Some magician 24+ research recipes are missing

[Dolalin]

It looks like there are some gaps in 24+ mage research that will lead to broken research chains unless implemented.

Mythrian Tower archives have a few:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511051752/http://mythiran.allakhazam.com/mage.html

The rest are obvious from the patterns.


Recipes to be added:

Level 34:

Minor Conjuration: Earth (Trivial 122)
- Greater Conjuration: Earth
- Words of Duress
- Glove of Rallos Zek

Minor Conjuration: Water (Trivial 122)
- Greater Summoning: Water
- Words of Duress
- Flame of Vox


Level 39:

Lesser Conjuration: Earth (Trivial 142)
- Minor Conjuration: Earth
- Words of Convocation
- Glove of Rallos Zek

Lesser Conjuration: Water (Trivial 142)
- Minor Conjuration: Water
- Words of Convocation
- Flame of Vox


Level 44:

Conjuration: Fire (Trivial 162)
- Lesser Conjuration: Fire
- Words of Incarceration
- Breath of Solusek


Level 49:

Greater Conjuration: Earth (Trivial 182)
- Conjuration: Earth
- Words of Bondage
- Essence of Rathe

[Valion]

Hmm I'd be careful the 44 fire pet component should be the same as the 49 per our own wiki ie not Breath of Solusek but Breath of Ro Please test.

The old Tower page even lists the Broken Summon Heatstone spell that I fixed on the wiki several years ago.

The other look to be fine and I can add them to the wiki once implemented or someone lol.

[Dolalin]

Yes you're right, 44 should be Breath of Ro.

[Obrae]

Just curious, some mages are already getting to 40+ (very few now but give it a week and both server will have 50s of all class and tons of 40s)
How do they usually announce fix since this board we are reffered too never gets replied.

Words are rare enough it would be sad if people combine a recipe not in game.

[Dolalin]

Nilbog may already have put these in if I'm reading his comment correctly on the merchant thread where merchant era rules were set. At least I assumed he did, but if people are saying the recipes aren't in, it's prudent to flag it up.

[Obrae]

Nilbog may already have put these in if I'm reading his comment correctly on the merchant thread where merchant era rules were set. At least I assumed he did, but if people are saying the recipes aren't in, it's prudent to flag it up.

Roger

[Valion]

The recipes for the 39 Earth and Water pets are already in the wiki the missing recipes are Fire and Air.
It was late last night and I missed it.
I added all the missing recipes, It should be complete now from 24-49. My mage on blue is 45 and his skill is not high enough to test the 49's nor do I have the words.
Anyone care to double check the wiki? (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Research#Magician_Spell_Recipes)

Should I add an asterisk for the added recipes denoting Green/Teal marking them as vendor added later or something ? Maybe loramin can chime in ?

[Dolalin]

Probably best to confirm they work as a first step.

[Valion]

Meh they worked on live if the recipes are in game here they should work. If not add/fix them. I'm sure someone can do so. I do not have a high enough char not the materials on blue or elsewhere. if there is a test server just test buff a char and try them I've done what I can.

[Dolalin]

Yep I goofed, it's 34 air and fire that were missing ��

That's what I get for posting while feeding the baby.

[Obrae]

Yep I goofed, it's 34 air and fire that were missing ��

That's what I get for posting while feeding the baby.

39 :) We will get it.

[Dolalin]

Yes 39... You know what, you guys can own this one. :D I am clearly not on point today.

[john83]

mage cant research pets earch past 29 , fire past 34 , its wont let combine.

[nilbog]

I am looking into the exact recipes required to craft the 'missing' pet levels, to make ensure both the research components and trivials are correct.

However, I am having trouble finding specifics on the following combines:

Minor Conjuration: Earth 34
Minor Conjuration: Water 34
Lesser Conjuration: Air 39
Lesser Conjuration: Fire 39
Greater Conjuration: Earth 49

These are some tabs I have open:

http://www.watson.org/~wander/eq/spells.html (http://www.watson.org/~wander/eq/spells.html)
http://www.eqtraders.com/recipes/recipe_page.php?article=121&rsa=Spell%20Research&sb=item&sub=Magician&menustr=080105000000
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~guardian/res-mag.html
http://www.oocities.org/valmirvonreed/MageWord.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20010418055444/http://www.everlore.com/magic/magic.asp?list=10&mode=list

I see the wiki (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Research) lists components for these pet levels, but no source as to where the entries came from. (am I missing something here?)

