Two-Boxing

[Bort]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

[Rogean]

A+++ Would sticky again

[Amelinda]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

Me too! *polishes her shiny ban hammer*

A+++ Would sticky again
^

[Motec]

Sounds Albanian

[guineapig]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0902/a-particular-set-of-skills-liam-neeson-taken-movie-skills-sk-demotivational-poster-1234712317.jpg

[xshayla701]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

omg i like you

[iNteg]

Good Luck.

(DID I DO IT RIGHT?)

[Messianic]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

Did your choice of name come from this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g92S5eZ0StQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vihYeWip4g&NR=1

[Pillow Armadillo]

Give em hell, Bort!

[booter]

Quote is from Taken!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/

[Jarcon]

What about 2 seperate people playing from the same house on different computers? I ask as I was setting up an account for my nephew who will be staying wit us this summer, and got a message about a temp ip ban. I was not even logged into my main account when I attempted to login to the second account. Just courious...

[PureLo]

Bort is a Bo$$ for using the Taken quote until further notice...

[hdawg06]

That is a great movie.

[Aangus]

What about 2 seperate people playing from the same house on different computers? I ask as I was setting up an account for my nephew who will be staying wit us this summer, and got a message about a temp ip ban. I was not even logged into my main account when I attempted to login to the second account. Just courious...

you need to apply for an exemption - read the sticky on the subject

[bizzum]

Did your choice of name come from this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g92S5eZ0StQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vihYeWip4g&NR=1

Hes a Borg but he didn't want to let that out so he made his name Bort. The collective consciousness of the guides is to ban all boxers and assimilate us all into one character playing users.

[soup]

What about 2 seperate people playing from the same house on different computers? I ask as I was setting up an account for my nephew who will be staying wit us this summer, and got a message about a temp ip ban. I was not even logged into my main account when I attempted to login to the second account. Just courious...

When did this happen? They used to, for a very long time, have a temporary IP lockout when switching accounts (~5 minutes) but for the last week or so it seems the temp lockout is gone. I'm just asking because if you're still getting the temp IP lockout it means something unusual is happening on my end for the IP lockout to not kick in.

[Jarcon]

It happened about 10 min before the post. I have read and understand the situation at this point. I was mostly concerned with violating the rules/guidlines. It seems to be a safe issue as of now. Only using one account on P1999.

[Amelinda]

What about 2 seperate people playing from the same house on different computers? I ask as I was setting up an account for my nephew who will be staying wit us this summer, and got a message about a temp ip ban. I was not even logged into my main account when I attempted to login to the second account. Just courious...

you need to apply for an exemption - read the sticky on the subject

This is the right answer! Go to the petitions/exploits forum and apply for the IP exemption. :)

You may also get the temp IP ban if you go linkdead and try log in again before you are totally out of the system.

[Mebryn]

Epic quote, now I just want to hunt for two boxers just to see more "Taken" awesomeness.

*Shoves a halfling into the back of a Cab*
Bort: "The two Iksar girls from yesterday, where are they?!"
Halfing: "What?!"
*punch to the ribcage*
Bort: "The next rib punctures your lung!!!"


...damn....i'll be back...i'm going to watch that scene again, lol

[sonicjoose]

Going to start Playing on Classic server, character named Splat :-D

Quit after shadows of luclin expansion

[Akim]

word

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Taken is taken.

[Kuldiin]

Having played for many months on other custom servers, its a shame to see them ruined by being able to box.

I just wish some other servers would adopt the no boxing rules that P1999 has..

[Auvdar]

One day I wanna go drinking with Bort.

[Fourthmeal]

TWo-boxers gonna two-box

[Salty]

~

[beentheredonethat]

what's two-boxing?

[bakkily]

ugh, when you play with two clients at the same time,

its when you play two chars at the same time which is frowned on, not allowed here

they dont want people taking the easy way to lvl up, though many do get away with it

[bakkily]

who are the gm's atm? i know hobby took time off from doing it a few months back,

amelinda i know of, bort i guess is new, who else?

could've used a gm last night

[beentheredonethat]

ugh, when you play with two clients at the same time,

its when you play two chars at the same time which is frowned on, not allowed here

they dont want people taking the easy way to lvl up, though many do get away with it

I see. So its not ok to level up for example a druid to lvl 9 for sows and use them just for that? I've seen a lot of that so far I think.

[Roanoke]

I see. So its not ok to level up for example a druid to lvl 9 for sows and use them just for that? I've seen a lot of that so far I think.

Why anyone would be willing to go through the process of getting an IP exemption, which can apparently take weeks on occasion, just to get a "druid to lvl 9 for sows" is beyond me. I highly doubt this is common.

(Druids get SoW at 14 btw)

[burkemi5]

if you don't have a porting bot clearly you're doing it wrong

[Amelinda]

I'm back again.....so before you log in your second box...realize that i might be online with my tells turned off and creepin on you.....

[Dr4z3r]

I'm back again.....so before you log in your second box...realize that i might be online with my tells turned off and creepin on you.....

<3

[Messianic]

I'm back again.....so before you log in your second box...realize that i might be online with my tells turned off and creepin on you.....

Yay!

I was hoping all that loot drama nonsense wouldn't drive away a great guide.

[Peatree]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

Question, is two boxing what the mormons do?

[Amelinda]

Yay!

I was hoping all that loot drama nonsense wouldn't drive away a great guide.

i "ragequit" for the equivalent of like 2 days maybe. ...mostly it was supposed to be a 2 day break...but then...well...

real life is more important than eq guys. some folks should probably remember that. sometimes things come up in real life that make it impossible to log in or cause the player to say 'do i really want to spend my very limited time with those people right now?' if the answer is no then the person doesn't log in.

[Seaweedpimp]

i "ragequit" for the equivalent of like 2 days maybe. ...mostly it was supposed to be a 2 day break...but then...well...

real life is more important than eq guys. some folks should probably remember that. sometimes things come up in real life that make it impossible to log in or cause the player to say 'do i really want to spend my very limited time with those people right now?' if the answer is no then the person doesn't log in.

wb !

[pragmus]

That has to be one of the most badass stickies I've ever seen.

[Coridan]

Me and my friends are gonna be having a LAN party on Thursday, we'll all be playing level like levels 1-5 just to give the game a shot. Will we have issues with the two-boxing rule? What about roommates playing?

Yeah, stupid noob question, but just wanted to be safe.

[soup]

Me and my friends are gonna be having a LAN party on Thursday, we'll all be playing level like levels 1-5 just to give the game a shot. Will we have issues with the two-boxing rule? What about roommates playing?

Yeah, stupid noob question, but just wanted to be safe.

You're not even going to all be able to login, since without the exemption the server will only allow one account per IP on at a time.

[Coridan]

How do I get the exemption/can I get it by Thursday?

Edit: Hey look an FAQ!

[tokkie]

You won't get a exemption because they never check the petitions.... I get that they don't want people to 2 box. That is understandable but the fact that you and your roommate can't play this awesome game together is also sad.

Everyone tells you to make a exemption but guess what.. they won't answer them. I've been waiting a week now and from what i hear they haven't checked them in months. So much for enjoying this game with your friend

[Lazortag]

You won't get a exemption because they never check the petitions.... I get that they don't want people to 2 box. That is understandable but the fact that you and your roommate can't play this awesome game together is also sad.

Everyone tells you to make a exemption but guess what.. they won't answer them. I've been waiting a week now and from what i hear they haven't checked them in months. So much for enjoying this game with your friend

I have two of my accounts* and my girlfriend's account exempted. I've never heard of it taking longer than 2 weeks to get a reply to an IP exemption petition. The reason it takes so long is because they do all the exemptions in batches to make it easier on themselves. Sometimes it takes longer when people fail to post the correct information. Just relax, you'll get your exemption soon.

*(keep in mind that even though they're both mine, I still have to have someone else logged onto the second one if I want to play them both at once, or else that's 2-boxing. Just clarifying in case I misrepresented the rules)

[greatdane]

That belongs in the PvP forum.

[chuckufarley]

There is two boxing going on at this very moment.Blackburrow.It was reported last night via petition and nothing happened.This is a hoax.NOT INFORCED!! do as you will i guess if you can mask ip's.

[jdx]

There is two boxing going on at this very moment.Blackburrow.It was reported last night via petition and nothing happened.This is a hoax.NOT INFORCED!! do as you will i guess if you can mask ip's.

What makes you so sure it was boxing?

[parlay1]

I think alot of times people assume someone is 2 boxing if there is pling going on, people should be sure before they report someone for something against the rules. If anyone has pl'd people you know how boring it is so you tend to be semi afk (paying attention to television or whatnot), not saying this was the case with this situation.

[parlay1]

Heh I was just in BB with my son (11 years old) and his baby sk had the hyper speed bug and he couldn't control his character without running into mobs and dying so I had him group with me and auto follow me so i could take him to the entrance and his butt could get to bed, from the top of bb to the zone entrance I was accused of 2 boxing by 2 people! So just so everyone knows, auto follow equals 2 boxing evidently.

[Malloy]

I got my IP Exemption in less than 2 days

[Hawkez]

You won't get a exemption because they never check the petitions.... I get that they don't want people to 2 box. That is understandable but the fact that you and your roommate can't play this awesome game together is also sad.

Everyone tells you to make a exemption but guess what.. they won't answer them. I've been waiting a week now and from what i hear they haven't checked them in months. So much for enjoying this game with your friend

I submitted mine on the weekend, Late Friday night. Got the exemption the next day. The read count of my message showed 3 people had viewed it. Looks like they look at them fairly often. Maybe you were missing some key bit of information they needed to do the exemption?

P.S. This JUST happened, yesterday.

[Amelinda]

There is two boxing going on at this very moment.Blackburrow.It was reported last night via petition and nothing happened.This is a hoax.NOT INFORCED!! do as you will i guess if you can mask ip's.

This is an unfair statement.


(A) Just because you think someone is two-boxing doesn't mean they are.
(B) Someone is not on 24/7 I used to be on way more than i am but i'm still on at all hours.
(C) Even if we are online it doesn't mean that we are available to show up and investigate. We may already be entrenched in something of slightly more importance.
(D) Just because you don't get a tell or response doesn't mean that I'm not sitting there invisible, watching the player.
(E) We may have checked into it and found that they are not boxing and visited and gone without a word.....
(F) We are not permitted to discuss player discipline or lack thereof so don't expect us to /tell you "HEY! He was boxing and we perma-banned him. GOOD JOB DETECTIVE TRACEY!"

I submitted mine on the weekend, Late Friday night. Got the exemption the next day. The read count of my message showed 3 people had viewed it. Looks like they look at them fairly often. Maybe you were missing some key bit of information they needed to do the exemption?

P.S. This JUST happened, yesterday.

I try to get to the IP Exemptions as fast as possible but sometimes...it's not possible and you have to wait a few days. :) Glad you were happy. :)

[Thana8088]

(C) Even if we are online it doesn't mean that we are available to show up and investigate. We may already be entrenched in something of slightly more importance.


You mean there's something more important? I thought two-boxing was THE ULTIMATE SIN?

[Daldaen]

MQ / ShowEQ usage > Two-Boxing.

[Awwalike]

never seen this movie but it does look very good.

[Glam]

yea powerlvl is soooo booring so every time I help my son with it I look at movie at same times and it happens alot that I miss to heal him and he die.......

He sitting in another room so I can hear him scream sometimes when he need heal and Im semi afk heheh looking at some movie

So I understand all who powerlvl if they looks a bit semiafk sometimes since its so boring to sit there houers after houers just heal and buff......

cya

[Autozoom]

nice speach!

[raptorak]

Is it against the rules for one player to be in control of 2 characters on 2 different pcs?

[Lazortag]

Is it against the rules for one player to be in control of 2 characters on 2 different pcs?

Yes.

[gnomishfirework]

Is it against the rules for one player to be in control of 2 characters on 2 different pcs?

As long as you only have one logged in at a time, no.

[Snaggles]

Multiboxing is a term used mostly in MMORPGs to refer to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously. This can either be achieved by using multiple separate machines to run the game or by running multiple separate instances of the game.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

[ThriceCloven]

I know you don't want dual-boxing going on and we are not doing that but my roommate finally got a computer together that can play this game and we can't get on the same server cause we have similar IPs. We would like to have them enabled to both work. Shaqnasty and thricecloven are the account names. I hope I am in the right spot and thanks for the help with this!

