Two-Boxing

[fishingme]

There was a comment in another thread in the last few days that they aren't always done and posted here, but they are done. I don't think it was as long ago as August that the last batch were done. Surely not?

Can you link the thread?

[pharmakos]

2-boxing should be allowed on red imo

maybe have a poll of all the active red players to see if they'd want that

it would draw more people to the server. but not the wusses, because it would still be PVP. i think it'd be really interesting. :D

[Swish]

2-boxing should be allowed on red imo


I hope my 2 wizards see your 2 wizards first ;)

[Humerox]

2-boxing should be allowed on red...

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[Swish]

Can you link the thread?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85765 (took someone 3 weeks)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78868 (2 more people doing them)

Can't find where someone said about them being done but not announced but it was within the last few days :/

[fishingme]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85765 (took someone 3 weeks)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78868 (2 more people doing them)

Can't find where someone said about them being done but not announced but it was within the last few days :/

Yeah I found the thread that you were mentioning, seems they were last done on 9/10- 9/12 http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83723

[Calabee]

2-boxing was allowed and a ''classic'' feautre on live, account sales on the other, were not.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

I personally miss two boxing :(

[Caso]

On live i had my main -dorf pally and i got tired of endless lfg and when ya got one, there was idiots or goofbags, no thanks, so i got my 2cpu and bought 1 more acc. Troll shamy, and i could do almost what ever i liked, camping gear or just pure exping, didnt steal any camp or mobs from anyone.
I wouldnt mind to box here as well, as im on eurotime, there isnt much ppl to group up with...

[pharmakos]

2-boxing was allowed and a ''classic'' feautre on live, account sales on the other, were not.

pretty sure 2-boxing wasn't allowed by Verant at the beginning.... someone correct me if I'm wrong tho.

[Kika Maslyaka]

pretty sure 2-boxing wasn't allowed by Verant at the beginning.... someone correct me if I'm wrong tho.

I am pretty sure no one back then even comprehended what "2-boxing" is.

yes occasionally there were people who 2-boxed their wife/brother/friend account while they were not playing, but it was a rarity - most PCs could not handle it anyway.

I played till 2004 before I run into a first person who was INTENTIONALLY paying for 2 accounts at once in order to box.

[pharmakos]

^^ i was under the impression that the GMs would ban you if they caught you 2-boxing back in the day

[Kika Maslyaka]

^^ i was under the impression that the GMs would ban you if they caught you 2-boxing back in the day

well it wasn't 2-boxing the way you understand it now =)
it was having 2 paid accounts, and probably 1 person out of 10,000 did it.
Considering the game cost $60 + $10 subscription back in 99, you would have to put in twice that amount. A normal person would not even come to such thought. I remember people complaining that there should be no monthly fee at all since we already paid for the game ;)
Their number may grown over the years thought. I knew ton of people who leveled buff clerics, or port druids as back up alts, but as I said I only knew 1 guy in total who actually had 2 paid accounts just for himself.

there was nothing illegal about it ;)

[pharmakos]

well it wasn't 2-boxing the way you understand it now =)

i definitely understand the difference between then and now =p

i still recall running into a two boxer and them telling me "if i get caught i'll get banned" =p

[dragonfists]

http://youtu.be/LK8sxngSWaU

[Spitty]

well it wasn't 2-boxing the way you understand it now =)
it was having 2 paid accounts, and probably 1 person out of 10,000 did it.
Considering the game cost $60 + $10 subscription back in 99, you would have to put in twice that amount. A normal person would not even come to such thought. I remember people complaining that there should be no monthly fee at all since we already paid for the game ;)
Their number may grown over the years thought. I knew ton of people who leveled buff clerics, or port druids as back up alts, but as I said I only knew 1 guy in total who actually had 2 paid accounts just for himself.

there was nothing illegal about it ;)

Maybe Tarew Marr was unique - a lot of the raiding population multi-boxed, if only to have a buffbot, portbot or backup rezbot onsite if needed. 1 in 10,000 is grossly inaccurate - at any given time, it was at least a couple hundred people per the 2000-3000 accounts logged in. I was one of them - as soon as Naggy's 52 level restriction went in, I made a monk and sure as shit got myself a CoF.

It probably seems like a stretch to the demographic that plays an emulated server in today's economy, but a lot of people had a lot of cash to burn on gaming a decade ago. $10k to buy multiple gaming systems, multiple EQ keys, multiple subscriptions for those accounts and a high-speed DS connection to run it all - not a problem.

VI, 989, SOE - nobody gave a shit about multiboxing, considering it was a paid account. You'd get into some shit if you were connected to an eBay account, but as long as you kept it within the virtual economy - not a problem.

[Galelor]

Unemployment wasn't around 10% when EQ was young... People had a lot more disposable income, so the cost of the game was not as large a justification as you believe.

I also remember quite a few people that boxed early. Just some perspective: I'm not rich, and by LDoN I was 6 boxing my own accounts... I know others on Xegony that did the same thing. EQ was cheaper than most other forms of paid entertainment. One night at the bar cost me more than a month of 6 EQ subscriptions...

[Dragonzord]

Unemployment wasn't around 10% when EQ was young... People had a lot more disposable income, so the cost of the game was not as large a justification as you believe.

I also remember quite a few people that boxed early. Just some perspective: I'm not rich, and by LDoN I was 6 boxing my own accounts... I know others on Xegony that did the same thing. EQ was cheaper than most other forms of paid entertainment. One night at the bar cost me more than a month of 6 EQ subscriptions...

not sure what to say other than may god have mercy on your soul

[ryanyouth]

Unemployment wasn't around 10% when EQ was young... People had a lot more disposable income, so the cost of the game was not as large a justification as you believe.

I also remember quite a few people that boxed early. Just some perspective: I'm not rich, and by LDoN I was 6 boxing my own accounts... I know others on Xegony that did the same thing. EQ was cheaper than most other forms of paid entertainment. One night at the bar cost me more than a month of 6 EQ subscriptions...

Well said, well said

[rike]

hi ya please bring 2boxin back. why anyone would ever play a melee is beyond me. There is literally no incentive to play anything but a necro or mage, get a bunch of gear and then twink a melee.

