Real talk: Blue is a beta cess pool

[ya.dingus]

Bit of an inflamatory post, but it's true. That server is backwards from years of mechanic abuse, bad raid scene, RMT trading etc.

Merging green with blue not only presents technical problems, but community problems as well.

Blueberries (the minority) is screaming their heads off however, because they're worried about becoming a legacy server despite being able to play now.

Honestly, I say let blue become legacy. People can still continue playing blue if they want, and the green community is large and healthy enough to continue what it's doing.

Merging is a mistake. Takes in what my opinion is a clean server, and dirties it was the history of blue.

Thanks, but no thanks.

#inb4blueberriesstartgettingangry

[Zoolander]

yeah sure, lets open a 3rd server so we need even more hardware + split the community further.

fantastic idea, 5/5*

we do need a recycling trashcan to restart fresh, and blue fits perfectly.

new fresh server, the sooner the better.

[ya.dingus]

yeah sure, lets open a 3rd server so we need even more hardware + split the community further.

fantastic idea, 5/5*

You mean like how they did when they opened teal at the start of green?

Forcing people to rejoin beta because you're too bent out of shape to let your pixels go isn't for the good of the community. Especially since it's pretty obvious a large majority of people want classic everquest, not beta everquest.

[ya.dingus]

yeah sure, lets open a 3rd server so we need even more hardware + split the community further.

fantastic idea, 5/5*

we do need a recycling trashcan to restart fresh, and blue fits perfectly.

new fresh server, the sooner the better.

You're always free to join green like every other blue server. That way the server isn't split anymore.

Tell me again, why should the more popular of the two be forced to merge with blue?

Perhaps blue players should just start playing on green if population is their chief concern.

Oh wait, that's right, because it's not about pop and the game community or the vision of the project overall, it's about your pixels.

[PlsNoBan]

Bit of an inflamatory post, but it's true. That server is backwards from years of mechanic abuse, bad raid scene, RMT trading etc.

Merging green with blue not only presents technical problems, but community problems as well.

Blueberries (the minority) is screaming their heads off however, because they're worried about becoming a legacy server despite being able to play now.

Honestly, I say let blue become legacy. People can still continue playing blue if they want, and the green community is large and healthy enough to continue what it's doing.

Merging is a mistake. Takes in what my opinion is a clean server, and dirties it was the history of blue.

Thanks, but no thanks.

#inb4blueberriesstartgettingangry

Was the last post you made about this bad idea and everyone telling you it was a bad idea not good enough or?

Hint: it's not just blue players that think splitting a niche community 3-4 ways for the sake of ur pixels is stupid

[ya.dingus]

gotta love the 10 year wait on getting posts approved.

You two are in the minority when it comes to the topic of server merges.

Stop trying to project your protection of pixels and legacy characters by the deprecation of blue server.

It's going to happen.

Forcing a larger portion of the population onto a ruleset they're not interested in, to preserve the pixels/power status of the people on blue is not only selfish, it's short sighted.

Let's be real here, "MuH pOpUlAtIoN" explanation doesn't hold water; Especially with relaunches requiring a teal and green server.

The truth is ya'll want nothing more than to keep your characters relevant in the hopes that forcing green population onto blue will make the server popular again.

Those days are over son, it's a beta server.

Like I said, if you're so worried about population, why don't you stop playing on the beta blue server and join the servers that the project aims to be the future of p1999.

Not only that, you said it yourself, blue server is a throw away right? Guess you wont have any problems quitting your characters and joining green. Better yet, why not just delete everything you have on blue if you're so dedicated to merging the population?

[khandman]

You two are in the minority when it comes to the topic of server merges.


Prove it.

[Trexller]

[QUOTE=Hint: it's not just blue players that think splitting a niche community 3-4 ways for the sake of ur pixels is stupid[/QUOTE]

yeah nobody gives a shit if your fungi tunic devalues 15%

[PlsNoBan]

You two are in the minority when it comes to the topic of server merges.

There's not a fucking chance this is anywhere close to true. You're out of your mind for even attempting to claim this. The last thread you brought this dumb topic up in nearly every response made fun of you.


Stop trying to project your protection of pixels and legacy characters by the deprecation of blue server.

I've said many many times that I don't care AT ALL about any p99 pixels regardless of server. My ideal scenario is a full wipe of blue before the merge then continuing to merge green back to blue at the end of timeline each time.


Forcing a larger portion of the population onto a ruleset they're not interested in, to preserve the pixels/power status of the people on blue is not only selfish, it's short sighted.

LOL do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is "Noooo don't merge the servers cuz my green pixels". Holy crap dude.


Let's be real here, "MuH pOpUlAtIoN" explanation doesn't hold water; Especially with relaunches requiring a teal and green server.


There's always initial launch hype. Same thing happens with TLP's and really any MMO launch. It's always way overpopulated at the start and you always lose a good chunk of people in the first month or two. P99 averages somewhere around 1000-1400 people across all servers at peak times. It's been this way for as long as I can remember even pre-green. Now instead of a server with 1000+ at peak times resulting in a well populated world we have 2 servers with 500-750. That's still decent. Not as good but it's fine. You still walk through the world and find lots and lots of empty zones but at least the popular zones are good. You're advocating for splitting the population further so we have 3 (4 with red) servers for the same 1000-1400 ppl? You realize that's going to put each server at < 500 people? You really think this is a good thing? I promise you are the minority here.


Guess you wont have any problems quitting your characters and joining green.

Repeating for like the 6th time: I'm not actively playing blue or green currently. I'm not secretly fighting for my "legacy" blue pixels. I clearly and openly stated my wish for blue to be wiped. You are VERY CLEARLY fighting for your green pixels and nothing else. I'm ready and waiting to start on green 2.0 but at this point feel it's a bit too late to start fresh on green when (supposedly) green 2.0 is coming. This is my biggest frustration with p99 atm that we have no information on the plan for merge/new server or any kind of hint at the plan for that.

[eisley]

For us being so awful, you sure want to join us real bad.

[DallasNChains]

Um... the stagnant waters will rot, I suppose?

[Ripp]

Merge or not, I want a new server with the QoL mechanics back in that they removed. I don't understand why we can't have things like a working custom UI, spell sets, pet window etc. I understand the desire for classic but c'mon. Some things are just better.

[Old_PVP]

Merge Green into Red. Problem solved. Start fresh99.

[ya.dingus]

There's not a fucking chance this is anywhere close to true. You're out of your mind for even attempting to claim this. The last thread you brought this dumb topic up in nearly every response made fun of you.




I've said many many times that I don't care AT ALL about any p99 pixels regardless of server. My ideal scenario is a full wipe of blue before the merge then continuing to merge green back to blue at the end of timeline each time.




LOL do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is "Noooo don't merge the servers cuz my green pixels". Holy crap dude.




There's always initial launch hype. Same thing happens with TLP's and really any MMO launch. It's always way overpopulated at the start and you always lose a good chunk of people in the first month or two. P99 averages somewhere around 1000-1400 people across all servers at peak times. It's been this way for as long as I can remember even pre-green. Now instead of a server with 1000+ at peak times resulting in a well populated world we have 2 servers with 500-750. That's still decent. Not as good but it's fine. You still walk through the world and find lots and lots of empty zones but at least the popular zones are good. You're advocating for splitting the population further so we have 3 (4 with red) servers for the same 1000-1400 ppl? You realize that's going to put each server at < 500 people? You really think this is a good thing? I promise you are the minority here.




Repeating for like the 6th time: I'm not actively playing blue or green currently. I'm not secretly fighting for my "legacy" blue pixels. I clearly and openly stated my wish for blue to be wiped. You are VERY CLEARLY fighting for your green pixels and nothing else. I'm ready and waiting to start on green 2.0 but at this point feel it's a bit too late to start fresh on green when (supposedly) green 2.0 is coming. This is my biggest frustration with p99 atm that we have no information on the plan for merge/new server or any kind of hint at the plan for that.


Dude is tilted because I hit a nerve by saying everything that's true.

Here's "muh pixels" on green.

https://imgur.com/a/IwHfRJu

My highest level character on this account is level 9. It's a self found account. I just made myself full banded armor by saving up and killing tons of lizards and turning in the meat.

On blue I have a cleric with epic, fungi and all that nonsense.


There's not a fucking chance this is anywhere close to true. You're out of your mind for even attempting to claim this. The last thread you brought this dumb topic up in nearly every response made fun of you.

Except it is. Go on green, actually ask a random survey of people anywhere you want, and you'll see one of a few responses:
- I thought the merge was cancelled
- Blue is awful I hope they dont merge
- It would be too crowded
- I dont want broken mechanics on blue

You ARE in the minority. And you obviously are getting angry because thinly veiled excuses are nonsense for what you're trying to protect: "MuH Legacy".

I've said many many times that I don't care AT ALL about any p99 pixels regardless of server. My ideal scenario is a full wipe of blue before the merge then continuing to merge green back to blue at the end of timeline each time.

Post a video of you deleting all your characters then. If you don't care, why are you even posting about what happens either way? Absolute 3 head argument.


LOL do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is "Noooo don't merge the servers cuz my green pixels". Holy crap dude.

No, that's literally you at this point. You've been caught multiple times in this disingenuous claim. People joined green because it was a fresh start, with classic mechanics, a fresh raid scene, and the waters not muddy over years of different abuses (RMT, massive AOE pulls, changing rules, Partial GMs, etc).

We get it, you love your pixels, but they're not worth crapping on the community for, or forcing a large majority to play non-classic ruleset when they obviously want a classic ruleset.

Also, just to be clear, just because you dont value your time (that's a joke, you obviously do, which is why you're posting so fervently despite not 'caring' what happens to your characters), most people do value their characters. It's a huge time investment.


There's always initial launch hype. Same thing happens with TLP's and really any MMO launch. It's always way overpopulated at the start and you always lose a good chunk of people in the first month or two. P99 averages somewhere around 1000-1400 people across all servers at peak times. It's been this way for as long as I can remember even pre-green. Now instead of a server with 1000+ at peak times resulting in a well populated world we have 2 servers with 500-750. That's still decent. Not as good but it's fine. You still walk through the world and find lots and lots of empty zones but at least the popular zones are good. You're advocating for splitting the population further so we have 3 (4 with red) servers for the same 1000-1400 ppl? You realize that's going to put each server at < 500 people? You really think this is a good thing? I promise you are the minority here.

See above, One of the main issues people worry about is overcrowding already. Especially on launch hype.

Additionally, I'd bet donuts to dollars MORE people join on this next iteration, especially with a more concrete plan as to what happens to green characters after cycles if blue wasn't involved.

Most players on Green dont care about the population on Blue. You seem obsessed with it though. Telling.


I'm ready and waiting to start on green 2.0 but at this point feel it's a bit too late to start fresh on green when (supposedly) green 2.0 is coming.

Again, if you don't care about anything than starting new, why do you care at all about when and where the server dumps its current green characters?

If dumping green characters wasn't an issue of active population, why are you making population arguments?

It's because you're worried people will still want to play their green characters after the the next cycle, and instead of being stuck on a legacy server forever, you want that sweet sweet green population to join back with blue.

Your excuses are so thinly veiled behind your real motivation it's like looking through plastic wrap bruv.

[PlsNoBan]

Dude is tilted because I hit a nerve by saying everything that's true.

Here's "muh pixels" on green.

https://imgur.com/a/IwHfRJu

My highest level character on this account is level 9. It's a self found account. I just made myself full banded armor by saving up and killing tons of lizards and turning in the meat.

On blue I have a cleric with epic, fungi and all that nonsense.




Except it is. Go on green, actually ask a random survey of people anywhere you want, and you'll see one of a few responses:
- I thought the merge was called
- Blue is awful I hope they dont merge
- It would be too crowded
- I dont want broken mechanics on blue

You ARE in the minority. And you obviously are getting angry because thinly veiled excuses are nonsense for what you're trying to protect: "MuH Legacy".



Post a video of you deleting all your characters then. If you don't care, why are you even posting about what happens either way? Absolute 3 head argument.




No, that's literally you at this point. You've been caught multiple times in this disingenuous claim. People joined green because it was a fresh start, with classic mechanics, a fresh raid scene, and the waters not muddy over years of different abuses (RMT, massive AOE pulls, changing rules, Partial GMs, etc).

We get it, you love your pixels, but they're not worth crapping on the community for, or forcing a large majority to play non-classic ruleset when they obviously want a classic ruleset.

Also, just to be clear, just because you dont value your time (that's a joke, you obviously do, which is why you're posting so fervently despite not 'caring' what happens to your characters), most people do value their characters. It's a huge time investment.




See above, One of the main issues people worry about is overcrowding already. Especially on launch hype.

Additionally, I'd bet donuts to dollars MORE people join on this next iteration, especially with a more concrete plan as to what happens to green characters after cycles if blue wasn't involved.

Most players on Green dont care about the population on Blue. You seem obsessed with it though. Telling.




Again, if you don't care about anything than starting new, why do you care at all about when and where the server dumps its current green characters?

If dumping green characters wasn't an issue of active population, why are you making population arguments?

It's because you're worried people will still want to play their green characters after the the next cycle, and instead of being stuck on a legacy server forever, you want that sweet sweet green population to join back with blue.

Your excuses are so thinly veiled behind your real motivation it's like looking through plastic wrap bruv.

One person is calling for a complete wipe of blue and merge with green + fresh green 2.0. The other person is calling for an entire additional server to preserve his green 1.0 bullshit separately from anything else and further segregating the community in the process. I think it's pretty obvious which one of us has ulterior pixel motives. Also who the fuck thinks either server is overpopulated? That's the first I'm hearing of it. Half the world is a ghost town on both blue and green lately. People flock to the same handful of zones cause there isn't enough people to spread out and have regular active groups outside the standard popular zones.

You're an idiot and I think that's fairly obvious to anyone else still reading at this point. I don't know why I'm even arguing with a 1 month old troll account literally called dingus.

[ya.dingus]

One person is calling for a complete wipe of blue and merge with green + fresh green 2.0. The other person is calling for an entire additional server to preserve his green 1.0 bullshit separately from anything else and further segregating the community in the process. I think it's pretty obvious which one of us has ulterior pixel motives. Also who the fuck thinks either server is overpopulated? That's the first I'm hearing of it. Half the world is a ghost town on both blue and green lately. People flock to the same handful of zones cause there isn't enough people to spread out and have regular active groups outside the standard popular zones.

You're an idiot and I think that's fairly obvious to anyone else still reading at this point. I don't know why I'm even arguing with a 1 month old troll account literally called dingus.

Money where mouth is. You dont care about your characters, prove it.

Post a video of you deleting them on your main account.

Green isn't a ghost town, you'd know if you played. This is why it's obvious you just want that sweet green pop to rejoin your bloated legacy beta bucks server.

Dude projecting on the guy with a level 9 warrior in full banded saying i'm trying to protect "muh pixels".

Dr. Phil levels of psychological projection.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F3qef8e.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[Malikail]

Server merge of blue and green is at this stage a terrible idea. I for one do not want it to happen, nor do i have any reason to believe it will.

Frankly i think its perfect to leave just as it is, especially cause it screws over all my former guildmates on blue that thought they could hop on green, farm up rare items and get them when the servers merge.

I would enjoy an official statement that the server merge won't happen just to drink their tears.

[cd288]

Lol OP is so embarrassing. Lol at using red pill terms to insult people while you’re post on the forums for an emulated server of a 23 year old mmo (and caring enough to make multiple posts about a server merge in the first place), so pathetic lmao

[ya.dingus]

Lol OP is so embarrassing. Lol at using red pill terms to insult people while you’re post on the forums for an emulated server of a 23 year old mmo (and caring enough to make multiple posts about a server merge in the first place), so pathetic lmao

What does a 23 year old mmo have anything to do with it? It's how we all spend our time, and that time investment is large.

3 head arguments everywhere. It's the same three blueberreis screaming desperately to try to get us to merge to beta bucks blue server.

Put money where mouth is.

Screenshots of you deleting all your main characters on blue if you dont care.

[azeth]

screenshots of you deleting all your main characters on blue if you dont care.

This is what toxic immersion looks like. This is the literal worst thing this person can imagine happening to somebody.

[Gustoo]

merge asap.

Blue and green are the same. Sorry guys.

[cd288]

This is what toxic immersion looks like. This is the literal worst thing this person can imagine happening to somebody.

Lmao precisely.

People get so crazily wound up with this stuff. It’s like the merge is probably not even happening till sometime in 2023 and it will ultimately not really have a negative effect on anything. The two servers will merge and we’ll get a fresh green to start over on which is awesome!

[ya.dingus]

Lmao precisely.

People get so crazily wound up with this stuff. It’s like the merge is probably not even happening till sometime in 2023 and it will ultimately not really have a negative effect on anything. The two servers will merge and we’ll get a fresh green to start over on which is awesome!

Dont have an argument, gotta resort to character assassination.

The ol playbook, ad hominem and push the agenda again despite it making no sense.

Those mental gymnastics are worthy of a politician.

You guys ever consider running for office?

[PatChapp]

Merge Green into Red. Problem solved. Start fresh99.

I think best option is red 2.0 setup like green, full reset after last velious patch. Naked blackburrow wars,fighting over snakes,then pixel jockies get to have some fun on kunark.
Then shitious comes out and server dies until reset.
Big dreams.

[ya.dingus]

This is what toxic immersion looks like. This is the literal worst thing this person can imagine happening to somebody.

Calling someone out on their double think? "Oh I don't care about characters, wipe blue" but then not having the convinction to stand by their comment and delete their character? It's almost as if they weren't being honest with their motivations. Hmm

Also, if you think arguments over the internet are the "worst thing that can happen to someone", you've lived a very sheltered life.

Might be time to go out and get some sun, bruv.


Toxic immersion on a level 9 warrior. These blueberries are as disingingeous in their arguments as they are unintelligent.

[Malikail]

merge asap.

Blue and green are the same. Sorry guys.

Do you play on either server? Definately not green if you think that.

