List of Bard issues

[Lazortag]

All of the bugs in this (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3745) thread are still around to my knowledge, except that the disappearing casting bar bug is a bit misrepresented.

There are a lot of other little bugs/issues that I've made threads about, but instead of bumping 50 threads every week I've decided to just make one thread for them. I've separated the bugs into different categories too; please post more Bard-related issues that you can think of:

Minor Bugs

Shield of Song: makes an annoying noise when cast, and displays its message once for every group member, neither of which are intended (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36765))

Shield of Song has a healing effect which it should not have (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24445))

Bard mez spells incorrectly have a level cap of 55 in pvp, when they should not have a level cap in pvp at all (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35116))

Denon's Bereavement (and all other ae dots) does full damage even if the mob is moving, when it should only do 2/3 damage (no thread yet)

Denon's Bereavement lasts too long (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36508))

Denon's Bereavement's stun effect lasts too long.

Instrument modifiers no longer apply on DOT's that are still going if the Bard zones (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24365))

Fizzle rate seems suspiciously high even at higher levels (not sure if it's really a bug, but here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36186)'s the thread)

Selo's Accelerando and Selo's Song of Travel don't stack properly (here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31741) and here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30785))

More complicated bugs

Bind sight is horribly broken in lots of different ways (thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25070))

Song of Twilight should have a "pulling" effect (thread with more detailed explanation (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32714))

Crission's Pixie Strike should have a "push" effect (I couldn't find a good thread about this that explained it well, but here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8803)'s a discussion on it)

Shauri's Sonorous Clouding has no effect if it reapplies after you right click a merchant/banker while it's on (no thread yet; but basically, if you have it passively casting, and right click a merchant/banker while it's on, it breaks invis as normal, but when the song refreshes itself, you don't get an invis effect; you get little brackets around your name as if you were invis, but PC's and NPC's can still see you)

Right clicking Breath of Harmony before playing a song (presumably by pressing a hotkey right after right-clicking) causes the spell gems to grey out if the song fizzles, which should only happen if a song is playing (no thread yet, but I'm sure every Bard with BoH knows exactly what I'm talking about)

Bard Songs are still not going into the main buff window, with some exceptions (notably Selo's Accelerando and Kazumi's Note of Preservation)

Edit:


-Selo's Chords of Cessation won't stack with Selo's Assonant Strane. This seems wrong since Selo's Consonant Chain stacks with Selo's Chords of Cessation.


Selo's Assonant Strane (54) is hasting mobs rather than slowing them. Only the snare component of the song is working properly.

Another issue: Jonthan's Inspiration (and possibly the entire Jonthan's line) works on pets in group, but not on charmed pets. Also, if you target someone and have the song passively cast on them (ie just cast it and keep the song going without ever interrupting them), the next time the buff is applied, it applies on you instead of your target.

Kelin's Lugubrious Lament stops passively casting if the mob goes outside of LOS, which shouldn't happen since the song doesn't require LOS (if the mob stays in LOS it does keep passively casting like bard songs do). This used to work as intended before but has recently (as recently as a few patches ago) become broken.

[Pescador]

I think this is universal to all fear spells, but if I am fear kiting a mob and the mob begins to flee, it will still hit me with one round of attacks once the fear song breaks, even if it's at 1%.

Additionally (and this is probably related to the selo's stacking problem), the "you slow down" message is frequently out of sync with the actual selo's buff leaving. Frequently, Selo's will wear off, the buff icon leaves, and I will be running at normal speed, but it can sometimes take up to two ticks to receive the "you slow down" message.

[Lazortag]

Two more issues:

-Song of Highsun is currently day-only, yet I know at some point it becomes usable at any time of day. Anyone know when this was?

-Selo's Chords of Cessation won't stack with Selo's Assonant Strane. This seems wrong since Selo's Consonant Chain stacks with Selo's Chords of Cessation.

[gerlon]

Here's another one:

Selo's Assonant Strane (54) is hasting mobs rather than slowing them. Only the snare component of the song is working properly.

[nalkin]

http://i51.tinypic.com/4j14z9.jpg

Bards drowning in kedge may be a bug worth looking into. Then again, maybe the bard is just nub.

[Lazortag]

http://i51.tinypic.com/4j14z9.jpg

Bards drowning in kedge may be a bug worth looking into. Then again, maybe the bard is just nub.

You started summoning fire pets and going up to Phinny and melee-ing him, you got everyone summoned and killed, the only mistake I made was giving you guys manasong and putting myself on his aggro list when you'd already wiped three times (no joke)

edit: I know it's not the place for it but I need to make sure that everyone knows that it's you who's the nub, not me

[Doors]

What a terrible terrible UI.

[Lazortag]

Can a moderator clean up this thread please? ie by permanantly deleting Nalkin's post and all of the ones that came after? I'm hoping this thread will catch on and more bugs will be posted here for the devs' convenience.

[Mcbard]

Two more issues:

-Song of Highsun is currently day-only, yet I know at some point it becomes usable at any time of day. Anyone know when this was?

-Selo's Chords of Cessation won't stack with Selo's Assonant Strane. This seems wrong since Selo's Consonant Chain stacks with Selo's Chords of Cessation.

The only thing I could find regarding highsun is an entry in lucy where the time restriction was changed from day to any on August 14th 2002. There was in fact a patch on the day but it's not in the patch notes (not that all changes are obv).