2 boxing does not hurt the population, it only helps grow it. (larger #s on server entice people to play again etc )
cut the shit and give us 2box. Hell I was 6 boxing when emulator first got big, and my bro was 3 boxing. 2box just lets people actually be able to play by themselfs if they want.
why has it taken so long for the retarded dev team to realize this?

[rike]

lolol ban me idc i dont play your crap server anyways bra

[Swish]

2 boxing does not hurt the population, it only helps grow it. (larger #s on server entice people to play again etc )

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All you'll do is encourage the vast majority of the server to box, promote beyond all imagination the growth of accounts for sale, and make the average Joe who turns up on his first day of P99 feel like 2-boxing is the only way he'll get levelled.

Boxers on live rarely wanted to group, they live in their isolated world wanting to get to max level quickly and/or on their own terms. If a ranger turns up and asks to join them... what do you think the answer is?

If you want to box, please do go away and enjoy any of the other non-P99 servers on the EQ Emu list, set up your own EQ server, or just roll a solo class. Simple really. Or just get an IP exemption and get caught out like so many others do.

Hell I was 6 boxing when emulator first got big, and my bro was 3 boxing. 2box just lets people actually be able to play by themselfs if they want.
why has it taken so long for the retarded dev team to realize this?

The dev team isn't retarded, they put 100s of hours into making this worthwhile for everyone. Scuttle off to wherever you were 6-boxing and enjoy life there.

I've never got the concept of "I want to play an online game... by myself" :/

[rike]

by hundreds of hours you mean taking VZTZs code?
and your right, no one wants to play by themselves. thats why no one would ever roll a melee as their first character. you either have to have friends playing, or you have to log whenever you can't find anyone to group with.
sounds really awesome to me bro

[Swish]

you either have to have friends playing, or you have to log whenever you can't find anyone to group with.
sounds really awesome to me bro

Try being a Euro player, then talk to me about that. I levelled a SK no problems - made groups myself if not much was happening, and because I was such an awesome tank/puller people would look out for me to group up again. Got a nice little network going back in the day and get this... I made friends!

Server pop has dropped a bit since it has to be said, but if you stick to the well trodden path (Oasis, Unrest, Mistmoore, Sol B etc) there's usually groups there.

Don't make out you can log in for hours at a time, and log out miserable...with two boxing fixing such woes.

"LFG time" was in classic too you know - its up to you if you want to laze around waiting for someone to ask you to a group or if you want to get one started yourself.

[AbstractVision]

This thread has been quite entertaining I must say. So many opinions about opinions on opinions.

My suggestion to the people eagerly awaiting IP exemptions is to circumvent the rules but not break them. Look into things like proxies, masks, or learn to configure your own router and/or contact your ISP to set your own i.p. address. Its a lot faster than waiting for an exemption and you learn something in the process.

Do not use the above to 2 box however. Sure you can 2 box using my suggestions and have your characters deleted then change your i.p. and start over and have them deleted again. The best part is you probably won't be caught 2 boxing immediately instead you'll lose that level 50 character you've sank a month or more into. Then you'll quit or play the game by the rules.

Same goes for the MacroQuest and ShowEQ users. Don't do it.

The one thing I wish they did enforce, which in my opinion is worse than 2 boxing and its just that an opinion, is the naming policy. I've seen so many offensive, ridiculous, immersion breaking names on the server it makes my head spin. SexyWoodElf, TitsMcgee, Tukda Lootfromya and his alt Tucda Lootfromya, I mean seriously? This doesn't even scratch the surface. I didn't even go into the racist names.

All in all, what I've gathered is that P99 needs more administration. More active GMs would cut down on a lot of the issues not being enforced (bad names, training on purpose, 2 boxing cause it does still happen)

Well I'm all done now, Have a good morning everyone! :]

[SamwiseRed]

as a melee you need to be proactive when it comes to forming groups. find a healer and get to work. as a mage i always made my groups, i soloed maybe a few hours out of my 6 days played to 47. I remember one time in OT there was a monk LFG and me. ofc a mage/monk is a horrible duo but i felt bad for the guy so I just had him pull for me. people are willing to help push melees you just gotta look. boxing is lame and there are other emus that allow.

[Raavak]

boxing is lame and there are other emus that allow.EQMac and EZ server both are big, popular boxing servers (does Hidden Forest allow boxing?). If you feel the need to do it go there. Both have forums and an active community so they are valid alternatives if boxing is your thing. But they will never be as cool as classic EQ imho.

[SamwiseRed]

eqmac is awesome and yes it allows boxing, those who with to box and have a classic eq experience should goto eqmac.

[sulious]

EQ was cheaper than most other forms of paid entertainment. One night at the bar cost me more than a month of 6 EQ subscriptions...

Cheapdate?
*wave

[Swish]

eqmac is awesome and yes it allows boxing, those who with to box and have a classic eq experience should goto eqmac.

Totally agree, P99 has its own rules and on boxing (if I haven't made it clear already) I fully support banning of boxes to keep grouping opportunities as good as can be.

[rekreant]

This thread has been quite entertaining I must say. So many opinions about opinions on opinions.

My suggestion to the people eagerly awaiting IP exemptions is to circumvent the rules but not break them. Look into things like proxies, masks, or learn to configure your own router and/or contact your ISP to set your own i.p. address. Its a lot faster than waiting for an exemption and you learn something in the process.

Do not use the above to 2 box however. Sure you can 2 box using my suggestions and have your characters deleted then change your i.p. and start over and have them deleted again. The best part is you probably won't be caught 2 boxing immediately instead you'll lose that level 50 character you've sank a month or more into. Then you'll quit or play the game by the rules.

Same goes for the MacroQuest and ShowEQ users. Don't do it.

The one thing I wish they did enforce, which in my opinion is worse than 2 boxing and its just that an opinion, is the naming policy. I've seen so many offensive, ridiculous, immersion breaking names on the server it makes my head spin. SexyWoodElf, TitsMcgee, Tukda Lootfromya and his alt Tucda Lootfromya, I mean seriously? This doesn't even scratch the surface. I didn't even go into the racist names.

All in all, what I've gathered is that P99 needs more administration. More active GMs would cut down on a lot of the issues not being enforced (bad names, training on purpose, 2 boxing cause it does still happen)

Well I'm all done now, Have a good morning everyone! :]


This is laughable at best. People box all the time, and get reported for it and nothing happens. I've seen this happen bout 6 times now. Boxing is alive and well on this server so according to some of you the server is already destroyed!

