Tesch Val Scrolls Exp Amount 50% Lower

[Castle2.0]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Tesch_Val_Scrolls

I am not sure if this was an accident or put in as a solution for first 30 days of Kunark and accidentally left in when superseded by 30-day exp ban, but.... scroll exp is 50% of pre-Kunark amounts.

I tested on 51 DEF ENC. 1 yellow took 19 scrolls before Kunark, but now it takes 40.

Tested DEF ENC at [Wed Dec 09 01:59:12 2020] EST

I tested on 41 HFL DRU. 1 yellow took 5 scrolls before Kunark, but now it takes 10.

Tested HFL DRU at [Wed Dec 09 02:42:09 2020] EST

I also talked to Artelius Longwood. He had similar results of 50% less experience at levels 53/54 on HUM RNG.

[Castle2.0]

I posted in another bug forum on accident. This is the correct one.

[Telin]

This is an intentional change. It should be a more accurate representation of the classic experience reward.

[Castle2.0]

Can you please share the source that shows the experience reward for Tesch Val Scrolls Quest was different in classic than what is has been on P99?

[Dildy]

Please share your source with us Telin. Thank you.

Artelius Longwood

[Xersius]

Buying your way to max level was not an everquest original intention. Reducing scroll exp is thus in line with classic everquest

[Castle2.0]

Buying your way to max level was not an everquest original intention. Reducing scroll exp is thus in line with classic everquest
I camped a lot of my scrolls :) Getting levels using quests is classic. Are you going to nitpick "classic" and "widespread classic usage." Binding at firepots is classic, but wasn't "widespread classic usage."

Also, your statement is wrong anyhow.

Classic had people selling powerlevels and so does P99. Should we ban the sale of powerleveling?

This line of thinking breaks into a much larger debate, which would be better organized in another thread.

This thread is about a bug. The experience given by scrolls has changed. Artelius and myself, and I imagine others, are curious as to the source of this change.

I'm sure the Devs have a source and so they made the change. It wouldn't make sense to change a longstanding precedent on a whim without a source showing the scroll exp was XYZ in classic.

[Telin]

Of course most sources are subjective comments gathered from Everlore archives under the quest sections in both qeynos and south karana, as well as under bestiary for the gnolls. I also read every comment from zam and Google groups.

Unfortunately there was only one comment that specifically mentioned how much experience was earned at level 23. That was the basis of the calculation I used. I’ll have to dig up link later.

There was never a comment that suggested this quest had noteworthy experience. Which was certainly not the case on p99. That is often all we have to work with. If anyone finds additional evidence that the experience was substantially higher, I’ll gladly adjust.

[Castle2.0]

Thanks. Looking forward to checking it out.

[Castle2.0]

Found it. https://web.archive.org/web/20030228224515/http://everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=184420

It's interesting because he isn't sure and the the UI then didn't have a blue bar. If he got 1/2 a bub of exp instead of 1/3 it would have been easy to miss.

There is an 11% cap on exp events, which means the most exp you can get is 1/2 bub per exp event.

It's unfortunate we don't have any level 30+ sources. That's when gnoll scrolls stop hitting the 11% max and you can actually see the full amount of exp it gives.

[Castle2.0]

Also, the original quest is turning in 4 scrolls for 1 item. It's an item quest. With the already scant amount of posts made about the quest, it's not surprising people aren't commenting on the exp.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Question for Telin:

What is the raw exp number for scrolls now?

[Dildy]

The reason there is little evidence about the experience is people would turn the scrolls in for the gem inlaid gauntlets instead, since they were more valuable than a +5 STA earring.

[Telin]

Also, the original quest is turning in 4 scrolls for 1 item. It's an item quest. With the already scant amount of posts made about the quest, it's not surprising people aren't commenting on the exp.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Question for Telin:

What is the raw exp number for scrolls now?

I can’t give you raw numbers, but your point is correct—there was no evidence experience was far greater than quests of similar effort.

[Castle2.0]

Since this is a pretty big change -- 50% nerf to a popular quest -- can the players get patch notes please?

We saw the destruction no patch notes for suspending quest exp was: people were turning stuff in and getting it eaten.

I think patch notes for this would help the average joe who isn't deep into the bug section like some of us.

[BarackObooma]

Telin, was quest experience nerfed to 1/2 (or whatever it is) equally across the board to several/most/all quests or is the gnoll scroll an isolated incident?

[yyrkoon]

your point is correct—there was no evidence experience was far greater than quests of similar effort.

the dunks lmao

[Solemnus]

I can’t give you raw numbers, but your point is correct—there was no evidence experience was far greater than quests of similar effort.

1) I wouldn't really call gnoll scrolls low effort, not innately. I mean you can solo it easily enough but the quest is only really good for a particular few classes without outside help, mostly wizards and druids since they can gate one way and port the other. Gnoll scrolls for a solo warrior would be utterly useless because no one is going to slow-run through all the karanas to do it.

With this in mind I could see the exp reward being higher than average, the devs aiming it as more of a long-journey hand in than something they expected to be repeated.

2) Given the dubiousness of the source that the change was based on (primarily the fact that the person was like 10 levels lower than the quest mobs, so his xp was certainly capped), I'm curious, what was the gnoll scroll xp based off of previously and why is that no longer valid?

[Castle2.0]

I'm curious, what was the gnoll scroll xp based off of previously and why is that no longer valid?

This is an excellent question, so I am quoting it to bump it up for Telin to see and answer.

[Telin]

There’s no documentation on what the old numbers were based on. So we had to start from scratch. So far nothing has been found describing this quest’s experience as noteworthy. So we err on the conservative side until it’s proven otherwise. That’s how most things are handled on p99.

[Dildy]

There’s no documentation on what the old numbers were based on. So we had to start from scratch. So far nothing has been found describing this quest’s experience as noteworthy. So we err on the conservative side until it’s proven otherwise. That’s how most things are handled on p99.

The reason there is such little information is because the scrolls are also used for the Gem Inlaid Gauntlets quest, which provided a far superior quest reward to lowbies at the time and sold for 100-300pp on servers, which was a considerable amount of platinum back then. I am highly disappointed you took one excerpt of someone who “thinks” they got 1/3 a bub of exp at lvl 23. What class was this person? Maybe they were a troll shadowknight with a 67% experience penalty? If we’re being conservative erring on the side of caution I’d suggest the exp to be bumped up to ~170k per scroll at the bare minimum.

Still doing research with very little luck, until then.

Artelius