The OP link (ttp://web.archive.org/web/200005110....com/mage.html) also doesn't provide recipes/components for these combines.

I am actively looking into this situation, so any additional research will help.

Thanks!

[RoguePhantom]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010123210700/http://eq.castersrealm.com/research/Magician/

[Obrae]

I am looking into the exact recipes required to craft the 'missing' pet levels, to make ensure both the research components and trivials are correct.

However, I am having trouble finding specifics on the following combines:

Minor Conjuration: Earth 34
Minor Conjuration: Water 34
Lesser Conjuration: Air 39
Lesser Conjuration: Fire 39
Greater Conjuration: Earth 49

These are some tabs I have open:

http://www.watson.org/~wander/eq/spells.html (http://www.watson.org/~wander/eq/spells.html)
http://www.eqtraders.com/recipes/recipe_page.php?article=121&rsa=Spell%20Research&sb=item&sub=Magician&menustr=080105000000
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~guardian/res-mag.html
http://www.oocities.org/valmirvonreed/MageWord.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20010418055444/http://www.everlore.com/magic/magic.asp?list=10&mode=list

I see the wiki (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Research) lists components for these pet levels, but no source as to where the entries came from. (am I missing something here?)

The OP link (ttp://web.archive.org/web/200005110....com/mage.html) also doesn't provide recipes/components for these combines.

I am actively looking into this situation, so any additional research will help.

Thanks!


I don’t think they existed, pets were put on merchant to fix this very soon after release when people got there and figured it out.

[Dolalin]

It looks like Mage research was... kinda fucked up, heh.

Here's a very old research guide I found on gameznet.com, it lists the following for mage recipes:


Spells marked with * can be purchased from a vendor
Spells marked GONE have been removed from the game, but still appear in research books
Magician Spells

Lvl Researched Item Component Component Component

Magalil’s Compendium Vol. 1

16 Summon Heatstone* Bloodstone Summon Element Scroll Words of the Element
16 Minor Summoning: Earth* Elemental: Earth Block of Ore Words of Tyranny
16 Minor Summoning: Water* Elemental: Water Shark Skin Words of Tyranny
16 Minor Summoning: Fire* Elemental: Fire Halas Heater Words of Tyranny
16 Minor Summoning: Air* Elemental: Air Aviak Feathers Words of Tyranny

Magalil’s Compendium Vol. 2

20 Lesser Summoning: Earth* Minor Summoning: Earth Topaz Words of Dominion
20 Lesser Summoning: Water* Minor Summoning: Water Ice of Velious Words of Dominion
20 Lesser Summoning: Fire* Minor Summoning: Fire Jade Words of Dominion
20 Lesser Summoning: Air* Minor Summoning: Air Pearl Words of Dominion
24 Cornucopia* Summon Food Loaf of Bread Words of Transcendence
24 Everfount Summon Drink Water Flask Words of Transcendence
24 Summon Coldstone* Summon Heatstone Eyes of Serilis Words of Sight
24 Summon Elemental: Earth Lesser Summoning: Earth Glove of Rallos Zek Words of Coersion
24 Summon Elemental: Water Lesser Summoning: Water Flame of Vox Words of Coersion

Telryd’s Writ

24 Summon Elemental: Mist Lesser Summoning: Air Scent of Marr Words of Duress
24 Summon Elemental: Flame Lesser Summoning: Fire Breath of Solusek Words of Duress
34 Nullify Magic* Cancel Magic Blood of Velious Words of Detection
39 Summon Mystic Dagger* Dagger Words of Collection
44 Summon Ring of Flight* Aviak Feather Words of Collection