[Lexical]

This is laughable at best. People box all the time, and get reported for it and nothing happens. I've seen this happen bout 6 times now. Boxing is alive and well on this server so according to some of you the server is already destroyed!

Every time a dual boxer has grouped with me, I have had a guide/GM show up within 30 minutes and ban him. Just saying.

[ForeverLost]

I would report the dual boxers I group with more if the bans weren't so harsh. The really nice lowbie warrior that brings a slightly higher level druid to buff and heal his group doesn't deserve a 6 month or permanent ban, even if he is doing his part to hurt the server's integrity. Boxing is for sure bad for the server, but I would feel guilty if someone was banned for something comparably minor because I reported them.

[rekreant]

Every time a dual boxer has grouped with me, I have had a guide/GM show up within 30 minutes and ban him. Just saying.

I do this too, and the past 6 times nothing has happened.

[ssyrax82]

Maybe, the person isn't boxing... I get accused of boxing because my friend who is new to the game is quiet and puts me on autofollow everywhere because he is inattentive... We play from entirely different IP addresses halfway across the US.... So maybe when you report them, the Guides check their IP address and can tell they aren't boxing so they dont show up.

[SamwiseRed]

i think 6 boxing should be allowed so everyone can experience a full group

[Glorindale]

I would report the dual boxers I group with more if the bans weren't so harsh. The really nice lowbie warrior that brings a slightly higher level druid to buff and heal his group doesn't deserve a 6 month or permanent ban, even if he is doing his part to hurt the server's integrity. Boxing is for sure bad for the server, but I would feel guilty if someone was banned for something comparably minor because I reported them.

They don't get banned because you reported them. They get banned because they broke the number one commandment...."Thou shalt not two box".

[rekreant]

i think 6 boxing should be allowed so everyone can experience a full group

Its still harder to maintain a raid rotation in WoW than it is to play 6 characters in EQ.

[SamwiseRed]

Its still harder to maintain a raid rotation in WoW than it is to play 6 characters in EQ.

http://i.imgur.com/hUctB.jpg

come play wow with me pal. emerald dream vanilla wow emu 1.12. Horde :D

[rekreant]

I have always maintained a max lvl raid toon in wow, but tbh my true heart lies in EQ. IF I was going to play anywhere else but here it'd probably be on EQMac lol.

[SamwiseRed]

eqmac is awesome too.

[rekreant]

er,
what realm?
My bf and I are on Kil'Jaeden and looking for a new raiding guild to join since we are too lazy to get ip exemption here LOL

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Im on Twisting Nether. I was actually on KJ for a lil bit and then even Illidian for the high population. TBH I havent logged on since they added the new raid and I am not in a hardcore guild heh. I think at this point I have fallen out of love with Blizzard.

[Cymeon]

hey I'm on twisting nether too. small world

[Karafa]

http://i.imgur.com/hUctB.jpg

come play wow with me pal. emerald dream vanilla wow emu 1.12. Horde :D

Samwise constantly moving from game to game in hopes to find ????. Go outside bro, Feenix is a piece of shit and you are as pale as my taint.

[baramur]

2-boxing is a hard to discern thing. I know some people who play who just afk all the time because they play at work, or are busy in real life, anyone who has grouped with me knows i tend to afk alot due to having a 2 year old in the house. I am not computer savvy so proxy servers, ip addresses, etc have not much meaning to me, my wife was going to play with me, but i refused to get an ip exemption just for simple fact that with her being 100 percent new to mmo i didnt want the risk of being accused, after all 2-boxing seems to more bannable then using 3rd party. Personally i could care less if someone was boxxing, but i would report someone for 3rd party in a heartbeat. Ofcourse i play a solo class, so grouping doesnt concern me, to each his own.

[fishingme]

2-boxing is a hard to discern thing. I know some people who play who just afk all the time because they play at work, or are busy in real life, anyone who has grouped with me knows i tend to afk alot due to having a 2 year old in the house. I am not computer savvy so proxy servers, ip addresses, etc have not much meaning to me, my wife was going to play with me, but i refused to get an ip exemption just for simple fact that with her being 100 percent new to mmo i didnt want the risk of being accused, after all 2-boxing seems to more bannable then using 3rd party. Personally i could care less if someone was boxxing, but i would report someone for 3rd party in a heartbeat. Ofcourse i play a solo class, so grouping doesnt concern me, to each his own.

I would honestly not worry about being accused dual boxing unless you actually are.

[maahes]

I would honestly not worry about being accused dual boxing unless you actually are.

I only can log into MMO's with buddies. When I was more active on P99 a buddy and myself played every moment together. We were accused of dual boxing and had to deal with GMs almost every single time we logged in. Which basically ran us off the server.

Never think you innocence will protect you.

[formallydickman]

I only can log into MMO's with buddies. When I was more active on P99 a buddy and myself played every moment together. We were accused of dual boxing and had to deal with GMs almost every single time we logged in. Which basically ran us off the server.

Never think you innocence will protect you.

I leveled a character exclusively with my brother and never once had to deal with GMs or anyone accusing us of dual boxing.

Anecdotal evidence works both ways.

[Wisteso]

So maybe this is a little trollish but the definition of two boxing is vague enough that I can't help but ask.

Would the following player be considered 2 boxing if they were playing on P99?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57IcN9DWXo

TLDR: One of them controls one side of the body, and the other controls the other side. So they would have to both be dual boxing, technically, if using mouse and keyboard... or be able to play with one hand.

[SamwiseRed]

can one die and the other live? do they cut the dead ones head off? wtf is going on!?

[Wisteso]

I imagine most trauma could be fatal to both, but some trauma to only one. The twin(s) seem pretty cool too.

Another hypothetical would be someone with no arms, who's boyfriend plays for her/girlfriend plays for him, while also playing themself. Perhaps just occasionally when their assistive device cannot complete the task at hand.

I mean we are playing an MMORPG, which is often used by people with disabilities to engage in social interactions without getting the "handicap treatment".

[OMGWTF420]

holy shit im out of the loop, why did bort get banned??

[hdawg06]

I imagine most trauma could be fatal to both, but some trauma to only one. The twin(s) seem pretty cool too.

