seem an insult (to them, I would gladly insult you), but maybe it will enlighten them that the things we permit may come to bear on our name and reputation. I have never seen a more hideous place on Internet in my life. It reminds me of the Darkfall message boards, or the Youtube comment section. I would never have thought these were the people that play Project 1999. You are pushing it with the dude language though. Where did I give the impression I spoke to people like you? Be careful how familiar you are with strangers on the Internet. You are apparently illiterate and right now, to my mind, worse than dirt. As you never gave the impression you could communicate like a civilized person, though I did not at first intend to, I will killfile you. Your speech seems insincere and childish, and I have received more insults here in a few pages than I have in the last 10 years of my life, thus I am loathe to let another unhappy person lunge at me from shadows. I laugh at the boldness of people that openly insult others on the Internet. They certainly are few outside of it. Mental gymnastics? Well is it unreasonable to say that someone such as yourself, that shows plain signs of cowardice, would also support this hand-holding by the owners? Or perhaps you simply attack my words with no relations to the thread. You are here idly, maybe among your fellows. Ough! Begone! I am here to speak of the subject and nothing else. But after killfiling 15 vermin, I have truly grown weary of it, "First impressions count". You will never attract any good players to this game if they read your message boards first. This is shameful.

A sophist arguing against the Teal server, a mere infant of a play space in the venerable land of pretend. Of all things I never thought I'd see. Aradune should be proud.

[Tecmos Deception]

Can someone copypaste me the announcement or something? I wasn't ingame this evening, and I don't know if I'm missing a forum post or if there isn't one.

[Nilstoniakrath]

It's nice to see the distribution is 1949 on green and 637 on teal. That is what I was hoping for. That is going to be a sorry server during off-hours, unless things change. Although I have no ill will towards the staff or owners, I would love to see teal go up in flames. I was hoping people would respond in a like way to green, but nope.

This is actually pretty easy to explain. Those on green who have leveled up a bit want to stay because a higher population makes it easier to find groups. The real attraction for teal is at the very beginning, less populated starting zones are a higher priority.

[Gustoo]

It's a temporary server. It's not like it's going to be some orphan. Ezpz

[lesell]

I think teal is a great. Not sure why people think 600 is a 'ghost server' cuz it totally isnt. 600 is pretty standard for classic eq. (Edit: also, its not even been 1 day so I expect the numbers to go up)

2.3k population in peak is no where near classic. From memory, launch had 10k subscribers and at least 10 servers (I need to double check this, I've been looking at wayback machine but I can't get a definitive list of starting servers). The max a server could hold was about 1k (maybe 1.3k?) in classic. So even 600 people is quite a lot for classic EQ standards, to be honest. It may seem 'low' by todays standards, but it's pretty standard for classic EQ numbers.

On teal, I'm still seeing a lot of people around per zone, and am getting accepted easier into groups...it's easier to get things going, too. In Green, been lfg in WK for a while but they only want healers or tanks. So despite the higher population, I'm finding it harder to group on green, and actually... do anything. Crushbone is ridiculous on green right now, CB on teal is so nice, lots of groups going, there's a bit more of a sense of danger too, and less high-levels perma camping all the good stuff.

Sure, at the height of the EQ, subs were 60k, but that was post-Kunark, and the game had a TON of servers by that time, so the average was still about 1k per server... so I'm not sure why people think this will dilute the server too much. I remember playing post Kunark but pre Velious and I had no problems getting groups and it wasn't 40 people per zone, not at all. It was more like 20.

It will merge again anyway, but honestly, I am going to move all my toons over soon (just waiting on a few of my friends to decide). I think this was a good idea, kudos devs.

Also its not forever, anyway. It's just to alleviate the rush.

[magicfest2]

I've seen it asked/mentioned a ton of times now, but never answered -- is it intended for people to be able to play on both Green and Teal at the same time? Because I (and so far 100% of people I've seen state an opinion) thought it was obvious that it should NOT be allowed... Yet I've been "hearing" that it is, and that people are. As someone else just mentioned, I feel like that may have been an oversight? Can this be clarified officially? I'm not super concerned about negative effects due to lower pop on either, since they'll just merge them back together if the combined population drops too low... Being able to play both at the same time seems a bit lame tho. Only a matter of time until people are camping Manastone on both servers at once...