Telryd’s Expansive Writ

29 Conjure Elemental: Earth Summon Elemental: Earth Essence of Rathe Words of Incarceration
29 Conjure Elemental: Water Summon Elemental: Water Tears of Prexus Words of Incarceration
29 Conjure Elemental: Flame Summon Elemental: Flame Breath of Ro Words of Bondage
29 Conjure Elemental: Mist Summon Elemental: Mist Wing of Xegony Words of Bondage



http://web.archive.org/web/19991002160851/www.gameznet.com/eq/EQResearch.doc

Compare the contents of Telryd's Expansive Writ to what Allakhazam has for it... it changed, probably around May when they were fixing research recipes.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=10162

It's possible these recipes simply weren't in the game until they were fixed/spells put on vendors. None of my early mailing lists have any spell recipes for mages over level 29 either.

[Dolalin]

Another link to corroborate the above: this must have been the first version of mage research before it was changed to what we know today.


Posted by Nixx on May 18, 1999 at 18:59:44:

In Reply to: Calling all Magicians!! posted by Xylon on May 18, 1999 at 18:52:50:

: Anyone out there know anything about OUR research??

: Desperate for any info on this!!!

:
: Thank you all..

:
: Xy.

Level 16

Water Elemental
Summon Water Elemental Scroll (level 12)
Shark Skin (purchased around Qeynos and Freeport docks or found on dead sharks)
Words of Tyranny (found on Scarecrow bodies)

Earth Elemental
Summon Earth Elemental Scroll (level 12)
Block of Ore
Words of Tyranny

Flame Elemental
Summon Flame Elemental Scroll (level 12)
Halas Heater (I think this is correct, my Old Euridan isn't the greatest)
Words of Tyranny

Mist Elemental (that's what they call the air elemental at this level, I guess)
Summon Air Elemental Scroll (level 12)
Aviak Feather
Words of Tyranny

Summon Heatstone
Summon Element Scroll (not sure what this is, maybe any level 12 elemental scroll?)
Bloodstone
Words of the Element

Level 24

Mist Elemental
Lesser Summoning Air
Words of Duress
The Scent of Marr (found on vendor in East Commons)

Earth Elemental
Words of Coercion
Gloves of Rallos Zed (found on Lizardmen)
Scroll of earth elemental (level 20)

Mages use: Words and other components in research

who da man? )

Nixx


http://web.archive.org/web/19990828041701/www.eq-online.com/forums/research/messages/22.htm

[Dolalin]

It's not random information: there may not have ever been 34, 39, and 49 earth recipes in the game, because they quite possibly were just put on vendors instead of being implemented in research at all.

For the record I don't think completely breaking the class spell progression for two months is very fair, even though it's pretty classic.

[Obrae]

Dolalin, you are pretty good at this. I don’t know if you can find it but i eas reading one of the link you provided when your first adressed the situtiin of pets by magician. In one of the thread, there is someone talking about what his friend that is working worh verant as a developper told him about the reason why magician had no pets/research working.

If i remember correctly, he posted that after the fix just to explain. It’s not very solid evidence but it explined that game had been release with magician not finished.

The 2 month delay before patch, we need to understand there wasnt guides to research back then, people probably tried tons of recipe until they figured or got told that it didnt exist.

In the thread i mention it is said the fix never mentionned that it did not exists, they have tried to hide the fact.

Anyway, i am hoping we can get to ply the magician class on a fresh server as intended before everyone gets to 50 and we miss out on some of the fun of early conquest. The merchant pet stayed because really the idea of strting all pets from the level 24 each time just is not viable.

Thx all, let’s hope we can resolve the issue.

Sorry for many spelling mistake not speaking english that well and i am atm on a very small phone.

[Dolalin]

Dolalin, you are pretty good at this.