Another hypothetical would be someone with no arms, who's boyfriend plays for her/girlfriend plays for him, while also playing themself. Perhaps just occasionally when their assistive device cannot complete the task at hand.

I mean we are playing an MMORPG, which is often used by people with disabilities to engage in social interactions without getting the "handicap treatment".

ummm wtf?

Since when do armless people play EQ? I don't even understand how watching another person play "your" character would even be remotely fun. Watching EQ is one of the most boring things you can do...

[Rettii]

opening post:

Bort
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Join Date: Apr 2011
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[Wisteso]

Well actually, as far as armless people, I dated a pretty cool girl I met on EQ for a while who had a handicap with her hands/lower arms. She wasn't armless, but she definitely was limited.

She joined the game before we met, on her own. So yeah, it does happen.

You think handicapped people are just blobs that sit in bed or something? They like games as well...

[FeistyMango05]

Where would I go about petitioning for a lift on the IP restriction? I have a legitimate 6 man team that intends to start playing on this server if we are able to play local together

[Swish]

As in setting up a 6 man LAN to frequently game together off 1 IP address? Not sure if serious, however...

I think the maximum is two accounts off a single IP, I hope it is...

[shooteneq1]

As in setting up a 6 man LAN to frequently game together off 1 IP address? Not sure if serious, however...

I think the maximum is two accounts off a single IP, I hope it is...


a 6 man team beeing boxed would be pretty damn easy to identify.

However, back in my serious gaming days, before i met my wife, my friends and i would often have anywhere from 4-15 people at our house at a time gaming off the same ip. its not common but it would kind of suck if you had legit friends who all played and you were forced to play something else instead because of a 2 per ip rule.

[Kevynne]

grouped with a guy who was boxing/botting 4 toons.

the ban hammer was dropped

[Kevynne]

Me too! *polishes her shiny ban hammer*

this made me laugh.

[pharmakos]

i still think two-boxing should be allowed on red ;)

[Swish]

Red wants a ton of stuff put in. I'd put yellow text in well before 2-boxing...and arguably it would dull the R99 immersion - if my 2 wizards see your 2 wizards first, I've won ;)

[Kevynne]

Red wants a ton of stuff put in. I'd put yellow text in well before 2-boxing...and arguably it would dull the R99 immersion - if my 2 wizards see your 2 wizards first, I've won ;)

need yt bitches.

[pharmakos]

2-boxing on red would help population so much though. population numbers would more than double. all the bluebies that want to two box would quit being wusses and start toons on the PVP server.

getting a bit off topic but tbh if red had classic Rallos rules i'd play on there. only being able to loot plat is so gimp. =p

[Valli]

grouped with a guy who was boxing/botting 4 toons.

the ban hammer was dropped

Hope it was the douche that's been camping Guktop.. Myself and some of my friends have petitioned multiple times, yet we keep seeing him. He's not even trying to hide it, its blatantly obvious.. Personally am thinking its a gm.. :D

[Aviann]

2-boxing on red would help population so much though. population numbers would more than double. all the bluebies that want to two box would quit being wusses and start toons on the PVP server.

getting a bit off topic but tbh if red had classic Rallos rules i'd play on there. only being able to loot plat is so gimp. =p

All the bluebies that wanted to two box quit and left for PEQ. Quit trying to say Red is good.

[Swish]

2-boxing on red would help population so much though

I'm sure wizard duos would be awesome to play as, and horrible to face.

In short, not a good idea :p

[thisisfunnytomebro]

Hey, I'm just some random player new to this emu but no to EQ by any means.I posted this in concern to your 2 boxing rule and just want to say THIS IS A JOKE.People are boxing all over the place and the admins here could care less for my observation.Though they may be not using MQ,they ARE boxing.
Here I am struggling when I guess I should just box and be done with it.I'm not the narc type so I don't petition,but It's plain as day it's happening.I really liked the idea of everyone playing individual characters (like in 1999).Here it's just not the case.With that being said,I'm glad I did not put more time into this server.

[r0xx0r]

Your best bet is to report/petition it.

Gm's can't be everywhere at once. It's very easy for gm's to catch ppl 2 boxing on one computer but when it's not on a single computer that's the tricky part- a petition/report would need to be filed for the gm(s) to look into it further. There's nothing wrong with reporting someone if you think they are boxing because honestly if they aren't boxing then I would think they could prove it, regardless of the situation. Best to report them w/out saying a word to the person- unless you just wanna see their reaction. If you want someone caught boxing, report them- and don't give them a heads up (if they are boxing then they're screwed, qq, gg, have fun)

It's like bitching about people illegally claiming false dependencies #'s on their w2s, don't like it? report it or stfu! But hey- I mean this in the most respectable way possible.

[Swish]

Hey, I'm just some random player new to this emu but no to EQ by any means.I posted this in concern to your 2 boxing rule and just want to say THIS IS A JOKE.People are boxing all over the place and the admins here could care less for my observation.Though they may be not using MQ,they ARE boxing.
Here I am struggling when I guess I should just box and be done with it.I'm not the narc type so I don't petition,but It's plain as day it's happening.I really liked the idea of everyone playing individual characters (like in 1999).Here it's just not the case.With that being said,I'm glad I did not put more time into this server.

In short, if you don't petition you're part of the problem...and the problem isn't going away if you're really seeing this happen.

Probably a troll account though, "bro".