[EnnoiaII]

Petition forum>IP exemption. Takes a week to a month.

[Fultun]

Petition forum>IP exemption. Takes a week to a month.

Mine took less than a day. !! And then I think we've only needed it once. But nice to have the option when my son comes to the thouse wth his laptop, which most likely at Christmas will happen.

[ThriceCloven]

thanks didn't know where to go on this.

[Since1]

Mine was granted next day.

I got the exemption so me and my brother could play, we now have a roommate interested in playing. Do I need to request another exemption?

[Amelinda]

Mine was granted next day.

I got the exemption so me and my brother could play, we now have a roommate interested in playing. Do I need to request another exemption?

yes. include all account names that will be used together please.

[Since1]

Will do, appreciate the quick response.

[Rezek]

I'm hoping a GM takes a look at mine before christmas..A computer with p99 is my sons present.

[HighHealz]

from what i've gathered about everquest as a whole two-boxing sounds like it'd be freakin hard to do.

[Lindalind]

No, it made it made it to easy ,I'm so glad it isn't here.
I notice you are coming to play with a partner, an ip exemption doesn't mean you can use both accounts by yourself at anytime.
That would be two-boxing and result in a perma-ban.
I decided to mention it because you sound pretty new in general to Project1999 as a whole and might not take it too seriously.

[HighHealz]

i'm about 50/50 on my seriousness level, while i dont take it serious because its been a hinderence to me and my 2 friends who would like to play together, but i do understand its a rule and i agree with said ruling..and so we 3 shall wait untill all is resolved.

[Vidrata]

I used to two box, then I took an arrow to the knee.

[Farrakhan]

I won't 2 box on the server as I respect the mission and the rules.

I two-boxed a warrior and cleric (both reached lvl 65- quit after playing the Luclin release for awhile). I had two computers, and it was pretty easy. I simply hot key the heals and buffs for my cleric. I even led raids with my MT, and had my cleric in the heal rotation lol (with no Vent). I enjoyed the challenge more than the perceived benefits. Groups would be amazed at my tanking and healing exploits. If I ever felt I couldn't keep up in a group, I'd simply be up-front and say they should get another cleric.

Farrakhan - Bard of 6 Seasons

[Farrakhan]

confirmed ****** irl

HarrisonPVPWins must be a tough guy.

http://img.memecenter.com/uploaded/1494c04c3785eb2689c595e20b55d16cb.jpg

[oggo]

So I am guessing we are not allowed to 2 box lol

[Humerox]

So I am guessing we are not allowed to 2 box lol

You'd be guessing right. 2-box earns a permanent ban...and they are very good at catching people that do it.

[wolvesoflegend]

A+++ Would sticky again

Thanks again for server GMs and server guides. ;)

[Dekrastius]

I just have a hard time fully supporting this rule. While I have not broken it... I am older now with a career and a family and I dont have to time to jump into groups and level constantly... It'd be nice for people to have to ability to dual box.. I remember my brother and I both had dual accounts and boxed in classic and kunark days. While I respect the rules, I do not have to agree with them. Thanks to our administrators who keep the server up and running and for all their hard work. I also understand their wanton needs to keep the game as real / close to as it was originally but due to the low population (and dont tell me 500 people isn't low), its difficult to say the least to experience anything CLOSE to what EQ was really like.

Cheers.

[LizardNecro]

Dekrastius, I appreciate your argument. Let me give you a differing view. My first character on live was a warrior. It can be quite frustrating to be LFG as an untwinked, poorly geared warrior. One of the core ways to start a group was to find a cleric who was LFG.

I remember finding a warrior cleric duo who were xping. I asked them if I could join. The cleric didn't say anything, and the warrior said he was fine, thanks. I realized that this was a single individual who was boxing.

By boxing, this person effectively removed himself from the pool of available group mates. If he had been a cleric unable to box, then that would have been someone I could have grouped with.

On live, this problem was somewhat mitigated by the fact that it was expensive to box. You had to pay 2x the subscription fee, so not everyone did it. But on an emu, accounts are free. I checked in some of the other emu servers, and I could *never* find a group. Why? Because everyone was boxing! Boxing completely destroys the grouping aspect of EQ when it is done on a large scale.

So I would make the argument that it's especially important to keep boxing banned. And this is honestly the only reason I started playing on this server in the first place. I never would have made a character on a server where boxing was allowed, because I'm interested in playing EQ *with* other people, not being surrounded by boxers.

[Dekrastius]

I acknowledge your points, and I, too, understand the need of grouping to make the EQ experience validated. The problem is... Lets say Velious comes out and virtually everyone is there exploring the new expansion and getting the new gear. In the event that you start a new character, it would be massively difficult to solo or find a group even in CB, SolB, or anywhere else in classic or Kunark - save for those who want to experience more of those areas, but it would be limited.

I, too, ran into many boxers. But if a limit was placed to say 2 boxes, 3 people could effectively make a great full group. I had a hard time finding a group on live - let alone in P99. Its an extremely painful process which is continuing me from coming back for the time being. Live gave me heart aches over no groups, but now the population is 1/1000 of live and it has become virtually non-existant.

So under the assumption you are grouping your boxed toons with other boxed toons, youre still playing with others, youre just eliminating the need to make a full group instead of 2-3 in a group who cant do anything or progress as fast as a full group would.

My first character was a MONK on live... No one ever wanted me to group, especially at lower leves and majority of my time was spent FD'ing, or masters all my skills to their highest degree. I LOVED my monk, but until he was in his mid thirties, he was virtually unwanted. Soloing as a monk for that time was absolutely dreadful.

I appreciate the server's want and need to remain as close to classic as possible, but I still retain my position of , there are too few players for this to be the real classic experience... Unless more players could be added into the game, it will be difficult to progress, experience and feel the world of EverQuest.

Thank you for your differing opinion though Liz, I agree with everything you said, I simply cannot spend the time to solo or sit LFG for hours on end =*( --- wish I could reverse the clock and relive it all again on Live.

[Swish]

If you open the door to boxing, you'll see a bunch of duos running around...and someone who doesn't like boxing who wants to group funnily then can't group because the boxers in some cases are fine with the XP rate without someone else watering it down.

Shifting the goalposts isn't going to solve the population "problem", if it is a problem...it's certainly not 1/1000 in comparison, probably 1/3 compared to average server populations on live during Kunark.

[Lunanegra]

I have a quick question. I completely agree with the no boxing rule. I agree it ruins the game to see groups where there is only one player. So I really support this rule. In live I boxed sometimes but I never actually enjoyed (was more necessity after no being ubber and not having group, than something I liked).

So no worries about this rule.

But... I worry about other game small activities like logging with two accounts for transfering items, rezzing a friend who is not online, corpse summoning... Is that a problem too? It is two accounts, but... is not multiboxing! No exp, no hunting, no nameds... just necessary activities!

In the old days with no shared bank, logging with two accounts is the only way to transfer items between your characters...

[Szeth]

Don't do it.

[Haul]

boxers suck

[Boombha]

virtually everyone is there exploring the new expansion

That's not going to happen. There will always be low level alts in low level zones. There will be new players to the game, in low level zones.

The first few months, it may be more difficult to find groups, but I doubt it will be impossible.

[Timpl]

What I find amusing is the total Nazi approach to 2boxing, yet allow the selling of accounts and powerlvling for money. Which IMO is worse because have people in Kurn's Tower getting pl with no mobs left for anyone else.

[Holey]

i box













on ez server LOL

yeah boxings boring.

[Phallax]

But... I worry about other game small activities like logging with two accounts for transfering items, rezzing a friend who is not online, corpse summoning... Is that a problem too? It is two accounts, but... is not multiboxing! No exp, no hunting, no nameds... just necessary activities!

In the old days with no shared bank, logging with two accounts is the only way to transfer items between your characters...

The problem with this is its very easily abused. A strict NOto the rule for any reason eliminates any abusive behavior or loopholes players can and will find.

2boxing is abused already as is with people claiming they have friends/roommates/significant others that play, when indeed theyre single basement dwellers.

[TheDougler]

What I find amusing is the total Nazi approach to 2boxing, yet allow the selling of accounts and powerlvling for money. Which IMO is worse because have people in Kurn's Tower getting pl with no mobs left for anyone else.

Look at how dumb you are

[Zithax]

Look at how dumb you are

Read your own post idiot

[zeo_1987]

What if im not trying to box im trying to play with a friend in the same room like the old days? the server disconnects whoever doesnt log in first.

Is there any way to get a small lan party with my friend (who atm doesnt have internet ) going like old times?

[DeathByCactus]

Please check the ip exemption thread.

[zeo_1987]

Thank you will do.

[Scavrefamn]

I just have a hard time fully supporting this rule. While I have not broken it... I am older now with a career and a family and I dont have to time to jump into groups and level constantly...

There are many other servers that have tons of players that two-box where it is both encouraged and celebrated.

Join one of those?

[Flunklesnarkin]

You're probably gonna get trolled for asking.

but you can post in the petition section of the forum and ask for an IP exemption.

[Nolanite]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for xp, I can tell you I don't have xp. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop two boxing now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.

Amelinda stop jacking Bort's swag!

[Hoop]

Yeah, and thats a great movie and we all know the final result...funny, saw a guy two boxing just last night at giant fort in bw..he tried to make it look as though two peeps were playing but two boxing has certin behaviors...

[envino]

My son and I are planning on playing together when/if our IP exemption is approved. 2 computers one house. I'm a little paranoid to do so after seeing all this. Man I'm not going to do anything that even smells sorta like two boxing. Wish us luck!

[Scavrefamn]

Trust me Envino, you will not get in trouble.

I play with my little brother and my father.
None of us has fear of bans or suspensions because we know that we never two box.
The only people who are punished are two-boxers, they deny their guilt just to try and make P99 look bad.

Do not worry about anything, Amelinda and Bort(Especially Amelinda) are very intelligent people who will never punish the innocent.

[Smyd]

never punish the innocent.[/B]
punish the innocent.[/B]
the innocent.[/B]
innocent.[/B]

I support your cause to punish the innocent.

[Smyd]

whoa that came out pretty borked. meh =p

[IronLikeALionInZion]

two boxing is bad for community

[jdx]

two boxing is bad for community

Exactly! You WILL play with elitist d*ckheads and you will LIKE IT! CAPISH???

[stonez138]

Exactly! You WILL play with elitist d*ckheads and you will LIKE IT! CAPISH???

I have always found boxers to be elitists....
"Hey got room for a (insert class/lvl here) in group?"
"NO...I'm boxing" or in other words I have no use for you because I want all xp/loot for myself.

[obie26]

Unfortunatly i will no longer be logging into P99 due to this rule. The reason i started on this server was to play with a good friend I met back while playing Live. Back then things were different as i had no obligations in life. I dont remember how many times Ive counted 8+ hour grind sessions. As i seen some say they play on top of work, kids, etc. I ask how you do it? Having a 6 month old daughter now, my play times are random at best. Not only that, when (not if) she decides to wake up i must walk away from my computer/group. That said, proper group etiquette is compleatly gone. Find a replacment? Not likely. Piss people off to the point they wont group you anymore? More often than not. Now if i could create a little healer bot, It wouldnt be compleatly pointless to log in for any less that 2-3 hours. Because lets face it if you cant get at least that much time you aint getting xp. I see both sides of the fence however. I understand the rules and would never break them. I started on Live with a computer that could barely run the game so boxing was out of the question. It used to grind my gears when i would see a boxxer that wouldnt group me. BUT. An elitist d*ckhead is still an elitist d*ckhead no matter what! They exsist in every game, and they arent going away. Basically what i found is if they have that mentality, would you really want to group with them anyway? Now after having boxed up to 5 toons on Live I never once turned down a player that found me and asked to join. Key words, found me. I would camp deep knowing that anyone that did find me would more that likely be a quality player. Not because im an elitist d*ckhead, but because a bad player is a liability. Just like in any group. Also if that player happened to be a healer/slower/tank, thats a bonus, less work i had to do. I guess thats where the difference stands, i was always willing to drop toons to add real people to my group. Which is why i dont agree with the no boxxing policy. If i start with a group i will always have a group, where as building a group takes time and effort along with agreement and understanding. I do think a lot of good can come from allowing 1 boxed toon per person for the simple fact that 2 chars alone cant take on what a full group can. Everyone says RL comes first, everyone plays to have fun, why cant i do both?

