student loans are a hit!

[Origen]

Well a start might be for the general messaging from every single mainstream media outlet and institution to change from "white people root cause" to "hey take responsibility for your own actions asshole".

I can imagine being a young black dude and hearing constantly from everyone how the country is racist and you'll always be held back and you basically have no agency to do anything to make a good life for yourself might make me more likely to say fuck it and become a professional criminal.

So ya know, maybe if the media stopped just lying constantly, every day, about essentially every story involving race, behaviors might change! It's just that, depressingly, dems *need* people to believe racism is worse than ever. It's their electoral bread and butter. They have a perverse incentive to ignore all the progress that has occurred and lie to young minorities about the nature of life in america, which to me is unconscionable.Assuming I accept your assumption, how do you get media companies to do this? How do you fix it faster than within a single generation?

[Ooloo]

The main thing about prison I find pretty messed up is the raping. Like, the prisoners are literally in cages most of the time and there are armed guards everywhere, but they can't do anything about the.. forcible rapes? Like how is it that some of the worst imaginable crimes still happen *inside* prison? Rapes, shankings, gang beatings, gang riots.. There are cops everywhere! Wtf?

[Ooloo]

Assuming I accept your assumption, how do you get media companies to do this? How do you fix it faster than within a single generation?

No clue, but I think it's still the main problem.

Legacy media is dying, so that's a good sign at least.

[Origen]

Aren't you the one implying the hypothetical non-white viewer has no agency in their own life and only do what the television dictates to them?

[Ooloo]

Aren't you the one implying the hypothetical non-white viewer has no agency in their own life and only do what the television dictates to them?

No, because many non-white viewers see through that shit and call it out. And then people of your ilk shit all over them for being race traitors or "black conservatives" who are somehow being tricked by white people into not believing they're super oppressed. This is *exactly* what msnbc and npr did with the affirmative action decision. They insisted it was just white people tricking asians into complaining about it, or some insane nonsense like that.

They absolutely cannot deviate from the script; it always has to be white people's fault. Some people find that extremely gross and racist and offensive, myself included.

[Origen]

Yeah but you're really sensitive and prone to saying a bunch of dumb shit really quickly because you think it makes you seem intelligent

Maybe just take your own advice and turn off the tv

[Ooloo]

Yeah but you're really sensitive and prone to saying a bunch of dumb shit really quickly because you think it makes you seem intelligent

Maybe just take your own advice and turn off the tv

Great argument. Ur dumb too!

[Origen]

I'm not sure you'd know a great argument if you saw one

[arvidez]

Assuming I accept your assumption, how do you get media companies to do this? How do you fix it faster than within a single generation?

tell antifa?

[Botten]

tell antifa?

I don't know cancelling them seems to send an enraging message to the the alt right.

Antifa just doesn't have the Jan 6 disruption power. Nothing says messed up like conservative party wanting to lynch their own Vice President.

[arvidez]

I don't know cancelling them seems to send an enraging message to the the alt right.

Antifa just doesn't have the Jan 6 disruption power. Nothing says messed up like conservative party wanting to lynch their own Vice President.

dont understand your response, i will elaborate on mine. ]

antifa(alt-left baby killer, racists) for them turning on the media is like turning on mommy and daddy. they follow media,the pharms mouthpiece. they are all on the pharm, neutered and homicidal.

just thought yalls heroes could get it done, guess i am wrong? they dont have redneck power you say?

[Origen]

Boy howdy do I wish the organization that the right thinks antifa is actually existed, then we could get some shit done in this ridiculous country

Wish they had corporate and billionaire sponsors like all of the fascist orgs do

[Homesteaded]

Love that old gem, Antifa doesn’t exist.

[Origen]

Nah it exists, but we have few friends in the media and none in the government.

Antifa does have The Lord on their side, but he works in mysterious ways so that's not always apparent.

[Homesteaded]

Please share with us the Antifa connection with The Lord.

[Origen]

It's simple:

God loves Good. Antifa is Good. It is good and right to oppose fascism.