[Zyon]

SOK... Honestly guys, drop the short sighted view on this your being fools. This is not someone (for example the guy with 5 mages and a cleric dicking players over). Also, on live, and not to mention back in the day, this was not frowned upon unless it was extremely excessive, such as one person 6 boxing and holding a wanted camp or some such. So ask yourself (GM's..and no I'm NOT HATING ON YOU..) Why exactly, considering the complete lack of being able to find groups most of the time is this so frowned upon that i would like to log in a shm on my other computer for while im lfg?. I can 100% understand anything more then one boxed char. But if your new to the server are you going to make a rog? doubt it. war? prob not. monk? if your determined enough to do so maybe. ranger? lol... No what i see is worse then two boxing. Its super twinks that run around refusing groups. In fact almost every single melee I've seen is twinked to hell. new players i meet? playing druids, shm, necro, mage. What i'm getting at is this. I log into kurns tower and shit, not single person here after running from fp. I start to solo on my monk, downtime is retarded. Whats the problem having a backup plan? its not cheating, its not unreasonable. I would be willing to bet allowing a single boxed alt, as long as no problems are caused from it from person X it is bit dramatic. If someone finds p99, logs in and realizes groups are very few and far between why force them to a solo class? or to sit around waiting? They'll no doubt just get sick of it and leave. Obviously its not for everyone, but does it really give an advantage? not all that much as your making it out to be. Personally i have not nor will i break the rules but i will indeed voice my opinion on this topic. Anyhow just my two cents. Not everyone wants to play solo classes, knowing a group is going to be something you don't see much. yet I've heard it from several people, "i would rather play a rog, but without crazy twink gear i'd never level up because groups are so hard to get" So if you think the rule is fair, i say to you. make a brand new rog, no twink gear and see how much fun u have having your face eaten while a monk runs around in a fungi soloing the entire top levels of kurns because of gear.

[Tecmos Deception]

SOK... Honestly guys, drop the short sighted view on this your being fools. This is not someone (for example the guy with 5 mages and a cleric dicking players over). Also, on live, and not to mention back in the day, this was not frowned upon unless it was extremely excessive, such as one person 6 boxing and holding a wanted camp or some such. So ask yourself (GM's..and no I'm NOT HATING ON YOU..) Why exactly, considering the complete lack of being able to find groups most of the time is this so frowned upon that i would like to log in a shm on my other computer for while im lfg?. I can 100% understand anything more then one boxed char. But if your new to the server are you going to make a rog? doubt it. war? prob not. monk? if your determined enough to do so maybe. ranger? lol... No what i see is worse then two boxing. Its super twinks that run around refusing groups. In fact almost every single melee I've seen is twinked to hell. new players i meet? playing druids, shm, necro, mage. What i'm getting at is this. I log into kurns tower and shit, not single person here after running from fp. I start to solo on my monk, downtime is retarded. Whats the problem having a backup plan? its not cheating, its not unreasonable. I would be willing to bet allowing a single boxed alt, as long as no problems are caused from it from person X it is bit dramatic. If someone finds p99, logs in and realizes groups are very few and far between why force them to a solo class? or to sit around waiting? They'll no doubt just get sick of it and leave. Obviously its not for everyone, but does it really give an advantage? not all that much as your making it out to be. Personally i have not nor will i break the rules but i will indeed voice my opinion on this topic. Anyhow just my two cents. Not everyone wants to play solo classes, knowing a group is going to be something you don't see much. yet I've heard it from several people, "i would rather play a rog, but without crazy twink gear i'd never level up because groups are so hard to get" So if you think the rule is fair, i say to you. make a brand new rog, no twink gear and see how much fun u have having your face eaten while a monk runs around in a fungi soloing the entire top levels of kurns because of gear.

Too long; poster retarded.

[Zyon]

Totally agree, P99 has its own rules and on boxing (if I haven't made it clear already) I fully support banning of boxes to keep grouping opportunities as good as can be.

honestly, you just dont get it. If you have a group, and no healer, you really wana sit around and wait forever to find one? or someone says hey, i have a cleric i could bring to help keep the group going. same with shm, dps, tanks. your argument fails sir. sorry

[ymw]

I like the no boxing rule. It's made me work harder and be a bit smarter about what I'm doing, even if I sometimes wish I could take the easy way out.

If you are really adamant about allowing boxing in this environment, I encourage you to start reading up over at EQEmu: http://eqemulator.org/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=CategoryServer. With a few easy steps, you can have your own server and box to your heart's content!

[Zyon]

the easy way out? lol. not even going to argue, ive yet to see a good, decent argument against 2 boxing, you act like its god mode easy and its not. like i said, im not doing it but i see no reason its not allowed.

[ymw]

The reason it's not allowed is simple - the administrators of the server have stated that they do not want it happening here. They don't answer to either of us, so no further reasoning is really necessary.

[Randy]

^^^ that...

Plus 2 Boxing hurts grouping even more and if you think it's hard to get groups now it becomes even worse with 2+ boxing. The notion that people would only 2 box to 'save' a group is crazy talk. Or that people would drop one of their characters to add an LFG player is also crazy. See where this leads? To everyone 2 boxing, and you're worse off.

[happyhappy]

On live, 2boxing wasn't frowned upon because you were paying for two monthly sub, + the cost of two games, + two sets of all the expansions.

Original EQ was a product to be sold for a profit, this is not.

[Swish]

honestly, you just dont get it. If you have a group, and no healer, you really wana sit around and wait forever to find one? or someone says hey, i have a cleric i could bring to help keep the group going. same with shm, dps, tanks. your argument fails sir. sorry

I'll take you more seriously when you post on your primary forum account, not this troll one ;)

YOU don't seem to get it however, people don't see past themselves with boxing. There's plenty of us out there that don't want to box, and by keeping the boxers off the server it keeps a level playing field.

1. If you allow boxing you'll see an explosion in account sales.
2. As a by product, you'll see people PL'ing more frequently in places like Unrest/MM because they're levelling a character to sell (dicking on legit groups as we see already).
3. If you allow 2-boxing... is 3-boxing ok? 6-boxing?
4. Grouping is hard work from the mid-30s up to the late-40s, people WILL box to get around that. LFG time is classic, leave it as it is.
5. Every other EQemu server other than P99 allows boxing, feel free to enjoy those servers.

EDIT: EverQuest isn't easy, and it was never meant to be easy in the early days. Stop trying to make your own lazy life easier and play along with what the game was designed to do... as in force you to group up with others, make friends, and meet new people.

If you want easy, go and play a WoW emulator.

[Dirtnap]

I wait patiently for the day they allow two-boxing. I will finally get to roll my Ranger/Cleric duo.

I also wait patiently for someone to give me a reason why TWO-BOXING (Not 3, 4, 5, 6, 26 boxing. LIMIT TWO.) would never work successfully.

Every argument against it is always something that could be prevented with RULES. Rules that would make them BAN-ABLE OFFENSES.

The argument that people would PL alts to sell... Well damn, selling accounts should be a ban-able offense in itself. Account sales were not classic, that shit would get you banned in a heartbeat.