[Flunklesnarkin]

If you dont have a lot of time to play with others.. it might be a good idea to pick a class that can solo.


so even if you only have say an hour or two to play.. you can log on and "get stuff done"


you don't need to box to play the game if you have RL commitments i guess is what i'm trying to say.


just adjust your gameplay to reflect that.


a wizard or druid might be up your alley.. aoe kite stuff.. burn all your mana.. then med / afk

[Scavrefamn]

If you dont have a lot of time to play with others.. it might be a good idea to pick a class that can solo.


That's the obvious response to that horrendous wall of text.


He should just play a solo class np.

[Grozmok]

As i seen some say they play on top of work, kids, etc. I ask how you do it? Having a 6 month old daughter now, my play times are random at best. Not only that, when (not if) she decides to wake up i must walk away from my computer/group.
So, I have a nine month old and I can manage to get in ~1.5-2 hours a night by playing after I put her to bed. When I'm looking after her, I can still step away for a moment or two to sell shit in EC.

Because lets face it if you cant get at least that much time you aint getting xp. I see both sides of the fence however. I understand the rules and would never break them. I started on Live with a computer that could barely run the game so boxing was out of the question. It used to grind my gears when i would see a boxxer that wouldnt group me.
It comes down to managing your expectations. If you roll a new character and are *already* having dreams of being level 60 and rolling/DKP on dragon loot you're setting yourself up for stress/anxiety. If your life does not support your expectations for the game, you either change your expectations, change your life or go play/do something else.

:confused:

I came here for the grouping (that means no boxers, I want players that are invested in their characters and are a face on the server, not a zombie that exists only to heal another character) so you get that practically at level 4. I don't need a CoF, Fungi and all that other shit to get what I came here for.

It's about the journey and not the destination for me, but you play the game you want.

:cool:

[Tseng]

Unfortunatly i will no longer be logging into P99 due to this rule. The reason i started on this server was to play with a good friend I met back while playing Live. Back then things were different as i had no obligations in life. I dont remember how many times Ive counted 8+ hour grind sessions. As i seen some say they play on top of work, kids, etc. I ask how you do it? Having a 6 month old daughter now, my play times are random at best. Not only that, when (not if) she decides to wake up i must walk away from my computer/group. That said, proper group etiquette is compleatly gone. Find a replacment? Not likely. Piss people off to the point they wont group you anymore? More often than not. Now if i could create a little healer bot, It wouldnt be compleatly pointless to log in for any less that 2-3 hours. Because lets face it if you cant get at least that much time you aint getting xp. I see both sides of the fence however. I understand the rules and would never break them. I started on Live with a computer that could barely run the game so boxing was out of the question. It used to grind my gears when i would see a boxxer that wouldnt group me. BUT. An elitist d*ckhead is still an elitist d*ckhead no matter what! They exsist in every game, and they arent going away. Basically what i found is if they have that mentality, would you really want to group with them anyway? Now after having boxed up to 5 toons on Live I never once turned down a player that found me and asked to join. Key words, found me. I would camp deep knowing that anyone that did find me would more that likely be a quality player. Not because im an elitist d*ckhead, but because a bad player is a liability. Just like in any group. Also if that player happened to be a healer/slower/tank, thats a bonus, less work i had to do. I guess thats where the difference stands, i was always willing to drop toons to add real people to my group. Which is why i dont agree with the no boxxing policy. If i start with a group i will always have a group, where as building a group takes time and effort along with agreement and understanding. I do think a lot of good can come from allowing 1 boxed toon per person for the simple fact that 2 chars alone cant take on what a full group can. Everyone says RL comes first, everyone plays to have fun, why cant i do both?

Sounds like you don't have the time to play EverQuest. So don't play.

[Faisca]

If boxing is that important to people the best move is really to abandon project 1999, instead of complaining about not being allowed to do it here.

Those who like to play EQ in a server where boxing is allowed can do it anywhere else. Even on Live they can do it, and for free.

These constant complaints about this rule are nothing but attempts to try to remove it, which is not fair for those who like it and have no other option but this server.

[Grozmok]

It's not going anywhere. Boxing will never be allowed.

[obie26]

i understand the point of a solo class but thats just not my style. i wasnt complaining was just sharing an opinion/point of view. i dont agree therefore i go somewhere else (eqmac). sorry if i offended anyone that was not my intent. nor was it to persuade boxxing to be allowed. it was just my 2cp. so thanks for flames?

[teekanc]

It's ok if you're only half the man everyone else is.

[Vraji]

It's ok if you're only half the man everyone else is.

Not going to lie but that's a pretty f'ed up thing to say. Keyboard warrior eh?

[churchill]

I get that two-boxing is undesirable, but thats far less of a pain in the backside than not being able to play at the same time as my Mrs.

It's a month since 'applying' for the IP exemption, and still hasn't been done - frankly I'd prefer people 2box away than this 'fix' be in place.

[Slave]

I get that two-boxing is undesirable, but thats far less of a pain in the backside than not being able to play at the same time as my Mrs.

It's a month since 'applying' for the IP exemption, and still hasn't been done - frankly I'd prefer people 2box away than this 'fix' be in place.

I really, really hear you on this. It was at least 3 weeks before we received our IP exemption and I felt every hour of it. I don't really know what else to say except hang in there. Did you do everything by the book?

Apart from that... no 2-boxing is basically is what makes this server have such a high population. It's the (mostly) Classic EverQuest that we remember. Grouping is all-important and there is an extremely active lower-level community.

[churchill]

Yeah did everything by the book, but no views and no replies.

That being said, whilst two-boxing is the big bad, I've noticed as I start grinding my way that zones like WC/EC just have twinks grouped up with a guildie powerlevelling them. I don't see how this 'defeats' two-boxing at all. The same behaviour is still taking place, I just don't have my wife to group with so its an adventure of soloing.

Sure there are some legit groups, but I think now I'm in the teens its becoming about the stage the powerlevel phenomenon kicks in.

Pretty lame.

At least I will finally be able to buy some decent gear soon to make it less crappy, but geez it would be nice if we could duo.

[Swish]

I've noticed as I start grinding my way that zones like WC/EC just have twinks grouped up with a guildie powerlevelling them. I don't see how this 'defeats' two-boxing at all.

There is a lot of that going on. I don't mind powerlevelling as long as its not affecting other groups in the area. For instance, if a PL group turns up in Mistmoore and starts pulling everything during the peak hours (which has happened to me and I have seen it going on while on alts) then its wrecking the area for other groups.

There is still a marked difference between some guy PLing a group at the orc camp in EC/Crushbone and permanently having a second character under your control. There's other servers on the emulator if you want to go and have a go at that and their populations aren't too shabby in some cases.

What people don't like is others getting an advantage which is understandable if you're just starting and there's casters running amuck in Froglok robes and shiny armors. Unfortunately the playing field isn't and never will be level - and depending how long you've been around on the server that's just how it is (and probably why there's some backing for wiping Red and making a 2nd Blue server).

Allowing boxing wouldn't change the server population much, you'll just have less people who are playing 1 character as boxers don't like grouping and the rest won't want the extra LFG time. I'd go as far to say that it would kill off the population in the 35-45 range where groups are already a bit more tricky to come by.

[Amelinda]

Unfortunatly i will no longer be logging into P99 due to this rule. The reason i started on this server was to play with a good friend I met back while playing Live. Back then things were different as i had no obligations in life. I dont remember how many times Ive counted 8+ hour grind sessions. As i seen some say they play on top of work, kids, etc. I ask how you do it? Having a 6 month old daughter now, my play times are random at best. Not only that, when (not if) she decides to wake up i must walk away from my computer/group. That said, proper group etiquette is compleatly gone. Find a replacment? Not likely. Piss people off to the point they wont group you anymore? More often than not. Now if i could create a little healer bot, It wouldnt be compleatly pointless to log in for any less that 2-3 hours. Because lets face it if you cant get at least that much time you aint getting xp. I see both sides of the fence however. I understand the rules and would never break them. I started on Live with a computer that could barely run the game so boxing was out of the question. It used to grind my gears when i would see a boxxer that wouldnt group me. BUT. An elitist d*ckhead is still an elitist d*ckhead no matter what! They exsist in every game, and they arent going away. Basically what i found is if they have that mentality, would you really want to group with them anyway? Now after having boxed up to 5 toons on Live I never once turned down a player that found me and asked to join. Key words, found me. I would camp deep knowing that anyone that did find me would more that likely be a quality player. Not because im an elitist d*ckhead, but because a bad player is a liability. Just like in any group. Also if that player happened to be a healer/slower/tank, thats a bonus, less work i had to do. I guess thats where the difference stands, i was always willing to drop toons to add real people to my group. Which is why i dont agree with the no boxxing policy. If i start with a group i will always have a group, where as building a group takes time and effort along with agreement and understanding. I do think a lot of good can come from allowing 1 boxed toon per person for the simple fact that 2 chars alone cant take on what a full group can. Everyone says RL comes first, everyone plays to have fun, why cant i do both?

I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way. When I started on P99 I was the single mother of a barely 3 year old little girl and a 20 month old son. They are not able to care for themselves any better than a 6 month old. In fact they could just climb better and had better fine motor skills to get into trouble. I limited myself to a few hours a night of EQ. I have 3 soloable classes. Bard, Mage, Necro. I never logged in when they were awake.

I did start playing when they were awake at times and you know...I had to walk away from my group occasionally. They almost always understood. One or two people would be miffed out of like 20 that it happened with. but whatever. They could suck it up. My babies are far more important to me than some dumb game. Just like your baby is far more important to you than Everquest. I bet most players would be totally fine with you walking away mid-group to settle her or just logging suddenly due to emergencies. it happens.
PS: To the people worried about ip exemptions, it's coming. real life & other stuff has gotten in the way. also computer problems got in the way. :(

just please be patient and do not pm me about them.

[HappyTr33z]

PS: To the people worried about ip exemptions, it's coming. real life & other stuff has gotten in the way. also computer problems got in the way. :(

just please be patient and do not pm me about them.

Good to have some news on the subject :) I was beginning to worry. Hope you got everything IRL sorted out.

[Sephiroth781]

This is the right answer! Go to the petitions/exploits forum and apply for the IP exemption. :)

How long does it take to process? My wife and I are really wanting to get started. Right now I'm just fooling around on a necro until the exemption goes through.

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[Sephiroth781]

PS: To the people worried about ip exemptions, it's coming. real life & other stuff has gotten in the way. also computer problems got in the way. :(

just please be patient and do not pm me about them.

Didn't see that before I posted. I'm just happy its still going to happen. I don't want to sound rude but I don't suppose we have an ETA?

[gnomishfirework]

Didn't see that before I posted. I'm just happy its still going to happen. I don't want to sound rude but I don't suppose we have an ETA?

They do it in batches, and it takes like 2 weeks to a month. Make sure you have all thecorrect info in the post (BOTH account names are needed). Make sure its tagged correctly. Then, just be patient. It can take a while. You just need to share until then.

[Sephiroth781]

They do it in batches, and it takes like 2 weeks to a month. Make sure you have all thecorrect info in the post (BOTH account names are needed). Make sure its tagged correctly. Then, just be patient. It can take a while. You just need to share until then.

Kinda what we're doing now. I'm paitent. Wife is going to see a friend in another state at the end of this month / first week of next so not really having too much issue with the waiting currently.

[Barlimen]

I don't believe a batch has been done since March so hopefully any day now.

[Kevlar]

I never really understood the totalitarian stance against 2-boxing here. EQ is not a solo friendly game, and on a server with low population, one that takes away even a smidgen of the noob friendliness of later expacs, its even more unfriendly here.