[arvidez]

quite the shuffle around antifa oriken. 'they' dont exist, i mean 'we' do exist, and we do the Lord's work.

you know alot about the lords intention with, as you said, no direct connection.

[aussenseiter]

Love that old gem, Antifa doesn’t exist.

Anarchism is like that by definition.

[aussenseiter]

Ah that's why they sent me that.

Today's word is oikophobia.

[arvidez]

antifa = children replace mommy and daddy with the state, and the state gaslights its children into a frenzy. keeping them fat and high and under constant threat of losing the tit.

stay with mommy baby, it is safe with me darling. you dont need to learn to stand, you can lay on me forever.

[Origen]

That is a cool word. Is it because I used to fly the PKK flag?

[Botten]

dont understand your response, i will elaborate on mine. ]

antifa(alt-left baby killer, racists) for them turning on the media is like turning on mommy and daddy. they follow media,the pharms mouthpiece. they are all on the pharm, neutered and homicidal.

just thought yalls heroes could get it done, guess i am wrong? they dont have redneck power you say?

And here I thought mostly blue states pay federal taxes that support failing poverty stricken red states. (https://www.moneyrates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm)

https://www.moneyrates.com/wp-content/uploads/imagesrv_wp/5015/Federal-tax-by-state.png

[aussenseiter]

And here I thought mostly blue states pay federal taxes that support failing poverty stricken red states. (https://www.moneyrates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm)

https://www.moneyrates.com/wp-content/uploads/imagesrv_wp/5015/Federal-tax-by-state.png

Those hard working millionaires deserve a tax break! (https://apnews.com/article/north-america-business-local-taxes-ap-top-news-politics-2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c)

[arvidez]

california and new york are feeding the big man. and all the humans are seeking refuge in texas and florida?

[arvidez]

That is a cool word. Is it because I used to fly the PKK flag?

no. and i regret the confusion.

[Ooloo]

And here I thought mostly blue states pay federal taxes that support failing poverty stricken red states. (https://www.moneyrates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm)

https://www.moneyrates.com/wp-content/uploads/imagesrv_wp/5015/Federal-tax-by-state.png

Haha are you telling me that the most populous states pay the largest amount in taxes? Man what a revelation.

I guess that means all california's most profitable industries aren't hemorrhaging to red states like texas and florida?

[Botten]

Haha are you telling me that the most populous states pay the largest amount in taxes? Man what a revelation.

I guess that means all california's most profitable industries aren't hemorrhaging to red states like texas and florida?

https://www.moneyrates.com/wp-content/uploads/imagesrv_wp/5015/Federal-tax-by-state.png

Apparently FL provides half of what California does in federal taxes.

But some how Florida is upsetting businesses. It happens when a crazy alt right usually does what they do best. Disney, farming and construction all angry. Hell their are Truckers refusing to drive into the state in some cases.

Poor Baler always using his Ben Shapiro like arguments. *roll eyes

[aussenseiter]

https://www.moneyrates.com/wp-content/uploads/imagesrv_wp/5015/Federal-tax-by-state.png

Apparently FL provides half of what California does in federal taxes.

But some how Florida is upsetting businesses. It happens when a crazy alt right usually does what they do best. Disney, farming and construction all angry. Hell their are Truckers refusing to drive into the state in some cases.

Poor Baler always using his Ben Shapiro like arguments. *roll eyes

Now do which states are fiscally solvent!

[Evia]

Go! Go! My team go!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's not the time. It's how menacing it is, or isn't. Rikers is a crime. And then you got other kinds of places. Arguing about sentencing is distinct from discussing prison / jail process reform. Some states get away with what amounts to emotional and psychological torture (video only visits).

Simple design designs that are truly 6 of one half dozen of another cost and staffing-wise, can make a tremendous difference in what the time is, wnad what the time does. Basic daily routine at a decent lockup = honest time Boring as fuck.
Poorly designed lockup with jerk-around routines and processes = nobody wins!

Make the time fair. Correctional rules and reform is superior guild objective.

[Botten]

Now do which states are fiscally solvent!

Go! Go! My team go!

I am sure a lot of white Christian cis republican males with citizenship in FL are enjoying cheering themselves on.

Too bad it is just their small minority. Pretty fail.

[aussenseiter]

I am sure a lot of white Christian cis republican males with citizenship in FL are enjoying cheering themselves on.

Too bad it is just their small minority. Pretty fail.

It's interesting you associate those words with what I said.

[Rager and Quitter]

It's interesting you associate those words with what I said.

It's literally the only thing he cares about. He's front lines in an ideological war that the left is trying so hard to win, but they're all batshit crazy and end up eating their own over and over.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Bunch a scientists up in this thread

[Origen]

It's literally the only thing he cares about. He's front lines in an ideological war that the left is trying so hard to win, but they're all batshit crazy and end up eating their own over and over.https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/images/Capitol_Riot_0.jpg

[Botten]

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/images/Capitol_Riot_0.jpg

Apparently the left is crazy when the right wants to lynch their own leaders.

[unsunghero]

My advice to the people who just can’t avoid committing multiple violent felonies in their misunderstood lives:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g

[Ooloo]

Apparently the left is crazy when the right wants to lynch their own leaders.

Nah more like a few idiots wanted to do that. Then they didn't do it, and the cops kicked them out and everything was fine.

They don't want to convert confused children into the opposite sex at least, I can give them that!

[Origen]

The Ooloo Challenge: FAILED

[Origen]

The counter has been reset. Try not to think about children in sexual circumstances!

[loramin]

They don't want to convert confused children into the opposite sex at least, I can give them that!

The hubris here ... you are assuming you know more about one of the most intimate details of another human being (whether a child was born mentally with the same gender they have physically) ... without ever even having met them!

[Lune]

MAGA as a political and social movement relies on having some group to channel hatred toward, it is the overarching unifying factor. What the MAGA's on this board don't admit is that their beliefs and hatreds aren't even conceived in reason or fact, just emotions mixed with the recent thing being fed to them by their social media apparatus. It's clear none of you have an understanding of even high school level science and just seem to know very little about the world in general, but feel confident rejecting the findings of those who do, for nonsensical reasons.

"Some scientist somewhere had questionable motives, therefore all science I disagree with can't be trusted"

The goal of MAGA is not to achieve anything its cultists believe, like stopping immigration or making LGBTQ's second class citizens. The real goal is enrichment and empowerment of its corporate donors, as those are the only policy achievements the GOP has been able to make since Bush. The goal is the destruction of the power of the federal government so cartels can fill the void.

So when I read shit like:

They don't want to convert confused children into the opposite sex at least, I can give them that!

It just makes me sad, it's not even really Ooloo's views, it's some MAGA provacateur with his hand up Ooloo's ass speaking through him like a sock puppet. Because it always reflects whatever the MAGA movement is focused on at the current time. I don't think I've seen a single actual political opinion from any of these guys in years, you know, something like "we should reform campaign finance" even. Just hate. It's identical to watching Fox News or reading a bunch of morons on facebook. Because it's a cult.

[Origen]

Yup. They are also victims. The chuds go after public education because it serves their long term goals by allowing ignorance to fester AND helps preserve the existing class hierarchy.

[aussenseiter]

MAGA as a political and social movement relies on having some group to channel hatred toward, it is the overarching unifying factor. What the MAGA's on this board don't admit is that their beliefs and hatreds aren't even conceived in reason or fact, just emotions mixed with the recent thing being fed to them by their social media apparatus.


https://i.imgur.com/FtHkq2G.jpeg

[Lune]

Yup. They are also victims. The chuds go after public education because it serves their long term goals by allowing ignorance to fester AND helps preserve the existing class hierarchy.

Also a desperate attempt at saving their dying religion by forcing kids into Christian charter schools where they can warp their worldview and, dare I say, groom them away from becoming atheist or agnostic as they learn about the way the world works.

https://i.imgur.com/nJAiajN.jpg

[aussenseiter]

Also a desperate attempt at saving their dying religion by forcing kids into Christian charter schools where they can warp their worldview and, dare I say, groom them away from becoming atheist or agnostic as they learn about the way the world works.

https://i.imgur.com/nJAiajN.jpg

How did the other attempts at Dechristianization work out?

[Origen]

I believe America can defeat the imposter that is Supply Side Jesus 🇺🇲

[Lune]

How did the other attempts at Dechristianization work out?

There is no attempt at dechristianization, y'all doing it to yourselves lol. I love what Jesus actually said and did, it's ^ Supply Side Jesus that is the problem

[Patriam1066]

Also a desperate attempt at saving their dying religion by forcing kids into Christian charter schools where they can warp their worldview and, dare I say, groom them away from becoming atheist or agnostic as they learn about the way the world works.

https://i.imgur.com/nJAiajN.jpg

What about Muslims who became Baha’i and then became baptist? I’m going to become Armenian apostolic soon actually, suits me best socioculturally now that I’m growing out my beard

[Homesteaded]

Also a desperate attempt at saving their dying religion by forcing kids into Christian charter schools where they can warp their worldview and, dare I say, groom them away from becoming atheist or agnostic as they learn about the way the world works.

https://i.imgur.com/nJAiajN.jpg

Globally Christianity is growing. The US, as is obvious is descending into hell.

[Ooloo]

It just makes me sad, it's not even really Ooloo's views, it's some MAGA provacateur with his hand up Ooloo's ass speaking through him like a sock puppet. Because it always reflects whatever the MAGA movement is focused on at the current time. I don't think I've seen a single actual political opinion from any of these guys in years, you know, something like "we should reform campaign finance" even. Just hate. It's identical to watching Fox News or reading a bunch of morons on facebook. Because it's a cult.

Yeah guys jeez I can't figure out on my own if it's okay to chemically castrate children. This is a real head scratcher.

I'm over here being a sock puppet cause I think crazy radical things like: "Don't chemically castrate children" and "Don't cut people's genitals off".

[druidbob]

The word "genitals" sure is showing up a lot in a thread about student debt.

[Ooloo]

Only a crazy MAGA loon would think that kids should like grow up and have a normal childhood and not be treated as political ornaments by insane adults.

Show me some studies that any of this shit actually helps anyone, I would love to read them.

The word "genitals" sure is showing up a lot in a thread about student debt.

I know I'm sorry, but I did try to make a generic thread for current events (like this transgender debate) and it was locked instantly. So it just ends up here or in the trump thread.

[Origen]

Globally Christianity is growing. The US, as is obvious is descending into hell.Thankfully, most Christians are nothing like you, with nothing but hatred in your heart for your fellow people

[Trexller]

it doesn't matter how badly we fuck the world up, it's already over

brQLpTnDwyg

[aussenseiter]

Thankfully, most Christians are nothing like you, with nothing but hatred in your heart for your fellow people

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?

[Lune]

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

[unsunghero]

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

What’s ruining public education IMO are behavior problems

I go into schools all the time for work, and there isn’t much porn or political indoctrination that I’ve seen

The kids who aren’t getting educated are the kids with behavior problems. Kids with major behaviors burn out the staff and end up being just babysat and pushed through the grades while being barely literate

Also, the other kids that fail are the ones that choose to. Any kid can drop out of high school by age 16 and the parent can go fuck themselves in regards to the kid’s schooling for 2 years until they kick the kid out, if they can’t motivate the kid to continue school in some other way. And this is a decent amount of kids, especially from poor areas

Major behavior problems from kids are what fucks not only those kid’s education over, but also the kids around them sometimes

Anything else is a red herring issue

[aussenseiter]

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

If it's ok for them to do so, why must they pay double to do so? (Read: sin tax)

[Lune]

What’s ruining public education IMO are behavior problems

I go into schools all the time for work, and there isn’t much porn or political indoctrination that I’ve seen

The kids who aren’t getting educated are the kids with behavior problems. Kids with major behaviors burn out the staff and end up being just babysat and pushed through the grades while being barely literate

Also, the other kids that fail are the ones that choose to. Any kid can drop out of high school by age 16 and the parent can go fuck themselves in regards to the kid’s schooling for 2 years until they kick the kid out, if they can’t motivate the kid to continue school in some other way. And this is a decent amount of kids, especially from poor areas

Major behavior problems from kids are what fucks not only those kid’s education over, but also the kids around them sometimes

Anything else is a red herring issue

Again my wife is a teacher and it is more complicated than that. When it comes to behavior, it's mostly God awful terrible parents who do absolutely nothing to guide their child's behavioral development, and then when their little animal runs into problems with the school, the parents lash out at the staff rather than look inward. And districts tend to placate parents. It's not the teachers job to parent your kid.

It's like an extension of the NIMBYism that is destroying blue states, except it's "Not My BabY!", a culture of complete narcissism, neglect, and lack of self awareness. In Washington, my wife will be part of a union, be paid twice as much, and work primarily with the children of the wealthy. So I'm eager to see how that pans out culturally and if parents are still shit.

[Origen]

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?I am not opposed to charter schools or the decision to trans your kid.

I am opposed to defunding public schools, though, and I recognize why charter school discourse enters that chat. If they existed independently of public schools I would be indifferent. I do not think a religious one should replace a public school, but I know that's precisely what the intention is in a lot of places.

America has dealt with this issue before and we will again. It's a more diverse place than it was the last time, so I have faith that the people will remain largely secular despite the efforts of Christian fascists.

[Lune]

If it's ok for them to do so, why must they pay double to do so? (Read: sin tax)

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

[unsunghero]

Again my wife is a teacher and it is more complicated than that. When it comes to behavior, it's mostly God awful terrible parents who do absolutely nothing to guide their child's behavioral development, and then when their little animal runs into problems with the school, the parents lash out at the staff rather than look inward. And districts tend to placate parents.

It's like an extension of the NIMBYism that is destroying blue states, except it's "Not My BabY!", a culture of complete narcissism, neglect, and lack of self awareness. In Washington, my wife will be part of a union, be paid twice as much, and work primarily with the children of the wealthy. So I'm eager to see how that pans out culturally and if parents are still shit.

I agree on the shit parent contributing

But from what I’ve seen in AZ public schools, the material is more than adequate to get the kids into college. Bantering about classes is something I do with every kid I talk to at school pretty much

What’s make or break isn’t the material, it’s the kid giving a shit or not. For kids that are struggling, public schools offer study hour and tutoring. Once again though, what matters is whether the kid cares about their education or not (and not for the same reason as a parent might. Sometimes the reason is to not disappoint their parent or to get some reward)

[Origen]

Source: https://www.leftvoice.org/public-education-in-capitalism-a-marxist-perspective/

1. Schools are central institutions of modern capitalist society. We must reject the idea that they are eternal and immutable and that the “natural” way of learning takes place within the four walls of a classroom with fixed times, grade levels, scores, etc. Schools are products of history. They appear in a specific moment and are therefore not natural or eternal. The learning institutions of today are destined to disappear or change along with the society that gave gave rise to them.

2. Public education is an important mechanism in creating social consensus because it is based on the idea that school offers “equal opportunities” for all citizens. This idea of education is a strong legitimating force of capitalism. The idea of equal opportunity under the capitalist system is, in itself, a fallacy.

3. Teaching has a third role: the socializing role. It is a mechanism used to train students to internalize the values, ideas, and attitudes of the dominant society. Educational institutions are especially efficient in legitimating the current social order because schools play a role not only in training workers in the strict sense of giving them skills to be part of the productive labor force but also in the naturalization of the social relations of production.

[aussenseiter]

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

[unsunghero]

Public schools have academic counselors who’s job it is to sit down with kids that are struggling academically and be a mini-case manager for them with their teachers

They can consolidate work into only the most important assignments, see about make-up work, extra credit opportunities, or even switch a kid’s classes if necessary

There’s more than enough support for kids at public schools in my state. Like I said, the kids I see fail are the ones who just don’t give a shit about school, possibly because of a shit parent, not always though. But regardless, the parent can’t turn around the kid’s attitude before the kid can legally drop out, so they do

[Botten]

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

Say you want to donate to the Republican Party as a Republican politician to reduce your Taxes. Well you can’t donate to political parties to reduce your taxes.

Instead you donate to a Christian private school large amounts of funds allows you to get your kid in and a means to write it off your taxes.

The private school then launders … I mean donates that back into the Republican Party.

[aussenseiter]

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

Say you want to donate to the Republican Party as a Republican politician to reduce your Taxes. Well you can’t donate to political parties to reduce your taxes.

Instead you donate to a Christian private school large amounts of funds allows you to get your kid in and a means to write it off your taxes.

The private school then launders … I mean donates that back into the Republican Party.

How is it cheating if the government gives me a tax break? 🤪

[Trexller]

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

so democrats never cheat?

and you expect people to take you seriously?

[Elizondo]

Typical Betas with no T supporting child mutilation and unwilling to defend child innocence

[Duik]

If you want to get into why criminals are criminals we can do that

Hint: Primarily raised by single mothers

Maybe this is true, as a statistic, but it is disingenuous to conclude "mothers should stay married NO MATTER THE SITUATION to save society from criminals".
These single mothers become single for MANY REASONS.
Arsehole fathers being arseholes cause some.
Cunty women being cunts also cause some.

Spouse death.

Just two people grow the fuck apart.
So, we maybe need to understand the why part of marriage breakdown. Can we agree on that?

What about lesbian parents, technically not single moms, any stats on gay couples making criminals?
I'd love some research on that.
But god, wont someone think of god!#! HashclaimationPoint (PatentPending)

[Origen]

Typical Betas with no T supporting child mutilation and unwilling to defend child innocencePlease elaborate on your love life, Elizondo

If you don't respond I assume you are single

[Elizondo]

Please elaborate on your love life, Elizondo

If you don't respond I assume you are single

You even post like a female using feminist shaming tactics. Pathetic.

We all know about your 'love life' and how you neglected your cancer stricken wife to post on elf forums all day

[Origen]

Haha, single and lonely confirmed. Have fun jacking off to porn, sadboy.

[Elizondo]

Haha, single and lonely confirmed. Have fun jacking off to porn, sadboy.

lol you post like an angry feminist

So Pathetic

[Origen]

My wife likes my feminist outlook, sorry you are bitter and alone though

[Elizondo]

My wife likes my feminist outlook

You post like a woman scorned and your low T Beta status confirmed

Pathetic

By the way, you ever get a job or are you still an unemployed loser?

[unsunghero]

The difference between American and Mexican heroes are what they are willing to sacrifice to try to keep their community safe

In America, it’s your job (for now)

In Mexico, it’s your life

[Ooloo]

Maybe this is true, as a statistic, but it is disingenuous to conclude "mothers should stay married NO MATTER THE SITUATION to save society from criminals".
These single mothers become single for MANY REASONS.
Arsehole fathers being arseholes cause some.
Cunty women being cunts also cause some.

Spouse death.

Just two people grow the fuck apart.
So, we maybe need to understand the why part of marriage breakdown. Can we agree on that?

What about lesbian parents, technically not single moms, any stats on gay couples making criminals?
I'd love some research on that.
But god, wont someone think of god!#! HashclaimationPoint (PatentPending)

Welfare and entitlements that incentivize single motherhood certainly don't help. Black families were far more likely to remain intact *before* the civil rights movement. Which is absolutely NOT an endorsement of jim crow laws, but rather a massive indictment of these programs. They had good intentions, but unfortunately they have drastically incentivized all the social conditions that lead to crime. And no this doesn't just apply to black families. There are far more fatherless white children today than there were in the first half of the 20th century as a result of those same incentives. And then there's modern social attitudes and religiosity but that's a separate issue that's much harder to quantify.

I don't know the stats on same-sex couples and child rearing, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that two fathers or two mothers will lack the inherent value of the opposite sex being present in raising the children. Whatever fathers are good at will be lacking in a lesbian couple's parenting, and whatever mothers are good at will be lacking in a gay couple's parenting.

Which isn't to say same sex couples can't raise good kids, I'm sure they can and do. But not every critique of it has to come from some hateful biggotted place.

[aussenseiter]

Welfare and entitlements that incentivize single motherhood certainly don't help. Black families were far more likely to remain intact *before* the civil rights movement. Which is absolutely NOT an endorsement of jim crow laws, but rather a massive indictment of these programs. They had good intentions, but unfortunately they have drastically incentivized all the social conditions that lead to crime. And no this doesn't just apply to black families. There are far more fatherless white children today than there were in the first half of the 20th century as a result of those same incentives. And then there's modern social attitudes and religiosity but that's a separate issue that's much harder to quantify.

I don't know the stats on same-sex couples and child rearing, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that two fathers or two mothers will lack the inherent value of the opposite sex being present in raising the children. Whatever fathers are good at will be lacking in a lesbian couple's parenting, and whatever mothers are good at will be lacking in a gay couple's parenting.

Which isn't to say same sex couples can't raise good kids, I'm sure they can and do. But not every critique of it has to come from some hateful biggotted place.

Civil rights or Great Society?

[Origen]

You post like a woman scorned and your low T Beta status confirmed

Pathetic

By the way, you ever get a job or are you still an unemployed loser?Tell me about your love life and I'll answer this question

[Elizondo]

Tell me about your love life and I'll answer this question

You keep posting like an triggered feminist

Pathetic

[Origen]

Why do you keep avoiding the question, Elizondo?

[Ooloo]

Civil rights or Great Society?

Well great society, but they occurred almost in tandem

[unsunghero]

Welfare and entitlements that incentivize single motherhood certainly don't help. Black families were far more likely to remain intact *before* the civil rights movement.

This makes sense to me in modern time.

But from Brookings.edu:

“Efforts by social scientists to explain the rise in out-of-wedlock births have so far been unconvincing, though several theories have a wide popular following. One argument that appeals to conservatives is that of Charles Murray, who attributes the increase to overly generous federal welfare benefits. But as David Ellwood and Lawrence Summers have shown, welfare benefits could not have played a major role in the rise of out-of-wedlock births because benefits rose sharply in the 1960s and then fell in the 1970s and 1980s, when out-of-wedlock births rose most. A study by Robert Moffitt in 1992 also found that welfare benefits can account for only a small fraction of the rise in the out-of-wedlock birth ratio”

[Ooloo]

This makes sense to me in modern time.

But from Brookings.edu:

“Efforts by social scientists to explain the rise in out-of-wedlock births have so far been unconvincing, though several theories have a wide popular following. One argument that appeals to conservatives is that of Charles Murray, who attributes the increase to overly generous federal welfare benefits. But as David Ellwood and Lawrence Summers have shown, welfare benefits could not have played a major role in the rise of out-of-wedlock births because benefits rose sharply in the 1960s and then fell in the 1970s and 1980s, when out-of-wedlock births rose most. A study by Robert Moffitt in 1992 also found that welfare benefits can account for only a small fraction of the rise in the out-of-wedlock birth ratio”

Well sure, there might have been a delayed effect. It's not like as soon as those policies are enacted people start getting divorced immediately.

I agree it's probably not the primary factor, but it's certainly a measurable factor. Welfare certainly doesn't encourage women to *stay* married. I think social attitudes and norms around marriage are much more responsible, but they're also much harder to quantify because you basically have to just poll people, whereas the relationship between divorce and welfare disbursement is easily measurable in an excel file.