I just download every single website and mailing list I can find onto my beefy work PC and grep against it. It's just the tools, really :D

I guess it's up to staff what solution they pursue, but the way I see it we have the following options:

1) Leave things as they are
2) Overhaul magician research right now to match those docs (laughably unrealistic imo)
3) Fill in the blanks in existing mage research with "unclassic" recipes but ones that make sense given the patterns << my proposal
4) Put spells back on vendors

[Obrae]

I just download every single website and mailing list I can find onto my beefy work PC and grep against it. It's just the tools, really :D

I guess it's up to staff what solution they pursue, but the way I see it we have the following options:

1) Leave things as they are
2) Overhaul magician research right now to match those docs (laughably unrealistic imo)
3) Fill in the blanks in existing mage research with "unclassic" recipes but ones that make sense given the patterns << my proposal
4) Put spells back on vendors

[Obrae]

I’ll chip in with my suggestion
I would do what they did faced with the same situation in 1999.
Add some pets, each tier. Magician Still have to research their pets to keep their versatility. But they can always Buy the previous tier to work the new combines.

It removes the 6 combines for a 49 pet
5 combines for 44, etc.

Brings Mage research on par with all other class.

It’s what they did at Verant faced with the dilema

[Obrae]

I’ll chip in with my suggestion
I would do what they did faced with the same situation in 1999.
Add some pets, each tier. Magician Still have to research their pets to keep their versatility. But they can always Buy the previous tier to work the new combines.

It removes the 6 combines for a 49 pet
5 combines for 44, etc.

Brings Mage research on par with all other class.

It’s what they did at Verant faced with the dilema

Just to clarify, 6 combines for 49 pets never happened cause the chain was broke. After 34. Recipe over 34 existed, pets were planned for 39, 44, 49 but the missing recipe stopped mages back then. Got fixed 2 month after release when it got confrned. It wss never like this by design.

[Obrae]

Shaman have better pets than us in our current Green reality haha :). Just saying

[nilbog]

I guess it's up to staff what solution they pursue, but the way I see it we have the following options:

1) Leave things as they are
2) Overhaul magician research right now to match those docs (laughably unrealistic imo)
3) Fill in the blanks in existing mage research with "unclassic" recipes but ones that make sense given the patterns << my proposal
4) Put spells back on vendors

That's the gist of it. I mostly wanted to make sure I wasn't missing the source of the research materials listed on the wiki (someone fabricated them I guess?).

Based on evidence so far, it seems the most classic solution is to add the (always?) uncraftable pet spells back on vendors. The unclassic part of that would be it took 13 days to change instead of the 2 months it took the original eq live developers.

[Obrae]

That's the gist of it. I mostly wanted to make sure I wasn't missing the source of the research materials listed on the wiki (someone fabricated them I guess?).

Based on evidence so far, it seems the most classic solution is to add the (always?) uncraftable pet spells back on vendors. The unclassic part of that would be it took 13 days to change instead of the 2 months it took the original eq live developers.

Yes exactly.
Although 2 month back then with «*not 20 years veterans*» of the game.

The way i understand it, its more 2 month to admit or realize the mistakes. Because i guess people had to do a lot of in game testing to finally figure what was going on. Those 2 34 pet available probably caused confusion.

[Dolalin]

It looks like all mage pets past 29 were uncraftable until May 99, and even some of those recipes were broken.

I wouldn't seek to emulate this myself, nobody would play a mage.

I can get behind putting them back on vendors.

[nilbog]

to add the (always?) uncraftable pet spells back on vendors.

Fixed, pending update

Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Air
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Fire
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Water

[randal.flagg]

Fixed, pending update

Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Air
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Fire
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Water

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[randal.flagg]

Its worth noting that the level 44 fire pet (conjuration: fire) is likely unable to be crafted as well.

EDIT: you already had greater conjuration earth on there.

[Pozzey]

Fixed, pending update

Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Air
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Fire
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Water

OMG OMG OMG OMG

[john83]

Its worth noting that the level 44 fire pet (conjuration: fire) is likely unable to be crafted as well.

EDIT: you already had greater conjuration earth on there.

and gonna be the same with 49 Earth Greater Conjuration: Earth

[nilbog]

Its worth noting that the level 44 fire pet (conjuration: fire) is likely unable to be crafted as well.

EDIT: you already had greater conjuration earth on there.

At the moment? Yeah.

Considering Conjuration: Fire requires Lesser Conjuration: Fire as a component, you will not have the materials. However, I just combined this on my development server using Breath of Ro, Words of Incarceration, and Lesser Conjuration: Fire.

So, when it's patched, the recipe works properly.