I can understand the part about how 2-boxers ruin games when taken to extremes, ala Sam Deathwalker, but that guy was nothing more than a sad joke. The fact is melee players are screwed on P1999 at the mercy of LFG and the charity of others. I don't know exactly what the server makeup is, but I bet a very large portion of it is mages, necros, and druids just because of the impossibility of soloing a melee. I tried a bard, the easiest melee class, and even that is a royal pain.

Most people who I played with on live who had a melee class boxed a shaman. Its just how it was. Shaman group very well with wars, sks, and monks. It didn't stop these guys from forming groups, it started the core of many groups, and if the group filled up the boxed shaman would just be boxed out of the group for extra heals or slows or whatever was needed while all the mains got xp.

With the IP exemption thing it would still keep down out of control boxing, you are only allowing one exemption per account, at least that is how I think it works. It would be a lot easier to form groups of 3 boxers than it would to solo a warrior to 60.

Just my 2cp on the issue.

[HarrisonIsStillPosting]

2boxing destroys the game.

[Namegen_Isterrible]

I never really understood the totalitarian stance against 2-boxing here. EQ is not a solo friendly game, and on a server with low population, one that takes away even a smidgen of the noob friendliness of later expacs, its even more unfriendly here.

Noobs to EQ don't know how to play a single class in the game well, let alone how to play multiple classes well together at the same time. So how exactly would boxing help noobs?

[redgiant]

I never really understood the totalitarian stance against 2-boxing here. EQ is not a solo friendly game ...


You are correct, EQ is not a solo friendly game. It isn't supposed to be, other than the well-known classes and cases that can do so by its design for kiting, pets, etc. And even then the definition of 'solo' is not exactly what Wowtards would call solo today.

First law of human MMO behavior: If it is perceived as solo-friendly, you will solo. Not group. It's the reason any other MMO out there has no need for grouping. It is a big part of why people don't say 2 words to each other, or get to know many players through their characters any more.

Boxing is the same as mercs, and supposedly for the same rationale.

... one that takes away even a smidgen of the noob friendliness of later expacs, its even more unfriendly here. ...


Lol, what? EQ at its friendliest and most social was classic, Kunark, Velious.

Now if by n00b friendliest, you mean "easy fights, no penalties, overpowered gear, soloable or mercable, no class interdependence/socialization for travel or economy" then I guess later expansions would be all that.

If you think those are normal traits for EQ to have, then you should play on live (or Fippy to pretend to play classic) - those are the antithesis of why p99 was made and who mainly plays it.

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Btw, I hope when they check for boxing, they check machine ID and not just MAC address of network cards, since you can have 2 clients on the same machine using a different card. But also checking to ensure different machines means they would have to fake using a VM or really have 2 machines, and boxing usually isn't done acrss VMs or machines.

Legit people always play on diff machines; boxers almost never do (other than VMs maybe if they knew machine ID was being checked).

If you can detect physical host machine ID, even better to not be fooled by VMs either.

[Hitchens]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

[Kevlar]

If you think those are normal traits for EQ to have, then you should play on live (or Fippy to pretend to play classic) - those are the antithesis of why p99 was made and who mainly plays it.


Actually, I did fippy for a couple of months, but the raid guilds there make the ones on P99 look like saints. That and every mob over level 50 is perma-camped. It was fun leveling up, but the servers were way too crowded in the beginning. Maybe its better now, but I've found a new server to explore that does allow boxing, and having a blast. Bonus is its F2P.

[Daldaen]

Still awaiting my approval to 4 box a 60 Shaman, Druid, Cleric and Enchanter who can't leave EC and are permarooted in tunnel so that I may buff noobs.

[fishingme]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

[Danyelle]

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

You should leave opinions out of any argument you intend to be taken seriously. Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion. Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion. However, that being said, you are still right. There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing, since there is no modern EQ server that also prohibits boxing.

In the end, the staff of any given server, be it Sony, Rogean, Cavedude etc, has the final say in what they want on their server and boxing is included in that. Since you shouldn't expect them to make a second server, one for boxing and one without it, just to satiate your needs (It'd be pointless anyway, most of the players would play the boxing enabled server just for convenience-sake whether they box themselves or not.) you're left to make the decision of what you want more. Classic EQ? Or the ability to box 2+ characters? People should thoroughly think that over before starting to play on P99, because the server's rules aren't going to change just for you.

[Sephiroth781]

Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion.

FACT: Omens of War Destroyed EQ

Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion.

There seems to be a lot of people who share this supposed opinion. Not disputing it though, just wanted to point that out.

So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box.

Because of this server rule my wife and I can't play together. Life has intervened for those responsible for approving IP Exemptions. If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here. Admittedly I don't have all of the information, but if this is a recurring theme, then one has to question why.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.

Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing.

Modern servers and servers that prohibit boxing are NOT polar opposites. I've been on live long enough to know that close to everyone boxes or has the ability to box. For some, mercs are too much of an XP drain. What do they do if the party gets big? Drop the box. And a few people here said they'd do the same thing. So based on that, here is my question...

What is the real reason they don't allow boxing? Why do the people who legitimately have 2 or more players behind their router have to suffer?

GIS Result for Multiboxing

[nilbog]

If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here.

Damn bro. Some real life services take longer than this. There was a down time of ip exemptions in lieu of other things. They are being worked on.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.System has worked and been massively approved of for going on 3 years. There was down time; that doesn't mean stop offering an optional service which helps people. It sounds to me like you are saying, if it's not working for me, it shouldn't work for anyone. Give us some credit.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.
Earlier today, I posted:

IP exemptions are being completed. There are plans in the works to alleviate this issue for the future.

Amelinda currently does the exemptions. Long ago, I did them, and let me tell you... it is time-consuming. Rogean created an alternate in-game command which helps speed this along.

Anyways, IP exemptions do exist and I am in the process of decreasing the wait time.

[Sephiroth781]

Guess I missed it. And that wasn't what I was saying at all. If you guys are handling the situation, cool... I'm content to wait a bit longer. Sorry if it sounds like I'm badgering you guys, I really don't mean to.

[snow_man]

For those complaining about boxing... and talking about the only way to level a melee is by hand outs, imagine if everyone could box, and how much less handouts would be. If you can't picture it, or want to speculate how it would go, let me save you the trouble. I came here from Shards of Dalaya (sorry don't mean to advertise for another game, but this really isn't advertisment anyway.) It's another emulated server that was started by Wiz (you'll see his name all over the eqemu forums). He no longer runs that server, as he is working on a legit-to-market type game now. Anyway, away from my tangeant and to the point. I left that server for 2 reasons, corrupt GM's (and for those that bitch that GM's aren't fair here, you guys have no idea how bad it can get...) and because of boxing. Every top tier player has one of EVERY class, as well as multiple of other's. Generally bots in most cities so they can buff. There are never hand outs because the endless supply of gear is funneled to their alt, any upgraded hand me down gear from that alt goes to one of their other alts.

This may not sound so bad, ok so no hand me down gear. Now imagine having 2 of everyone of the super campers camped around the nice spawns of the server. Imagine not ever seeing Fungi or whatever item your after, because the same group of guys have been hogging the same spawn for the past month trying to get that prize item for their 12+ alts. Imagine TMO (I only use them because they are the ones that are quick to snipe kills) camping out ALL planes, becuase each of their members needs to gear every alt they have, because when you can run 2 characters, you never know which two will be needed for the next big kill, so you have to go through each plane multiple times. Great, so now you can box and you can have a shaman that can heal your warrior up to level 50. What do you do when you get to 50 since everyone that was normally LFG now has a nice boxed combo taking up Karnor's, Seb, HS, and just about every other zone. This doesn't come from an, "I think this will happen" point of view. This comes from an, "I've been on a server where this DOES happen, because it was allowed" point of view.

On a side note, as much as I am NOT in favor of boxing 90% of the time, I think server numbers generate larger server numbers. I think there should be some type of coding that basically says, if numbers are less than other servers, X ammount of boxes (the difference between this server and the server with the highest number) are allowed on. As non-boxes log on, the first box set logged on, has a character logged off at random. I know people would complain that, what if im in the middle of a fight, I might die? That would just be a risk people would have to take if they wanted to box. It would basically a fake hyper inflation of numbers, and helps the dead hours of the server to maintain numbers.

I realize this would be a nightmare to code, just a random dream/thought of mine =) (Before I get trolled for this, I know horrible idea, but hey random idea's can sometimes get spurred into better idea's =p)

[Dannermax]

Thumps up for an informative post snowman..i believe aswell that Two boxing will unfortunately kill some of the group dynamics in the game..it's human nature to choose to solo rather than group if its the easiest alternative!!

[Kevlar]

Funny I've been handed more gear and buffs on EQMac, a server where everyone boxes in a week than I was handed on P1999 in over a year. And I'm not talking shiny brass shield either. This is dragon loot.

Regularly people run by with buff bots in tow and stop to throw buffs at me from all 3 toons with me never saying a word to them. Its a far cry from the stone faced level 60s in ECT on p1999 who rarley even acknowledge the buff beggars exist.

[Hitchens]

Well sure, it's easier to give away loot when you can farm it all by yourself. It's also easier to buff everyone who asks for it when you have C3.

[QuantumZebra]

The guy who posted about banning someone got banned.

Lulz. :rolleyes:

[Scavrefamn]

Funny I've been handed more gear and buffs on EQMac, a server where everyone boxes in a week than I was handed on P1999 in over a year. And I'm not talking shiny brass shield either. This is dragon loot.Regularly people run by with buff bots in tow and stop to throw buffs at me from all 3 toons with me never saying a word to them. Its a far cry from the stone faced level 60s in ECT on p1999 who rarley even acknowledge the buff beggars exist.


If you want cleric buffs, find a cleric to group with.
If you want enchanter buffs, find an enchanter to group with.

Buff bots, free loot, those are all horrible things.

[Kevlar]

If you want cleric buffs, find a cleric to group with.
If you want enchanter buffs, find an enchanter to group with.

Buff bots, free loot, those are all horrible things.

Yes, and sitting LFG for two or three hours is a wonderful way to spend an evening.

[Maze]

boxing is gay /thread

[Hitchens]

Yes, and sitting LFG for two or three hours is a wonderful way to spend an evening.

Instead of sitting LFG, why not form a group?

It's cool that you're having fun on EQMac, but I doubt there will ever be boxing here.

[Kevlar]

Instead of sitting LFG, why not form a group?

It's cool that you're having fun on EQMac, but I doubt there will ever be boxing here.

Instead of giving advice when you play three solo classes, why don't you start an untwinked melee and try leveling up to 20? I don't have a problem with the server rules here, I just never understood that one, especially when people boxing get perma-bans but known exploiters/cheaters just get wrist slapped.

[Hitchens]

Instead of giving advice when you play three solo classes, why don't you start an untwinked melee and try leveling up to 20? I don't have a problem with the server rules here, I just never understood that one, especially when people boxing get perma-bans but known exploiters/cheaters just get wrist slapped.

Because I don't want to play a melee.

Enjoy EQMac. I genuinely hope you've found what you're looking for.

[Sephiroth781]

Ok this conversation made me laugh. The highlights and my thoughts on the points.

Yes, and sitting LFG for two or three hours is a wonderful way to spend an evening.

i can't tell you how many times this happened to me even on live in back in the day. I usually give up after 45 minutes if I can't get a group.

Instead of giving advice when you play three solo classes, why don't you start an untwinked melee and try leveling up to 20? I don't have a problem with the server rules here, I just never understood that one, especially when people boxing get perma-bans but known exploiters/cheaters just get wrist slapped.

Ouch. I had to take a double take at Hitchens character list when this accusation was thrown. I've never considered Shammy to be a good soloist, but I guess with a Troll it's doable.

But let me get this straight: Two boxers get perma-banned but someone with constantly exploits or cheats doesn't? That's a bit rubbish.

Because I don't want to play a melee.

Enjoy EQMac. I genuinely hope you've found what you're looking for.

Sorry, this sounded like a cop out to me.

One of my first characters on live back in the kunark era was a DE Warrior. Got her to 12 solo before things got too painful and I had to start grouping. It was actually hard getting groups with her too, probably because I was playing a race that wasn't "ideal" for the class. Well I didn't want to be one of the several hundred people playing Ogre, Troll or Barbarian. Min/maxing was never my thing. I like playing interesting combos where allowed and of course, I suffer for it but I accept that.