[Wonton]

Two-boxing takes a level of skill most of you pleb casual Everquest players just simply cannot handle. :)

[Zyon]

I'll take you more seriously when you post on your primary forum account, not this troll one ;)

YOU don't seem to get it however, people don't see past themselves with boxing. There's plenty of us out there that don't want to box, and by keeping the boxers off the server it keeps a level playing field.

1. If you allow boxing you'll see an explosion in account sales.
2. As a by product, you'll see people PL'ing more frequently in places like Unrest/MM because they're levelling a character to sell (dicking on legit groups as we see already).
3. If you allow 2-boxing... is 3-boxing ok? 6-boxing?
4. Grouping is hard work from the mid-30s up to the late-40s, people WILL box to get around that. LFG time is classic, leave it as it is.
5. Every other EQemu server other than P99 allows boxing, feel free to enjoy those servers.

EDIT: EverQuest isn't easy, and it was never meant to be easy in the early days. Stop trying to make your own lazy life easier and play along with what the game was designed to do... as in force you to group up with others, make friends, and meet new people.

If you want easy, go and play a WoW emulator.

sorry ill clarify: im not bashing the admin, gm's, or players. and if you'd read my post, 2 boxing max not 6. primary account? I didn't even know of p99 until fippy darkpaw progression server when i was in TL and i heard them talking about it on vent at raids or while poopsocking. My bard was zyon there. On the combine my monk was vanix, i was in FoH until they fell apart in velious then WI until GoD era. back further, vanix (monk) terris thule. is that good enough? no i am not a troll. I'm simply stating that i believe 2 boxing would not be a bad thing and trust me i've seen 5/6 boxers. I've also seen people drop their boxed alts for players mains. I've said nothing negative of p99. I think its great and im pissed i waited so long to play here. The server staff is great, the game is more stable than sony had it IMO. but alas yes, i would like to box an alt, sorry i disagree, but that doesnt mean im not going to play here on an amazing server, that replicates clasic better then sony could. that good enough for u sir?
EDIT: sorry, for your #2, that happens a good bit that ive seen.. in 4/5 days of playing.
also: wow is for little kids, i dont mind grouping, in fact i would rather group. sorry fact is, is that its very hard to find ppl who are on, and most that i have grouped with send me tells when im on. and no, im not crying the game is to hard. I know it will not change and there are other reasons and i simply stated that i didnt agree, gave some reasons.

[Swish]

So you've been here 5 minutes and you're demanding 2-boxing to be allowed? Wow. Re-examine point 5 before you get too heavily involved in P99 :D

I know you're not bashing anyone, you're just asking for something that a lot of people don't want... and you're going to get a reaction from me every time, because its the only EQemu server (along with red) that doesn't allow it.

Try EQ Mac, try the other EQemu servers, even go back to Live and F2P there... just let the rules that have been on this server for years remain as they are, particularly as you've only just got here.

When in Rome...

[Swish]

Account sales were not classic, that shit would get you banned in a heartbeat.

Sold my Live account on a 3rd party website for about £100 ($150-160) around LDoN. Inevitably came back for a cameo which involved buying EQ again and setting up another sub, but account selling was more widespread than people believed.

If you allow 2-boxing, you're opening the door for the next bunch of whiners who want a full group setup...and I couldn't care less about account sales here but I don't want to see zones like Unrest/Mistmoore turn into PL perma-camp zones. If they allow it, there's a good chance it'll happen.

[lawll]

i was in FoH until they fell apart in velious then WI until GoD era.

Lol? FoH was strong till the end of pop someone smells like a troll.

[Zyon]

Lol? FoH was strong till the end of pop someone smells like a troll.

really bro? i said the combine server, RoI was #1 shortly after velious, then WI. dont make statements where you dont know what your talking about pal.

EDIT: and pals, i demanded nothing. if you read my post with any kind of logic youll see that i even said i know its not going to change, and that i simply didnt agree. I personally believe it would make the server even that much BETTER then it ALREADY is.

Edit2: sorry, but as for account selling.. I see this as the greater evil by a large margin and i see it happen all the time. It's an opening for scam artists for one, if there is an *easy* way then buying an account would trump any type of boxing for taking the easy way out. I don't care one way or the other, thats up to the server admins but use your brain, selling an account or buying one is a sure fire way to either get ripped off, end up with high level toons, who essentially dont have a clue how to play said character, and as stated, this was a banstick offense in classic. So ill just remain neutral on that and let anyone who's dumb enough to attempt this do so at their own risk i wish u the best of luck, and applaud your lazyness of not even having to powerlevel.

[lawll]

really bro? i said the combine server, RoI was #1 shortly after velious, then WI. dont make statements where you dont know what your talking about pal.



Who give a shit about the combine server? Move along.

[Dirtnap]

Sold my Live account on a 3rd party website for about £100 ($150-160) around LDoN. Inevitably came back for a cameo which involved buying EQ again and setting up another sub, but account selling was more widespread than people believed.

If you allow 2-boxing, you're opening the door for the next bunch of whiners who want a full group setup...and I couldn't care less about account sales here but I don't want to see zones like Unrest/Mistmoore turn into PL perma-camp zones. If they allow it, there's a good chance it'll happen.

My whole point as to RULES were to prevent things like:
No self power-leveling.
No camping of two separate mobs at the same time.
No selling of accounts.
All boxed accounts must be flagged as being owned by the same person. (Similar to an IP exemption.)

With rules like this, and the player petitioning against people who break them, two-boxing would be a successful and beneficial addition to this server.

[Zyon]

Who give a shit about the combine server? Move along.

wonderfull reply when you make a retarded statement, who do u think was in that foh on the combine? No furor wasnt there but many, many others were. sorry you dont know what your talking about pal, and wish to make stupid coments when i was simply saying who i was, because i can back it up, therefore no, im not a troll, and you.. dont know what your talking about. Also i dont like saying things like this but ill not sit back and have misinformation shit out by someone who tryes to make me look like something im obviously not.

[lawll]

My whole point as to RULES were to prevent things like:
No self power-leveling.
No camping of two separate mobs at the same time.
No selling of accounts.
All boxed accounts must be flagged as being owned by the same person. (Similar to an IP exemption.)

With rules like this, and the player petitioning against people who break them, two-boxing would be a successful and beneficial addition to this server.