[Purplefluffy]

I predict that sever (re) merge will be incoming sooner than people think.

[Sinistria]

I think it is a great move if the staff listens to their guests and take care of them, specially since it's for free.

But:
I hat my problems finding a group sometimes, because it was to overcrowded or not enough people in a zone.
Also:
Many players have so high levels in only one week.
Doesnt sound that it is to hard to get exp at all.
Whatever my own opinion is, i will go on play on green and it is cool to see how the staff is working to keep as many people as possible satisfied.

Thank you for green.

[BlackBellamy]

I've seen it asked/mentioned a ton of times now, but never answered -- is it intended for people to be able to play on both Green and Teal at the same time? Because I (and so far 100% of people I've seen state an opinion) thought it was obvious that it should NOT be allowed... Yet I've been "hearing" that it is, and that people are. As someone else just mentioned, I feel like that may have been an oversight? Can this be clarified officially? I'm not super concerned about negative effects due to lower pop on either, since they'll just merge them back together if the combined population drops too low... Being able to play both at the same time seems a bit lame tho. Only a matter of time until people are camping Manastone on both servers at once...

The server rules couldn't be more explicit: You can box Blue and either Green or Teal. That's the only combination allowed.

[magicfest2]

The server rules couldn't be more explicit: You can box Blue and either Green or Teal. That's the only combination allowed.

That sounds great! But, I can't find that... I only saw it mentioned on the Green announcement, where it says (emphasis mine):

Boxing

As usual with all Project 1999 servers, boxing will NOT be allowed. However, as is currently the case with Blue and Red, you may play one character per server at the same time.

I would absolutely love if you were correct -- but I must be missing the place where it is explicit. Could you link to it or describe where I can find that?

[nectarprime]

Well true I could just point to the general person on this message board and say these are the people that support instancing. An argument is not needed; this would not be the kind of player I would have thought would play the oldest functional MMORPG on the Internet. With so many games where they can more effectively speak of feces and genitals in lowercase letters, I would have thought Everquest would have been unappealing to them. The overwhelmingly sour appearance or impression of this message board and my experience, on writing a few lines of my thoughts, and being pounced on like dogs by illiterates and savages, reflects very poorly on all the staff and owners here. That may seem an insult (to them, I would gladly insult you), but maybe it will enlighten them that the things we permit may come to bear on our name and reputation. I have never seen a more hideous place on Internet in my life. It reminds me of the Darkfall message boards, or the Youtube comment section. I would never have thought these were the people that play Project 1999. You are pushing it with the dude language though. Where did I give the impression I spoke to people like you? Be careful how familiar you are with strangers on the Internet. You are apparently illiterate and right now, to my mind, worse than dirt. As you never gave the impression you could communicate like a civilized person, though I did not at first intend to, I will killfile you. Your speech seems insincere and childish, and I have received more insults here in a few pages than I have in the last 10 years of my life, thus I am loathe to let another unhappy person lunge at me from shadows. I laugh at the boldness of people that openly insult others on the Internet. They certainly are few outside of it. Mental gymnastics? Well is it unreasonable to say that someone such as yourself, that shows plain signs of cowardice, would also support this hand-holding by the owners? Or perhaps you simply attack my words with no relations to the thread. You are here idly, maybe among your fellows. Ough! Begone! I am here to speak of the subject and nothing else. But after killfiling 15 vermin, I have truly grown weary of it, "First impressions count". You will never attract any good players to this game if they read your message boards first. This is shameful.

are you a bot or just a basement goblin?

[Jubal]

The early adopters who jumped on Teal last night are the classiest bunch of warrior-poets I've ever had the privilege of sharing an e-world with.

[Amyas]

Why split the community?

Because it is not fun to camp 1-3 spawns for hours.

[Deathrydar]

Because it is not fun to camp 1-3 spawns for hours.

If you can get 1-3 spawns. If you can get a single spawn....