I've been on Titan a few times (had to reinstall because the custom spell file for p1999 makes playing on most other servers impossible), where boxing is not just allowed, its encouraged. I've turned down handouts from others while playing my Ranger because I wanted to experience it on my own. Technically speaking with my wife out of town I could box... but our computers are set up on opposite sides of the room, and I ain't rearranging my entire apartment just to try to two box on a custom server.

Point of the above, I didn't see a problem. But... not my decision to make.

Bottom Line: Whatever happens, I'm okay with it. Two Boxing being strictly disallowed on this server is the decision of the mods. If you don't like it, tough. As many have said before, they're not going to change their policies no matter how much you whine, bitch and moan about it. A cockamamie ideas like limited boxing slots to keep numbers up aren't just hard to code, they'd clog up the servers too much so likely not happening.

I've accepted it. Ya'll need to cowboy up and accept it.

TL/DR: Quit bitching, nothing's going to change. Accept it and be adult about it. Either deal with it or GTFO.

GIS for "Data Center Nightmare"

[bylbob]

Well the problem is in 6 months or so (or now for red) the server will be completly dead without two boxing, unless Velious goes live, but i seriously doubt that.
Because there will be next to zero grouping at lower lvl (and it is allready starting) so no influx of new players unless they play solo class.

[fishingme]

You should leave opinions out of any argument you intend to be taken seriously. Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion. Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion. However, that being said, you are still right. There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing.

In the end, the staff of any given server, be it Sony, Rogean, Cavedude etc, has the final say in what they want on their server and boxing is included in that. Since you shouldn't expect them to make a second server, one for boxing and one without it, just to satiate your needs (It'd be pointless anyway, most of the players would play the boxing enabled server just for convenience-sake whether they box themselves or not.) you're left to make the decision of what you want more. Classic EQ? Or the ability to box 2+ characters? People should thoroughly think that over before starting to play on P99, because the server's rules aren't going to change just for you.

I don't understand why you put in what I put in bold right there. This is a 2-boxing thread on a classic server. What I had said is clearly not an opinion it's a fact or people wouldn't 2-box here at all.

[casdegere]

2 boxing is not the answer.

People will be 4 boxing and have camps locked down single-handedly. Some people have no life and have many accounts waiting for boxing to be allowed. People will group with themselves and will not be grouping with you. Not allowing 2 boxing is genius. This slow down is due to several newer games being released and summer, nothing more. These new games will get boring and people will be back. The naysayers are people who do not like people who succeed like Rogean or people who banned their friends. These same people are obviously used to getting what they want and not getting it makes them cry so they darken the forums with their QQing angst that is getting really old and predictable.

It's the people that make the server not the pixels. These guys have systematically taken out the bad elements in favor of classic EQ. I come here for the classic experience. In 1999 ther was not alot of 2 boxing going on. Graphic intensive online gaming was fairly new, modems and bandwidth were not as they are today, either was paying a monthly fee. It was all ground-breaking for the most part. Most 2 boxing did not occur until people with high level characters began to move on and RMT for plat had been realized. I myself left and came back to live several times.

Get over yourselves and either choose to play the game or not.

[Morgander]

Dekrastius, I appreciate your argument. Let me give you a differing view. My first character on live was a warrior. It can be quite frustrating to be LFG as an untwinked, poorly geared warrior. One of the core ways to start a group was to find a cleric who was LFG.

While I understand your personal dilemma, I must also stress the fact that you had the option at your disposal, on equal terms with all players, to choose a class that was less group dependent.

I remember finding a warrior cleric duo who were xping. I asked them if I could join. The cleric didn't say anything, and the warrior said he was fine, thanks. I realized that this was a single individual who was boxing.

By boxing, this person effectively removed himself from the pool of available group mates. If he had been a cleric unable to box, then that would have been someone I could have grouped with.

Again, and I don't disagree with your logic here, but the fact remains that this isn't anything different from a necromancer who's soloing. You could ask him if he wants a group, but he might just say, "I'm fine, thanks" and you're still left alone while he kills things for himself. It's still one player doing content he can do, that you cannot, via the means provided to him through his class.

On live, this problem was somewhat mitigated by the fact that it was expensive to box. You had to pay 2x the subscription fee, so not everyone did it. But on an emu, accounts are free. I checked in some of the other emu servers, and I could *never* find a group. Why? Because everyone was boxing! Boxing completely destroys the grouping aspect of EQ when it is done on a large scale.

I knew people who two-boxed on live, and it wasn't really all that expensive. The games came rather cheap early on as expansions came out, and building a second, lower end computer that could run EQ was rather inexpensive all things considered. But I do agree with you for the most part on this.

So I would make the argument that it's especially important to keep boxing banned. And this is honestly the only reason I started playing on this server in the first place. I never would have made a character on a server where boxing was allowed, because I'm interested in playing EQ *with* other people, not being surrounded by boxers.

This I just have to disagree with. So long as one single person isn't trying to be a selfish jerk by taking huge amounts of content away from groups of players, I in all honesty see very few reasonable arguments that can be made about boxing. If one player is running four characters and thus is able to single handedly camp half of Sol B by him or herself, then fine I agree. But if that one player is doing a single camp and he doesn't want you to join, that's his choice. My enchanter here was able to solo half the named in Sol B solo using charm at level 50, but I left the entire zone once a full group came in asking about camps. I did this because in my own moral code, I believed that allowing content to be utilized by 6 people was more important than hogging it all for my singular self. I put myself in their shoes and that made the answer easy for me. Telling players that they cannot play more than one character would be akin in some ways as telling specific classes that if they solo, they're gonna get banned because they're taking too much content from others who could be experiencing it as a group. I could solo any named in Lower Guk as an enchanter, and I was at liberty to do so, so I wouldn't take well to the idea of being demanded that I give it up just because another player's class cannot solo it like I can.

I'd give up content because it's the right thing to do. I'd also let others join me because it's fun, I'm social, and it's the right thing to do. Forcing people to choose how to play the game, especially when the game was coded to allow multiple classes to be played by a single person (it's within the confides of the code, the code doesn't prevent it, albeit how simple the code was for a game back then), isn't appropriate in my personal opinion.

[Hollywood]

Boxing has a stigma around it that's unnecessary - and sadly they've let it dictate the IP exemption rulings.

This is unfortunate as most multiple connections would be for only two users, not three, four or a whole apartment building.

It would also free up the back log of IP exemptions they keep saying are holding them back from responding to people's requests.

In response to some of the comments already:

People starting late on P99 face the already daunting task of playing EverQuest again, while also trying to find groups. We all know how that goes.

Now imagine if you meet someone dual boxing - he's a decent person, reliable connection and plays consistently. He offers to let you join him. You're now halfway to a full group. Your halfway to a full group. Of course, that one extra character he's boxing is admittedly only one character. You could probably shout for someone to join you. However that character may just happen to have a class you REALLY need, like a healer or an enchanter.


Boxing's pitfalls are far exaggerated and here's somethings to consider:

A) Boxing is a problem when server populations are high - obviously because it erodes the resources for experience i.e. you take mobs, split camps and can be in people's way.
B) The amount of solo capable classes on P99 (or old EverQuest in general), means that boxing isn't giving single persons any huge advantage and it's further more not affecting the economy because people have more power to do things they would normally require others for... again due to the fact that they can just play a over powered caster class.


I strongly feel that the disagreement over this and the limits in place are more a result of the negative connotation surrounding boxing, rather than actual facts or instances where boxing used to occur and it was so horrendous that action needed to be taken.

I have a belief that if we allowed two users per IP, we'd see more player population not just character population as brothers, sisters, visiting friends, and student roomates would be able to share in the joy of old EQ thanks to project 1999.

[Pierth]

If boxing is something you want to do, there are several other servers for that- go to them.

[Honest]

If boxing is something you want to do, there are several other servers for that- go to them.

I think it pretty much boils down to this. Easy fix for those who want to box.

[Kevlar]

I think it pretty much boils down to this. Easy fix for those who want to box.

Yup. Excellent advice indeed. Me and the other 600-800 peak players missing seem to have taken it.

[Sethius]

Yup. Excellent advice indeed. Me and the other 600-800 peak players missing seem to have taken it.

You might be being a little (or a lot) presumptuous with this statement. I am one of the 600-800 people missing (or I was), and it is not because I wanted to box. My opinion on boxing is it ruins most of the real fun of EQ (group based open dungeons) and turns it into a solo grind akin to the plethora of modern mmo's out there, including many free ones.

I think a lot of people are not playing now because Kunark has been out quite awhile and the population has settled, for various reasons. The population always jumps back up when things get interesting again for the hardcore people who do everything faster than the casuals.

Besides all that, even with the population at 300-400 in the evening, I have had no issues getting groups lately since I returned. Some areas are more populated than others, and the populated areas change from night to night it seems, but most nights I end up grouped and having fun.

Boxing would likely make even less people want to group, so someone like me that plays EQ for the actual grouping would have less chance of finding a group, and I don't like that option personally.

[Ravager]

I haven't been logging on lately, because of work and summer (I'd rather be grilling with friends and fishing when it's nice out than playing EQ), but when I do log on to any one of my many alts, I'm not standing around very long before I get invited to a group. Half the time I don't even have LFG up. I owe this to there being no boxing allowed on this server. If people are allowed to box, what would they need me for? And I know if boxing were allowed, I could do it myself, but what's the point of playing an MMO if you're only going to play with yourself?

[Hagglebaron]

Yup. Excellent advice indeed. Me and the other 600-800 peak players missing seem to have taken it.

You truly are a moron. Stay gone

[Danyelle]

I think it pretty much boils down to this. Easy fix for those who want to box.


There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing, since there is no modern EQ server that also prohibits boxing.

This is still true. When the time comes that there is a Classic server that permits boxing, your argument will hold water. Until then this is basically what you're saying:

Guy 1: Wish I could have some chocolate.
You: Here have a Twizzlers. It's a strawberry candy and not chocolate, but it has sugar. i'm going to assume that's the only reason you want chocolate is the sugar and not the distinct flavor of chocolate.

Guy 1: Wish I could box on P99.
You: Here, go over to PEQ. It's modern EQ and not Classic, but it allows boxing. I'm going to assume that is the only reason you're on P99 is to box and not the distinct feeling of Classic Everquest.

That being said though, it's been made very apparent a million times over that the devs here will not even consider permitting boxing in the slightest. Therefore people should just drop it, follow the rules or leave.

[Austrianna]

If boxing is something you want to do, there are several other servers for that- go to them.

If only there was one that went up to Luclin and stopped there. Then I'd be sold.

[rugerx]

If only there was one that went up to Luclin and stopped there. Then I'd be sold.

Eqmac is close.

Up to POP then frozen in time, and 2 boxing is AOK.
I have seen more than a few P99'ers there.

As for two boxing not being classic, once Kunark was out 6 months, it was not unusual.

[Sethius]

Eqmac is close.

Up to POP then frozen in time, and 2 boxing is AOK.
I have seen more than a few P99'ers there.

As for two boxing not being classic, once Kunark was out 6 months, it was not unusual.

Two boxing is classic, I recall my good friend multi-boxing as early as Velious (and I have no doubt it happened before). I myself could not two box due to my computer being barely good enough at the time to run EQ and not having a separate pc for the second box.

I think the part that is not classic is that multiple accounts on this server are free and everyone now days has the hardware available to multi-box without issue. "Back in the day" you had to pay for multiple accounts and also have a very potent pc (that most people probably did not have) or multiple pc's in order to multi-box, so it was not as practical or simple for most people to multi-box.

That being said, grouping is classic too (I would guess from experience that single-boxing and grouping was the more common play-style during the time period of classic eq). With boxing, grouping tends to be decreased as people can just avoid the lfg process and just play solo. With a server population the size of P99, it is possible (if not probable) that grouping would be reduced to unacceptable levels were players allowed to box, particularly given that anyone can have multiple accounts for free and every pc now days can run many copies of EQ at the same time.

tl;dr: I agree with you ;)

[Austrianna]

Eqmac is close.

Up to POP then frozen in time, and 2 boxing is AOK.
I have seen more than a few P99'ers there.