[cd288]

Calling someone out on their double think? "Oh I don't care about characters, wipe blue" but then not having the convinction to stand by their comment and delete their character? It's almost as if they weren't being honest with their motivations. Hmm

Also, if you think arguments over the internet are the "worst thing that can happen to someone", you've lived a very sheltered life.

Might be time to go out and get some sun, bruv.


Toxic immersion on a level 9 warrior. These blueberries are as disingingeous in their arguments as they are unintelligent.

Do you have zero reading comprehension? You’re making the same comment over and over to the wrong commenter who didn’t say anything about deleting their chats not caring about their chars etc.

But at any rate man don’t stress. The merge is likely still like 12 months away. And then there will be a new green for you and I to start fresh on and build our characters up again!

[Trexller]

guys both servers are the same game... in fact, one has a pet info window, and one doesn't

this is entirely the difference now

you're arguing over the fact that one server has alot more of specific items than the other server, but these items are not the same.

green is gonna have alot less fungi tunics, CoFs, CoS, etc, blue will have alot less abukar boxes, thex daggers, manastones etc

After a merge occurs, then literally nothing is different, all of these disparities in loot concentration will be moot points.

Yeah, in game economics are going to get a little screwy, and then it's going to balance out, and prices will drop drop drop because less than 1% of players on either server can come up with the asinine amounts of plat you people want for "rare or unique" items.

There is alot more platinum on blue for sure, but its all gonna go to green players bringing over their legacy items. And then the casual player will benefit from being able to purchase items post merge, that they couldn't afford prior to it.

There are definitely pros and cons to merging green into blue, and the pros vastly outweigh the cons.

You really want to make these guys invest in more server hardware? Nilbog just had to fix some shit because the forums/wiki were getting really slow.

There really is no case in hell for a 4th server. Unless YOU wanna buy it.

hey they could run alot of stuff with this! only 34k USD refurbished!

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-PowerEdge-M1000e-16x-M640/dp/B08WF4CBZJ/ref=sr_1_14?crid=1XY6NVYEBIIAU&keywords=dell+server&qid=1654464032&s=electronics&sprefix=dell+server%2Celectronics%2C61&sr=1-14

[cd288]

guys both servers are the same game... in fact, one has a pet info window, and one doesn't

this is entirely the difference now

you're arguing over the fact that one server has alot more of specific items than the other server, but these items are not the same.

green is gonna have alot less fungi tunics, CoFs, CoS, etc, blue will have alot less abukar boxes, thex daggers, manastones etc

After a merge occurs, then literally nothing is different, all of these disparities in loot concentration will be moot points.

Yeah, in game economics are going to get a little screwy, and then it's going to balance out, and prices will drop drop drop because less than 1% of players on either server can come up with the asinine amounts of plat you people want for "rare or unique" items.

There is alot more platinum on blue for sure, but its all gonna go to green players bringing over their legacy items. And then the casual player will benefit from being able to purchase items post merge, that they couldn't afford prior to it.

There are definitely pros and cons to merging green into blue, and the pros vastly outweigh the cons.

You really want to make these guys invest in more server hardware? Nilbog just had to fix some shit because the forums/wiki were getting really slow.

There really is no case in hell for a 4th server. Unless YOU wanna buy it.

hey they could run alot of stuff with this! only 34k USD refurbished!

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-PowerEdge-M1000e-16x-M640/dp/B08WF4CBZJ/ref=sr_1_14?crid=1XY6NVYEBIIAU&keywords=dell+server&qid=1654464032&s=electronics&sprefix=dell+server%2Celectronics%2C61&sr=1-14

This is probably the best comment that has been written about a merge lol

[ya.dingus]

Do you have zero reading comprehension? You’re making the same comment over and over to the wrong commenter who didn’t say anything about deleting their chats not caring about their chars etc.

But at any rate man don’t stress. The merge is likely still like 12 months away. And then there will be a new green for you and I to start fresh on and build our characters up again!


Do you have zero reading comprehension?

Nah broskii, that's you. Since you can't tell context, I'll spell it out for you and your blue brigading friends.

I was talking to him directly, but the topic was both you and him. Him for being unintentionally ironic about "tOxIc ImMeRsIoN", and you for just making bold claims, and contradicting yourself.

The reason I'm making the same statement over, and over, is because you're too dense to figure out that's what the conversation has boiled down to - You having no argument, and me calling your bluff for the thinly veiled self interested ulterior motive that it is.


I'm giving you the chance to prove me wrong, to make good on your "WIPE BLUE", "I DONT CARE ABOUT MY PIXELS", "MERGE GREEN INTO BLUE BECAUSE ALL THE CHARS ARE TRASH" you've been screaming at other people for this whole time.

Delete your characters.

Make good on your claim and all these other blue turds saying the same thing that they dont care.

Delete your characters on blue if they dont matter, and play on green.

And that's the beauty of it all. No matter what part of the argument you take, it's contradictory.

Don't make me explain that last part to you.


edit:

Just like the above poster said, it's all about the legacy loot you want. To hell with that in my opinion.

Blue isn't just about the economy, it's about the environment - the much further from non-classic mechanics, the obvious power tilt that exists for extremely long established characters/guilds that have the upper end of the game on lock. Anyone who has played this game from launch knows there's much more than economy that makes blue far more wonkier and sloppy than green is.

Green is a chance to get away from that and start fresh, and I dont just mean as a server, but as a community that wants to follow the actual spirit of a vanilla mechanics server

[Old_PVP]

Do you play on either server? Definately not green if you think that.

https://i.imgur.com/iB5xwIJ.gif


Blue/Green the same. Sorry. The truth hurts.

[Trexller]

This is probably the best comment that has been written about a merge lol

I would bet alot of money that the OP has stored up several accounts worth of specific items which he intends to sell later as markets change, and sees server merges as a direct threat to his profitability, and that is the entire reasoning behind his lobbying to make further server launches a separate thing from blue.

one of those 24/7 EC reseller bots, is the OP

Just like real life, nobody every makes a big stink unless they personally have alot to lose, should things go in a way that does not favor them.

[ya.dingus]

https://i.imgur.com/iB5xwIJ.gif


Blue/Green the same. Sorry. The truth hurts.

You must have just started on the server last year.

Otherwise if you were a long time player, you'd know there's a significant difference between the two.

Or, hear me out, you could just be dishonest?

[ya.dingus]

I would bet alot of money that the OP has stored up several accounts worth of specific items which he intends to sell later as markets change, and sees server merges as a direct threat to his profitability, and that is the entire reasoning behind his lobbying to make further server launches a separate thing from blue.

one of those 24/7 EC reseller bots, is the OP

Just like real life, nobody every makes a big stink unless they personally have alot to lose, should things go in a way that does not favor them.

Have a staff member confirm the status of my accounts. I literally have little to nothing. I'm completely open for a real staff member to come on here and post what is on my account. Go for it.

Here's my permission to do so.

Also to date, I'll bet top dollar I'm also the only person on here to have deleted a level 40+ bunch of characters on blue. My other accounts were philosopher1 and philosopher2. Go ahead staff, take a look.

[Trexller]

You must have just started on the server last year.

Otherwise if you were a long time player, you'd know there's a significant difference between the two.

Or, hear me out, you could just be dishonest?

We have been here for like a decade.

you made your account 1 month ago.

[Trexller]

Have a staff member confirm the status of my accounts. I literally have little to nothing. I'm completely open for a real staff member to come on here and post what is on my account. Go for it.

Here's my permission to do so.

Also to date, I'll bet top dollar I'm also the only person on here to have deleted a level 40+ bunch of characters on blue. My other accounts were philosopher1 and philosopher2. Go ahead staff, take a look.

Yeah, you "gave your permission for staff to dox your in-game loots" while knowing full well that they won't lift a finger to do so, they could not care less about the inane things we bicker over.

[ya.dingus]

Yeah, you "gave your permission for staff to dox your in-game loots" while knowing full well that they won't lift a finger to do so, they could not care less about the inane things we bicker over.

Sounds like back peddling to me

Watch this...

[Trexller]

Sounds like back peddling to me

Watch this...

how is calling out your own BS backpeddling? you know damn well that the staff aren't gonna swoop in here like batman and show us a magelo built from server logs. lol how would staff even confirm or deny the items you hold? lol its total bullshit

"Hey Guys, This is my invitation for Elon Musk to give me the rights to Tesla and SpaceX, all he has to do is post it on the P99 forums!"

I fucking owned your entire thread in one post, back peddle on that.

[ya.dingus]

Last of my remaining gear on blue from my cleric and monk and a few others after I deleted them.

I'm willing to stand by my convictions, how about you?

Edit there we go. Go ahead dudes, you say your characters on Blue don't matter, wipe them clean then.

Pro-tip, you wont.

https://i.imgur.com/0nzmkz8.png

https://i.imgur.com/S4ul0zR.png

https://i.imgur.com/n3SNy0r.png

https://i.imgur.com/xLla3Iy.png

[Trexller]

Last of my remaining gear on blue from my cleric and monk and a few others after I deleted them.

I'm willing to stand by my convictions, how about you?

Edit there we go. Go ahead dudes, you say your characters on Blue doesnt matter, wipe them clean.

Blueberries totally matter, I dont wanna give up everything I put into all my toons there, and i rarely play them these days i mostly log on to ninja-buff players for fun, but I cycle through games, and the P99 itch will need to be scratched in the future.

You just got yourself into the black hole of trying to prove something to the internet, that can't be immediately and tangibly quantified, this is always a losing battle.

Never speak in specifics, never say, "I am this specific thing, or I have this or that"

some douche bag is always gonna be like, BAHAHA YEAH I BET YOU DO.

Internet survival is alot like trade craft, you gotta stick to the shadows and only emerge with you're sure of your coup d'etat

[ya.dingus]

Blueberries totally matter, I dont wanna give up everything I put into all my toons there, and i rarely play them these days i mostly log on to ninja-buff players for fun, but I cycle through games, and the P99 itch will need to be scratched in the future.

You just got yourself into the black hole of trying to prove something to the internet, that can't be immediately and tangibly quantified, this is always a losing battle.

Never speak in specifics, never say, "I am this specific thing, or I have this or that"

some douche bag is always gonna be like, BAHAHA YEAH I BET YOU DO.

Internet survival is alot like trade craft, you gotta stick to the shadows and only emerge with you're sure of your coup d'etat

Ah yes, the quadruple back peddle. Back peddling so hard you're literally breaking the time space continuum with your physics defying maneuver.

If you dont play either, why does your opinion matter? - It doesnt.

If you dont care what your characters are doing, and want to wipe blue, then wipe them. - you wont.

If you're so concerned about the population, play on green. - you don't because that's not where your pixels are.


Let's face it, you blueberry brigaders just want green to dump into blue for your own selfish interests.

It doesn't matter if blue is an exploited, buggy, historically muddied, rmt trading, lopsided raid scene server. You just want your pixels.

Like I said, there's only one way to validate you aren't lying through your teeth with all these claims you made.


Delete all your stuff and post it.

Until then, I think everyone knows how foolish you are trying to say that a good batch of server characters should dump into a crappy beta server and ruin their progress.

Buncha charlatans up in this thread.

[Old_PVP]

You must have just started on the server last year.

Otherwise if you were a long time player, you'd know there's a significant difference between the two.

Or, hear me out, you could just be dishonest?

"long time player" on a server that isn't even 3 years old yet? *chuckle* Is there such a thing?

BlueGreen have the same exact ruleset YA.DINGUS. Your name just became appropriately handy, congrats!

Enough of the tomfoolery, merge the 2 shit servers into 1 giant shit server.

[ya.dingus]

"long time player" on a server that isn't even 3 years old yet? *chuckle* Is there such a thing?

BlueGreen have the same exact ruleset YA.DINGUS. Your name just became appropriately handy, congrats!

Enough of the tomfoolery, merge the 2 shit servers into 1 giant shit server.

Have the same exact ruleset?

Yeah, no.

1) UI differences
2) Targeting differences
3) Long history of rules now banned never being available on green
- Large AOE Pulls fueling economy for years - Chardok, Bard Swarm Kite (it's aoe kiting)
- Partial GMs given preference to certain raiding guilds due to relationship
- RMT Trading
- Account Trading
- Kunark 6+ Years
- A total of 13 Years, 10 years longer than green
- A broken end game raiding environment
- Patched out mechanics that lasted much longer on blue than green letting people exploit them

The two servers are night and day.

Mental backflip all you want, I'm going to continually hold your feet to the fire.

If it sounds like I'm repeating myself, keep this in mind, I'm doing so until you actually address the issues and come up with a real argument that isn't a façade for your own self interest in pixels on that buggy, exploited, mess, of a beta blue bucks server you call 'classic'.


Or, you can keep on lying about your self interest, dodging the question, or failing to provide any proof that you're willing to stick to your conviction that you don't care if they wipe blue.

We already know what you bunch of blueberries will do, ya dishonest, selfish, turds.

[Worry]

Merging is the ONLY option due to population numbers. This shouldn't be a discussion lol...

[ya.dingus]

Merging is the ONLY option due to population numbers. This shouldn't be a discussion lol...

Delete blue and merge into green then.

Population is fine otherwise.

This might be a hard pill to swallow, but green literally doesnt need blue's pop to be successful.

It also doesnt require the majority of the player base merging into a buggy exploited server.


Delete your characters, join green.

Money > see mouth.

[cd288]

Blueberries totally matter, I dont wanna give up everything I put into all my toons there, and i rarely play them these days i mostly log on to ninja-buff players for fun, but I cycle through games, and the P99 itch will need to be scratched in the future.

You just got yourself into the black hole of trying to prove something to the internet, that can't be immediately and tangibly quantified, this is always a losing battle.

Never speak in specifics, never say, "I am this specific thing, or I have this or that"

some douche bag is always gonna be like, BAHAHA YEAH I BET YOU DO.

Internet survival is alot like trade craft, you gotta stick to the shadows and only emerge with you're sure of your coup d'etat

Lol OP is getting dominated.

But yeah I agree he probably has a bunch of legacy items he’s worried about the price going down on, which is dumb because the price will either go up due to combing the amount of plat on the server from the merge, or will stay the same because people will just pay whatever you ask. Don’t worry OP your legacy item sales will be fine man

[Worry]

Delete blue and merge into green then.

Population is fine otherwise.

This might be a hard pill to swallow, but green literally doesnt need blue's pop to be successful. Sure.

But merging is the only option. P99 will be dead within a year if no merge and a new "green" server is released.

[ya.dingus]

Sure.

But merging is the only option. P99 will be dead within a year if no merge and a new "green" server is released.

Somehow I doubt it. If they were to add teal as the new server, I'm pretty sure people would come flocking back.

We've seen numbers of over 3.5-4k on releases. And with a solid foundation that doesnt include a broken server, we'd see it again.

There was a national news story about when green released, let's be real.

[cd288]

But in all seriousness the real reason is more likely OP is in ST and is worried about having raid competition from Vanq (while not realizing that half of the raiders raid in the top guild on both servers because they play both blue and green)

[Worry]

Somehow I doubt it. If they were to add teal as the new server, I'm pretty sure people would come flocking back.

We've seen numbers of over 3.5-4k on releases. And with a solid foundation that doesnt include a broken server, we'd see it again.

There was a national news story about when green released, let's be real. No, because in your scenario Green would still be around. There'd be Blue, Green and "Teal" I guess. It'd be split into 3 instead of 2.

The massive pop on releases literally only last 2 or 3 days. Let's not act like that's a figure to make decisions by lol..

[cd288]

Somehow I doubt it. If they were to add teal as the new server, I'm pretty sure people would come flocking back.

We've seen numbers of over 3.5-4k on releases. And with a solid foundation that doesnt include a broken server, we'd see it again.

There was a national news story about when green released, let's be real.

Lmao 4k. Dude we’ve never had 4k on blue or green. Green launch was a lot of fun and highly populated but it was 4k lmao.

[ya.dingus]

Lol OP is getting dominated.

But yeah I agree he probably has a bunch of legacy items he’s worried about the price going down on, which is dumb because the price will either go up due to combing the amount of plat on the server from the merge, or will stay the same because people will just pay whatever you ask. Don’t worry OP your legacy item sales will be fine man

Have you even read the thread? I just posted me deleting all my stuff on blue.

OP isnt dominated because the same 5 blueberries are brigading the thread.

Got damn, you have a way of ignoring things being said and creating your own reality.

[ya.dingus]

Lmao 4k. Dude we’ve never had 4k on blue or green. Green launch was a lot of fun and highly populated but it was 4k lmao.

Velious released to like 3.5, you obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Well, more like you're obviously dishonest and self interested, something that has been proven.

Still waiting for you to delete your stuff like you said you would.

Keep dancing around it.

[Trexller]

Ah yes, the quadruple back peddle. Back peddling so hard you're literally breaking the time space continuum with your physics defying maneuver.

If you dont play either, why does your opinion matter? - It doesnt.

If you dont care what your characters are doing, and want to wipe blue, then wipe them. - you wont.

If you're so concerned about the population, play on green. - you don't because that's not where your pixels are.


Let's face it, you blueberry brigaders just want green to dump into blue for your own selfish interests.

It doesn't matter if blue is an exploited, buggy, historically muddied, rmt trading, lopsided raid scene server. You just want your pixels.

Like I said, there's only one way to validate you aren't lying through your teeth with all these claims you made.


Delete all your stuff and post it.

Until then, I think everyone knows how foolish you are trying to say that a good batch of server characters should dump into a crappy beta server and ruin their progress.

Buncha charlatans up in this thread.

How is any of this backpeddling? maybe you are confusing terms? im not digging myself out of a hole -- You Are.

definitely not gonna delete my gear/toons... I spent alot of time working them all to 60, and countless hours sitting at raids to gear them up...

also I have no idea what deleting my toons would prove?

Until then, I think everyone knows how foolish you are trying to say that a good batch of server characters should dump into a crappy beta server and ruin their progress.

So, who is everyone? there is like 1 other guy in this thread who supports your idea... which is probably you on another account.

and exactly how is merging green to blue selfish? like, only ridiculous hoarder types like Castle II are gonna benefit from a merger, and they are few, very very few.

bro you just aren't making a very good case to keep the servers separate, all you got is some weird strawman fallacy

[Worry]

Velious released to like 3.5, you obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Well, more like you're obviously dishonest and self interested, something that has been proven.