Seems like a lot more work for the GMs kinda easier to just say no two boxing at all. I'd rather see velious be released in my life time then be able to do some anti-social leveling.

[joppykid]

ITT: Stickied Informative Server Rule becomes a RnF thread.

[ymw]

The ability to two-box would, for many people, completely and utterly remove the "requirement" for developing a support network, group of friends, etc. As it stands, even if you cannot always find a group, there is merit to making friends and lasting relationships when presented the opportunity.

Make some friends, join a guild, do a little extra exploring. Shit's classic.

[lawll]

EQmac isn't a bad server and has a lot of nice people. I don't know why boxers don't try it out if they feel the need to play two classes at once.

[Zyon]

The ability to two-box would, for many people, completely and utterly remove the "requirement" for developing a support network, group of friends, etc. As it stands, even if you cannot always find a group, there is merit to making friends and lasting relationships when presented the opportunity.

Make some friends, join a guild, do a little extra exploring. Shit's classic.

K for one thing you guys are the ones blowing something way out of proportion. Also, on the servers I've played on live, boxing doesnt have anything to do with being anti social, in fact most of my friends had boxed alts as well and used them in or out of group. Now as its obviously not happening, im done. As for your arguments, theyre flimsy and have no real merrit, stating things that you cannot back up, insinuating things, and outright hating on anyone who doesnt see it your way. learn to use that brain objectively. I spoke my mind, you guys nerd raged. You should really look into things before blurting them out. Obviously the staff has its reasons and thats good enough for me.

[heartbrand]

Two Boxing is classic, and everyone who argues against it remind me of the same liberals who want to control every aspect of my life and property, such as how high I'm allowed to build an extension to my house or what not.

[Dirtnap]

Seems like a lot more work for the GMs kinda easier to just say no two boxing at all. I'd rather see velious be released in my life time then be able to do some anti-social leveling.

You do realize the DEVELOPERS and GMs/GUIDES are a separate entities right?

[lawll]

You do realize the DEVELOPERS and GMs/GUIDES are a separate entities right?

I wouldn't go that far now, i'm sure a lot of them are testing.

[ymw]

You incorrectly assumed I was "raging" or that I had "arguments".

I simply stated that I like the rule and offered a reason or two why. To step back a page and reiterate, they don't answer to me whatsoever, so arguing would be useless. Share your opinion, stop getting angry when people share theirs, and let the people that actually get to make the decision weigh both opinions with theirs.

Given that has already happened and the rule still stands that no boxing is allowed, I guess it's just going to have to be what it is. As also mentioned above, give the other emulators or even EQMac a shot if it's that important to you.

[Swish]

My whole point as to RULES were to prevent things like:
No self power-leveling.
No camping of two separate mobs at the same time.
No selling of accounts.
All boxed accounts must be flagged as being owned by the same person. (Similar to an IP exemption.)

With rules like this, and the player petitioning against people who break them, two-boxing would be a successful and beneficial addition to this server.

Sounds like a lot for the server GMs to keep on top of. What's wrong with making friends and grouping on a semi-regular basis? Or rolling a necro/mage/other solo capable class?

If you want to have your own little 1-man two character box group, you might as well be playing offline. Skyrim is good for that, I'd recommend it.

[Dirtnap]

Sounds like a lot for the server GMs to keep on top of. What's wrong with making friends and grouping on a semi-regular basis? Or rolling a necro/mage/other solo capable class?

If you want to have your own little 1-man two character box group, you might as well be playing offline. Skyrim is good for that, I'd recommend it.

I think GM's work around here is hardly all its cracked up to be. The reason petitions get backed up, is because the don't hire on enough people. With around 1000 players, we could easily have 15 or so guides, and that would have us with at least 1-2 on at all hours.

[formallydickman]

is because the don't hire on enough people.

lol.

[Zyon]

You incorrectly assumed I was "raging" or that I had "arguments".

I simply stated that I like the rule and offered a reason or two why. To step back a page and reiterate, they don't answer to me whatsoever, so arguing would be useless. Share your opinion, stop getting angry when people share theirs, and let the people that actually get to make the decision weigh both opinions with theirs.

Given that has already happened and the rule still stands that no boxing is allowed, I guess it's just going to have to be what it is. As also mentioned above, give the other emulators or even EQMac a shot if it's that important to you.

Sorry this is just to easy to point out that A.) I don't think you realize what an argument truly is. For example, when you stated: "You Incorrectly assumed I was "raging" or that I had "arguments". For this is exactly what an argument is, take some college logic courses there bud. B.) I have said (Several Times) that I've no interest in the other emulators, your repetition of this statement is very redundant and frankly, stale and especially since I have already said, in effect: I understand this will not change. I am having fun on the server. I do not agree with you, your idiotic fantasy theory's of what boxing alts is, means, does to a server, etc..., I'm not interested in EWMac as I obviously know what the other emu servers are friend. I had left this alone, but feel free to make yourself look like an idiot all you wish as everything you've said in this post has been either said, or I have gone over in my last post. Furthermore, the "raging" was referring to lawall and his comedy relief at his own expense. Alas, as I have already specifically stated in a previous post, If it were that important to me I would indeed go somewhere where I could box. Have i done so? no. As i said im done, i said what i thought now quit trolling

[ymw]

Cool pal, thanks for clearing it all up for me.

[Swish]

To summarize the last couple of pages: 2-boxing still not allowed, don't get banned trying to be clever with IP exemptions <3

[Zyon]

I've just been grouping and soloing in my downtime on my monk, which isnt all that hard, just boring. Frankly 2 boxing is a bit boring as well, I do like grouping, the comunity on this server is awesome. Also there's no way i would risk that stupid shit just to box an alt =X

[omegadot]

a 6 man team beeing boxed would be pretty damn easy to identify.

However, back in my serious gaming days, before i met my wife, my friends and i would often have anywhere from 4-15 people at our house at a time gaming off the same ip. its not common but it would kind of suck if you had legit friends who all played and you were forced to play something else instead because of a 2 per ip rule.

I ran a clan for 3 or so years back in high school/college that had 22+ people regularly playing together. I'm pretty sure our net connection would have been crushed at those levels, but that sort of activity does happen. We later got involved in things like http://massivelan.com/ and other stuff around the WNY area. It sounds silly but it happens! Even post Steam and all the social crap.