As for two boxing not being classic, once Kunark was out 6 months, it was not unusual.


I never looked into this because I don't have a mac. I really disliked planes of power, it just seemed to make things way too easy. I enjoyed luclin (aside from the inane key quests) even though it seems to get a lot of hate on these forums. I loved the bazaar and the spires.

[Slave]

I loved the bazaar and the spires.

I doubt there is anyone on the entire server that wouldn't donate 5 bucks to have a functioning bazaar in the EC tunnel.

[Bohab]

I doubt there is anyone on the entire server that wouldn't donate 5 bucks to have a functioning bazaar in the EC tunnel.

I'd donate 10 to not have a bazaar. Uhh well looks like I gotta donate!

[Slave]

I'd donate 10 to not have a bazaar. Uhh well looks like I gotta donate!

Because EconomyQuest is such an awesome game?

[Danyelle]

Because EconomyQuest is such an awesome game?

Because every single thing Classic did was amazing and my memories tell me it created an amazing feeling of immersion and that absolutely nothing put in Luclin+ in anyway was a necessary change or improved gameplay at all but in fact broke EQ and my opinion is law.





































I shouldn't have to warn that I'm being sarcastic.

[Kevlar]

I doubt there is anyone on the entire server that wouldn't donate 5 bucks to have a functioning bazaar in the EC tunnel.

The bazaar was one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in an online game. Games out well before EQ had offline trading, and pretty much every game since. No one wants to tie up a computer all day and night just to sell stuff in a video game. Sony had no intention of making things easier/better for the players and did it solely as a way to artificially inflate their active player numbers.

[Vladesch]

I've been playing on and off for several years now on this server, and the drop off in numbers recently is quite apparent.
I've got 3 character, 2 of which can solo fine and they are the ones I end up playing.

Last few times I've been on the population was under 200 most of the time. I was just on recently... Saturday night latish and there were about 250. (Memory tells me there were regularly over 2000 back in 2001 on live)

The zones which I levelled up in classic has about 3 people each. Perhaps 1-2 of a suitable level, and mostly druids and necros.

So my non-solo character is an enchanter. I honestly think I'd have a better chance of getting a group if there were some people boxing. Cos right now I don't get groups. Period.

I had LFG on today (most busy time I've seen in the last week) for at least 4 hours and didn't get any tells. Zero. I am rather skeptical of these people who say they get groups very fast and don't even need to put LFG on. It certainly is the opposite of my experience.

Perhaps instead of saying we need boxing now, I might pose a question...
"How low does the peak server population have to go before people will consider a change".
What if we got 100 on a Saturday night? 50? 25? Or do we just let the server die rather than "cave in".

I don't want that because I have 3 characters I've spent a lot of time on, but I'm scared that is where things are heading.

[happyhappy]

Because every single thing Classic did was amazing and my memories tell me it created an amazing feeling of immersion and that absolutely nothing put in Luclin+ in anyway was a necessary change or improved gameplay at all but in fact broke EQ and my opinion is law.

Glad we can agree on something!

[Slave]

Not having a bazaar is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in an online game. Games out well before EQ had offline trading, and pretty much every game since. No one wants to sit in EC all day just to sell stuff in a video game.

I totally agree. I'm looking forward to bazaar functionality after Velious as one of the few custom content additions to P99.

[Moneysacks]

i can tell ya bazaar is one of the things that ruined player interaction and im very very against it . If u dont like to sit in EC and sell there is a few people that sell stuff for people . USE THEM its legit

[hdawg06]

The two boxing rule needs to be reevaluated. So few people play anymore that if you are not in a big/good guild that often times has groups going at all levels you really cannot do hardly anything. I feel like starting a melee character that isn't an uber twink is completely worthless because I don't know enough people that can help him get past 20 very easily. Yes, I could go and sit in a zone for 3-4 hours, but most of the time those zones barely have enough to make even 1 group, let alone many. Plus, Kunark is mainly dead in the low end. Nobody is ever in LOIO or FM, so until you get to about 30 and can go to OT you are screwed.

There are a lot of things that would actually make this server better that weren't "classic." Last time I checked, we have been off the classic patch rotation for nearly a year.

Not everybody has 60 days play time to devote to a character...

[Wildir]

I am in a fairly active guild and recently decided to come back and try to play, and at 54 it is hard to find a group. I have found one group and it was because someone in a guild group was leaving about the time I got on.

Boxing was part of the classic experience, I boxed a friends character after he quit through kunark and beyond.

I would 2 box so I could log on and be productive, and I usually added other players if I was going to be on for a while. This needs to be looked into, maybe only allow 2 logins per IP?

Thanks,
Wildcat

[Hollywood]

I've been playing on and off for several years now on this server, and the drop off in numbers recently is quite apparent.
I've got 3 character, 2 of which can solo fine and they are the ones I end up playing.

Last few times I've been on the population was under 200 most of the time. I was just on recently... Saturday night latish and there were about 250. (Memory tells me there were regularly over 2000 back in 2001 on live)

The zones which I levelled up in classic has about 3 people each. Perhaps 1-2 of a suitable level, and mostly druids and necros.

So my non-solo character is an enchanter. I honestly think I'd have a better chance of getting a group if there were some people boxing. Cos right now I don't get groups. Period.

I had LFG on today (most busy time I've seen in the last week) for at least 4 hours and didn't get any tells. Zero. I am rather skeptical of these people who say they get groups very fast and don't even need to put LFG on. It certainly is the opposite of my experience.

Perhaps instead of saying we need boxing now, I might pose a question...
"How low does the peak server population have to go before people will consider a change".
What if we got 100 on a Saturday night? 50? 25? Or do we just let the server die rather than "cave in".

I don't want that because I have 3 characters I've spent a lot of time on, but I'm scared that is where things are heading.



The two boxing rule needs to be reevaluated. So few people play anymore that if you are not in a big/good guild that often times has groups going at all levels you really cannot do hardly anything. I feel like starting a melee character that isn't an uber twink is completely worthless because I don't know enough people that can help him get past 20 very easily. Yes, I could go and sit in a zone for 3-4 hours, but most of the time those zones barely have enough to make even 1 group, let alone many. Plus, Kunark is mainly dead in the low end. Nobody is ever in LOIO or FM, so until you get to about 30 and can go to OT you are screwed.

There are a lot of things that would actually make this server better that weren't "classic." Last time I checked, we have been off the classic patch rotation for nearly a year.

Not everybody has 60 days play time to devote to a character...

I am in a fairly active guild and recently decided to come back and try to play, and at 54 it is hard to find a group. I have found one group and it was because someone in a guild group was leaving about the time I got on.

Boxing was part of the classic experience, I boxed a friends character after he quit through kunark and beyond.

I would 2 box so I could log on and be productive, and I usually added other players if I was going to be on for a while. This needs to be looked into, maybe only allow 2 logins per IP?

Thanks,
Wildcat


Several more good and honest examples of why two boxing would be more of a boon than a hinderance.

I didn't mention last time when I gave some reasons..I missed out on corpse run.
You grinded through the pain and suffering of making a high 50s or 60 cleric and you can't even jump on real quick to go ressurect yourself.

And also consider the communial potential of it. If I die, I'll log in and res myself and while I'm on I'll get some tells from others needing help. I have two options, I can kindly say 'no I'm busy' or I can take some additional time out after done with my corpse run/revive to help these people if albeit only for a short while. This not only benefits others but it's no real big hassle to me because thanks to being able to manage my own corpse situation, I can spare the time to support others in the game. Some of them will remember that and pay it forward.

So many people afk and idle anyways, what would be the harm in letting us idle secondary characters so people know we're around and can aid them if possible? It's not like there's a running tally of whom has what character/class and what times we play.

This server is becoming more like a few large guilds rather than one decent sized community and it's precisely because those who can get things done go off and do it, and those who can't end up leaving...and rightfully so.


The majority of people whom want to engage in dual boxing are not interested with the mindset to exploit or gain unfair advantage, they just simply want to be able to enjoy the game a bit without all the frustration.

Face it, the majority of us played EverQuest when we were teenagers. We're adults now with full time jobs, families, neighbors, community and endless responsibilities.
The joy in EverQuest is that it was fresh, exciting, different and difficult. Playing again on the emulator let's us reexperience a lot of that, but it also let's us suffer the pains of EverQuest that weren't clever design mechanics but rather over sights and faults of the developers.

We don't have the the time to deal with a lot of the nonsense that happens in the game..there needs to be some counter acting force to balance the needs of the community..some way to adapt the game. And the User Interface, modified code, scripts etc. to me are examples of where the Project 1999 team were trying to make it better.

If 'better but still classic' is the motto, then dual boxing does not hinder that mission.

[maahes]

Yeah if they never allow dual boxing at least, they eventually will lose their population completely.

[SamwiseBanned]

why is op banned lol

[Flash]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

[Liukang]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

the thing about PEQ is that u can use programs to box here u cant use them programs there for noone in their right mind would box that many and it should be 2 TWO TOO TO box only no more than 2 i think wouldnt hurt a damn thing

[Kevlar]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

So because some few people take it to extremes it is a bad thing? There is ONE guy I have seen who six boxes on Al'Kabor, and he is probably the friendliest guy on the server. Always keeps a bazaar mule stocked with pet items for like 5pp, and gives out free MGB buffs 3 or 4 times a day.

Besides, with the server IP exemptions they could easily allow strictly two-boxing without the one man raids. Each account gets an ip exemption, use it if you like. It still wouldn't allow you to three box.

[Flash]

So because some few people take it to extremes it is a bad thing? There is ONE guy I have seen who six boxes on Al'Kabor, and he is probably the friendliest guy on the server. Always keeps a bazaar mule stocked with pet items for like 5pp, and gives out free MGB buffs 3 or 4 times a day.

Besides, with the server IP exemptions they could easily allow strictly two-boxing without the one man raids. Each account gets an ip exemption, use it if you like. It still wouldn't allow you to three box.

Because some people opt to box their own toons instead of grouping with other people who don't, it actually hampers the group seeking aspect of the game, and it that case, yes, it would be a bad thing.

If P99 allowed two-boxing, I guarantee you'd see camps that would normally have a full group occupied by one guy boxing two-toons, probably a Monk/Shaman. Leveling and grouping would be HARDER for most people, not easier.

[Wildir]

The problem is lack of pick up groups, if the groups were available then I can see no boxing. I can go to Sebelis and sit there for over an hour without ever getting a group. On live, there were 5 to 7 groups in there normally all night long. Same can be said for any of the classic exp zones, there just is not open groups to join up with. They normally save openings for guild members or friends only. Wait till Velious comes out and everyone is spread out even further.

It would be interesting to see how the server would vote on it at this point in time.

[Kevlar]

Because some people opt to box their own toons instead of grouping with other people who don't, it actually hampers the group seeking aspect of the game, and it that case, yes, it would be a bad thing.

If P99 allowed two-boxing, I guarantee you'd see camps that would normally have a full group occupied by one guy boxing two-toons, probably a Monk/Shaman. Leveling and grouping would be HARDER for most people, not easier.

I totally disagree. Say you have two guys who log on within an hour of each other. Neither can box. Both stay logged on for about 15 minutes trying to find a group. Give up and log out to play something else.

Now same two guys are both able to two box. First guy logs in, can't find a group, just sits at an easy camp pulling xp mobs.

Other guy logs in a half hour later, sees someone two boxing. Asks if he wants to join up to take out some harder named mobs...

[Liukang]

sounds like EQ classic to me

[Sethius]

Other guy logs in a half hour later, sees someone two boxing. Asks if he wants to join up to take out some harder named mobs...

Idealism does not always translate to reality, and I suspect that the reality is that two-boxing would be used for power leveling more than anything. Either way it cannot be proven, and I don't think I want to find out how it would/could be abused by this server...

Regardless, it is Sunday evening right now and there is currently 424 people online, so I think unless we start seeing peak evening population drop down to below 100 people we should not even consider boxing. The true grouping classic experience is what draws a lot of the crowd here, and even if groups can be hard to find sometimes, they still happen fairly regularly. The boxing rule being lifted could possibly drive more people away.