Still waiting for you to delete your stuff like you said you would.

Keep dancing around it. You're hurting your argument being so combative and irritable.

Ignoring every other argument for or against merge, there's the undeniable fact that high populations last a week tops after releases.

Our community pop simply can not handle 3 servers.

[cd288]

Yeah for real on the last point. Like if anything you’d be selfish to NOT want the merge. If it does what OP fears and drives item prices down, those super rare legacy items on blue are gonna have their price deflated. Really blue players would be against the merge if they were self interested.

At any rate, its kind of a pointless convo since the staff said they were merging so debating it is kind of a waste of time.

[ya.dingus]

How is any of this backpeddling? maybe you are confusing terms? im not digging myself out of a hole -- You Are.

definitely not gonna delete my gear/toons... I spent alot of time working them all to 60, and countless hours sitting at raids to gear them up...

also I have no idea what deleting my toons would prove?



So, who is everyone? there is like 1 other guy in this thread who supports your idea... which is probably you on another account.

and exactly how is merging green to blue selfish? like, only ridiculous hoarder types like Castle II are gonna benefit from a merger, and they are few, very very few.

bro you just aren't making a very good case to keep the servers separate, all you got is some weird strawman fallacy



Literally same 5 from posting in rants and flames came back to brigade this idea. You turds arent fooling anyone.

I've addressed all your remarks in responses above I'm not going to keep repeating them.

But feel free to keep bumping the thread. Let's more people read through it and realize that merging into blue is not only a dumb decision, but a fatal one for the community.


Answer the question:

Why should the majority of the population be forced to merge into an exploited server that's the beta server?

Answer the question:

If you really believe it doesnt matter what they do with blue, and you think they should wipe the characters on it before merging green, are you going to delete your characters?

Answer the question:

If population matters so much to you, why arent you playing on the more popular server that adheres to the classic vision of both team and the community?


Answer the question:

If this isn't about your self interest in all your pixels on blue, why haven't you and why can't you answer, or won't follow through, with any of your claims?


definitely not gonna delete my gear/toons... I spent alot of time working them all to 60, and countless hours sitting at raids to gear them up...

Like the majority of the population who has spent their time on green and have worked on their characters without exploits?

The lack of self awareness is baffling.

[ya.dingus]

Yeah for real on the last point. Like if anything you’d be selfish to NOT want the merge. If it does what OP fears and drives item prices down, those super rare legacy items on blue are gonna have their price deflated. Really blue players would be against the merge if they were self interested.

At any rate, its kind of a pointless convo since the staff said they were merging so debating it is kind of a waste of time.

You're literally the only one talking about prices. You're also literally the only one misrepresenting the argument in hopes your brigading is going to win you over support.

You don't even have a 3 head, it's just a 2 head at this point.

Oh look, I don't care about blue at all.

Last of my remaining gear on blue from my cleric and monk and a few others after I deleted them.

I'm willing to stand by my convictions, how about you?

Edit there we go. Go ahead dudes, you say your characters on Blue don't matter, wipe them clean then.

Pro-tip, you wont.

https://i.imgur.com/0nzmkz8.png

https://i.imgur.com/S4ul0zR.png

https://i.imgur.com/n3SNy0r.png

https://i.imgur.com/xLla3Iy.png

[Fammaden]

The blue server is the crowning achievement that made Project 1999 possible and allowed the green server to ever be conceived. It will be a great honor bestowed upon green players to be granted permission to join in the grand legacy of the blue server when the merger is initiated.

[cd288]

You're literally the only one talking about prices. You're also literally the only one misrepresenting the argument in hopes your brigading is going to win you over support.

You don't even have a 3 head, it's just a 2 head at this point.

Oh look, I don't care about blue at all.

Sort of a pointless convo and pointless to keep spamming the forums making threads about it when the staff said it’s going to merge

[Worry]

This thread has convinced me we need to merge green into red.

[ya.dingus]

Green is going to merge into Blue?

Who decided that?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server


Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Is everything you say cd288 a lie?

[ya.dingus]

This thread has convinced me we need to merge green into red.

Unironically still the better option than merging green into blue.

[Trexller]

Literally same 5 from posting in rants and flames came back to brigade this idea. You turds arent fooling anyone.

I've addressed all your remarks in responses above I'm not going to keep repeating them.

But feel free to keep bumping the thread. Let's more people read through it and realize that merging into blue is not only a dumb decision, but a fatal one for the community.


Answer the question:

Why should the majority of the population be forced to merge into an exploited server that's the beta server?

Answer the question:

If you really believe it doesnt matter what they do with blue, and you think they should wipe the characters on it before merging green, are you going to delete your characters?

Answer the question:

If population matters so much to you, why arent you playing on the more popular server that adheres to the classic vision of both team and the community?


Answer the question:

If this isn't about your self interest in all your pixels on blue, why haven't you and why can't you answer, or won't follow through, with any of your claims?




Like the majority of the population who has spent their time on green and have worked on their characters without exploits?

The lack of self awareness is baffling.

ok I'll bite

Why should the majority of the population be forced to merge into an exploited server that's the beta server?

those major exploits that you are concerned about have been gone for years, most of that gear was removed from accounts, and most of the accounts involved were straight up banned, so while it is a valid concern, I believe it to be much much less of an issue than you think it is.

If you really believe it doesnt matter what they do with blue, and you think they should wipe the characters on it before merging green, are you going to delete your characters?

I have never heard a staff member mention a "wiping" of blue when green merges into blue, where did this idea come from? There are hundreds of people who play exclusively on blue, staff isn't just gonna be like "Sorry bitches bye bye pixels"

If population matters so much to you, why arent you playing on the more popular server that adheres to the classic vision of both team and the community?

Speaking for myself, I like my pixels that I earned on blue, and I have toons on green that I play when the spirit moves me.

If this isn't about your self interest in all your pixels on blue, why haven't you and why can't you answer, or won't follow through, with any of your claims?

What claims? I have not represented anyone but myself, nor have I made claims one way or another.

Im getting the impression that you think blue is a wild west free for all with no rules and everyone scripts MQ2 to automate the game for them. You do know that alot of exploits still would work on green right? people just dont do them, or haven't been caught yet. Like you can still change an NPC model to see what weapons its carrying. You can still make frogs in guk get stuck in their own pathing so pets can hit them without the mob fighting back. Theres gotta be more, thats just off the top of my head.

I also get the impression that you feel as though the work you put into your green server toons will be somehow diluted, sullied or made to be less, should you have to log onto the blue server to access those items, instead of green.

This could not be further from the truth, You worked for it, You earned it, You get to have it, and you can troll-brag on blue about how you're from green, where all items were earned, while walking uphill to school both ways in 3 foot snow with newspapers and barbed wire for shoes

edit: its worth mentioning here, and everywhere else this topic comes up, that during the lifetime of blue, 3 years into it or so I think? P99 Devs had to come to a legal agreement with Daybreak in order to continue operating this fan-run server. So a buncha things changed after that, no more account trading, ultra-hard RMT crackdown, and other minor things which did impact life on the blue server, which green never had to face.

[cd288]

Green is going to merge into Blue?

Who decided that?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server




Is everything you say cd288 a lie?

Lol they obviously added that because people were spamming them on discord and they wanted people to be quiet. You gonna buy them a server and pay to keep it going? LOL!

But anyway dude like I said seriously don’t stress about it. I play on green too and the merge won’t harm the servers. Things will be fine

[ya.dingus]

Lol they obviously added that because people were spamming them on discord and they wanted people to be quiet. You gonna buy them a server and pay to keep it going? LOL!

But anyway dude like I said seriously don’t stress about it. I play on green too and the merge won’t harm the servers. Things will be fine

Oh look, you just admitted that there are other people who don't want to merge into green either.

Man, everything you say is dishonest. You must be a real gem to play with online.

[Worry]

Ah so this guy is just a troll.

Silly me.

[Bardp1999]

I was at the first Naggy kill on Green at level 30 something a couple of weeks into launch. It was all downhill from there.

https://i.imgur.com/llhaE5A.jpg

[Trexller]

OK try this on

Prior to green launch, I started a thread very much like this one expressing concerns that a new full PVE server would fracture the population and result in 2 dead servers.

I was very wrong.

My challenge to the aptly named Ya.Dingus: Dare To Be Wrong!

[cd288]

Oh look, you just admitted that there are other people who don't want to merge into green either.

Man, everything you say is dishonest. You must be a real gem to play with online.

Dude I’m trying to help you feel better. I know you’re stressed out about this but don’t worry the merge isn’t happening for like 9-12 months I bet, you’re gonna be okay and won’t suffer any negative impact from it. In fact, then you’ll get a brand new green to play on!

[ya.dingus]

Dude I’m trying to help you feel better. I know you’re stressed out about this but don’t worry the merge isn’t happening for like 9-12 months I bet, you’re gonna be okay and won’t suffer any negative impact from it. In fact, then you’ll get a brand new green to play on!

Oh I'm not stressed.

I'm just looking forward to the exponential salt blueberries will have when they realize their beta bucks server is obsolete. Welcome to red status.

[Bardp1999]

Prior to green launch, I started a thread very much like this one expressing concerns that a new full PVE server would fracture the population and result in 2 dead servers.

I was very wrong.

My challenge to the aptly named Ya.Dingus: Dare To Be Wrong!

We had a 2500-3000 pop server and now we have 2 sub 1000 pop servers, you were not very wrong

[cd288]

Oh I'm not stressed.

I'm just looking forward to the exponential salt blueberries will have when they realize their beta bucks server is obsolete. Welcome to red status.

I mean both blue and green will be obsolete because they’ll merge. That’s really the reality with progression servers. The original server and the next one will eventually be obsolete when the new one starts, just the way of the world on here

[ya.dingus]

We had a 2500-3000 pop server and now we have 2 sub 1000 pop servers, you were not very wrong

Green has over 1k pop currently mid day, on a sunday.

[ya.dingus]

I mean both blue and green will be obsolete because they’ll merge. That’s really the reality with progression servers. The original server and the next one will eventually be obsolete when the new one starts, just the way of the world on here

Blue isn't an original, and the staff have even stated it was beta. It was always their plan to release an actual production server.

Blue (and Red) Post-Green
Although Blue's original purpose was to sever as a "Beta" server for Green, after Green's release the Blue (and Red?) will continue running, at the current (just before Luclin) point in the timeline. "Classically inspired" custom content may be added in the future.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

Them pixels are in danger man.

[Trexller]

I mean both blue and green will be obsolete because they’ll merge. That’s really the reality with progression servers. The original server and the next one will eventually be obsolete when the new one starts, just the way of the world on here

yeah i think i was pretty wrong on that one.

before green launched I thought that splitting the blue pop to another server would result in 2 dead servers

both blue and green are still going strong, albeit with a few less players.

What I didn't consider is the insane amount of new players that green brought in, and all of the other old school p99 players who came back for a chance on a fresh server.

But as we all know, the green launch was a huge success, so much so that they needed a temporary overflow server.

If I asked for any change made to blue when the servers merge, would be that warders respawn indefinitely, like on TAKP

it really is a bitch move to wake the sleeper and deny other players the ability to farm those dragons, and these bitter, vindictive, sniveling bastards that we call end game raiders should not have the ability to decide who gets access to what loot.

[PlsNoBan]

This guy is braindead and posting on a 1 month old troll account. Literally everyone knows he's wrong and making terrible points repeatedly but it's hard to resist arguing when someone says something so asinine over and over. "DELETE UR CHARS IF U REALLY WANT WIPE" lol. What a fuckin clown.

Sorry about the future blue/green merge OP. I know how desperately you wanted 6 different servers with 150 people on them.

[ya.dingus]

This guy is braindead and posting on a 1 month old troll account. Literally everyone knows he's wrong and making terrible points repeatedly but it's hard to resist arguing when someone says something so asinine over and over. "DELETE UR CHARS IF U REALLY WANT WIPE" lol. What a fuckin clown.

Sorry about the future blue/green merge OP. I know how desperately you wanted 6 different servers with 150 people on them.

Still going to keep ignoring this arent ya?

So sorry blueberry, but the merge isn't happening. Your exploited mud server is eventually going to be obsoleted. Who'd a thought bad policies, exploiting, and preferential GM treatment could possibly lead to the end of blue server as we know it. What a surprise...

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Blue beta bucks straight up delusional.

Last of my remaining gear on blue from my cleric and monk and a few others after I deleted them.

I'm willing to stand by my convictions, how about you?

Edit there we go. Go ahead dudes, you say your characters on Blue don't matter, wipe them clean then.

Pro-tip, you wont.

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[Tethler]

Why make the exact same thread that bombed in RnF? OP a glutton for punishment I guess.

[PlsNoBan]

Still going to keep ignoring this arent ya?

So sorry blueberry, but the merge isn't happening. Your exploited mud server is eventually going to be obsoleted. Who'd a thought bad policies, exploiting, and preferential GM treatment could possibly lead to the end of blue server as we know it. What a surprise...

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Blue beta bucks straight up delusional.

I don't even play blue ya dingus. I literally have no idea why you keep coming at me like I'm trying to defend some secret pro-blue agenda. I do not give 1 single fuck about blue or green 1.0. I would giggle with glee if both were wiped just to watch the meltdown of folks such as yourself and others that care FAR too much about 1999 video game pixels. I care about the next iteration of green (Whatever color they call it) and all the future recycling servers. I care about not fragmenting a community more than necessary into a bunch of extra servers for no good reason.

You could literally use your extremely poorly thought out arguments to suggest not merging every new server that P99 ever comes out with. Green 2.0 shouldn't merge with Green 1.0 cuz blahblahblah some corrupt GM did something or they made some change that made xp take longer or they nerfed channeling. P99 has had various corrupt staff members over the course of it's life. You think that's magically gonna stop from this moment forward? There will ALWAYS be shit you can make up to say they shouldn't merge. Do you think every new server should be a brand new one and keep all the old ones going concurrently forever? That might be one of the dumbest ideas ever suggested on this forum (and that's saying something). Not to mention the hardware cost associated with doing something like that. I have a hard time believing you're actually this stupid. It's okay to admit when you're wrong big fella.

[cd288]

Why make the exact same thread that bombed in RnF? OP a glutton for punishment I guess.

Lmao this should be the /thread

[Lifebar]

Merge Blue into Green then restart Blue with EC gambling allowed.

[Allishia]

Lol this again

[ya.dingus]

Lmao this should be the /thread

Bombed? Why because the same 5 blueberries brigade it?

The thing about post history is funny, you can literally view the post history of the same 5 people, which have been talking about working on that BiS on blue and waiting for legacy loot in green to come to the server.

That's you, Allisha, and the other 3 clowns.

Like I said, the ulterior motive can't be hidden at this point.

Save your shitty echo chambers for reddit. Also get off the green forums, it's apparent none of you play on the server.

Green will merge into blue and they will start a new fresh green so y'all can do that all over again. I will continue to work on getting bis on my warrior on blue /nod :)

Have fun on new fresh green and looking forward to all the fake dark elfs on blue when the merge happens :p

[Allishia]

Bombed? Why because the same 5 blueberries brigade it?

The thing about post history is funny, you can literally view the post history of the same 5 people, which have been talking about working on that BiS on blue and waiting for legacy loot in green to come to the server.

That's you, Allisha, and the other 3 clowns.

Like I said, the ulterior motive can't be hidden at this point.

Look forward to seeing you when you come over on blue in the merge :p

[ya.dingus]

I don't even play blue ya dingus. I literally have no idea why you keep coming at me like I'm trying to defend some secret pro-blue agenda. I do not give 1 single fuck about blue or green 1.0. I would giggle with glee if both were wiped just to watch the meltdown of folks such as yourself and others that care FAR too much about 1999 video game pixels. I care about the next iteration of green (Whatever color they call it) and all the future recycling servers. I care about not fragmenting a community more than necessary into a bunch of extra servers for no good reason.

You could literally use your extremely poorly thought out arguments to suggest not merging every new server that P99 ever comes out with. Green 2.0 shouldn't merge with Green 1.0 cuz blahblahblah some corrupt GM did something or they made some change that made xp take longer or they nerfed channeling. P99 has had various corrupt staff members over the course of it's life. You think that's magically gonna stop from this moment forward? There will ALWAYS be shit you can make up to say they shouldn't merge. Do you think every new server should be a brand new one and keep all the old ones going concurrently forever? That might be one of the dumbest ideas ever suggested on this forum (and that's saying something). Not to mention the hardware cost associated with doing something like that. I have a hard time believing you're actually this stupid. It's okay to admit when you're wrong big fella.


If you dont play on either, again refere to the comment I made several times, multiple posts ago.

Your opinion doesn't matter then.

Also, I think you should actually be tested for having some kind of mental disability.

If you think that kind of abuse exists today among current staff, as well as having a 13 year history of it on green, or that green and blue are even remotely the same in environment, i'd be hard pressed to say you could tie your own shoes at this point.

Don't worry, going through your chat history now and it's pretty apparent what the motives are.

I'll post that soon.

[ya.dingus]

Look forward to seeing you when you come over on blue in the merge :p

Got bad news for you if you think they're going to merge green into blue

[cd288]

Bombed? Why because the same 5 blueberries brigade it?

The thing about post history is funny, you can literally view the post history of the same 5 people, which have been talking about working on that BiS on blue and waiting for legacy loot in green to come to the server.

That's you, Allisha, and the other 3 clowns.

Like I said, the ulterior motive can't be hidden at this point.

Save your shitty echo chambers for reddit. Also get off the green forums, it's apparent none of you play on the server.

Except you conveniently ignored my reply to your other post (why do you make so many posts about this issue?) where I said the only legacy item I don't have on Blue is a manastone and that's because I don't care to have one given it's usage limitations (I already leveled up a Druid and Cleric and have no interest in leveling up a Wizard or Shaman which are the other two classes that could primarily benefit from its use). Although if I ever did want to level one of those classes and felt like having a manastone, I could easily just buy one tomorrow - there are a ton available on Blue.