[ShivanAngel]

Teal is amazing!!! Thanks devs.

Logged on and found a place to grind within a few minutes. (and not some off the wall single spawn on a 10 minute timer).

There are still 3 full groups in WK as opposed to 60 people. Things are feeling great!

[Gustoo]

OO 3 groups in WK sounds classic and great.

[BlackBellamy]

So it looks like we're running 2 to 1 population wise. Pretty sure it's never going to reach 1:1, but wondering how close the two will get in the longer while.

[Baluba]

When do we get Team PvP server, like the old Vallon Zek?

[Gustoo]

It literally doesn't matter. Teal is just there to help the server stabilize so people aren't killing 1 level 7 mob at a time.

[Gustoo]

When do we get Team PvP server, like the old Vallon Zek?

They were talking about a 2 team pvp server a long time ago. Red vs Blue custom rules.

Probably will be sullon zek no pvp level range, with hard coded teams. This is the best anti twink solution besides item loot. The hard coded teams mean that big boys from friendly team will defend lowbies. Or could.

[LegendZapp]

Level 2 Teal Druid here, LegendZapp.

I have a recommendation for staff to consider, with people's noted concerns about bottlenecking certain zem zones.

I have played on several emulated servers that implemented a daily shortlist of #hotzones. Each day it would randomly pick zones and add a +50% zem, and 1 zone add a +100% zem. The normal zem's were unaffected, guk and unrest are still dope af, it just makes less popular zones more viable and encourages new exploration, while not inhibiting the parts of our brains that compulsively desire that glorious 'ding' sound.

I am aware this is not classic, but as others have mentioned in this thread, the average player is knowledgable and not randomly wandering norrath, so this isn't an exact recreation of classic either.

[Ultragamma]

Green feeling super empty above level 15 now. Thanks Teal.

[Octopath]

Green feeling super empty above level 15 now. Thanks Teal.

9 am on a Thursday. People work.

[Pilgrimzero]

9 am on a Thursday. People work.

I logged in this morning at about 7:00 am cst and there was 8 people in GFay.

When I logged out 30 min later there was 15

[Octopath]

I logged in this morning at about 7:00 am cst and there was 8 people in GFay.

When I logged out 30 min later there was 15

Sounds good to me.

[brussel]

9 am on a Thursday. People work.

You can count on the fact that Ultragamma does not work. Aside from a bizarre notion of putting "work" into Everquest.

He even made a new forum account to continue the trolling, likely after he was ridiculed on his other account(s).

[xmaverickx1]

Bring out Luclin - Make Blue great again!

[Bazia]

Green feeling super empty above level 15 now. Thanks Teal.

1400 person server feels empty :rolleyes:

[Spock2020]

1400 person server feels empty :rolleyes:
Sounds like most people are still in starting zone.I know it's bad it's the bottleneck.

[magicfest2]

Still seeing people camping stuff on Green and Teal at the same time (self-admitted, assuming they weren't lying) and it's really lame. Pick one and play on it please. Really wish you actually had to choose...

[Ultragamma]

You can count on the fact that Ultragamma does not work. Aside from a bizarre notion of putting "work" into Everquest.

He even made a new forum account to continue the trolling, likely after he was ridiculed on his other account(s).

Not everyone works 9-5 bro, also not everyone lives in America.

Everyone who doesn't share your view is unemployed?

It was a struggle filling groups last night and the night before during "peak time" but please, keep hurling baseless insults at me because I don't think the server split was a good idea and have pointed out the negative effects, you fucking cretins.

[BlackBellamy]

Not everyone works, period. Lots of neckbeards can't comprehend that people of certain age have made bank and are trying to enjoy their leisure time.

[salimoneus]

It was a struggle filling groups last night and the night before during "peak time" but please, keep hurling baseless insults at me because I don't think the server split was a good idea and have pointed out the negative effects, you fucking cretins.

I think the positives outweigh the negatives. They fixed the main problem for the vast majority of players, in alleviating the extremely heavy saturation in the noob zones. I don't see the split lasting all that long, before the servers are merged.

The numbers also don't seem that far off, with around 1k players at peak time, for a new server in it's infancy.

The big difference here is that we probably had most people join up close to the start, where as back in the day players continued to gradually trickle in on a steady basis. So the split was really the only practical way to make it playable for the vast majority.

[Ultragamma]

I think the positives outweigh the negatives. They fixed the main problem for the vast majority of players, in alleviating the extremely heavy saturation in the noob zones. I don't see the split lasting all that long, before the servers are merged.

The numbers also don't seem that far off, with around 1k players at peak time, for a new server in it's infancy.

The big difference here is that we probably had most people join up close to the start, where as back in the day players continued to gradually trickle in on a steady basis. So the split was really the only practical way to make it playable for the vast majority.

Yeah im concerned we have hobbled the midgame on both servers in the name of there not being enough fire beetles for people who were likely going to quit before hitting level 20 anyway (a problem that solves itself naturally as player levels stratify).

Bearing in mind numbers of players on both servers will only decline over the coming months. In addition to that, you kno its gonna be a total shit show when/if they attempt a server merge, but thats another day.

[Ultragamma]

You can count on the fact that Ultragamma does not work. Aside from a bizarre notion of putting "work" into Everquest.

He even made a new forum account to continue the trolling, likely after he was ridiculed on his other account(s).

I've been streaming P99 EQ for years under this name and use this as my in game name, I just havent posted on the forums.

I think you might be the one whos lost.

[salimoneus]

Yeah im concerned we have hobbled the midgame on both servers in the name of there not being enough fire beetles for people who were likely going to quit before hitting level 20 anyway (a problem that solves itself naturally as player levels stratify).

Bearing in mind numbers of players on both servers will only decline over the coming months. In addition to that, you kno its gonna be a total shit show when/if they attempt a server merge, but thats another day.

It's true that it is a compromise, but a seemingly necessary one. Not much different than on live when they continuously opened new servers as the overall population grew. The game needs to be playable for those just starting, else they will leave and go play something else. At least if Sony wanted those subscription payments.

It's a better situation, at least temporarily, to have everyone with more than enough to keep them busy, rather than have many shuffling around at a snail's pace. A player can't really do anything to fix a lack of mobs, but on the flip side, a player CAN adjust to smaller group play and still keep plenty busy. And I think it mirrors the classic experience.

[Bazia]

shouldnt assume it will decline, i almost waited until planes were out to even start

theres almost no content in at this point in the timeline

[Purplefluffy]

After waiting a bit to make a comment on the split I would have to say that it is a lot harder to find a group and even in prime time. I think I preferred the server with a higher population. I think the reasoning used, that the GMs workload increased due to petitions and having to decrease spawn timers etc., was flawed. This is just my view mind.

[Middle]

YEP
Server is packed during - PEAK times
I logged in at 5AM and Black Burrow was already taken
* List for all the high $$$ items

[mantis502]

Why does my client now ask me to come to the forums and get a spell file when it didn't before? What do I do or where do I go for this file? :confused: :confused:

[kotton05]

After waiting a bit to make a comment on the split I would have to say that it is a lot harder to find a group and even in prime time. I think I preferred the server with a higher population. I think the reasoning used, that the GMs workload increased due to petitions and having to decrease spawn timers etc., was flawed. This is just my view mind.

Dude even with teals pop of 1000 or so it’s too much. If you can’t find a group that’s on you not the population.

[pink grapefruit]

the high population makes it harder to find a group lol, and the split helped with that some. everything is super camped and groups already going have their choice of replacement candidates.

[Spock2020]

If it's like tlp some people always find it hard to find group no matter what. Some because they play at very odd times other because they don't go right places. So there will always be some people complaining about finding groups.

[Gen.Alexander]

So there is like a two day delay between the first announcement and Teal actually going live. When exactly are transfers gonna turn off? Depending on which date we use as a starting point it can be anything from Nov 14 or Nov 17.

[PDX0621]

Why does my client now ask me to come to the forums and get a spell file when it didn't before? What do I do or where do I go for this file? :confused: :confused:

There may have been a new patch. If that's the case, go to the link below:

https://www.project1999.com/index.php

Click Project 1999 Patch Files (V52) at the top to download newist patch (if yours are out of date, mine seems to work fine). Copy and paste that into your program files (override the old ones) and hopefully you'll be good to go.

[mantis502]

There may have been a new patch. If that's the case, go to the link below:
...

Perfect. Thank you.

[LiQuid]

Any confirmation on the cutoff for /move to teal??? I've been holding it off as long as I can but don't want to go to sleep and find out /move just got disabled in the morning

[BlackBellamy]

I've been holding it off as long as I can but don't want to go to sleep

If you really wanted to play on Teal, you would have moved there right away. Stop fooling yourself. You're retarded, we're retarded, you're not going anywhere.

[Mercius]

anyone confirm /move is disabled? still seeing lots of "new" level 30s showing up on teal

[Albanwr]

anyone confirm /move is disabled? still seeing lots of "new" level 30s showing up on teal

We'll be told when its over.

[MrPanther]

We'll be told when its over.

Of course I find out my good friends from way back are playing green and I'm on Teal. We're like levels 12+ so not super high but at that point where it would be a massive SIGH if we had to reroll.

My two friends tried /move today and said it didn't work.... Did they seriously disable the move without an announcement? Hoping it's not too late to let them move to teal.

[Uuruk]

Of course I find out my good friends from way back are playing green and I'm on Teal. We're like levels 12+ so not super high but at that point where it would be a massive SIGH if we had to reroll.

My two friends tried /move today and said it didn't work.... Did they seriously disable the move without an announcement? Hoping it's not too late to let them move to teal.

They announced 2 weeks...its been over 2 weeks.

[Spock2020]

Or his friends create their character on green after teal open and never could /move.

[Gen.Alexander]

They announced 2 weeks...its been over 2 weeks.
It's not just 2 weeks after the announcement. Now it's two weeks after Teal actually went live.

[LiQuid]

If you really wanted to play on Teal, you would have moved there right away. Stop fooling yourself. You're retarded, we're retarded, you're not going anywhere.

The hell? I've moved since making that post... I was holding off because there are way less people on Teal at my level and I wanted to hit 50 on Green first (mission accomplished btw) and then because I needed to work out the logistics of moving some items from Green to Teal, but I got a guildie to help with that. Honestly don't know what you're on but pls share

[Uuruk]

The hell? I've moved since making that post... I was holding off because there are way less people on Teal at my level and I wanted to hit 50 on Green first (mission accomplished btw) and then because I needed to work out the logistics of moving some items from Green to Teal, but I got a guildie to help with that. Honestly don't know what you're on but pls share
You got 50 already? Your mom must be proud.

[BlackBellamy]

Honestly don't know what you're on but pls share

I'm on the "not enough information from you" to figure out why the mental gymnastics. Thanks for leaving!

[Gen.Alexander]

~15 days since Teal went live, even more since that thread was created. Seems weird to see no announcements regarding transfers deadline yet.

[Bazia]

more and more pouring into teal, why isnt it closed yet

[roj1]

Where can i find accurate info on teals spell/effect durations per level?

[drackgon]

Just joined Teal today with 3 friends:) Super glad I read this yesterday and found out Xfers still open!

[Bazia]

can i please go back to green

[Erati]

theyre still open?

shit I need to send more gear

[whitebandit]

can i please go back to green

[LoricL1222]

This must of not closed as people are still moving any update on when this really closes?

[BlackBellamy]

imho it will never close - it only affects characters created before teal opened and there's a very limited pool of those so why bother

[feanan]

imho it will never close - it only affects characters created before teal opened and there's a very limited pool of those so why bother

very limited number of people? oh, like the 2000 that were logged on to green before teal was released? lol

[Aibe Fromen]

Hey I can't seem to log in to any servers at this point, I keep getting a message saying there are certain files from the Titanium install that aren't quite right. I click the link to learn more only to be sent here where I find out that I'm not allowed to see the thread explaining it. Can anyone help?

[rayann562]

hi. can you assist me? i want to play p99. but have no idea how download it and from where. tia.