Also, I recall on live sitting in dreadlands calling out in general lfg for hours on end back in the kunark era. Remove the rosy glasses of remembrance and realize that finding a group wasn't easy even in those days (especially without a guild). It took work and patience.

Not many people on this server seem to be willing to shout out that they are lfg like we all did back on live, and if they do here, they give up after like 2 shouts. The reality is that you have to wait in a game like this, as people come and go and the group situations change. This isn't wow, and there is no lfg finder. I played SWTOR for most of this year, and people complained about never being able to find a group (no lfg finder there either), despite there being almost 300 people on the fleet on my server in the evening. I kid you not: I never heard one person shout lfg and when I checked the lfg flags, you'd rarely see more than 1 or 2 people using it out of the 300.

[Danyelle]

Boxing has nothing to do with Modern or Classic. People could, and did, box during Classic. It was only rarer because most people's PCs back then couldn't handle more than one EQ client. And the client sucked ass during that time in regards to tabbing and how it handled with the rig. Not to mention the ever present fact that people would have to pay for each account/character. They don't have to do that now either.

Just because it is more prevalent now than it was back then doesn't mean it is limited to the modern era. Thus the "It's Classic" argument is void. In fact it's more true to say IP limits are NOT Classic as Verant/Sony never had those in place.


Just saying.

[pharmakos]

boxing ruined the Progression servers on EQLive imo

on a good night on Vulak there'd be less than 200 accounts in general chat. i personally knew several six-boxers.

early in the morning on a bad day there would less than 100 accounts in general chat.

i for one get really frustrated when i can't form a group with my warrior, but in the long run i am glad that this server only allows single boxing.

430 individuals playing on p99 blue right now btw.

[Danyelle]

I never said that I was for or against i, though. I simply was stating that using the "ban boxing because boxing being banned is Classic" argument is stupid because it is, in fact, not Classic. I never stated I was pro or anti-boxing though.

In fact I'm in the middle ground. Letting free boxing is indeed bad, but cutting it out completely can be just as harmful. Especially in this situation.

Let's put it this way. On one hand, if you permit free boxing, you have people rolling up however many toons their computers can handle. For some they may barely be able to handle one account as it is, others may be able to load up around 30 at once. I personally can load 12 if I manage it right. There would be some differences. For example, without MQ2 availability, boxing all those toons would be hard as hell if not impossible. Although, arguably, by being able to load them all in it may encourage them to try to use MQ2 regardless of rules being set against it or not. Also Titanium handles like shit with modern PCs. While Underfoot or Live clients etc can load up that many, Titanium may cause issues with it. Cutting that number in half. Either way you look at it, once someone gets 6 toons in he/she never groups again. This breaks the "multiplayer" aspect of Everquest and destroys the game's foundation.

On the other hand. We have people backed up for like 4 freaking months waiting on IP exemptions just so they can play with their children, spouses, or friends/room mates. I don't care if it's a free server or not, that's unacceptable. Especially considering many people have donated, in many instances, several times. At that point, for them, it's no longer a "free server". Whether it was by their own will or not, you owe those people good service. 4 or so month backups on IP exemptions is not good service. No corporation would be able to get away with something like that, why should this be any different? I obviously realize that you have a lot of other things on hand to deal with. But if you can't keep up with that kind of thing you have 3 options. "Hire" more staff, enable limited boxing, or remove IP exemptions altogether. It doesn't seem the devs wanna go with option 1, and option 3 would piss people off lowering the pop even more than it already is. That leaves you with option 2. I can promise you this delay in response time is a large contributing factor to low and declining server pop (in addition to things like response time to petitions, time between content release, and massive petty trolling feuds between top end guilds and players that never get resolved).

The best course of action, in my opinion, is to enable 2-3 toon maximum accounts up at any given time per IP, and then do away with IP exemptions entirely (and revoke IP exemptions already handed out). This will permit people to come in with family and friends under the same roof and get right to playing, as opposed to waiting an eternity. It will still leave room for grouping. It also covers things like "I don't ever have enough time to sell in EC because when I'm not doing real life things, I'm out xp grinding or raiding" or "I play at night/am in a different time zone when few people are on and can rarely find a group" or "I just had some asshole steal my stuff while trying to do an item transfer..." either because "....he was a thief and /ex'd" or "...because he found the stuff I dropped and picked it up" etc etc.

Besides, if there are indeed that many people strongly against it, I doubt those people would box even if it was permitted (if you do, that's kinda hypocritical don't you think), which means that the only people boxing would be those few NOT against it. People using the raised IP limit to play with family or friends under the same roof aren't really boxing and don't count. So I fail to see how that small number would cause any harm, unless you all would give in to the tempting evil vice that is "boxing" the minute the IP limit got raised, despite your firm stance against it.

[pharmakos]

if boxing was permitted i would start to box

i prefer it not be permitted though

[Slave]

i can tell ya bazaar is one of the things that ruined player interaction and im very very against it . If u dont like to sit in EC and sell there is a few people that sell stuff for people . USE THEM its legit

[Politely as possible]

Typical EC conversation:

"How much for HBC?"
"2000"
Silence.

It doesn't foster a whole lot of player interaction as opposed to things like grouping and killing monsters, which you can't do when you're sitting in EC spamming your sale list because there's no bazaar. You sure as hell can't get every item in the game you need on your own in any kind of reasonable time period.

If I didn't HAVE to sit in EC all day buying and selling things once in a while I'd have a LOT more time to group and make more friends.

[maahes]

It is an argument that has its pros and cons. I personally know a dozen people that would still be here if they allowed boxing. Basically a server is going to come along that allows boxing but also claims to respect the "classic" feel everyone wants and will slowly claim population. In the mean time more people who nerd rage over boxers will join this server. Only time will tell.

[Honest]

[Politely as possible]

Typical EC conversation:

"How much for HBC?"
"2000"
Silence.

It doesn't foster a whole lot of player interaction as opposed to things like grouping and killing monsters, which you can't do when you're sitting in EC spamming your sale list because there's no bazaar. You sure as hell can't get every item in the game you need on your own in any kind of reasonable time period.

If I didn't HAVE to sit in EC all day buying and selling things once in a while I'd have a LOT more time to group and make more friends.

I like EC (obviously my own opinion). I Like being able to haggle. Having a trading area for goods that exchange hands from player to player is part of the immersion. There have been times where i've grouped for xp and have done so in full groups in near silence. If you don't want to sit in EC, post your wares on the forums. I have a friend who does that pretty regularly. Seems to workout for him.

[pharmakos]

what if they allowed boxing but only on red =p

i of course understand why red players might not want this. it would do a lot to bring up red's population tho =p

[Kevlar]

what if they allowed boxing but only on red =p

i of course understand why red players might not want this. it would do a lot to bring up red's population tho =p

I'd think it would be welcomed. Being a solo melee on a red server is even worse than it is on blue.

[Harazzer]

Boxing in a pvp situation is very self correcting. TzVz allowed 2 boxing (2 chars per ip vs 1) yes you could "solo" aka duo a lot of stuff, and 3 people 2 boxing could form an incredible group to do a lot (like planar runs). The only issue is that the server has around 400 or so at peak times, if people could 2 box i think the population would rise somewhat plus there would be all the boxed characters in game it may push the server pop near 4 digits again. With the vast majority of the characters being in the 51-60 area at this point the server probably could not support it. TZVZ never really got near the population levels of p99. However I believe red99 would be an excellent candidate for this since its population has dwindled to pathetic levels.

[Slave]

I like EC (obviously my own opinion). I Like being able to haggle. Having a trading area for goods that exchange hands from player to player is part of the immersion. There have been times where i've grouped for xp and have done so in full groups in near silence. If you don't want to sit in EC, post your wares on the forums. I have a friend who does that pretty regularly. Seems to workout for him.

It's great that you like to play EconomyQuest but the waning server population is going to preclude GroupQuest soon, and part of the reason for that is that there are 60 players in EC at nearly all times who would probably be playing EQ instead of EconQ if they were allowed to buy and sell their goods in a reasonable way instead of having to do it for hours and hours in a dimly lit tunnel using the shift button in a volume that nature never intended.

Have no fear, there will still be plenty of people like you, and you can continue wearing out your shift + up, and the alphabetical keys that make up the word 'offer', 'ty', and 'np', but most of us have learned the value of a semi-automated bazaar system over the last 13 years of the internet.

[Honest]

there are 60 players in EC at nearly all times who would probably be playing EQ instead of EconQ if they were allowed to buy and sell their goods in a reasonable way instead of having to do it for hours and hours in a dimly lit tunnel using the shift button in a volume that nature never intended

There are many, myself included, who sit in EC when they don't have attention enough to play in a group. I usually sit in EC while at work, watching a movie, doing shit around the house.

Regardless of your opinion or mine the point of the matter is I don't think it's changing.

[Ravager]

If you're spending more than 15 minutes at a time in EC trying to sell or buy stuff you're doing it wrong, or EC is how you like to play the game anyway. It takes time for new players and new items to rotate into EC throughout the day or even week. There's a good chance that if you don't sell what you want to sell in the first 15 minutes or find what you want to buy in the first 15 minutes, you probably won't in the next 2 hours either. It's way more fun to move on and find a group at that point and just pop into EC from time to time to try and unload some stuff while you're passing through.

[Vladesch]

If P99 allowed two-boxing, I guarantee you'd see camps that would normally have a full group

My enchanter would love to know where these supposed full groups are.

In any case, the way things are looking, this server is probably going the ways various other servers (WOW, lineage) have gone in the past.
I'd even play on live since that is probably not going to close down, but it's just a completely different game, and free to play isn't really an option despite sony's claims.

I really liked the classic experience. I had an absolute ball with my enchanter on live, and seldom had any problem getting a group. The only hard time was when POP first came out and I stuck around in the old world, which was of course deserted. As soon as I got POP of course groups got me without having to do anything.

In spite of good intentions, this server with its dwindling population is nothing at all like classic. I have a necro and druid as well, but it seems that all the time I have to play them. I should have mentioned I'm on .au time, and most of the time I'm about the players are in the low 100's. I haven't actually seen it dip blow 100 yet, but its been down to about 105. Really sad since I just got some jboots for my enchanter, so I can get around now, but there's nowhere to go.

Not sure that boxing will solve any problems, but at least it would give some of us a change from the eternal soloing with druid/necro. I'd be quite happy just playing my enchanter with a boxed cleric/warrior, and I'm sure such a combo would be very likely to have me in the party. Enchanter isn;t really a class you can 2 box if you are in a busy place and have to do a lot of CC (ie karnors). Unless you have godlike abilities.

Think I will shelve soloing my druid and necro for a while. Lost too many characters already from private servers dying, and frankly the writing is on the wall.

[happyhappy]

The e-sky isn't falling, no empire is crumbling, the dodo will live on, I'd be more concerned in you people if population did NOT take a dump after 14 months of Kunark, the release of Diablo 3, summer.

Look out the window, that's not a huge LED in the sky; go spend some time under it, won't hurt you as long as you keep it in moderation.

Come back when winter comes.

[falkun]

Come back when winter comes.

Winter?
http://patsplace.com/files/2012/02/winter.jpg

- or Winter?
http://aggronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kaelarch.jpg

[Slave]

Look out the window, that's not a huge LED in the sky; go spend some time under it, won't hurt you as long as you keep it in moderation.


That thing in the sky is a huge flaming ball of radioactive death. It'll kill you surely as cigarettes. Stay inside; it's a beautiful day to play video games.

[happyhappy]

Winter?
http://patsplace.com/files/2012/02/winter.jpg

- or Winter?
http://aggronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kaelarch.jpg

Open to interpretation.

[hdawg06]

In spite of good intentions, this server with its dwindling population is nothing at all like classic.


I totally agree. This server lacks a lot from live. The low population does not help matters at all. Although the patches may be following live progression, the atmosphere of the game has long since been lost and people are not as enthralled by the environment as they were in 1999. The server is great, but there are a lot of changes that need to be made in the next 2-3 months if this server even wants to have a chance at seeing velious be released. I honestly cannot see why they would even both releasing velious if the population dips below 250 or so at prime time, which could happen by the end of the year...

[formallydickman]

I honestly cannot see why they would even both[er] releasing velious if the population dips below 250 or so at prime time, which could happen by the end of the year...