[Mxsilverhammer]

If you have a Smart phone you could tether your wifes computer to get that second IP, if i can do it in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness on a 1x network, i am sure you will be fine on a 3G or 4G
Yeah did everything by the book, but no views and no replies.

That being said, whilst two-boxing is the big bad, I've noticed as I start grinding my way that zones like WC/EC just have twinks grouped up with a guildie powerlevelling them. I don't see how this 'defeats' two-boxing at all. The same behaviour is still taking place, I just don't have my wife to group with so its an adventure of soloing.

Sure there are some legit groups, but I think now I'm in the teens its becoming about the stage the powerlevel phenomenon kicks in.

Pretty lame.

At least I will finally be able to buy some decent gear soon to make it less crappy, but geez it would be nice if we could duo.

Corpemen
17 Cleric

[Swish]

[FONT="Century Gothic"]If you have a Smart phone you could tether your wifes computer to get that second IP...

Betting a good deal of plat that you're still catchable :D

[Mxsilverhammer]

I imagine you could be caught, it would be about observation, a judgment call, but we are not talking about two boxing, he is on a waiting list (or was) for 4 weeks, I am just suggesting an alternative to IP Exemption for the purpose of Legitimate Home play with real people. I believe he just wanted to play with the wife at the same time which is ok, so nothing really to get caught doing.

Betting a good deal of plat that you're still catchable :D


Corpemen
17 Cleric

[Swish]

Same issue again though...why get caught and get your account banned for the sake of the inability to wait for the IP exemption? Where are you pulling 4 weeks from?

Try and beat the system if you like, but good things come to those who wait. If I see some suspect boxing going on (as in 1 person playing 2 characters) its going to the judges, and there's many more who do the same.

[Mxsilverhammer]

Same issue again though...why get caught and get your account banned for the sake of the inability to wait for the IP exemption?

Why would you get your account banned if your not two boxing?

Or

Are you saying that two people that play under the same roof, under two seperate accounts, with two seperate computers is a banable offense without an IP exemption?

Corpemen
17 Cleric

[Swish]

What you're saying is that its cool to tether to get around the 2-boxing rule until an IP exemption is granted.

From that, you're risking both accounts...all because you can't wait, and again, where's 4 weeks being pulled from?

Are you saying that two people that play under the same roof, under two seperate accounts, with two seperate computers is a banable offense without an IP exemption?

I'd say if you get caught displaying certain signs of boxing you'll be banned. I don't get why you're arguing this, just be an honorable player and wait for an exemption like everyone else... have you even put one in?

[Mxsilverhammer]

I personally waited 3 weeks after multiple attempts to get a clean copy of Titanium, than another two weeks for an IP exemption before giving up and buying a franklyn hot spot router. (I did tell them i was doing this so they could close my ticket) My ticket was closed without comment. I am so far out in the boonies i was going to probably have to purchase the franklyn anyway. I don’t think my phone tethered to my computer sharing network connectivity with another computer with the max speed of about 56k, was going to work very well.

I don’t think it’s cool to tether for the purpose of two boxing, I think it’s cool to tether so you and your wife can enjoy Classic Everquest together without bothering the already busy volunteer GM's. WIth that said I will mention to anyone who wants to tether, to still petion and let them know what you are doing, so you are on record.


I read somewhere in this thread that it has taken up to 4 weeks, when i have a couple spare hours i will be sure to find it.

[Swish]

I personally waited 3 weeks after multiple attempts to get a clean copy of Titanium

Magnum PI would suggest you say "we waited 3 weeks..."

Still trying to figure out what you're trying to get across in any case... that boxing should be unbanned? That you're proud you've found a way around the system and don't mind sharing it? I'm sure the GMs wouldn't have minded 1 extra IP exemption to process in any case if you'd had the patience to wait.

Playing with 2 computers on P99 must have meant a lot to you anyway to buy an extra method of accessing the internet, but if you paid for Titanium on top of that you probably paid too much :(

If you do happen to look, try to steer clear of 2011 threads - all kinds of crazy waiting periods under Amelinda but she didn't have many others around to help her process them.

[Famous]

just be an honorable player and wait for an exemption like everyone else.

Some people don't need exemptions, I know more than a few people who don't pay for internet at home and simply use their phones as wifi hotspots. Wouldn't those players requesting exemptions be unnecessary and for that matter only open it up to be abused?

[Mxsilverhammer]

Playing with 2 computers on P99 must have meant a lot to you anyway to buy an extra method of accessing the internet, but if you paid for Titanium on top of that you probably paid too much

Yes it does mean a lot
Yes I paid too much (worth it)
Yes I lack patience
No I am not on my high horse for suggesting tethering (just trying to help)
No I don't 2 box
No I don't think the 2 boxing rule should be lifted.
I apologies for bringing it up.

Corpemen
17 Cleric

[odiecat99]

another fucking stupid thread. if you wanna box play any other emu server. or goto red.. nobody gives a fuck about red.

[Famous]

another fucking stupid thread. if you wanna box play any other emu server. or goto red.. nobody gives a fuck about red.

You are posting in a 2 year old sticky.......lol

[odiecat99]

you are too...

[Shinko]

I think the 2 boxing rule should be lifted.

and yes posting in a 2 year old thread


i want to box 2 wars named

Offtank and Maintank

and offtank will be the MT and Maintank will be the OT

[citizen1080]

i want to box 2 wars named

Offtank and Maintank

and offtank will be the MT and Maintank will be the OT

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Archer-Mind-Blown.gif

[webrunner5]

Well there is sort of the Sleeper Server. :) Seems to be going pretty well as far as I see. I play here, there, EqMac and Live. I have the time I am retired.

[Rhambuk]

Well there is sort of the Sleeper Server. :) Seems to be going pretty well as far as I see. I play here, there, EqMac and Live. I have the time I am retired.

Thats a lot of everquest

[bluejam]

http://i.imgur.com/EZU2RXX.jpg

[webrunner5]

Thats a lot of everquest

Please don't remind me. I think I have over 52 alts counting all the servers. I know I need professional help.:eek:

[Rhambuk]

Please don't remind me. I think I have over 52 alts counting all the servers. I know I need professional help.:eek:

Professional help? like surgically getting 2 or 3 more arms attached? :cool: