View Full Version : Game Mechanics: Faction hits being listed differently, typo or bug?
tadkins
08-12-2021, 05:25 PM
My druid atm is undertaking a quest to become friendly with as many factions as possible. That includes Neriak because I am weird. :)
Right now he's level 26 and at a good level to start killing the rogue dwarf guards at the ruined tower in Butcherblock, to get started on my Neriak rogue guild faction. I noticed something off though when I killed my first guard.
https://i.imgur.com/SYwmnRk.jpg
His faction hit was listed as "EbonMask" got better. I could have sworn that I had seen that faction listed as "Hall of the Ebon Mask" before, so I logged off and immediately made two rogues to turn their notes in, a dwarf and a dark elf. These were the dialogues/faction hits I got.
https://i.imgur.com/qDffbNm.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/xs27now.png?1
So they are definitely registering as "Hall of the Ebon Mask" with the first one being the exact reverse of the hits you get from killing the guard. I just need to know if this is simply a typo or if in fact the guard faction hits are actually registering as some unknown faction. Only making sure of this before I go further and dig a faction pit I'll have to work on later for absolutely nothing.
tadkins
08-14-2021, 12:58 AM
Sorry for the bump, but I'm genuinely curious about this issue, and whether it is actually one. Just need to know if I'd be wasting my time grinding faction with the Neriak rogue guild off those dwarves.
nilbog
08-14-2021, 12:14 PM
Years ago there was another bug report about Ebon Mask when npcs and scripts were changed from EbonMask -> HalloftheEbonMask, because the majority of npcs were on HalloftheEbonMask.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2089164
Based on your bug report, I did some more queries and found 2 npcs which still gave faction adjustments towards EbonMask, despite there being no npcs actually having the primary faction of EbonMask. I have changed these to HalloftheEbonMask. I also looked into any quests which might adjust EbonMask.
There is confusion on the allakhazam page about whether or not both factions did exist.
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/faction.html?faction=321
That being said, I don't think HalloftheEbonMask was ever actually real. I can't find any research pointing to an actual source.
However, I do see in-era research for EbonMask:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010522082131/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary/beastdetails.asp?mode=show&BID=274806
https://web.archive.org/web/20010512205143/http://www.tokyo2001.com/game/eq/bbs/pslg954.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20001202072600/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum12/HTML/001808.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010223045255/http://www.tokyo2001.com/game/eq/quest/neriak/neriak05.html
What I think should probably happen is to rename HalloftheEbonMask to Ebon Mask and EbonMask to HalloftheEbonMask. All the npc factions and quest factions will be aligned to EbonMask with little effort.
If anyone has an in era screenshot or log mentioning 'HalloftheEbonMask', post it up.
tadkins
08-14-2021, 04:34 PM
Years ago there was another bug report about Ebon Mask when npcs and scripts were changed from EbonMask -> HalloftheEbonMask, because the majority of npcs were on HalloftheEbonMask.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2089164
Based on your bug report, I did some more queries and found 2 npcs which still gave faction adjustments towards EbonMask, despite there being no npcs actually having the primary faction of EbonMask. I have changed these to HalloftheEbonMask. I also looked into any quests which might adjust EbonMask.
There is confusion on the allakhazam page about whether or not both factions did exist.
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/faction.html?faction=321
That being said, I don't think HalloftheEbonMask was ever actually real. I can't find any research pointing to an actual source.
However, I do see in-era research for EbonMask:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010522082131/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary/beastdetails.asp?mode=show&BID=274806
https://web.archive.org/web/20010512205143/http://www.tokyo2001.com/game/eq/bbs/pslg954.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20001202072600/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum12/HTML/001808.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010223045255/http://www.tokyo2001.com/game/eq/quest/neriak/neriak05.html
What I think should probably happen is to rename HalloftheEbonMask to Ebon Mask and EbonMask to HalloftheEbonMask. All the npc factions and quest factions will be aligned to EbonMask with little effort.
If anyone has an in era screenshot or log mentioning 'HalloftheEbonMask', post it up.
Very interesting reading there. I had no idea the rabbit hole went so deep. xD
Nonetheless though I really appreciate you looking into that for me. As someone who is pretty obsessed with the faction system in this game I thank you. :)
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