I think Kunark came out March 2011 and before Kunark became a sure thing there was quite a dwindling population. Once the possibility of new content became a reality people came flocking back. Now a year and a few months later the same thing is happening. It's cyclical and the same thing happens to every MMO.

[pharmakos]

on a good night on Vulak (the lesser of the two EQLive progression/classic servers) there are 150 accounts logged into general chat, and Vulak allows boxing....

P99 is one of the most populated everquest servers online in 2012

i haven't had much of a problem finding groups here on my Warrior. he's level 15, just got done in a 5 person orc highway group in Oasis.

i even had some pickup groups in BlackBurrow

things aren't so bad here guys, i love p99 the way it is :)

[Lazortag]

My enchanter would love to know where these supposed full groups are.

...

Not sure that boxing will solve any problems, but at least it would give some of us a change from the eternal soloing with druid/necro. I'd be quite happy just playing my enchanter with a boxed cleric/warrior, and I'm sure such a combo would be very likely to have me in the party. Enchanter isn;t really a class you can 2 box if you are in a busy place and have to do a lot of CC (ie karnors). Unless you have godlike abilities.

Think I will shelve soloing my druid and necro for a while. Lost too many characters already from private servers dying, and frankly the writing is on the wall.

I know this doesn't really get to the heart of your point, but you know Enchanters are easily one of the best solo classes, right?

[Swish]

you know Enchanters are easily one of the best solo classes, right?

He's right.

[Galelor]

on a good night on Vulak (the lesser of the two EQLive progression/classic servers) there are 150 accounts logged into general chat, and Vulak allows boxing....

P99 is one of the most populated everquest servers online in 2012

i haven't had much of a problem finding groups here on my Warrior. he's level 15, just got done in a 5 person orc highway group in Oasis.

i even had some pickup groups in BlackBurrow

things aren't so bad here guys, i love p99 the way it is :)

Wait until your 30s and beyond...

[Vladesch]

I know this doesn't really get to the heart of your point, but you know Enchanters are easily one of the best solo classes, right?

Yeah, I should probably bite the bullet and learn how to solo with it.
It should be cake now that I have jboots.
I've been playing around a little with my animation, and I can solo ok, but it's obviously not the way to do it.

Meh, it's hardly recreating the experience from classic though.
As soon as I got breeze my enchanter was insta grouped for the rest of my life. Hence why I have little knowledge of soloing an enchanter.

I used to love grouping in places like Karnors, and holding down 6+ mobs while the group dispatched them. Now *that* is what I call playing an enchanter.

Guess that's probably not going to happen, boxing or not. Here or elsewhere.
I still think that this server could be made a lot more attractive is the dev's weren't so hell bent on trying to emulate every facet of classic, good or bad.
Annoying things, like (just an example) snare and root not stacking, no shared stash, targetting rings removed. I could go on and on. *Not everything about early classic was good.* Thank god we dont have to look at our spellbook to med. Small mercies.

Forcing everyone to solo (effectively) by stopping boxing is just another nail in the coffin. I'd sooner group, but soloing gets old fast when I can't. There would probably be more groups to join if people could box (rather than less as people keep predicting)

Not that boxing wasn't classic anyway. I used to box a druid and enchanter (fun combo) back in 2002, which we are pretty close to now.

[Saddam]

I am Saddam and I like to drop bombs. That being said, as a Mage I have literally soloed 1% of my time here on this server (2 weeks.) Whether it be 3am or 7pm, there has either been a group LFM or I have made a group. In all honesty, I have probably started half my groups sending tells to anyone my level to join. As a chanter, I know there will always be a group or duo parter LF you. Sometimes you have to do more than /lfg and sit in EC tunnel.

[formallydickman]

In all honesty, I have probably started half my groups sending tells to anyone my level to join. As a chanter, I know there will always be a group or duo parter LF you. Sometimes you have to do more than /lfg and sit in EC tunnel.

I agree. And a group doesn't have to be 4-6 people. A lot of classes duo and trio very well. Even when they don't you can still limp along with a small amount until more come. Random duo's on my rogue was almost exclusively the way I leveled him <45.

[Urbanzkopf]

Question. Was drop trading stuff earlier between two separate accounts, had to /exit and reload EQ real-quick to get there before they go poof (praying server doesn't break on me :P).
Say i'm logged in my main, I minimize my EQ window, load it up log in the other account all the way to the char select screen if I /exit my main then press play on the other account will I get banned for that?

Although this isn't two boxing I just want to be clear that It wont recognise 2 clients from same pc and get some kinda autoban.

[Urbanzkopf]

But what If one of the accounts has IP exemp? My bro and father play sometimes so we got those set up over a year ago now often drop trading things between the two when they arent available to help

[Austrianna]

I don't make the rules, but I think as long as you're not actively playing two characters, it should be ok?

I generally usually just text a friend that plays to log someone on if I need to do a transfer or get a res or a port or something. That way I don't get kicked in the ass in regards to two boxing. I have an ip exempt, I got it a year ago because my boyfriend was gonna check the game out with me as he had never played. He ended up not playing that much at all, but I'm too damn scared of the ban hammer to ever attempt porting or ressing myself with another char on the same ip ;p So I pester my friends ;)

[Urbanzkopf]

Well I figure I wont try either until I get a definite yes that is fine from a GM or something. No point QQing later when they never said that's allowed.

[Austrianna]

Well I figure I wont try either until I get a definite yes that is fine from a GM or something. No point QQing later when they never said that's allowed.

Which is probably smarter ;p I'm thinking if it's a drop transfer and you aren't actively transferring between two chars at the same time it's different. My best advice, because you may not get a response in the thread, is to send a tell when you see one of the GMs broadcast they're online if anyone needs anything. I've seen that a few times lately.

[Urbanzkopf]

hehe yea good idea I guess, thanks for the replies anyways. :)

[slickmasterizzy]

i was just about to ask if two-boxing was suddenly allowed
ive seen at least 3 people in the last few days two boxing.
guessing its still banable?

by the way, is it banable if i create a second account ONLY to trade items between my main account? no leveling or killing stuff, just trading items.

[Ele]

i was just about to ask if two-boxing was suddenly allowed
ive seen at least 3 people in the last few days two boxing.
guessing its still banable?



Have you reported those players? The GMs can't be everywhere at once.

by the way, is it banable if i create a second account ONLY to trade items between my main account? no leveling or killing stuff, just trading items.

Ye, it is considered boxing to have a trader/mule account and your main account up at the same time. You need to get a friend or guildie to help you transfer between accounts/characters.

[thryme]

I see. So its not ok to level up for example a druid to lvl 9 for sows and use them just for that? I've seen a lot of that so far I think.

seen a lot of lvl 9 druids casting sow?

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/ysgY0.jpg

I'm sure this account could have its IP exemption taken off?

[JustinWK]

http://i.imgur.com/ysgY0.jpg

I'm sure this account could have its IP exemption taken off?

People like you are the reason this server is suffering, and I will never return.

Why do you give such a shit? Lack control in your own life? Flaccid dick syndrome, so you need to start being a snitch every single chance?

I don't two box, never have, and never will. But this witch hunt mentality is fucking ridiculous.

[Swish]

People like you are the reason this server is suffering, and I will never return.

Why do you give such a shit? Lack control in your own life? Flaccid dick syndrome, so you need to start being a snitch every single chance?

I don't two box, never have, and never will. But this witch hunt mentality is fucking ridiculous.

Are you the seller? You're acting like the seller.

Advertising an IP exemption account knowing it might make a few k plat more is a disgrace on a server where boxing isn't allowed. Get out.



EDIT: 14 posts, and only 4 public. Sounds like you've been petitioning a lot or trying to get an update on an IP exemption. Magnum PI solves another case.

[Austrianna]

...

[Safon]

Death to two boxers

[JustinWK]

Are you the seller? You're acting like the seller.

Advertising an IP exemption account knowing it might make a few k plat more is a disgrace on a server where boxing isn't allowed. Get out.



EDIT: 14 posts, and only 4 public. Sounds like you've been petitioning a lot or trying to get an update on an IP exemption. Magnum PI solves another case.

Yeah, you must be onto something...

:rolleyes:

[Swish]

I will never return.

Welcome back :)

[Slave]

Um what happened to Bort? Wasn't he a GM? Now says Banned.

[Trowaa]

I just got ready to start playing and convinced my wife and cousin to play! Just waiting for my petition for the ip exception to be accepted and we will jump on!

[fishingme]

I just got ready to start playing and convinced my wife and cousin to play! Just waiting for my petition for the ip exception to be accepted and we will jump on!

right there with ya. Sucks not being able to play while a brother is playing.

[fishingme]

I'm curious, now that Amelinda has retired. Whose doing ip exemptions now?

[Zereh]

I'm curious, now that Amelinda has retired. Whose doing ip exemptions now?

Sirks.

(And Coldblooded.)

[fishingme]

Sirks.

(And Coldblooded.)

Cool, thanks for the info. I have one more question, when was the last round of IP exemptions givin out if anyone knows?

[Zereh]

Sometimes this thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78868) is bumped. Sometimes they make a new thread to announce that they're done. Sometimes they don't say anything and do them ninja style!

[fishingme]

All right, thanks for the information man I appreciate it! Looks like it hasnt been bumped since august so Maybe Ill get mine pretty soon =)

[Nneave]

I have been waiting since Tues for our Exemp. I am going bat shit crazy watching my husband play. We are taking turns ATM :(

They have a lot on their plate so I understand the delay, but it doesn't make the waiting any easier!!

[fishingme]

I have been waiting since Tues for our Exemp. I am going bat shit crazy watching my husband play. We are taking turns ATM :(

They have a lot on their plate so I understand the delay, but it doesn't make the waiting any easier!!

I hear ya, I was hoping i could get in a few hours today before my brother woke up. Turns out he woke up at the same time I did. Thankfully he let me play for a couple of hours today. Still can't wait to party up and hit unrest! lvl 12 cleric, everyone needs more healers =)

[Swish]

It was taking up to a month at one point, though not anymore apparently... hang in there :p

[Calabee]

in anticipation of the much awaited velious beta... brings back kunark beta, was two boxing allowed there? i know u could play a toon on the p99 server and beta, but could u play two on beta? i dont recall that.

[bizzum]

in anticipation of the much awaited velious beta... brings back kunark beta, was two boxing allowed there? i know u could play a toon on the p99 server and beta, but could u play two on beta? i dont recall that.

Exp bonus, boxing allowed, NPCs to give you spells and full buffs. I did a lot of 2 boxing with a buddy on the beta server and it was good times. They just did a direct copy of all characters, I think.

Looking forward to doing the same in Velious, and hopefully more people join and help make it good instead of whining about problems after they release the expansion. I think Kunark beta averaged like 10-20 people except for that one day that Rogean shut down the real server and made everybody play beta.

[fishingme]

It was taking up to a month at one point, though not anymore apparently... hang in there :p

From the thread that was linked earlier it seems that the last ip exemptions were in august on the 24th. Hopefully it's soon. I'm curious if the petitions forum has a categorizing system that puts normal petitions about whichever option you choose from the drop down tab into a certain section. for example, IP exemptions get routed into a specific spot where it's only a list of ip exemptions instead of them all being jumbled up together

[Rogean]

I'm curious if the petitions forum has a categorizing system that puts normal petitions about whichever option you choose from the drop down tab into a certain section. for example, IP exemptions get routed into a specific spot where it's only a list of ip exemptions instead of them all being jumbled up together

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[Yajirobe Yajipants]

lol, Rogean.

[Calabee]

rogean get ur bro to come play p99!

i'll revive Crimson Tempest for old times sake

[fishingme]

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Jameson has been overdone, more ace and I would have given you a coolpoint

[Swish]

From the thread that was linked earlier it seems that the last ip exemptions were in august on the 24th. Hopefully it's soon. I'm curious if the petitions forum has a categorizing system that puts normal petitions about whichever option you choose from the drop down tab into a certain section. for example, IP exemptions get routed into a specific spot where it's only a list of ip exemptions instead of them all being jumbled up together

There was a comment in another thread in the last few days that they aren't always done and posted here, but they are done. I don't think it was as long ago as August that the last batch were done. Surely not?