[Pozzey]

Fantastic news - thanks for working on this. I know its not classic but this makes so much sense. When can we expect this?

[Obrae]

To add to the dilema, i went and tried the 34 combine which is trivial at 122 with 105 skill.

It did not just fail. The message we get is you lack the skill to combine. Seems like we can't even succeed if not at least trivial of skill ?

Usually i get the message you have failed to create...

There was so much wrong with this whole thing

[john83]

At the moment? Yeah.

Considering Conjuration: Fire requires Lesser Conjuration: Fire as a component, you will not have the materials. However, I just combined this on my development server using Breath of Ro, Words of Incarceration, and Lesser Conjuration: Fire.

So, when it's patched, the recipe works properly.

Please check the 49 earth pet also.

[Obrae]

At the moment? Yeah.

Considering Conjuration: Fire requires Lesser Conjuration: Fire as a component, you will not have the materials. However, I just combined this on my development server using Breath of Ro, Words of Incarceration, and Lesser Conjuration: Fire.

So, when it's patched, the recipe works properly.

Perfect we can always have to craft that even if its never been a real option. In the original fix, its also added to merchant. I remember just raising my blue mage and 44 i was forced to get fire pet from merchant, only one that was available at that level.

[nilbog]

Please check the 49 earth pet also.

Fixed, pending update

Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Air
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Fire
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Water

:confused:

Perfect we can always have to craft that even if its never been a real option. In the original fix, its also added to merchant. I remember just raising my blue mage and 44 i was forced to get fire pet from merchant, only one that was available at that level.

Not sure what you're trying to say.

[bthomsen0312]

Fixed, pending update

Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Air
Spell: Lesser Conjuration: Fire
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Earth
Spell: Minor Conjuration: Water

Correct me if im wrong - but theres no 44 pet on this list correct?

[john83]

Sorry Nilbog , i missed it :)

and yeah , 44 pets are Conjuration: Earth , etc. not lesser minor or greater.

[john83]

and last question , when we can expect this patch ?

[Obrae]

:confused:



Not sure what you're trying to say.

The fix that came in classic, each tier got at least 1 pet on merchant, 44 was fire

[soronil]

The fix that came in classic, each tier got at least 1 pet on merchant, 44 was fire

That should still happen on the May 99 patch

[soronil]

To add to the dilema, i went and tried the 34 combine which is trivial at 122 with 105 skill.

It did not just fail. The message we get is you lack the skill to combine.

That's the message for a failed combine for any tradeskill dude....

"You lacked the skills to fashion the items together."

At your skill level you had a 0.65% success rate to make that spell... pretty low.
Even "trivial" does not mean "low failure" chance, it just means you won't get skill ups.
You need a skill of around 135 to make a level 34 spell with max 95% chance success rate, which requires level 42. That kinda sucks and means that if you wanna make your own spells you're gonna have to eat some failures, but that is classic.

[Obrae]

That's the message for a failed combine for any tradeskill dude....

"You lacked the skills to fashion the items together."

At your skill level you had a 0.65% success rate to make that spell... pretty low.
Even "trivial" does not mean "low failure" chance, it just means you won't get skill ups.
You need a skill of around 135 to make a level 34 spell with max 95% chance success rate, which requires level 42. That kinda sucks and means that if you wanna make your own spells you're gonna have to eat some failures, but that is classic.

Yesterday i was getting: you have failed to fashioned ... blue message.
Maybe 105 was just too low

[supermonk]

and last question , when we can expect this patch ?

based off my experience with patches, they are far and few inbetween and happen in batches, like IP exemptions. i say maybe 1-3 months.

[Obrae]

based off my experience with patches, they are far and few inbetween and happen in batches, like IP exemptions. i say maybe 1-3 months.

Hopefully its not just a fluke :) But i have no idea what it takes to implement such a change. Would be nice to be able to progress mages are slowly getting to 40 (not 50 like other classes...) but you know, according to these forums MAges are so powerful that blue server is 95% mages...

Funny how mages are only coth bitches on blue. Too powerful ;)

[randal.flagg]

I think they can edit merchant spells w/o even restarting the server. This may be in sooner than the next patch.

[Obrae]

I think they can edit merchant spells w/o even restarting the server. This may be in sooner than the next patch.

It would be great i am way past my time to have a new pet and out of mats. Evn 34 would be pretty low now.

[Obrae]

and last question , when we can expect this patch ?

Anyone have an idea on this ?

[Obrae]

Anyone have an idea on this ?

WTB 39th pet

Would be nice to be able to buy off gm if the fix cant be done for time or other constraint. Just a suggestion.

[alternn]

Yeah, was a major buzzkill to be SO excited to get the 39 words and find out I can't craft any level 39 pet, just a few minutes ago. An eta on the patch would be super appreciated.

Thanks for all you do

[Obrae]

Yeah, was a major buzzkill to be SO excited to get the 39 words and find out I can't craft any level 39 pet, just a few minutes ago. An eta on the patch would be super appreciated.

Thanks for all you do

Yeah when he said "instead of 2 month it would be 13th days" i hope its just not a fail implement and we are waiting for no reason while they think its fixed. Cause we are at 16 days now. and many magician are passed 39

Also if the team wants to maintain research only which was never a thing past 34. And we go the custom route, the drop rate need a major adjust,

[randal.flagg]

Yeah when he said "instead of 2 month it would be 13th days" i hope its just not a fail implement and we are waiting for no reason while they think its fixed. Cause we are at 16 days now. and many magician are passed 39

It's likely just going out w/ other fixes. Nilbog has stated that, "It's really easy to update era merchant rules", so I doubt very much it's been a mistake. I dont know what their deployments are like, but i'm assuming there are other fixes they are trying to push as well.

[john83]

as a 50 mage im really looking into this patch ETA , i cant solo anything appropriate level with 34 weak pets thats do exactly nothing and thats realy weird. i beg you to fix that problem. mage class is completely broken without core element of the class.
Thank you.

[Obrae]

too bad it took that long and at first it was just funnier to laugh at us than actually listening. At least its coming now.

Not like we havent warn them day 1... even before that when rumor arose between beta and release

[brokenkiller]

Was really hoping to see a patch with this in this last weekend :(. Going to shelve my mage for now until this goes in I think. Not sure how you all did 40+ with 34 pet but more power to you lol.

[randal.flagg]

Are you happy classic purists?

You've made many mages cry the saltiest tears, including myself!

[Obrae]

Are you happy classic purists?

You've made many mages cry the saltiest tears, including myself!

Hihi

[Obrae]

Was really hoping to see a patch with this in this last weekend :(. Going to shelve my mage for now until this goes in I think. Not sure how you all did 40+ with 34 pet but more power to you lol.

The game community is way better than the forum community, they sympathize and help.

[turbosilk]

I recommend stopping at 34 or 35 because strength really falls off when you are using the 29 pet. Or stop at 39 tops.

[Obrae]

It's just too bad the whole crew went missing.
apparently we were not allowed to play the magician class at release, only that one. we had to play a weakened version, oh well

[WaffleztheAndal]

It's just too bad the whole crew went missing.
apparently we were not allowed to play the magician class at release, only that one. we had to play a weakened version, oh well

They'll get to it, I'm sure they are extremely busy between everything going on with green/teal and their actual jobs. I'll bitch about the problem itself but the staff are fantastic and deserve recognition for what they do.

[Obrae]

They'll get to it, I'm sure they are extremely busy between everything going on with green/teal and their actual jobs. I'll bitch about the problem itself but the staff are fantastic and deserve recognition for what they do.

they have my recognition, but they have put this problem in volontarely against all advices. I will certainly be critic about it expecially since even without patch, gm could have been given the go to hand the spell upon reaching 39, 44, 49 patch can come in a year for all i care

[randal.flagg]

they have my recognition, but they have put this problem in volontarely against all advices. I will certainly be critic about it expecially since even without patch, gm could have been given the go to hand the spell upon reaching 39, 44, 49 patch can come in a year for all i care

This isn't exactly accurate. There was a vocal minority, who was TECHNICALLY correct. Mages were broken @ launch and there is evidence of that.

[Obrae]

Yeah i know, we just went from wanting to recreate the classic 3 years experience to reproducing broken mechanics. Anyway... i am a group mage, dosent affect me as much.

[brokenkiller]

Is there anyway we could get some update on when this patch might be out? I really appreciate all you do and the chance to get to do it but could use a little morale booster here for my broken class :).

[mzl0011]

Here are several examples of recipes I have found. I have tested but doesnt work.

I keep seeing where 39 pet did not use a previous 34 spell as the combine recipe, 44 uses 39 and 49 uses 44.

Example 1:

http://magecompendium.com/research-library.html

Example 2:

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~guardian/res-mag.html

Example 3:

http://forum.magecompendium.com/tower/viewtopic.php?t=3307

Not sure if this helps any at all or not.

[randal.flagg]

Example 2:

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~guardian/res-mag.html


This illustrates the problem perfectly. The 34 earth/water recipe doesn't exist, nor does the 39 fire/air.

Also this is resolved and waiting for the devs to patch in. If you read the previous posts you can see that nilbog intends to add the necessary spell scrolls to merchants.

[Obrae]

So about those broken recipe, anyway to get a quick fix those max level 29 pets are getting really old.

[Bazia]

im in highkeep right now and over half the zone is exclusively mages, apparently they are working good enough

[Obrae]

im in highkeep right now and over half the zone is exclusively mages, apparently they are working good enough

what you mean 34 mages have 34 level pet scroll that are available in the game atm ?
You are a genius, also we can all do /who all highkeep and unless there are 10-15 anon mage, half the zone is not mages.

[Obrae]

Bazia, i saw a level 4 mage with a level 6 pet and it worked fine too. I guess mages are fine.

But if you want to undestand, 34 lvl pet scroll is the last available all the way to 50. That pet as a max level of 29. It wont stop us from leveling, its still a broken mechanic. I am not really certain why you react liek this, jealousy at pixels ? i don't know. You are free to make a magician you know ?

[Telin]

This will be fixed whenever the patch goes in. There’s nothing else to add here, moving to resolved.

[brokenkiller]

Can you really move it to resolved when it's still broken? I think it would be good to move after the patch is in but currently it's broken, not resolved right?

[Telin]

Can you really move it to resolved when it's still broken? I think it would be good to move after the patch is in but currently it's broken, not resolved right?

There is no need for further testing or feedback. We always move bugs to resolved when they’re simple fixes. This thread has morphed into a discussion thread, and we don’t want to clutter bug threads with conversation.

[randal.flagg]

Can you really move it to resolved when it's still broken? I think it would be good to move after the patch is in but currently it's broken, not resolved right?

JESUS christ give these guys a break man. They have acknowledged the problem, come up with a solution. Nilbog said it was fixed pending an update. When working on large projects its, OFTEN, not as simple as, "OK! Fix is in, lets push it live!".

Depending on how these guys work, there are many other changes/fixes going into this patch that are/were already in progress.

They are clearly not willing to comment on the timeline of this release or would have done so already.

[brokenkiller]

Wow Randal someone forgot to drink their coffee or something. Chill out man, is that really necessary?

[randal.flagg]

Sorry man i'm sick of people jumping on these volunteers

[WaffleztheAndal]

Sorry man i'm sick of people jumping on these volunteers

This.

[Magnatic]

I actually wish that instead of ignoring it, they responded, saying :

"We are not going to comment on when we will patch."

or

"We are keeping with original timeline."

It just feels bad =).

[randal.flagg]

They've already said, "Fixed, pending update".

This is the same response they are giving to other fixes that need to be made before the timeline. (such as sol a quest items being in game when they shouldn't be).

[Obrae]

Nothing as been resolved. it's not fix, it is a big farce tho.

[Pozzey]

Nothing as been resolved. it's not fix, it is a big farce tho.

Class discrimination.

But ... Free server.

[mzl0011]

I am at a point now where I hope they dont patch it soon. I am over the hump and on the final stretch. For my own sanity and all the hours I have logged soloing two level 35 mobs....i want to get 50 before the patch. I think once I hit 49 with a bigger nuke I can push through to 50 faster.