Mage pets hitting for less after patch

[Burmecia]

My Fire pet (max level 23, level 24 spell) should be hitting for 26, but it's only hitting for 23 since the patch. I know it's max level because its DS and Nuke do the proper damage. Whispered other magicians and they've noticed the same.

EDIT: Spoke to a level 30 magician, their pet is actually hitting for more than it should

EDIT: Someone told me their pet hit chance was lower, but I don't really have a good way to test this myself

[Sabin76]

As someone who contributed a great deal to the Magician page on the wiki I can tell you that those numbers were taken from p99 and are not meant to be a statement on what was #Classic.

If the devs found evidence that those numbers were wrong and have patched in the appropriate amounts, then it is not a bug.

That said, I'd be curious to see what that evidence is...

[Sabin76]

As someone who contributed a great deal to the Magician page on the wiki I can tell you that those numbers were taken from p99 and are not meant to be a statement on what was #Classic.

If the devs found evidence that those numbers were wrong and have patched in the appropriate amounts, then it is not a bug.

That said, I'd be curious to see what that evidence is...

...because GV: H2O hitting for 60 max is... uhh...

[Dolalin]

In-era mage pet hit/hp table is here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010701041204/http://www.magecompendium.com/Pets/Pet_Statistics.htm

24th fire pet (actual pet lvl 23) should be hitting for 24dmg according to that.

Edit: and GV hitting for 60 max is correct

[Sabin76]

Well, that explains the Epic pet's in-era damage, then...

Wonder why it wasn't called out in the patch notes?

But why were the spell levels reverted back (only hearing about this, haven't had a chance to get in game yet)? I thought we had settled that one?

[Burmecia]

In-era mage pet hit/hp table is here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010701041204/http://www.magecompendium.com/Pets/Pet_Statistics.htm

24th fire pet (actual pet lvl 23) should be hitting for 24dmg according to that.

Edit: and GV hitting for 60 max is correct

The info on most of those tables isn't even complete. Not even close to being a trusted source.

[Burmecia]

I'd like to see the "source" if any

[Vaarsuvius]

This "let's screw magicians some more" trend is getting old...

Not only pet summoning aggro had yet to be fixed despite several bug reports, but our pets that don't allow us to solo at higher level have got yet another ninja nerf? Seriously?

On the one hand Melee rejoice, no more uber mage pets out dpsing you guys (good one).

On the other hand, keep looking away when any 50+ enchanter charm a rog pet that will only hit twice as hard as a pre nerf OP 60 mages pet....

So according to that link you provided (WAR 54+ Air pets ? Muhahahaha yeah right), the only upgrade from 51-55 pets to 57-60 ones would be +2 max dmg and a few hps? Can't wait to log back on my gimped mage...

Here's a link to magician pets stats

https://www.eqmagetower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4192

Hope that helps, we'll if the Magician Tower is to be considered a trusted source of information of course /sarcasm off

[Dolalin]

The table got filled out more in the first months of Luclin, i just gave the latest page in era.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020810023332/http://magecompendium.com/Pets/Pet_Statistics.htm

[Dolalin]

Here's a link to magician pets stats

https://www.eqmagetower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4192

Hope that helps, we'll if the Magician Tower is to be considered a trusted source of information of course /sarcasm off

You know that thread is from 2017 right?

[Vaarsuvius]

You know that thread is from 2017 right?

You know the Magician Tower has been around regrouping all magicians and knowledge about Everquest for ages? It was already the best place to go to when I stared playing a mage on Live with Kunark

Never mind then, let's nerfs magicians

[Dolalin]

I know more than you think. I also know that pet damage was buffed in/after Luclin so the values you see on those forums aren't what they were in the old days.

[Skincrawler]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010519195501/http://www.mypetmage.com/

Is this just as credible a source? It was linked to from the site you provided for the other chart and is dated before luclin. If you check under spells and click on any of the different pets he lists the different max values for the GV pets and suggests at least earth and air were capable of hitting for 70.

Leavin the wrong stuff up, I realized he just mentions the spells, not the actual pets at all.

[Burmecia]

Not a single admin response either. Just a stealth nerf with no communication. Well, true colors shown just in time for Mischief TLP I guess.

[Dolalin]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010519195501/http://www.mypetmage.com/

Is this just as credible a source? It was linked to from the site you provided for the other chart and is dated before luclin. If you check under spells and click on any of the different pets he lists the different max values for the GV pets and suggests at least earth and air were capable of hitting for 70.

Leavin the wrong stuff up, I realized he just mentions the spells, not the actual pets at all.

From that site:


Earth Elemental Strike (Levels 50+)

Spell name: Root

Damage: 11 dmg (level 1) up to 70 (level 60)

https://web.archive.org/web/20010519195501/http://www.mypetmage.com/


It's talking about the Earth root spell, it's a copy paste from EQCaster.

I linked to another post from just after Kunark release showing these pet damage numbers were classic:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3301801&postcount=23

There are probably more out there but that's the first that popped up.

[Amyas]

I really hope this get changed back I have been leveling for new mage on red and was not happy when I logged into this.

[OldMan62]

So wandering after they nerf patched mag pets again do nec pet now hit harder then mag pets?

[Croco]

grats on coth bot status! p99 hates mages for some reason

[Dolalin]

For future reference, mage/necro pets were buffed in the May 9th, 2002 patch in Luclin:


MAY 9, 2002

* Addressed a balance issue with high end Magician and Necromancer pets by improving them. (Half of this change went live last night but was missed in the previous patch message.)

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020509.html


This is when high end mage/necro pets had their max hits raised into the 70s.

That mage pets were hitting for this much on P99 was some Luclin leaking into the server.

[Jimjam]

^
Forgetting to mention pet changes in patch notes:

Verdict?

Classic!