Edit: Btw, I also have legacy items on my Green chars (with the exception of a manastone for the reason I stated above). So there's not really a benefit to a merge for me from a "legacy item" perspective.

[Allishia]

Got bad news for you if you think they're going to merge green into blue

If you ever need a tank on blue when you get here, just lemme know, I enjoy epic fights and quest /nod :)

[ya.dingus]

Except you conveniently ignored my reply to your other post (why do you make so many posts about this issue?) where I said the only legacy item I don't have on Blue is a manastone and that's because I don't care to have one given it's usage limitations (I already leveled up a Druid and Cleric and have no interest in leveling up a Wizard or Shaman which are the other two classes that could primarily benefit from its use). Although if I ever did want to level one of those classes and felt like having a manastone, I could easily just buy one tomorrow - there are a ton available on Blue.

Edit: Btw, I also have legacy items on my Green chars (with the exception of a manastone for the reason I stated above). So there's not really a benefit to a merge for me from a "legacy item" perspective.

it's literally not just about legacy gear and the items as to why blue shouldn't merge with green. You keep cherry picking these one offs, when you're ignoring 90% of the rest of the shit that's gone down on blue.

Your motivation based on your chat history says otherwise though.

Merging an exploited shit beta server with a fresh pool is stupid.

Hate to say it, the community literally doesn't need blue pop to play happily on green. That part is apparent.

No evidence is still no evidence. Which ya'll havent bothered posting.

But hey, how about this, let's have blue merge with green; however, purge blue before that happens.

Let's get behind that idea and I'm all for blue merging into green.

[ya.dingus]

Purge blue, then merge with green. That's the real solution here

[Allishia]

it's literally not just about legacy gear and the items as to why blue shouldn't merge with green.

Your motivation based on your chat history says otherwise though.

Merging an exploited shit beta server with a fresh pool is stupid.

Hate to say it, the community literally doesn't need blue pop to play happily on green. That part is apparent.

No evidence is still no evidence. Which ya'll havent bothered posting.

But hey, how about this, let's have blue merge with green; however, purge blue before that happens.

Let's get behind that idea and I'm all for blue merging into green.

Why do you want to destroy what people have been working hard on? I don't understand the need to delete my character for you to feel better?

Green was meant to roll over into blue when it was completed and starts fresh again...no one gets deleted or purged and there's always a fresh server for people to play on ..seems fair to me

[ya.dingus]

Why do you want to destroy what people have been working hard on? I don't understand the need to delete my character for you to feel better?

Green was meant to roll over into blue when it was completed and starts fresh again...no one gets deleted or purged and there's always a fresh server for people to play on ..seems fair to me

Because merging blue with green destroys what people on green have worked hard on.

You just lack self awareness and a critical understanding that people play on green because they dont want to play on blue.


Also green was not meant to roll over into blue. The staff's opinion changed within weeks of their initial announcement to roll out the server. Again it's in the p1999 wiki. You should probably spend some time reading it.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

[PatChapp]

Because merging blue with green destroys what people on green have worked hard on.

You just lack self awareness and a critical understanding that people play on green because they dont want to play on blue.


Also green was not meant to roll over into blue. The staff's opinion changed within weeks of their initial announcement to roll out the server. Again it's in the p1999 wiki. You should probably spend some time reading it.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server
Merging green into blue doesn't destroy anything, relax your pixels will be fine

[cd288]

it's literally not just about legacy gear and the items as to why blue shouldn't merge with green. You keep cherry picking these one offs, when you're ignoring 90% of the rest of the shit that's gone down on blue.

Your motivation based on your chat history says otherwise though.

Merging an exploited shit beta server with a fresh pool is stupid.

Hate to say it, the community literally doesn't need blue pop to play happily on green. That part is apparent.

No evidence is still no evidence. Which ya'll havent bothered posting.

But hey, how about this, let's have blue merge with green; however, purge blue before that happens.

Let's get behind that idea and I'm all for blue merging into green.

There's literally no real negative impact to a merge. What you're whining and crying about is apparently that you feel special for things you've accomplished on Green (who cares, it's a video game, relax) and feel like your accomplishments will be diluted by being merged with Blue because you claim exploits, that people have had longer to build their chars up, etc.

This always happens with progression servers. Look what just happened with one on live EQ? It got to the end of the timeline and got merged. It is what it is. If you play on a progression server that's a reality you have to accept. The positive is that at least your stuff doesn't get deleted, it's always there if you want to play it!

Maybe if you were willing to pay the really expensive cost of buying the server and paying to maintain it the staff might consider it. But they're not going to leave an identical server open just because you're whiney/a snowflake about your accomplishments in a 23 year old video game. Take a walk outside, clear your head, realize this is just a video game. Relax.

Not to mention the fact that if they don't merge and make a new fresh server while keeping both other servers open, Green will be dead. I don't want that, and nor will you once you realize that everyone abandoned Green to play on the new server, thus rendering these "accomplishments" you like to show off to people on Green moot.

[cd288]

Purge blue, then merge with green. That's the real solution here

That seems stupid, but hey it's their server they could do that if they wanted to. But seems doubtful they would just because you have nothing else going on in your life such that you are obsessed with your accomplishments in a 23 year old video game.

[cd288]

Why do you want to destroy what people have been working hard on? I don't understand the need to delete my character for you to feel better?

Green was meant to roll over into blue when it was completed and starts fresh again...no one gets deleted or purged and there's always a fresh server for people to play on ..seems fair to me

He wants you to delete your character because he is way too immersed such that he is petrified of what he feels will be dilution of his achievements when he's merged with Blue. So he posts some fake screenshot progression, with a lvl 1 and lvl 4 char on Blue and then claims to have deleted them. It's honestly one of the weirdest things I've seen anyone use as support for an argument on here lol

[PlsNoBan]

If you think that kind of abuse exists today among current staff

People said the same thing about current staff being above reproach during Sirken's tenure before his leaks came out. Plenty of people thought Derubael was a great GM too. List goes on and on. History tends to repeat itself don't be naive. You haven't been around very long and don't know much about human nature if you really think there will never be another corrupt GM scandal. For all we know it could be actively going on as we speak and we just won't know about it til if/when a leak occurs.


Purge blue, then merge with green. That's the real solution here

......I've literally said this like 5 times in my replies to your nonsense and you continued to repeat the same bullshit

You're a very very special fella

[Toxigen]

Can't wait to see all you crybabies on blue!

Sorry you don't got ability to read plans for green before dumping 1000s of hours into it. Hope this helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I honestly don't know where people got the idea Green wouldn't be merged into Blue. Until the developers say otherwise, that is the current plan.

If they do change the plan, we won't know about it until Green 1.0 is almost finished. The developers gain nothing from announcing the final plans early, because it may affect players decisions to roll new characters on Green 1.0.

[PlsNoBan]

I honestly don't know where people got the idea Green wouldn't be merged into Blue. Until the developers say otherwise, that is the current plan.

If they do change the plan, we won't know about it until Green 1.0 is almost finished. The developers gain nothing from announcing the final plans early, because it may affect players decisions to roll new characters on Green 1.0.

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan. However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

[Grimlust666]

OP comes across as a super jerk and obvious troll. I'd respect the arguments more if they weren't directed with vitriol and malice. It's a game after all... No need to be mad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan. However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

Ah that one. Thanks for the quote! I didn't take that quote seriously at all. The quote doesn't actually say anything. It just says "we can do what we want with our server", which has always been true, even before Green came out.

Of course they will leave the door open to possibilities until the time comes, as they cannot see the future. If there were 4000+ people consistently playing in 2024, then opening a new server could make sense.

But unless the player count significantly changes in the next year or two, I doubt they will change the original plan. Having 3 servers wouldn't make sense with the current numbers.

EDIT: Teal is proof that the developers are not keen on having 3 servers up. If they were, they would have not closed it, or re-opened it at some point.

[DMN]

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:


Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan.

Only a moron woudld "safely" assume that. You may be a moron, but "all" are not.


However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

What do you mean by *now* there is reasonable doubt? rogean said it at the very beginning of the green servers release.

[DMN]

If they do change the plan, .

link me the plan.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

link me the plan.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333743

Green Lifetime
The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023).

That is what they posted when they announced Green. I honestly doubt that plan has changed. The quote PlsNoBan posted doesn't provide any evidence to suggest otherwise. It simply says "we can do what we want with our server", which is always true. I am sure they will consider other options if the server populations are extremely high on both servers in 2024, and this consideration would occur even if they never posted that quote PlsNoBan mentioned. However, based on the current numbers we are seeing, I don't see any need to change the original plan. There just aren't enough players right now for 3 servers to work.

[Allishia]

I'm excited for the merge, curious how the raid scene will work, if new guilds will form or merge or if 3-4 guilds will all compete. Should be fun either way /nod

[PlsNoBan]

What do you mean by *now* there is reasonable doubt? rogean said it at the very beginning of the green servers release.

The whole "recycle server" idea was pitched by staff long before Green ever came to fruition and it was pitched as a server that would start fresh at classic and progress to end of the standard P99 timeline then merge with blue and restart fresh again. It was then reiterated around launch time by Nilbog on 9/13/2019:

The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)

A month later 10/21/2019 Rogean said the previously mentioned quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

The important part being "we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers". This was the first time the idea of leaving green running and starting additional servers was mentioned since the first mention of "Recycle99" like a year+? before green launched. My hunch is that Rogean said this due to the massive influx of people playing green at launch (thus creating the Teal server as temporary overflow) and he might have been thinking the influx of players would sustain blue/green + another recycle server. However as of right now I think most people would agree that there isn't enough of a sustained playerbase here to support 3 healthy servers. P99 is at it's best when the avg player count is somewhere between 800 and 1400 or so. As it stands with the size of the community here 3 servers would result in sub 500 players per server which is bad.

There very likely will be a significant bump in players when/if green 2.0 or whatever they call the new server launches but as everyone knows that number tends to drop pretty aggressively once the initial hype dies off. I've been an on again off again P99 player since early 2010 and from my experience the size of the playerbase here hasn't changed significantly in 10+ years. It ebbs and flows slightly but mostly hovers in the neighborhood of 1000-1500 online at peak times and I don't see any reason why that would change. That being the case I can't see 3 servers being a good idea unless somehow the population increases by a good amount.

[Alarria]

I hope they merge Green with Blue. More people to play with! Gear I have on Green, or on blue I can use between my characters! Sounds like a good idea

[cd288]

My hunch is that Rogean said this due to the massive influx of people playing green at launch (thus creating the Teal server as temporary overflow) and he might have been thinking the influx of players would sustain blue/green + another recycle server. However as of right now I think most people would agree that there isn't enough of a sustained playerbase here to support 3 healthy servers. P99 is at it's best when the avg player count is somewhere between 800 and 1400 or so. As it stands with the size of the community here 3 servers would result in sub 500 players per server which is bad.

This is likely what prompted it if I had to bet. We simply don’t have the population for three servers now.

Also wouldn’t be surprised if they made that statement just to get people to stop DMing them whining about it.

[cd288]

I hope they merge Green with Blue. More people to play with! Gear I have on Green, or on blue I can use between my characters! Sounds like a good idea

I agree! Would be awesome to go back to the glory days when we had one really populated server instead of two unpopulated/semi populated servers

[Danth]

I'll offer an alternate opinion: I don't much care whether or not servers merge or remain separate. In either case much gobbling will likely ensue, but it won't be from me.

Danth

[Zoolander]

if blue is considered a beta server, why isnt it named p99 beta server by now?

[ya.dingus]

OP comes across as a super jerk and obvious troll. I'd respect the arguments more if they weren't directed with vitriol and malice. It's a game after all... No need to be mad.

So what you're saying is that you're swayed more by emotion than you are by the actual merit of the conversation.

What left is there to do but mock such a perspective?

Thomas Jefferson still being right.

[ya.dingus]

I agree! Would be awesome to go back to the glory days when we had one really populated server instead of two unpopulated/semi populated servers

And now they're just directly coming out and saying it.

I told you I was right all along. Feel free to hate on me if you want, but I called it all along.

It's the same group of blues brigading posts because of the following reasons, which I've already mentioned.

- They want the Legacy loot
- They're scared blue will be deprecated and to prevent this want the pop back on blue
- They're scared the blue raiding scene is dying and want to maintain their sway
- They want to save their character progression, so merging players who dont want to be on blue ruleset is fine by them, even though blue is a minority. Your time doesnt matter so long as their experience is preserved.

You want to know why I'm so condescending towards these people? It's because I just cant stand deceitful worms like them.


Read the whole thread, and you'll see them deny the accusations about their ulterior motives at first, and then start outright admitting them.

Why would anyone want to go back to blue when the population is filled with degenerates like this?

[Ghost of Starman]

I've never heard of a beta server that has more features and a better QoL(target cycling, pet windows, 10 hotkeys) than the suppose "finalized" server, sounds to me like you have which server is beta backwards.

[ya.dingus]

I've never heard of a beta server that has more features and a better QoL(target cycling, pet windows, 10 hotkeys) than the suppose "finalized" server, sounds to me like you have which server is beta backwards.

because those features arent classic. Green is the most classic version of EQ we have available on the project.

None of those features existed on the timeline.

Blue was the testing grounds for a lot of things, and so everything from loot to progression to raid scene is super janky and bad.

Only people pushing for merges to blue are the ones that have invested YEARS into their characters there and dont want them to become obsolete.

[ya.dingus]

if blue is considered a beta server, why isnt it named p99 beta server by now?

Don't know, why dont you peruse the wiki and then address your question to Rogean.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

Blue (and Red) Post-Green
Although Blue's original purpose was to sever as a "Beta" server for Green, after Green's release the Blue (and Red?) will continue running, at the current (just before Luclin) point in the timeline. "Classically inspired" custom content may be added in the future.

[cd288]

And now they're just directly coming out and saying it.

I told you I was right all along. Feel free to hate on me if you want, but I called it all along.

It's the same group of blues brigading posts because of the following reasons, which I've already mentioned.

- They want the Legacy loot
- They're scared blue will be deprecated and to prevent this want the pop back on blue
- They're scared the blue raiding scene is dying and want to maintain their sway
- They want to save their character progression, so merging players who dont want to be on blue ruleset is fine by them, even though blue is a minority. Your time doesnt matter so long as their experience is preserved.

You want to know why I'm so condescending towards these people? It's because I just cant stand deceitful worms like them.


Read the whole thread, and you'll see them deny the accusations about their ulterior motives at first, and then start outright admitting them.

Why would anyone want to go back to blue when the population is filled with degenerates like this?

I play both servers regularly and enjoy both of them equally! EQ is just better with more people and they’re both at the same point in their timelines at this point, so I think when we merge it will be even more fun than playing on both as I do now!

[PlsNoBan]

- They want the Legacy loot
- They're scared blue will be deprecated and to prevent this want the pop back on blue
- They're scared the blue raiding scene is dying and want to maintain their sway
- They want to save their character progression, so merging players who dont want to be on blue ruleset is fine by them, even though blue is a minority. Your time doesnt matter so long as their experience is preserved.

You want to know why I'm so condescending towards these people? It's because I just cant stand deceitful worms like them.


Read the whole thread, and you'll see them deny the accusations about their ulterior motives at first, and then start outright admitting them.

Why would anyone want to go back to blue when the population is filled with degenerates like this?

- They want a healthy amount of players on whichever server they decide to play on and there aren't enough people interested in any flavor of P99 to support 3 well populated servers. Why the fuck is this so hard for you? Let's address each of these dumbass points (again)

1: Don't care about loot on any server
2: Don't care about blue (or green)
3: Don't care about blue raid scene (see my RNF posts making fun of it constantly)
4: Don't care about my blue characters/progression (have repeatedly said I'd prefer blue be wiped)

Literally every one of your talking points is stupid and doesn't apply to me and very likely doesn't apply to most people disagreeing with you. It's a cute strawman you're arguing with but give it a rest.

[ya.dingus]

- They want a healthy amount of players on whichever server they decide to play on and there aren't enough people interested in any flavor of P99 to support 3 well populated servers. Why the fuck is this so hard for you? Let's address each of these dumbass points (again)

1: Don't care about loot on any server
2: Don't care about blue (or green)
3: Don't care about blue raid scene (see my RNF posts making fun of it constantly)
4: Don't care about my blue characters/progression (have repeatedly said I'd prefer blue be wiped)

Literally every one of your talking points is stupid and doesn't apply to me and very likely doesn't apply to most people disagreeing with you. It's a cute strawman you're arguing with but give it a rest.


First off, server pop is absolutley fine. Maybe not on blue, because you guys live in a beta hell hole of your own design, but green is just fine.

Why would anyone knowing the history of blue, having the option of green, ever want to go back?

That's not really a question, it's more of a statement, because the answer is obvious, no one would.

Again, blue is a victim of its own design and trying to force people back because yalls 13 year old pixels are stagnating is your own fault.

Thanks no thanks. I'll take a clean server with a good environment over that blue beta bucks server any day of the week.

And a lot of other people will too.

But hey, if you want a healthy pop so bad, quit your blue characters and join green.

It's literally as simple as that. You just don't want to.

Expecting green players to give up their good environment to be drawn into that suck hole of a server really speaks volumes to both the selfishness of your character, and the nosnense of your argument. It's something you'll say they should do, but arent willing to do yourself. If "mUh PoPuLaTiOnS" was such a big deal to you, you'd just join green. You want your cake and want to eat it too, and everyone else be damned.

"i DoNt PlAy EiThEr": Then why do you care where characters get merged? You dont play on blue, right?

"bUt My PoPuLaTiOnS.": You can always play on green, or green 2.0. Again, nobody wants to move their fresh wholesome green server characters to your server.

"nOtHiNg Is WrOnG wItH bLuE": Numbers speak for themselves, you can't argue math.

This thread is over, and while your emotional stuntedness will prevent you from seeing how wrong you are, you blue berries can keep brigading. I welcome it, just makes ya'll look more ridiculous.

[DMN]

The population count might even be bit too high on green as it gets longer in tooth. People will continually filter into the higher level areas as time goes on so there will be less and less elbow room found there.

You sure the hell arent going to want 1k players all playing level 58-60 toons with nothing to do but elf lawyer every single camp in the game.

[Keza]

Despite being drunk - as usual - when I'm on this forum, this thread obviously screams of either trolling or an inability to assilimate with normal humans.

OP often using the terms 'minority/majority' is a major tell. Redditors love those words. People who say this don't necessarily lack a real argument, but lack the ability to make it. The mindless majority and the vocal minority. One is correct because they agree and the other is bad because they disagree. So the story goes. It means nothing. Blanket statements aimed at no one with everything depending on subjection.

I agree with OP in regards to how they regard Blue - a fucked up beta full of pixel-obsessed nostalgia farmers - but if you want Green to be some perpetual existence then I have to disagree with your brain. If Green exists forever it's hardly different from Blue.

[PlsNoBan]

The population count might even be bit too high on green as it gets longer in tooth. People will continually filter into the higher level areas as time goes on so there will be less and less elbow room found there.

You sure the hell arent going to want 1k players all playing level 58-60 toons with nothing to do but elf lawyer every single camp in the game.

You haven't been around very long have ya? Or maybe just a short term memory? Blue had 1000+ active players for like a decade and it was fine. Many would argue it was better. Less empty zones and people didn't stick to just 1 or 2 zones per level bracket quite as much as they do now. Getting groups was easier. Green has a decent population. I'd argue its on the medium/low end of the ideal number but it's fine. Blue is a touch low. The gap between blue and green is exaggerated by some folks around here lol. As of this post there is less than 100 player difference between blue and green. Adding a 3rd server will put all 3 in a shitty spot. OR everyone flocks to green 2.0 and blue/green 1.0 are super low. Either way is not good and makes no sense.

[PlsNoBan]

First off, server pop is absolutley fine.

It's "fine" now. Many (myself included) would argue somewhere in the 1000-1300 player count was better but ~800ish is decent. Wanna know what's not going to be fine? When each server has less than 500 cause you think having the same 1500ish people split to 3 servers instead of 2 is somehow a good idea. Or maybe you're just delusional and think P99's overall playerbase is going to drastically expand out of nowhere after 13 years? I'm struggling to understand your broken thought process.

Why would anyone knowing the history of blue, having the option of green, ever want to go back?

That's not really a question, it's more of a statement, because the answer is obvious, no one would.

Again, blue is a victim of its own design and trying to force people back because yalls 13 year old pixels are stagnating is your own fault.

Thanks no thanks. I'll take a clean server with a good environment over that blue beta bucks server any day of the week.

And a lot of other people will too.

But hey, if you want a healthy pop so bad, quit your blue characters and join green.

Do you really not understand that green is going to end up being nearly exactly identical to blue if it's allowed to continue running forever independently? The entire point of green (once called the "Recycle" server) is that it resets over and over at end of timeline. The concept is very similar to diablo seasons and whatnot. At the end of the season your shit gets dumped into the main server and the new season starts fresh.

Expecting green players to give up their good environment to be drawn into that suck hole of a server really speaks volumes to both the selfishness of your character, and the nosnense of your argument. It's something you'll say they should do, but arent willing to do yourself. If "mUh PoPuLaTiOnS" was such a big deal to you, you'd just join green. You want your cake and want to eat it too, and everyone else be damned.

The "good environment" of green is already well on it's way to the mudflation levels of blue. It will inevitably reach almost exactly the same position if it continues running without resets. You're basically asking for green to become blue 2.0 without even realizing it. Speaking of selfishness. Who's selfish idea is it to split ~1500 players into 3 servers instead of 2 so they can keep playing on blue 2.0 to the detriment of the entire P99 project?


"i DoNt PlAy EiThEr": Then why do you care where characters get merged? You dont play on blue, right?

"bUt My PoPuLaTiOnS.": You can always play on green, or green 2.0. Again, nobody wants to move their fresh wholesome green server characters to your server.

"nOtHiNg Is WrOnG wItH bLuE": Numbers speak for themselves, you can't argue math.

1: I care because I don't want 3 servers with < 500 players. I want 2 with 750-800 or more. Unlike some of us I don't have selfish motives. I want what's best for the project and the health of all servers going forward.

2: LOL @ fresh wholesome. Can't wait for the end of Green 2.0 when some idiot wants their fresh and wholesome chars to stay on an independent server permanently before Green 3.0

3: You're right you can't argue math. Green has 600 ppl on right now and Blue has 500. Wooo boy. Astronomical difference there. Blue is practically dead huh?

[Fammaden]

Blue is the best P99 server in history. Green players should feel humbled and honored to have an opportunity to join it one day.

[cd288]

Despite being drunk - as usual - when I'm on this forum, this thread obviously screams of either trolling or an inability to assilimate with normal humans.

OP often using the terms 'minority/majority' is a major tell. Redditors love those words. People who say this don't necessarily lack a real argument, but lack the ability to make it. The mindless majority and the vocal minority. One is correct because they agree and the other is bad because they disagree. So the story goes. It means nothing. Blanket statements aimed at no one with everything depending on subjection.

I agree with OP in regards to how they regard Blue - a fucked up beta full of pixel-obsessed nostalgia farmers - but if you want Green to be some perpetual existence then I have to disagree with your brain. If Green exists forever it's hardly different from Blue.

Yeah I mean the fact of the matter is having three servers for PvE that all go to Velious just isn't viable with the current population. We'll end up with like a couple hundred each on Blue and Green 1.0, and then like 700 on Green 2.0 (700 is doable, but not great, until you hit the first expansion). If we had the population I would more than support keeping three servers open; I enjoy playing on both Green and Blue currently, but both are very underpopulated and top heavy and could use more people...I wish we had enough for three servers but we don't, we don't even have enough for two lol, but I'd rather have two somewhat underpopulated servers than 3 very underpopulated servers (this is a social game; as you said OP seems to have mental issues that prevent assimilation with normal humans so he probably just solos by himself the whole time and that's why he doesn't care about server population).

OP is obsessed with the idea that his accomplishments on Green mean something...they don't and neither do mine. But even if in his deluded mind he thinks they do, what he doesn't realize is keeping three PvE servers open would lead to no one even caring about Green 1.0 at all...it will just be the dead original version of Green 2.0. Merge the servers, have a period of healthy pop on one server for awhile, and then create Green 2.0.

[Toxigen]

consider blue

[cd288]

The "good environment" of green is already well on it's way to the mudflation levels of blue. It will inevitably reach almost exactly the same position if it continues running without resets. You're basically asking for green to become blue 2.0 without even realizing it. Speaking of selfishness. Who's selfish idea is it to split ~1500 players into 3 servers instead of 2 so they can keep playing on blue 2.0 to the detriment of the entire P99 project?

This is the critical point. Fact of the matter is Green is becoming more mudflated by the month. I can't even count the people I know on Green who have hundreds of thousands of plat on their chars for example. Is it as mudflated as Blue currently? No, of course not, but it's not a huge distance behind. I've noticed it in the tunnel on Green over the past 6 months...prices are creeping toward Blue levels and the amount of plat in circulation is only increasing massively by the week because classic EQ didn't have planned plat sinks because MMOs (and the lessons learned) didn't widely exist yet.

And we're not talking about merging Green and Blue tomorrow. If someone wanted to say "the merge would negatively affect Green's economy if we merged in the next 6 months" maybe I could see an argument for that. But IIRC we're not going to be at the end of the patch timeline for Green until like this fall right? And then I would imagine there's gonna be several months of Green's life post-final patch. And then the merge will happen. So that's probably like a year from now and by then Green is gonna be completely mudflated worse than it already is.

OP won't acknowledge that because he doesn't actually care about the economy, or server population/health, or anything. He has acquired certain pixels and completed certain accomplishments on Green that are integral to who he is as a person (because he's too addicted to this game) and he is petrified of what he sees as a diminishment of those accomplishments should the server merge...which frankly is just really stupid.

[Fammaden]

And we're not talking about merging Green and Blue tomorrow. If someone wanted to say "the merge would negatively affect Green's economy if we merged in the next 6 months" maybe I could see an argument for that. But IIRC we're not going to be at the end of the patch timeline for Green until like this fall right?

The patch timeline is over as of this month's update. The total timeline ends in July, that's when Luclin would have released. So green is basically done right now.

[cd288]

The patch timeline is over as of this month's update. The total timeline ends in July, that's when Luclin would have released. So green is basically done right now.

Ah got it. So then maybe it will be like first few months of 2023 for a merge. Exciting!

[cannobeers3]

Despite being drunk - as usual - when I'm on this forum, this thread obviously screams of either trolling or an inability to assilimate with normal humans.

OP often using the terms 'minority/majority' is a major tell. Redditors love those words. People who say this don't necessarily lack a real argument, but lack the ability to make it. The mindless majority and the vocal minority. One is correct because they agree and the other is bad because they disagree. So the story goes. It means nothing. Blanket statements aimed at no one with everything depending on subjection.

I agree with OP in regards to how they regard Blue - a fucked up beta full of pixel-obsessed nostalgia farmers - but if you want Green to be some perpetual existence then I have to disagree with your brain. If Green exists forever it's hardly different from Blue.

Correct. There are a good number of reddit people here, as well as those from sticky sweaty places such as 4chan. A lot of tells indeed! Sprinkle in some confirmation bias and oddball theories and here we are.

[ya.dingus]

Correct. There are a good number of reddit people here, as well as those from sticky sweaty places such as 4chan. A lot of tells indeed! Sprinkle in some confirmation bias and oddball theories and here we are.

Reddit is a cess pool always has been and always will be.

I personally enjoy the people who think they're above it all, and post unironically thinking they arent. those are the best ones.

[ya.dingus]

Do you really not understand that green is going to end up being nearly exactly identical to blue if it's allowed to continue running forever independently?



Green can never end up being exactly as blue. Not in 10 years from now, not in 100 years from now.

Blue is ruined from its history, not it's pixels, it's history. And the fact you keep focusing on your pixels blinds you to the fact that it's a beta cess pool.

[Mantis187]

green is going to eventually be the same thing as blue was is it not? hardcore raiders and pixels? doesnt matter what sever its on it all leads to the same thing regardless people who have more time than others or am i missing something. I only got a level 30 bard on green but it was a good time regardless.

[PlsNoBan]

green is going to eventually be the same thing as blue was is it not? hardcore raiders and pixels? doesnt matter what sever its on it all leads to the same thing regardless people who have more time than others or am i missing something. I only got a level 30 bard on green but it was a good time regardless.

If a merge doesn't happen and green is left to run independently forever it will absolutely become like 99% the same as blue. Might as well call it blue 2.0 honestly if that's the plan. This mentally ill fella on the 1 month old troll account is DRASTICALLY overstating the differences and focusing on dumb shit like chardok AE and a history of GM corruption/scandals that occurred over the years on blue. While simultaneously thinking it's impossible that green will experience a GM scandal ever.

Basically all his arguments are terrible and make no sense and don't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

[Mantis187]

If a merge doesn't happen and green is left to run independently forever it will absolutely become like 99% the same as blue. Might as well call it blue 2.0 honestly if that's the plan. This mentally ill fella on the 1 month old troll account is DRASTICALLY overstating the differences and focusing on dumb shit like chardok AE and a history of GM corruption/scandals that occurred over the years on blue. While simultaneously thinking it's impossible that green will experience a GM scandal ever.

Basically all his arguments are terrible and make no sense and don't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Totally agree, now dont get me wrong green is a great place to get groups for lower levels but the 50+ scene deff blue. Still got alot of friends over there that play. Either way I have a blast on both servers and like having the option (b '')b

[ya.dingus]

green is going to eventually be the same thing as blue was is it not? hardcore raiders and pixels? doesnt matter what sever its on it all leads to the same thing regardless people who have more time than others or am i missing something. I only got a level 30 bard on green but it was a good time regardless.

That's not what caused the difference on blue.

Blue was a mess of beta buggy stuff that other posters are unwilling to admit.

It's a combination of non-classic mechanics, major exploits that existed years, not days, and the remnants of a clique community that exists there that want to preserve their pixels community be damned.

Green cannot become blue unless you mirrored the same long history of exploits and massive rule changes through multiple years. It's just not possible to have the same environment.

Honestly -- wipe blue. Wipe.It.Clean.

So long as a part of community is stuck on blue ,they're going to want to dictate the parts of the project from moving forward that were always intended to move forward.


The final wipe is what's needed to bring us all back to a sum zero and start the project over clean and cohesive again.

[Fammaden]

P99 blue is the greatest emulator in the history of video gaming, I would like to congratulate all green players on this rare opportunity to enjoy a part of Everquest history.

[Allishia]

That's not what caused the difference on blue.

Blue was a mess of beta buggy stuff that other posters are unwilling to admit.

It's a combination of non-classic mechanics, major exploits that existed years, not days, and the remnants of a clique community that exists there that want to preserve their pixels community be damned.

Green cannot become blue unless you mirrored the same long history of exploits and massive rule changes through multiple years. It's just not possible to have the same environment.

Honestly -- wipe blue. Wipe.It.Clean.

So long as a part of community is stuck on blue ,they're going to want to dictate the parts of the project from moving forward that were always intended to move forward.


The final wipe is what's needed to bring us all back to a sum zero and start the project over clean and cohesive again.

Lol the exploits and things you talk of are way over. All those people got banned, and did you not see the massive rmt bans? There's tons of threads, all that duped plat is on banned accounts.

But at least it's nice to see you admitting what you really want, sorry you came to the party late but expecting them to delete everyone who was here before you is nuts /nod

[DMN]

The final wipe is what's needed to bring us all back to a sum zero and start the project over clean and cohesive again.

so are you just outing yourself here that this was a joke thread? bluebies cried many-a-tear because of a handful of classic changes were made to the server -- and they were revrerted. But they are gonna just blow the whole thing up, huh?

[DMN]

You haven't been around very long have ya?
Or maybe just a short term memory? Blue had 1000+ active players for like a decade and it was fine.

we talking about the same blue? the one that daily had non-stop flame wars in RNF about alleged ill-gotten pixels? The one that got raid mobs rooted? if anything green saved blue by letting off a bit of its steam before it completely imploded.

[cd288]

Lol the exploits and things you talk of are way over. All those people got banned, and did you not see the massive rmt bans? There's tons of threads, all that duped plat is on banned accounts.

But at least it's nice to see you admitting what you really want, sorry you came to the party late but expecting them to delete everyone who was here before you is nuts /nod

Yeah that's a fair point. All of that is actually not on Blue at all anymore cause all of those people were banned eliminating their plat from the system.

However, if they decided to wipe Blue and merge with Green that's their prerogative. I think it would be dumb but it's their call; as long as the servers merge ultimately I would be fine with however they chose to do it.

[cd288]

The final wipe is what's needed to bring us all back to a sum zero and start the project over clean and cohesive again.

I have a serious question for you that I'm curious about actually.

If when they start Green 2.0 would you be okay if they just deleted Blue and Green 1.0? Like just got rid of them altogether and started a brand new fresh P99 PvE server.

[Chortles Snortles]

muhhhh exploit/duped/trivialized bugged blue loot!!!!!
(lol)

[ya.dingus]

I have a serious question for you that I'm curious about actually.

If when they start Green 2.0 would you be okay if they just deleted Blue and Green 1.0? Like just got rid of them altogether and started a brand new fresh P99 PvE server.

It would piss off a huge part of the playerbase sure.

Do I think if players stuck around and it was the final and only wipe they did of the community's characters overall to bring us to a completely neutral state...

Then yeah, I think that might actually be a solution to wipe both green and blue. Dont know if that's the best solution, but it would get rid of all the wonky shit from blue, reset everything to neutral, and setup the project to successfully move forward with how it was intended. They could recycle blue into green all they wanted at that point, we'd be in the live stage and no longer dealing with artifacts from beta.

So yeah, maybe they go all Moses on it in the interest of fairness and with the advantage of experience and hindsight from the last 13 years of project management.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It would piss off a huge part of the playerbase sure.

Do I think if players stuck around and it was the final and only wipe they did of the community's characters overall to bring us to a completely neutral state...

Then yeah, I think that might actually be a solution to wipe both green and blue. Dont know if that's the best solution, but it would get rid of all the wonky shit from blue, reset everything to neutral, and setup the project to successfully move forward with how it was intended. They could recycle blue into green all they wanted at that point, we'd be in the live stage and no longer dealing with artifacts from beta.

So yeah, maybe they go all Moses on it in the interest of fairness and with the advantage of experience and hindsight from the last 13 years of project management.

Your assumption there is something on Blue that is "wonky shit" is nonsensical. You do know the people who are playing on Green came from Blue, right? There is no real difference between playing the two servers now since the timeline is caught up. And if you want to complain about specific guilds, that is not a server issue, that is an issue with the people in said guilds. They would act the same if their entire guild was suddenly teleported to the other server.

[cd288]

It would piss off a huge part of the playerbase sure.

Do I think if players stuck around and it was the final and only wipe they did of the community's characters overall to bring us to a completely neutral state...

Then yeah, I think that might actually be a solution to wipe both green and blue. Dont know if that's the best solution, but it would get rid of all the wonky shit from blue, reset everything to neutral, and setup the project to successfully move forward with how it was intended. They could recycle blue into green all they wanted at that point, we'd be in the live stage and no longer dealing with artifacts from beta.

So yeah, maybe they go all Moses on it in the interest of fairness and with the advantage of experience and hindsight from the last 13 years of project management.

While I don't agree that anything on Blue is wonky anymore because all of the people who exploited plat duping are banned which eliminated all their plat from the economy, I will at least respect that you're willing to wipe everything and start Green 2.0 fresh.

[Toxigen]

green is already blue 2.0 (no warders) minus some really stupid qol shit

do you spergs actually enjoy re-doing your hotbuttons every time you zone? like really?

merge em and fire up green round 2

[greenspectre]

Your assumption there is something on Blue that is "wonky shit" is nonsensical. You do know the people who are playing on Green came from Blue, right? There is no real difference between playing the two servers now since the timeline is caught up. And if you want to complain about specific guilds, that is not a server issue, that is an issue with the people in said guilds. They would act the same if their entire guild was suddenly teleported to the other server.

SIR! The timeline is not caught up yet, as my https://wiki.project1999.com/Spirit_Talker%27s_War_Lance is still a 19/30! The final patch fixes it :P THESE ARE SERIOUS CHANGES PEOPLE!

[Allishia]

SIR! The timeline is not caught up yet, as my https://wiki.project1999.com/Spirit_Talker%27s_War_Lance is still a 19/30! The final patch fixes it :P THESE ARE SERIOUS CHANGES PEOPLE!

Lmao :p

[cd288]

Your assumption there is something on Blue that is "wonky shit" is nonsensical. You do know the people who are playing on Green came from Blue, right? There is no real difference between playing the two servers now since the timeline is caught up. And if you want to complain about specific guilds, that is not a server issue, that is an issue with the people in said guilds. They would act the same if their entire guild was suddenly teleported to the other server.

Re: guilds, if someone is complaining about certain people in the top raid guild on Blue then they should probably realize that those same people are part of the top raid guild on Green too lol.

[Allishia]

Re: guilds, if someone is complaining about certain people in the top raid guild on Blue then they should probably realize that those same people are part of the top raid guild on Green too lol.

Yes lot of people raid on both blue and green. I was in seal team on green pre kunark and had planned to raid also but I just didn't have the time to commit to raiding on two servers lol.

So ya also remember lot of the population on green is also playing blue at the same time /nod

[PlsNoBan]

https://i.imgur.com/elmo9pj.png

Just another day with < 100 player difference between blue and green. Blue confirmed dead. Join "fresh and wholesome" green today

(lol)

[Ooloo]

Re: guilds, if someone is complaining about certain people in the top raid guild on Blue then they should probably realize that those same people are part of the top raid guild on Green too lol.

Another interesting fact is that many people in scrub guilds on blue are in seal team on green and vice versa. Cause some people do play both servers, but only sort of half-assedly; dedicating most of their attention to one server or the other. Only the absolute smelliest neckbeards are in top raid guilds on both servers, consuming untold amounts of fried food and soda.

[slard271]

Can staff do all of the rest of us a solid and in advance of the timeline go ahead and merge only the dingus into blue so that we can watch the subsequent meltdown? Should spice up the thread even moar. Thx.

[cd288]

https://i.imgur.com/elmo9pj.png

Just another day with < 100 player difference between blue and green. Blue confirmed dead. Join "fresh and wholesome" green today

(lol)

To be fair on like Friday or Saturday at prime time the gap widens by like 3-400 somewhat frequently. But yeah otherwise there’s not a huge difference

[PlsNoBan]

To be fair on like Friday or Saturday at prime time the gap widens by like 3-400 somewhat frequently. But yeah otherwise there’s not a huge difference

9:30pm EST Friday

Blue: 832
Green: 991

https://i.imgur.com/1Ehnp3G.jpg

[Tethler]

Bombed? Why because the same 5 blueberries brigade it?

The thing about post history is funny, you can literally view the post history of the same 5 people, which have been talking about working on that BiS on blue and waiting for legacy loot in green to come to the server.

That's you, Allisha, and the other 3 clowns.

Like I said, the ulterior motive can't be hidden at this point.

Save your shitty echo chambers for reddit. Also get off the green forums, it's apparent none of you play on the server.

I think you must be on drugs if this is the conclusion you came to. Please do look at my post history, because the bullshit you spewed out here is not even close to correct.

1. I have characters on blue, but I don't raid there and haven't raided there in any capacity ever, so no, I'm not working on BiS on blue.

2. The only legacy item I have on green is a guise on my ranger, which being a nodrop cosmetic item has no value except to me.

3. The characters that I am primarily active on are my green characters, though I do log on blue 2-3 times a month if I want to scratch the itch from one of the classes I don't have on green, so no, I won't get off the green forums.

The only thing I personally gain from the merge is having my characters all in one place, which gives me flexibility on what class I can play for whatever it is I want to do on a given day. I didn't farm up stuff on green with intent of selling post-merge like some people likely did. I'm an altaholic with limited in-game assets and my total available plat + items to sell between both green and blue combined is likely less than 10k. Any other broad brushes you want to fail to paint me with?

You come in here throwing around your opinion that nobody agrees with acting like you speak for some silent majority of people. Embarrassing, really. Stop now while you're behind.

[Natewest1987]

Kind of late to the argument here,but I’m in the population that started green because I liked the idea of a recycling server. It makes zero sense to maintain green and blue at the same time while they’re offering the same content. I dipped out of green shortly after the merge with teal, because player conduct was much worse in the other pool ( green,!teal we’re basically saints comparatively ) and was allowed to fester. So I’ve been waiting for like the last two years for the promised green 2.0.

I really don’t care how they make it work, but I have to imagine there are others like me just waiting on a refresh, so until then you’ll all be stuck bickering amongst a pool of people that just shrinks and only the worst remain.

[cd288]

Kind of late to the argument here,but I’m in the population that started green because I liked the idea of a recycling server. It makes zero sense to maintain green and blue at the same time while they’re offering the same content. I dipped out of green shortly after the merge with teal, because player conduct was much worse in the other pool ( green,!teal we’re basically saints comparatively ) and was allowed to fester. So I’ve been waiting for like the last two years for the promised green 2.0.

I really don’t care how they make it work, but I have to imagine there are others like me just waiting on a refresh, so until then you’ll all be stuck bickering amongst a pool of people that just shrinks and only the worst remain.

I mean I hate to break it to you but if your deciding factor is whether or not there are some bad instances of player conduct you’re not going to enjoy green 2.0 either.

Just learn to ignore it and move on and you’ll be fine

[Natewest1987]

I mean I hate to break it to you but if your deciding factor is whether or not there are some bad instances of player conduct you’re not going to enjoy green 2.0 either.

Just learn to ignore it and move on and you’ll be fine

I wouldn’t say it’s a deciding factor that influences what I think they should do with the server. I think they should still proceed with green 2.0 because it was the intended outcome that everybody signed on for when they participated in green.

Also I fully expect it to be a shit show. I actually thought the race in the beginning was a lot of fun and I would be fine with not doing a split server like teal plus green. By the time teal remixed with green the cultures were just very different. A lot of my in game friends just stopped playing due to it.

[Malikail]

I wouldn’t say it’s a deciding factor that influences what I think they should do with the server. I think they should still proceed with green 2.0 because it was the intended outcome that everybody signed on for when they participated in green.

Also I fully expect it to be a shit show. I actually thought the race in the beginning was a lot of fun and I would be fine with not doing a split server like teal plus green. By the time teal remixed with green the cultures were just very different. A lot of my in game friends just stopped playing due to it.

Here's what you don't get, and it will explain why i'd quit immediately and completely if they merge them today: Both blue and green are operating at near full capacity. 1600-2k players on a server would be an absolute nightmare. Totally unplayable and unenjoyable.

[PlsNoBan]

Both blue and green are operating at near full capacity

No they aren't. Blue had 1400ish (sometimes more) players at peak hours for a very very long time and it was fine. Some would argue better cause way less zones were empty and groups were easier to come by. Also it's kind of assumed that a merge would be either immediately or very shortly after followed by the launch of green 2.0 so it's not as simple as you're implying.

[g7s]

I will add besides all the cons to old beta blue discussed to near infinity the fact that our character names on old blue are "reserved" on new greens is a real pita.
How many people thought for a second the account they created 10 years ago to help test a wip/beta pipe dream of a server would prevent them from using their character names a decade later on their dream come true server(and thanks for all that work).

Makes me wonder just how many characters are sitting on blue unintentionally reserving names for eternity yet never to be played ever again due to discarded/lost account info.
It's definitely thousands.

Imho if we can't pull off the blue band-aid then the idea of just making it a fully separate entity would solve most problems. Transition Green into a New Blue(or whatever color) when a fresh Green starts. Then merge when the time comes. Rinse repeat.
Makes so much more sense and I don't understand the resistance.

[ya.dingus]

Blueberries trying insanely hard to push for a merge despite not being popular on green.

<Green players raise multi faceted solid justifications for not merging with blue>

Blueberries: "NuH iT NoT IsSuE. It FiNe. MeRgE wItH uS."

So here's the deal then......

If you want a merge, there's gotta be a multi server purge.

If you wanna merge, you gotta purge should be the motto.

Multi server 1 time purge > merge.

It's the only solution.

[PlsNoBan]

Blueberries trying insanely hard to push for a merge despite not being popular on green.

<Green players raise multi faceted solid justifications for not merging with blue>

Blueberries: "NuH iT NoT IsSuE. It FiNe. MeRgE wItH uS."

So here's the deal then......

If you want a merge, there's gotta be a multi server purge.

If you wanna merge, you gotta purge should be the motto.

Multi server 1 time purge > merge.

It's the only solution.

https://i.imgur.com/BHvBySG.gif

[Tethler]

Blueberries trying insanely hard to push for a merge despite not being popular on green.

<Green players raise multi faceted solid justifications for not merging with blue>

Blueberries: "NuH iT NoT IsSuE. It FiNe. MeRgE wItH uS."

So here's the deal then......

If you want a merge, there's gotta be a multi server purge.

If you wanna merge, you gotta purge should be the motto.

Multi server 1 time purge > merge.

It's the only solution.

Literally nothing said in this thread matters. Not my opinion, or yours, or anyone elses. Rogean/Nilbog are just gonna do what they want to do. We can talk circles around each other for 100 pages, but none of it matters. Someone is always gonna be mad no matter what happens.

[Malikail]

No they aren't. Blue had 1400ish (sometimes more) players at peak hours for a very very long time and it was fine. Some would argue better cause way less zones were empty and groups were easier to come by. Also it's kind of assumed that a merge would be either immediately or very shortly after followed by the launch of green 2.0 so it's not as simple as you're implying.

That ain't fine, but clearly we have different tastes. Most that were on blue in my 6+ years was about the 1200s peak time. I have no desire to play on a server that over packed, i already can't find an isolated spot to farm anything w/o people wanting me to share spawns or make a group.

[ya.dingus]

https://i.imgur.com/BHvBySG.gif

Ad hominem, the last resort of a losing conversation.

What's it like to know your blue characters are relegated to a beta server for all eternity, and that chances of a server merge are slim to none - oh master of the unintentional ironic post?

The best part is your gif couldnt be more unintentionally ironic. It's Galafianakis' character who is actually brilliant the whole time and gets them out of a shit situation that his idiot friends got them into.

Funny you used that gif isnt it? Man, that's some questionably low IQ.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fc.tenor.com%2FiKq0McbAqCMAAAAC%2F math-zach-galifianakis.gif&f=1&nofb=1

[Tethler]

chances of a server merge are slim to none

source pls

[ya.dingus]

source pls

Repeat after me:

"If you want to server merge, then you have to server purge."

[Toxigen]

sorry you dont got permanent green, hope this helps

[Malikail]

sorry you dont got permanent green, hope this helps

Nothing is permanent and I'm going to stick to the last official statement which I don't have verbatim but it's said they're gonna keep both blue and green up for now play it by ear and see what the population looks like and they specifically said they were just as open to adding another server as they were to merging.

Unless 3 or 400 people quit playing green for now based on that statement in the absence of another one the server merger is at best on hold.

I find it amusing that some folks not necessarily you, don't seem to understand that they never thought they'd need teal in the 1st place. I think they vastly underestimated the number of people that weren't playing on blue but came in to play on green.

If you want my long term bet I would be willing to bet more that it won't happen than the servers will be merged in the next 3 years

[PlsNoBan]

You're literally an insane person if you think there's enough people playing here to sustain healthy pops on permanent blue and permanent green and another recycling server. There's always an influx of players on any new server that dies off shortly after. That's what overflow servers are for. You're also insane if you say things like "chances of a server merge are slim to none". For those with brain cells here is a reminder of the official quotes on this topic:

The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Translation: The plan long before green launched was that green would merge to blue and restart. This was announced like a year+ before green launched by staff on one of Sirken's streams. This plan was reiterated by Nilbog when green launched. Rogean later made a vague comment about how they haven't made a final decision. Some idiot with a troll account called Dingus decided this means "chances of a server merge are slim to none". Then he wonders why people resort to memes in response to his ludicrous nonsense. You can't make this stuff up.

[PlsNoBan]

https://i.imgur.com/f8BKM9I.png

Careful who you get your "facts" from. Credible sources don't have accounts made a couple weeks ago with troll-y sounding names.

[Malikail]

You're literally an insane person if you think there's enough people playing here to sustain healthy pops on permanent blue and permanent green and another recycling server. There's always an influx of players on any new server that dies off shortly after. That's what overflow servers are for. You're also insane if you say things like "chances of a server merge are slim to none". For those with brain cells here is a reminder of the official quotes on this topic:





Translation: The plan long before green launched was that green would merge to blue and restart. This was announced like a year+ before green launched by staff on one of Sirken's streams. This plan was reiterated by Nilbog when green launched. Rogean later made a vague comment about how they haven't made a final decision. Some idiot with a troll account called Dingus decided this means "chances of a server merge are slim to none". Then he wonders why people resort to memes in response to his ludicrous nonsense. You can't make this stuff up.

You're making a good point. Someday I have no doubt they will merge. Like I said I'm only willing to bed against it for the next 3 years. Eventually I have no doubt the population will go down and it will seem like a good idea.

I have no sympathy and in fact and I'm enjoying laughing and drinking the tears of my former Guild mates on blue who thought they'd hop over farm a mana stone farm beads and get it when the servers merge and are mad that they might not.

I have 0 sympathy for them I am thoroughly enjoying the way they played themselves trying to game the system

[Allishia]

You're making a good point. Someday I have no doubt they will merge. Like I said I'm only willing to bed against it for the next 3 years. Eventually I have no doubt the population will go down and it will seem like a good idea.

I have no sympathy and in fact and I'm enjoying laughing and drinking the tears of my former Guild mates on blue who thought they'd hop over farm a mana stone farm beads and get it when the servers merge and are mad that they might not.

I have 0 sympathy for them I am thoroughly enjoying the way they played themselves trying to game the system

Anyone willing to sit on those crazy list systems for days has already suffered enough lol, beads are nice for monks and necros but that's really only useful legacy item, manastone is meh and guise don't matter if you already play dark elf toons :p

[Chortles Snortles]

yay!!!!!! Muhhhhhhh digital item i earned by click an afk? Pop up every 15 minutes for 168hours str8
(LOL)

[ya.dingus]

You're literally an insane person if you think there's enough people playing here to sustain healthy pops on permanent blue and permanent green and another recycling server. There's always an influx of players on any new server that dies off shortly after. That's what overflow servers are for. You're also insane if you say things like "chances of a server merge are slim to none". For those with brain cells here is a reminder of the official quotes on this topic:





Translation: The plan long before green launched was that green would merge to blue and restart. This was announced like a year+ before green launched by staff on one of Sirken's streams. This plan was reiterated by Nilbog when green launched. Rogean later made a vague comment about how they haven't made a final decision. Some idiot with a troll account called Dingus decided this means "chances of a server merge are slim to none". Then he wonders why people resort to memes in response to his ludicrous nonsense. You can't make this stuff up.

You are 100% deluded. All I hear is the lamenting of your pixels in your arguments instead of credible positions.

[ya.dingus]

Just sounds like the same 5 blueberries butthurt over the fact their server wont be merged.

The jimmies in this thread being rustled are unparalleled. There was overwhelming support of preventing a merge back into blue which is why Rogean deviated from their initial position.

If there wasn't overwhelming opposition to it, he wouldn't have made the comment.

These same 5 people troll the forums looking to shout down any support of preventing green from remerging into blue. They are a cancer on the community and not reflective of the majority of players who play on green's position on the matter.

Their motives are selfish and they want legacy loot like fungi staffs, and prenerf circlets.

Don't be fooled, the only malignant posters in this thread are them.

Here's the wiki by the way, the very same they try to shout down as "oh it's no big deal, Rogean only said it because they were flooded in discord. The populace wants a merge, really!!"

It's all BS.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

[Twochain]

green is ladder

blue is non ladder

green will eventually restart, moving it's ladder characters to non ladder (Blue)

There will be a bit of a break, and then ladder will start again.

hope this helps.

[cd288]

Nothing is permanent and I'm going to stick to the last official statement which I don't have verbatim but it's said they're gonna keep both blue and green up for now play it by ear and see what the population looks like and they specifically said they were just as open to adding another server as they were to merging.

Unless 3 or 400 people quit playing green for now based on that statement in the absence of another one the server merger is at best on hold.

I find it amusing that some folks not necessarily you, don't seem to understand that they never thought they'd need teal in the 1st place. I think they vastly underestimated the number of people that weren't playing on blue but came in to play on green.

If you want my long term bet I would be willing to bet more that it won't happen than the servers will be merged in the next 3 years

Unfortunately the population we had when they made that statement didn’t stay consistent. We reverted back to the total pop we used to have on just one server. I would love if we had the pop for three pve servers but we don’t. Both servers have crappy pop at this point; I have alts on both stagnated in various level ranges because it’s so hit or miss to find groups below level 40 on both servers.

It sucks that we can’t get the amount of people we had at green launch to stick with the server for good, would be awesome to have like 1400 people on each server across three servers. But instead we have like 1400 or so people total. That’s unfortunately not a great number for the ideal EQ experience.

The positive is that at this point there’s no negative to a merge. Green and blue are both mudflated and top heavy

[PlsNoBan]

At this time, we haven't made a final decision

chances of a server merge are slim to none

This is dingus brain

(lol)

[Malikail]

Unfortunately the population we had when they made that statement didn’t stay consistent. We reverted back to the total pop we used to have on just one server. I would love if we had the pop for three pve servers but we don’t. Both servers have crappy pop at this point; I have alts on both stagnated in various level ranges because it’s so hit or miss to find groups below level 40 on both servers.

It sucks that we can’t get the amount of people we had at green launch to stick with the server for good, would be awesome to have like 1400 people on each server across three servers. But instead we have like 1400 or so people total. That’s unfortunately not a great number for the ideal EQ experience.

The positive is that at this point there’s no negative to a merge. Green and blue are both mudflated and top heavy

Please explain to me why you guys want the server so overpopulated that I would quit playing? It's already virtually impossible for me to find a camp worth camping that can keep me entertained. I constantly have people up my butt wanting me to share spawns or make a group. And I mean isolated spots that people don't really go to that much it still happens.

I don't get it I don't understand it. 1400 is way too much.

[PatChapp]

Please explain to me why you guys want the server so overpopulated that I would quit playing? It's already virtually impossible for me to find a camp worth camping that can keep me entertained. I constantly have people up my butt wanting me to share spawns or make a group. And I mean isolated spots that people don't really go to that much it still happens.

I don't get it I don't understand it. 1400 is way too much.
What are you camping that this is an issue? I camp pretty high value stuff a lot,and it's often just open.
You can usually just pop down and take fungi king camp on green. Crypt is often camped but it definitely isn't hard to get.

[PlsNoBan]

Please explain to me why you guys want the server so overpopulated that I would quit playing? It's already virtually impossible for me to find a camp worth camping that can keep me entertained. I constantly have people up my butt wanting me to share spawns or make a group. And I mean isolated spots that people don't really go to that much it still happens.

I don't get it I don't understand it. 1400 is way too much.

Are you new here? Blue had pops that high for literally like 10 years and it was never a major issue. Was there more competition for certain mobs/camps? Sure. But you also spent WAY less time LFG and walking around a half empty world. Dunno about you but it's worth the trade off to me. This is a MMORPG if I wanted to never experience competition and solo all the time I'd be playing a different game (or a custom solo server which do exist)

[ya.dingus]

Are you new here? Blue had pops that high for literally like 10 years and it was never a major issue. Was there more competition for certain mobs/camps? Sure. But you also spent WAY less time LFG and walking around a half empty world. Dunno about you but it's worth the trade off to me. This is a MMORPG if I wanted to never experience competition and solo all the time I'd be playing a different game (or a custom solo server which do exist)

I'll translate it for ya since they wont be honest:

They want your pixels.

They want your population so there's no risk of blue becoming deprecated.

They've slipped in multiple threads, in multiple responses that this was their motive.

Look at their history, you can parse it easily with the filter word search.

They even slipped in this thread.

Everything they do, from character assassination, to dodging counter points, to dismissing counter points, is to achieve one of those two goals.

[ya.dingus]

If it's just all about the pop: Purge then Merge.

Sorry blue is beta, it wasn't meant to last forever.

Thinking that Green Characters (the final project) should be subjected to the rules of the beta server (The beta bucks buggy server) is ass backwards.

Looking forward to seeing ya'll migrate to the new Green 2.0 server when you realize blue is stagnant forever!

[Danth]

... it wasn't meant to last forever.

This is false; the lead admins directly stated on multiple occasions that they would never do a character wipe. That's probably the driving force as to why Red in particular still exists. P99 (called "Blue" only more recently) was intended from the start to remain available more or less permanently, at least until P99 as a whole eventually shuts down. What was then called the recycle server, now called Green, was the one that was always described as following a temporary and finite timeline. They did wipe the original, actual P99 beta; I know because I was there.

Merge or not I don't much care, but I wouldn't tolerate a wipe. I'm not interested in progression servers. P99 as a whole seems to contain several different sub-communities who want different things. For some reason you appear to feel threatened by a potential merger....if they leave you remain separate, that's fine by me. I enjoyed P99 when it was new with ~100 players and I'd enjoy it today with that many. I enjoyed it when it had 2100+. Doesn't affect me overmuch either-or. However if you can only feel validated by the deletion of my near to 13 years of history, then I'd call that unreasonable.

Danth

[PlsNoBan]

If it's just all about the pop: Purge then Merge.

Sorry blue is beta, it wasn't meant to last forever.

Thinking that Green Characters (the final project) should be subjected to the rules of the beta server (The beta bucks buggy server) is ass backwards.

Looking forward to seeing ya'll migrate to the new Green 2.0 server when you realize blue is stagnant forever!

Your terrible catchphrases don't make your asinine points make any more sense. Enough with the blueberry beta buck nonsense. Nobody else speaks dingus. I don't know who the fuck you think you're talking to when you imply that people care about their blue chars/pixels.etc and that's their motivation but I assure you it's not me. It boggles my mind that you keep replying to me with that bullshit. I've literally said like 15 times that I'd prefer blue to be wiped before the merge. I don't think that will happen but I would PREFER that. What WON'T happen is blue and green both running independently forever in addition to a 3rd recycle server. Unless someone can magically draw like ~1000 extra consistent long term players to this project we don't have enough people to sustain that and you know it. You're just blinded by pixel lust and/or an extremely exaggerated view of the differences between blue and green. Green is Blue 2.0 in the making and everyone knows it. It's already like 90% of the way there.

[Malikail]

Are you new here? Blue had pops that high for literally like 10 years and it was never a major issue. Was there more competition for certain mobs/camps? Sure. But you also spent WAY less time LFG and walking around a half empty world. Dunno about you but it's worth the trade off to me. This is a MMORPG if I wanted to never experience competition and solo all the time I'd be playing a different game (or a custom solo server which do exist)

Your memory is completely faulty I played 7 years on blue the population was nowhere near that large most of the time. Maybe at peak time but I was doing some kind of raid that I wouldn't have noticed. Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

The world is half empty because everybody is level 60, you basically want everybody to have to play alts all the time so you have someone to group with in unrest.

This is a sandbox that means anyone can play it anyway they want. I want to be completely self destructive I can make a Warrior and do nothing but solo that's kind of the point.

[cd288]

Your memory is completely faulty I played 7 years on blue the population was nowhere near that large most of the time. Maybe at peak time but I was doing some kind of raid that I wouldn't have noticed. Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

The world is half empty because everybody is level 60, you basically want everybody to have to play alts all the time so you have someone to group with in unrest.

This is a sandbox that means anyone can play it anyway they want. I want to be completely self destructive I can make a Warrior and do nothing but solo that's kind of the point.

? Blue had about 2k people online for several days around the winter holidays in 2018. Regularly had 1400 at other periods in the couple years leading up to green launch

[cd288]

Please explain to me why you guys want the server so overpopulated that I would quit playing? It's already virtually impossible for me to find a camp worth camping that can keep me entertained. I constantly have people up my butt wanting me to share spawns or make a group. And I mean isolated spots that people don't really go to that much it still happens.

I don't get it I don't understand it. 1400 is way too much.

Oh wow now that I think about it I should’ve been basing my opinion solely on whether YOU personally would want to keep playing. The bell is wrong with your brain?

Also sorry you discovered you don’t really like classic EQ that much. Maybe you should play wow with instances. Or a single player game where no one can interact with you since that’s such a problem for you in an MMO

[Danth]

? Blue had about 2k people online for several days around the winter holidays in 2018. Regularly had 1400 at other periods in the couple years leading up to green launch

Think he hinted it's relative to timezone. That does matter. Even at present at peak hours the P99 servers might close in on or exceed 1000 but at off-peak hours they fall to 1/3 that, if not less. That kind of around-the-clock population will factor in to a merger decision as well, just as it did with Teal: A server with 500 people at peak might be fine at that time but be much more problematic at off-peak hours.

[PlsNoBan]

Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

I've played blue off and on since it launched with at least one 3 year long stint and several others ranging from a few months to a year. I saw it over 1200 plenty of times. Was fairly common from memory. But even if I grant you the 1200 number for the sake of argument. Are you arguing that 1400 is unplayable garbage and 1200 is fine? Seems like a weird line to draw imo but you're entitled to that opinion. The point I'm making is the world feels VERY noticeably emptier at 600-800 than it does at 1200+ and we have YEARS of blue sustaining well over 1000 players with no major overpopulation issues. As of 9:30pm EST tonight (roughly primetime) there's 1800 total players on blue/green/red.

Scenario A: Blue/Green merge and Green 2.0 launches. Initial launch hype numbers will inflate as they always do. After the dust settles we'll be back to around the same number as always. This project hasn't drastically grown or shrunk in like 10 years and that's not gonna change anytime soon. Ignoring the mostly empty Red this means we'll be back to about 1800 people at primetime to split between 2 servers. Green 2.0 will probably remain slightly more popular than the newly merged blue/green 1.0 as one would expect. So rough estimate say we get like 1000 on green 2.0 and 750 on blue 50 on red. I think MOST people would agree this is pretty healthy/normal numbers?

Scenario B: Blue and Green remain running independent. Teal/Orange/Burgundy (whichever color recycle is) launches. Initial hype.etc dies off. Still at the same 1400-1800 range primetime that P99 has been at for eons. Blue probably sits around 400-500? Green maybe 500-600? Teal/Orange/Burgundy gets the remaining 500-800? This leaves us ultimately with 3 servers that all have less than ideal pop numbers. The newest server will always have the most and will likely be "fine" but on the low end of what most would consider the ideal population. This also is only factoring in primetime numbers. If you wanna play non primetime splitting people to 3 servers? Good luck

I fail to understand why anyone would prefer scenario B. The only arguments I see in favor of it all boil down to "Muh pixels" and what said pixels will be worth in the pixel economy OR they think blue is too tainted with a history of GM issues/bugs and they're afraid of tainting their "fresh and wholesome" green characters. Both of these reasons are stupid beyond my ability to adequately explain with words.

[ya.dingus]

This is false; the lead admins directly stated on multiple occasions that they would never do a character wipe. That's probably the driving force as to why Red in particular still exists. P99 (called "Blue" only more recently) was intended from the start to remain available more or less permanently, at least until P99 as a whole eventually shuts down. What was then called the recycle server, now called Green, was the one that was always described as following a temporary and finite timeline. They did wipe the original, actual P99 beta; I know because I was there.

Merge or not I don't much care, but I wouldn't tolerate a wipe. I'm not interested in progression servers. P99 as a whole seems to contain several different sub-communities who want different things. For some reason you appear to feel threatened by a potential merger....if they leave you remain separate, that's fine by me. I enjoyed P99 when it was new with ~100 players and I'd enjoy it today with that many. I enjoyed it when it had 2100+. Doesn't affect me overmuch either-or. However if you can only feel validated by the deletion of my near to 13 years of history, then I'd call that unreasonable.

Danth

Not at all, I'm all for merging.

But only after they PUUURRGGEE BABY.

This thread has renewed my vision. Maybe the servers need to merge. But instead of just merging, maybe we PURGE EVERYTHING and start this beautiful project at ground zero.

No history of RMT, no history of duping, no long term server monopolies on loot, raid progression, or history of administrative abuse.

It.will.be.beautiful.

Danth... I just want to be puuuuuurree.




Look at these blueberries Danth, look at what the pixels do to a man. They corrupt him, twist his spirit. His greed is the only thing that remains after a while, and it cloys not just for the pixels in his possession, but the pixels in yours and my possession. It's a sickness Danth, and so long as there is a division between green and blue, there will always be a divisiveness within the playerbase.

Look at them Danth, bombarding the forums in droves, look how it has turned them against their fellow man; these wretches bereft of spirit, their humanity withered away until nothing but the ghastly shade of a man given substance by his greed alone.

Pitiful, wretched, things they be now.

Danth, they need your help. They need you, to wipe the servers Danth.

Once reuinification is achieved, imagine the sever eutopia we could live in. It would be a paradise.

No longer would polluted loot diminish the souls of our fellow man. Destroy the sickness, save the man Danth.

[Tethler]

Lol, this guy is nuts. I look forward to the inevitable meltdown thread when servers merge.

[Malikail]

I've played blue off and on since it launched with at least one 3 year long stint and several others ranging from a few months to a year. I saw it over 1200 plenty of times. Was fairly common from memory. But even if I grant you the 1200 number for the sake of argument. Are you arguing that 1400 is unplayable garbage and 1200 is fine? Seems like a weird line to draw imo but you're entitled to that opinion. The point I'm making is the world feels VERY noticeably emptier at 600-800 than it does at 1200+ and we have YEARS of blue sustaining well over 1000 players with no major overpopulation issues. As of 9:30pm EST tonight (roughly primetime) there's 1800 total players on blue/green/red.

Scenario A: Blue/Green merge and Green 2.0 launches. Initial launch hype numbers will inflate as they always do. After the dust settles we'll be back to around the same number as always. This project hasn't drastically grown or shrunk in like 10 years and that's not gonna change anytime soon. Ignoring the mostly empty Red this means we'll be back to about 1800 people at primetime to split between 2 servers. Green 2.0 will probably remain slightly more popular than the newly merged blue/green 1.0 as one would expect. So rough estimate say we get like 1000 on green 2.0 and 750 on blue 50 on red. I think MOST people would agree this is pretty healthy/normal numbers?

Scenario B: Blue and Green remain running independent. Teal/Orange/Burgundy (whichever color recycle is) launches. Initial hype.etc dies off. Still at the same 1400-1800 range primetime that P99 has been at for eons. Blue probably sits around 400-500? Green maybe 500-600? Teal/Orange/Burgundy gets the remaining 500-800? This leaves us ultimately with 3 servers that all have less than ideal pop numbers. The newest server will always have the most and will likely be "fine" but on the low end of what most would consider the ideal population. This also is only factoring in primetime numbers. If you wanna play non primetime splitting people to 3 servers? Good luck

I fail to understand why anyone would prefer scenario B. The only arguments I see in favor of it all boil down to "Muh pixels" and what said pixels will be worth in the pixel economy OR they think blue is too tainted with a history of GM issues/bugs and they're afraid of tainting their "fresh and wholesome" green characters. Both of these reasons are stupid beyond my ability to adequately explain with words.

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

[Tethler]

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

I think what you're not taking into account here is that a bunch of people on green would just take a break until green 2.0 starts and roll up again there when it launches, so I seriously doubt the numbers will be as high as you're listing here.

[ya.dingus]

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.


Man I told ya, it's the same blueberry brigade trying to force a merge which would be harmful to the servers.

They want the pixels and legacy loot, that's all it comes down too. They're dishonest, and selfish, and damned be the community as long as they get their loot.

Let them rot on blue.

[ya.dingus]

I think what you're not taking into account here is that a bunch of people on green would just take a break until green 2.0 starts and roll up again there when it launches, so I seriously doubt the numbers will be as high as you're listing here.

Green is "ending" and people are still playing it despite knowing a new one is coming.

So out goes that little rose tinted "merge with us, it'll be fine" theory.

It's trash garbage all these justifications trying to merge w/blue.

See ya on green 2.0

[Allishia]

Not at all, I'm all for merging.

But only after they PUUURRGGEE BABY.

This thread has renewed my vision. Maybe the servers need to merge. But instead of just merging, maybe we PURGE EVERYTHING and start this beautiful project at ground zero.

No history of RMT, no history of duping, no long term server monopolies on loot, raid progression, or history of administrative abuse.

It.will.be.beautiful.

Danth... I just want to be puuuuuurree.




Look at these blueberries Danth, look at what the pixels do to a man. They corrupt him, twist his spirit. His greed is the only thing that remains after a while, and it cloys not just for the pixels in his possession, but the pixels in yours and my possession. It's a sickness Danth, and so long as there is a division between green and blue, there will always be a divisiveness within the playerbase.

Look at them Danth, bombarding the forums in droves, look how it has turned them against their fellow man; these wretches bereft of spirit, their humanity withered away until nothing but the ghastly shade of a man given substance by his greed alone.

Pitiful, wretched, things they be now.

Danth, they need your help. They need you, to wipe the servers Danth.

Once reuinification is achieved, imagine the sever eutopia we could live in. It would be a paradise.

No longer would polluted loot diminish the souls of our fellow man. Destroy the sickness, save the man Danth.

Ok now I'm positive he is just trolling lol, funny dingus, whose your main account?

[PlsNoBan]

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

I haven't started any threads about this. I just respond to the idiot that keeps bringing it up. Not sure where you're getting 2300+ from. The pop across all 3 current p99 servers has been 1500-1800 primetime for some time now. This includes people playing multiple servers simultaneously. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if 100+ people were multi-server boxing and thus those numbers would need to be subtracted in a merge scenario.

[bobjonesp99]

i think they probably wont merge. the reason being that green is devoid of pet windows and other things that they "kept" on blue, but removed from green. it also was a beta server where many things existed for much longer than they should have.

i also dont think they will do green 2.0 since the stakeholders in the project seem a little detached. if there is a green 2.0, i would suspect either blue gets merged into green 1.0 (not the otherway around), or all the new green servers at the end of the timeline get dumped into green 1.0.

[cd288]

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

Lmao what are you smoking? We never have 2,300 players online at the same time, even primetime on weekends. The most characters we ever had online was ~2k and as I said in another comment that was in 2018 over the winter holidays.

The most we've seen on Green and Blue in the aggregate in the past year is like 1,700-1,800 (and I believe that was a weekend evening and may have had a quake (although I can't recall for sure if there was a quake or not)).

You do realize there is a website that tracks the server population for the last 12 months so literally everything you're saying can be factually checked and disproven?

EDIT: Also, just to address your misleading comment on the Povar split, that was in November 2000. It was decided that pop ranges from 2,300-2,500 were too large for a server with just classic old world and Kunark. By the time Velious was reached, many servers had OVER 3,000 PLAYERS online on average at any given time of day; there were new servers launched either just before or right after Velious launch IIRC and those servers were roughly 2k players online on average throughout the day. I was CSR in era and can confirm all of that is accurate. So basically everything you're saying is 100% COMPLETELY INCORRECT.

[Toxigen]

Not at all, I'm all for merging.

But only after they PUUURRGGEE BABY.

This thread has renewed my vision. Maybe the servers need to merge. But instead of just merging, maybe we PURGE EVERYTHING and start this beautiful project at ground zero.

No history of RMT, no history of duping, no long term server monopolies on loot, raid progression, or history of administrative abuse.

It.will.be.beautiful.

Danth... I just want to be puuuuuurree.




Look at these blueberries Danth, look at what the pixels do to a man. They corrupt him, twist his spirit. His greed is the only thing that remains after a while, and it cloys not just for the pixels in his possession, but the pixels in yours and my possession. It's a sickness Danth, and so long as there is a division between green and blue, there will always be a divisiveness within the playerbase.

Look at them Danth, bombarding the forums in droves, look how it has turned them against their fellow man; these wretches bereft of spirit, their humanity withered away until nothing but the ghastly shade of a man given substance by his greed alone.

Pitiful, wretched, things they be now.

Danth, they need your help. They need you, to wipe the servers Danth.

Once reuinification is achieved, imagine the sever eutopia we could live in. It would be a paradise.

No longer would polluted loot diminish the souls of our fellow man. Destroy the sickness, save the man Danth.


Sorry you don't got purge. Hope this helps.

Consider blue, greens getting merged in anyway.

[ya.dingus]

Sorry you don't got purge. Hope this helps.

Consider blue, greens getting merged in anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrekMzfC7Gw

You wish son, see ya on green 2.0 when blue just sits and goes mad like they did in the lighthouse.

[Toxigen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrekMzfC7Gw

You wish son, see ya on green 2.0 when blue just sits and goes mad like they did in the lighthouse.

Alarming levels of immersion.

Obligatory sorry you don't got mental health, hope this helps.

[ya.dingus]

Alarming levels of immersion.

Obligatory sorry you don't got mental health, hope this helps.

Obligatory apologies, sorry you can't detect satire. Alarming levels of detached from reality.

Looking forward to seeing you on 2.0 green though!

[PlsNoBan]

Alarming levels of immersion.

Obligatory sorry you don't got mental health, hope this helps.

Either this guy is 100% purely trolling which seems likely due to posting on brand new account and not main account. He claims he played blue for a long time so I'd wager 3 weeks ago isn't his main forum acct. OR he's legitimately as stupid as he seems. I'm honestly kind of impressed in either scenario. I couldn't keep a straight face being this bad of a troll for as long/as many posts as he has.

[ya.dingus]

Either this guy is 100% purely trolling which seems likely due to posting on brand new account and not main account. He claims he played blue for a long time so I'd wager 3 weeks ago isn't his main forum acct. OR he's legitimately as stupid as he seems. I'm honestly kind of impressed in either scenario. I couldn't keep a straight face being this bad of a troll for as long/as many posts as he has.

You saw me delete my own fungi tunic, full imbued dwarven armor, etc.

Those jimmies are rustled son.

I'll list some things that are true:

1) You're dishonest, selfish, and only concerned with the profit you'd gain with a server population overload that a merger would bring, despite being absolutely demolished by any sort of argument.

2) The best counter point you've put out there is "Nuh Uh."

3) Your posts are as ironic as they are unintentional.

4) I almost feel bad you've let yourself become so unhinged at the idea that nobody wants to mix their hard work on a clean server with the dregs of your beta bucks server.

5) Green will never be like Blue. It doesnt have the history of corruption, exploits, and pandering on it. So get over it, it's true.

6) You're not likely going to see a blue/green merger unless population bottoms out.


Face it, nobody wants to join that server on green except a handful of players wishing they could exploit the system.

So enjoy that stagnat, murky, cesspool of a broken server ya'll got over there. Once you figure out the streams aren't crossing anytime soon, we'll see if you care so much about population that you'll join green.

That last part is a joke. We know you wont, you're a liar and only want them sweet untainted pixels.

See ya later hater!

[cd288]

No one saw anything lol. You literally posted pics of level one characters with likely photoshopped bags of gear. Then you posted a picture of a blank character select screen.

If you want people to actually believe you then get on a stream and delete your characters live in real time

[PlsNoBan]

You saw me delete my own fungi tunic, full imbued dwarven armor, etc.

Those jimmies are rustled son.

I'll list some things that are true:

1) You're dishonest, selfish, and only concerned with the profit you'd gain with a server population overload that a merger would bring, despite being absolutely demolished by any sort of argument.

2) The best counter point you've put out there is "Nuh Uh."

3) Your posts are as ironic as they are unintentional.

4) I almost feel bad you've let yourself become so unhinged at the idea that nobody wants to mix their hard work on a clean server with the dregs of your beta bucks server.

5) Green will never be like Blue. It doesnt have the history of corruption, exploits, and pandering on it. So get over it, it's true.

6) You're not likely going to see a blue/green merger unless population bottoms out.


Face it, nobody wants to join that server on green except a handful of players wishing they could exploit the system.

So enjoy that stagnat, murky, cesspool of a broken server ya'll got over there. Once you figure out the streams aren't crossing anytime soon, we'll see if you care so much about population that you'll join green.

That last part is a joke. We know you wont, you're a liar and only want them sweet untainted pixels.

See ya later hater!

See ya on green 2.0 after the merge kiddo

[ya.dingus]

No one saw anything lol. You literally posted pics of level one characters with likely photoshopped bags of gear. Then you posted a picture of a blank character select screen.

If you want people to actually believe you then get on a stream and delete your characters live in real time

Post like these are gems. No matter how much proof you have, you wont admit it.

The reason why is not that you don't believe it, it's just that be admitting to it you destroy your position for merging the servers.

Let's be real, you've all tipped your hand by now.

Tell me who wins?

1 posty boi versus pack of brigading blueberries hell bent on server merging?

[Tethler]

dingus, let's entertain the idea for a minute that the servers don't merge and green stays separate. When green 1.0 "ends" and green 2.0 starts, what do you imagine will happen to the green 1.0 population? Do you expect that the server would maintain it's population?

I'd expect the majority would go reroll on green 2.0, making the 1.0 server a dead server. I'm pretty sure you said something along the lines of your green pixels would be devalued by being moved to blue. How much value will they hold on a dead server?

[cd288]

Post like these are gems. No matter how much proof you have, you wont admit it.

The reason why is not that you don't believe it, it's just that be admitting to it you destroy your position for merging the servers.

Let's be real, you've all tipped your hand by now.

Tell me who wins?

1 posty boi versus pack of brigading blueberries hell bent on server merging?

I mean just saying you didn't actually show deletion of anything. You just showed level 1 characters with bags of gear open and then a picture of a character select screen with no characters on it. I'm happy to believe you deleted your characters if you actually show a video of you doing it.

And you think we need to purge everything to merge right? If you're fine with that why not set up a video of you deleting your Green characters right now? You said you don't care about them or the pixels so why not delete?

[Dewbes]

Can you blue idiots go back to RnF? We don’t care about you sorry.

[cd288]

Can you blue idiots go back to RnF? We don’t care about you sorry.

Except many people on Blue also play on Green...? Sometimes simultaneously.

[Toxigen]

Can you blue idiots go back to RnF? We don’t care about you sorry.

sorry you dont got permagreen, hope this helps

[ya.dingus]

dingus, let's entertain the idea for a minute that the servers don't merge and green stays separate. When green 1.0 "ends" and green 2.0 starts, what do you imagine will happen to the green 1.0 population? Do you expect that the server would maintain it's population?

I'd expect the majority would go reroll on green 2.0, making the 1.0 server a dead server. I'm pretty sure you said something along the lines of your green pixels would be devalued by being moved to blue. How much value will they hold on a dead server?

I imagine green 2.0 will have a substantially larger pop than green 1.0, and players who just want their green 1.0 will continue to play on those. When green 2.0 rolls into green 1.0, it'll happen all over again.

Imagine, a minimum pop of 500-600 is all you need to run a healthy eq server.

I also imagine blue will stagnate and people will get rustled they cant get the legacy loot offered on green.


Imagine, Blue population could be jettisoned into the sun, and green community would be fine and do fine without them in any case.

Imagine, green doesnt rely on blue population, not now, not ever.

[ya.dingus]

sorry you dont got permablue, hope this helps

Fixed that for ya.

Green will always be green. Blue is beta, not perma. Imagine that.


Although Blue's original purpose was to sever as a "Beta" server for Green, after Green's release the Blue (and Red?) will continue running, at the current (just before Luclin) point in the timeline. "Classically inspired" custom content may be added in the future.

Green players not getting that "Classically Inspired" custom content. And never will. See ya NEEEERDS.

[cd288]

When is OP going to stream deleting his Green chars because he said he was fine with wiping all the servers

[PlsNoBan]

a minimum pop of 500-600 is all you need to run a healthy eq server.

https://i.imgur.com/f8aZs6B.gif

Imagine playing on a 500 peak primetime server that doesn't allow boxing and ~100 people idling semi/fully afk in EC. Enjoy finding groups outside of a handful of popular zones. God forbid you try to play during off hours as a class that can't solo. Big ole yikes. This guy is seriously clueless.

[Tethler]

I imagine green 2.0 will have a substantially larger pop than green 1.0, and players who just want their green 1.0 will continue to play on those. When green 2.0 rolls into green 1.0, it'll happen all over again.

Imagine, a minimum pop of 500-600 is all you need to run a healthy eq server.

I also imagine blue will stagnate and people will get rustled they cant get the legacy loot offered on green.


Imagine, Blue population could be jettisoned into the sun, and green community would be fine and do fine without them in any case.

Imagine, green doesnt rely on blue population, not now, not ever.

No way would green maintain 5-600 after 2.0 launch. That's slightly less than it is now. You're delusional, pal.

[PlsNoBan]

No way would green maintain 5-600 after 2.0 launch. That's slightly less than it is now. You're delusional, pal.

Shut up blueberry. Stop using logic and math. You just care about your legacy deprecated blue pixels.


Edit: Forgot beta bucks

[Allishia]

Shut up blueberry. Stop using logic and math. You just care about your legacy deprecated blue pixels.


Edit: Forgot beta bucks

Lmao 😂

[Rpruett]

Green is "ending" and people are still playing it despite knowing a new one is coming.

So out goes that little rose tinted "merge with us, it'll be fine" theory.

It's trash garbage all these justifications trying to merge w/blue.

See ya on green 2.0

Merge is absolutely mandatory as population is king in a "MMO".

The merge/migration should be a choice to Red or Blue.
The new ladder season on P99 should start on Green. That simple -- then the devs should start working on custom content for Blue in the meantime.

The only people who stand to lose if they don't merge (would ironically be the players who supported this effort from day 1). As they will remain further disconnected from their original characters. There's no benefit blue players have at this point over green players.

I'd support a standalone Teal should exist to merge *only* Green players. Then when population dips below a certain threshold (Say 3-400 active players) they should just cancel the server/characters altogether.

OP has no clue how many people (who play green) pray daily for a merge back into Blue. Just from my little circle of friends, you'd lose 5-6 players who would love to migrate to Blue. The Blue experience is simply better than Green at this point.

[Zoolander]

Merge is absolutely mandatory as population is king in a "MMO".


this

[cd288]

Still waiting for OP to live stream deleting his green chars because he says he doesn’t care about pixels and would be fine with the servers being purged

[ya.dingus]

Shut up blueberry. Stop using logic and math. You just care about your legacy deprecated blue pixels.


Edit: Forgot beta bucks


Sure it would, and that's not math or logic, it's speculation.

You guys must run the propaganda press for the Chinese Republic, it's insane what lies you're willing to post here just to get some pixels.

Also, you can't live stream what you already deleted. Devs can confirm, if they don't you gotta settle with the screen shots.

And yeah, green doesnt need blue, and it never will.

Stay salty nerds, the merge will never happen with blue.

[cd288]

You said you deleted your blue characters. So presumably you still have chars on green or your feelings wouldn’t be so hurt by the concept of a merge. Still waiting for you to stream deleting your green chars because you said you didn’t care about your pixels

[PlsNoBan]

Hurrdurr merge will never happen trust me I'm a freshly made troll account

https://i.imgur.com/frM84vk.gif

See ya at the merge kid

[Tethler]

See ya at the merge kid

He's gonna be so mad when it happens.

[ya.dingus]

He's gonna be so mad when it happens.

https://www.mentalhealthcenter.org/denial-what-you-need-to-know/

[PlsNoBan]

https://www.mentalhealthcenter.org/denial-what-you-need-to-know/

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

[Toxigen]

sorry you dont got perma green

consider blue (its happening sooner or later) hope this helps

[ya.dingus]

sorry you dont got perma green

consider blue (its happening sooner or later) hope this helps

Sorry you dont got perma blue. It's a buggy exploited hell hole that green players dont want to join.

[PlsNoBan]

Sorry you dont got perma blue

Except he does got that. Blue will exist for as long as P99 exists and if you think otherwise you are literally braindead for real.

[ya.dingus]

Except he does got that. Blue will exist for as long as P99 exists and if you think otherwise you are literally braindead for real.

Except he doesnt, especially when they start adding custom content. Then it REALLY is going to go sideways

[cd288]

Except he doesnt, especially when they start adding custom content. Then it REALLY is going to go sideways

Copium

[Tilien]

It's a buggy exploited hell hole that green players dont want to join.


Personally I agree, wipe green and start green 2.0. No need to keep green characters around, it is supposed to restart that's the whole fun of it.

[sajbert]

Personally I agree, wipe green and start green 2.0. No need to keep green characters around, it is supposed to restart that's the whole fun of it.

Thinking about the ridiculous amount of time I put into Green, I’m surprised that I don’t think I’d be very upset if a wipe happened. I guess I’d feel different if I hadn’t acheieved my main goals, sorta unfulfilled childhood dream of hitting 60, playing Wizard and getting an Epic and Dragonbane. As a kid I think I got to 52 or so on a Magician and looked at the big Wizars spell damage numbers and decided that Wizards CLEARLY were better and mages sucked. Oh boy.

Anyway, it’d be cathartic. The friends will still be around on the new server. Then again, nothing prevents me from deleting my Wizard today, except maybe friends when there’s no new server? I guess there’s also more things to achieve and chase.

For those who still have unfinished goals they care about a wipe would suck. Like, half-way through your epic quest.

[ya.dingus]

Personally I agree, wipe green and start green 2.0. No need to keep green characters around, it is supposed to restart that's the whole fun of it.

Personally I agree, wipe everything and just keep green characters. Blue characters are beta, stated by developers, it's well known.

Blue was a staging ground to set the state of the project up for green. Green is our end game.

It makes sense that everything we do from here on out be focused on green. That means keeping green characters, recycling green seasons, etc.

As for people deleting their characters, go for it; but some people's goals arent the same as yours.

[Zeboim]

Still not entirely sure why people are opposed to having Blue as a dumping ground for old Green characters as Green cycles.

Is it still just muh pixels? I'm sure that somebody has explained whatever moon logic they want to use to justify it but I'm not gonna read 25 pages of this.

[Allishia]

Still not entirely sure why people are opposed to having Blue as a dumping ground for old Green characters as Green cycles.

Is it still just muh pixels? I'm sure that somebody has explained whatever moon logic they want to use to justify it but I'm not gonna read 25 pages of this.
No one is opposed to that and it was the original plan anyway...except that dingus person :p

[ya.dingus]

TLDR:

Green community doesnt want to rejoin blue.

Blue players are terrified that if they dont rejoin, they'll lose their chance at new legacy loot cycled in, and also that they will become irrelevant as continued green cycles are more popular than blue server, even at green's end of life.

Effectively, having green cycle and dump into its own series would be the end of blue, and blue players are scared.

Why it should happen? Blue has been a buggy mess since its inception, and the devs have even said that the entire point of blue was to practice for green.

It makes 0 sense, ZERO, to force clean, un-beta characters, back into a beta environment.

That's what this entire argument is over. These same 5 blue accounts keep attempting to derail despite the overwhelming support from the green community to be independent from blue (At first the dev's were going to merge into blue, then a STORM of green posters had huge objections to it in the discord and the dev's changed their position for it).


In short, ignore literally anything coming from the above poster, cd99, pleasenoban, and and a few others that are shills, you won't get an accurate representation.

No one is opposed to that and it was the original plan anyway...except that dingus person :p

Here is the DIRECT QUOTE from Rogean about the amount of feedback they initially got saying they dont want to merge back with blue. Far from "No one" as the above dishonest poster says.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

[Tethler]

Green community doesnt want to rejoin blue.


You don't speak for the entire community, pal. I'm a green player, and I want the merge. I know a lot of other green players that do too.



In short, ignore literally anything coming from the above poster, cd99, pleasenoban, and and a few others that are shills, you won't get an accurate representation.


"You won't get an accurate representation" kinda like listening to the guy spamming his personal wishes here while falsely claiming that the entire community believes the same thing as him?


Here is the DIRECT QUOTE from Rogean about the amount of feedback they initially got saying they dont want to merge back with blue. Far from "No one" as the above dishonest poster says.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Server

This quote literally says nothing about the amount of feedback. It just acknowledges there there has been feedback. You're just bending that to mean what you want it to mean. He just says "we've heard your concerns". As I recall, when this was talked about closer to green launch, a lot of the discussion/concern was centered around the merge creating situations where character numbers would go over the max, forcing players to delete characters to make room. Also, naming conflicts. There was a lot less talk of people opposing the merge than those other discussions.

[cd288]

Still not entirely sure why people are opposed to having Blue as a dumping ground for old Green characters as Green cycles.

Is it still just muh pixels? I'm sure that somebody has explained whatever moon logic they want to use to justify it but I'm not gonna read 25 pages of this.

No one really minds the idea except this guy. He’s obsessed with the idea that he’s going to lose all value in the time he put in on green.

Really moronic IMO to even start playing on a progression server if that’s a concern because they always merge and recycle

[ya.dingus]

You don't speak for the entire community, pal. I'm a green player, and I want the merge. I know a lot of other green players that do too.



"You won't get an accurate representation" kinda like listening to the guy spamming his personal wishes here while falsely claiming that the entire community believes the same thing as him?




This quote literally says nothing about the amount of feedback. It just acknowledges there there has been feedback. You're just bending that to mean what you want it to mean. He just says "we've heard your concerns". As I recall, when this was talked about closer to green launch, a lot of the discussion/concern was centered around the merge creating situations where character numbers would go over the max, forcing players to delete characters to make room. Also, naming conflicts. There was a lot less talk of people opposing the merge than those other discussions.

TLDR:

You're a blue player, who tried to farm green legacy to bring back to your blue player.