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1755

I'm pretty sure you can only have 1 slow effect on a mob at a time, and since both of those songs have slow effects they should not stack.

lol@ bard drowning in kk :D

[nalkin]

Do you want to be like this guy:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/8096/goo.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/860/goo.png/)

or this guy:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4295/nalk.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/146/nalk.png/)

Some call it bugs, some call it skill. Tomato tomato imo.

[Versus]

lol@ bard dying to Chancellor Di'Zok :D

FTFY brah <3

[Lazortag]

I'm pretty sure you can only have 1 slow effect on a mob at a time, and since both of those songs have slow effects they should not stack.


Then why does selo's consonant chain stack with selo's chords of cessation?

edit: and yeah, to reiterate what Phisting said, at least I didn't die to a light blue con mob and blame my "girlfriend" for it!

[Mcbard]

Then why does selo's consonant chain stack with selo's chords of cessation?

edit: and yeah, to reiterate what Phisting said, at least I didn't die to a light blue con mob and blame my "girlfriend" for it!


Good question, I'm not sure they're supposed to since they both have a slow component. I would think that the one with the higher % slow would overright the other. Can somebody (shamana/enchanter) confirm that only one slow effect can be on the mob an that the highest is what sticks?

Lol you've found me out Phisting, I die to level 40 mobs on the regular. :)

[Lazortag]

The weird thing about cessation stacking with selo's consonant chain, is that clearly both songs are working at once and no song gets entirely overwritten, since you see the mob moving slower (because it's snared) but the mob takes damage from the dot from chords of cessation. Both songs have a slow effect, and selo's consonant chain's is the more powerful one, so presumably it overwrites that of chords of cessation, but it doesn't stop the entire song from working (ie it doesn't overwrite the dot component of it). Maybe this is a bug, I dunno.

edit: as for song of highsun, I found a post from 2001 confirming it as day-only, so it probably only changes in Luclin, unfortunately.

[jerus]

No clue if it's how it works in p99 but on live you have different slots for effects to take place. I believe it's 12 total slots possible. But general idea, is if the same effect is in the same slot, the greater one will get rid of the lower or block the lower.

If they are the same effect but different slot, the one with the higher # takes effect and ignores the other but does not strip or block the buff.

On live I know those two songs stack because the slow effect in Selo's Chords of Cessation is slot 6 where Selo's Consonant Chain is 3

[Lazortag]

No clue if it's how it works in p99 but on live you have different slots for effects to take place. I believe it's 12 total slots possible. But general idea, is if the same effect is in the same slot, the greater one will get rid of the lower or block the lower.

If they are the same effect but different slot, the one with the higher # takes effect and ignores the other but does not strip or block the buff.

On live I know those two songs stack because the slow effect in Selo's Chords of Cessation is slot 6 where Selo's Consonant Chain is 3

I didn't know this. Do you know how this would apply to selo's assonant strane, and how it interacts with selo's chords of cessation?

[jerus]

On assonant Strane the Slow effect is slot 2, and snare is slot 1 for the version on Live. So there shouldn't be stacking issues on live, baring something else causing it. The slots could very well be different here though. Unfortunatly the history on lucy seems to only go to 2002 so not far back enough to see if it was different.

I did just check and on live all three stack but they should not and will not all take effect for the effects that overlap, only the highest takes effect.

So if it's not working how it was in classic should just have to swap some slots around, but IIRC they added more slots at some point in the game, so maybe in kunark it is limited and they did have stacking issues /shrug.

[Lazortag]

On assonant Strane the Slow effect is slot 2, and snare is slot 1 for the version on Live. So there shouldn't be stacking issues on live, baring something else causing it. The slots could very well be different here though. Unfortunatly the history on lucy seems to only go to 2002 so not far back enough to see if it was different.

I did just check and on live all three stack but they should not and will not all take effect for the effects that overlap, only the highest takes effect.

So if it's not working how it was in classic should just have to swap some slots around, but IIRC they added more slots at some point in the game, so maybe in kunark it is limited and they did have stacking issues /shrug.

Thanks for all this info, I hope it can be changed, being able to stack Cessation with our AE snare would be awesome.

[Lazortag]

Another issue: Jonthan's Inspiration (and possibly the entire Jonthan's line) works on pets in group, but not on charmed pets. Also, if you target someone and have the song passively cast on them (ie just cast it and keep the song going without ever interrupting them), the next time the buff is applied, it applies on you instead of your target.

[Lazortag]

Kelin's Lugubrious Lament stops passively casting if the mob goes outside of LOS, which shouldn't happen since the song doesn't require LOS (if the mob stays in LOS it does keep passively casting like bard songs do). This used to work as intended before but has recently (as recently as a few patches ago) become broken.

[Pescador]

It appears they fixed the bug where a fleeing, feared mob would turn for one round of attacks after fear breaks.

[Lazortag]

-Selo's chords of cessation doesn't do reduced dot damage when targets are mobile (this is a bug with denon's bereavement also). (Sorry Bards, I had to report this one).

[Calabee]

i dont remember the jonathan's song line to require a target at all.. has always been self buff only, and u didnt need to target urself for it either..

[Pescador]

It was changed to a self-only buff later in EQ's timeline, but it's going to be a targettable buff for a while.

[Lazortag]

According to http://crys.org/everquest/spells/bardsongs.asp?minrank=50&maxrank=65, song of dawn should have this effect:

53 Song of Dawn Hate reducer (lower target's Hate for caster by 155)

But on p99 it can't lower hate to 0 and make a mob disengage, which seems wrong. Also:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010628104205/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=1414

It should be wind only according to this.

[Doors]

Bards are fine, l2p.