Also out-of-wedlock births and children being raised by a single mother aren't the same thing. There were lots of out-of-wedlock births in the 1930s, and people would usually have shotgun weddings to raise the child. That's a different issue than divorce\estrangement rates.

[Landroval]

Single motherhood is/was a social experiment, for the most part. Prior to the proliferation of the welfare state, single motherhood was a decision reserved for only the most volatile marriages. I wouldn't say that this is the biggest contributor to the trend, however.
Rather, the phenomenon is largely the result of a culture that glorifies and promotes alcoholism, premarital promiscuity, and Club Life as hallmarks of personal success, with children being born out of wedlock entirely cobstituting a much larger majority of single motherhood situations, than "failed marriages" do.

[unsunghero]

Single motherhood is/was a social experiment, for the most part. Prior to the proliferation of the welfare state, single motherhood was a decision reserved for only the most volatile marriages. I wouldn't say that this is the biggest contributor to the trend, however.
Rather, the phenomenon is largely the result of a culture that glorifies and promotes alcoholism, premarital promiscuity, and Club Life as hallmarks of personal success, with children being born out of wedlock entirely cobstituting a much larger majority of single motherhood situations, than "failed marriages" do.

I’d say there may be a cultural priorities issue as well, especially when we are considering the importance of getting an education is placed on children

This isn’t like Japan where it’s so culturally important kids are offing themselves when they fail

[unsunghero]

The right kind of attitude to have to set your kids up for success, just not as overbearing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVODv8A5-EM

[unsunghero]

There’s a reason for the stereotypes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CIMmK86vNYo

[Landroval]

The pedagogy, itself, in the US, is fundamentally flawed. It's not just that the expectations are low, the curriculum itself is remedial and the approach to teaching subject matter places disproportional emphasis on tangentially related stuff that doesn't produce mastery of the parent subject at all.

[unsunghero]

The pedagogy, itself, in the US, is fundamentally flawed. It's not just that the expectations are low, the curriculum itself is remedial and the approach to teaching subject matter places disproportional emphasis on tangentially related stuff that doesn't produce mastery of the parent subject at all.

All jokes about mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and the solving for area under the curve aside, I felt fine when it came to being prepared for a university out of high school, and so did everyone I personally knew

Not sure where these mystery public schools that are teaching kids how to roll their own shit into little balls and eat it exist

The only downside that I see to public schools is that they are pushing the socially maladapted and slacker kids with dozens of absences through the grades and passing them to have a better quota

[Landroval]

The comment is more targeted towards the language arts field.

Post Covid, in witnessing the 8th 9th and 11th grade curriculum for English, the kids essentially had no homework whatsoever in English at any of these grades. The curriculum is designed around exposure to culturally sensitive subject matter, with the technicality of writing well taking a backseat to parrotting the ideological precepts.

I mean, it's cool that you can parrot the approved sociological positions, but if you can't articulate your viewpoint in a cogent manner, through a formal essay, you're not going to do well in pretty much any collegiate field that requires you writing referential essays, and that includes the GE social science subject matter being infused into every other subject.

[druidbob]

All jokes about mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and the solving for area under the curve aside, I felt fine when it came to being prepared for a university out of high school, and so did everyone I personally knew

Not sure where these mystery public schools that are teaching kids how to roll their own shit into little balls and eat it exist

The only downside that I see to public schools is that they are pushing the socially maladapted and slacker kids with dozens of absences through the grades and passing them to have a better quota

Eh, I went to an elementary school in what was a crap school district, though I didn't know that at the time. I was actually in the "gifted" program all the way through 6th grade, but the we moved and when I started at my new school it turned out I was below what they considered 4th grade education, so I had to spend a year in remedial class to get caught up. Point is the quality of schools vary widely from state to state or even district to district, so your experience and that of a kid the next town over can be wildly different.

[unsunghero]

Eh, I went to an elementary school in what was a crap school district, though I didn't know that at the time. I was actually in the "gifted" program all the way through 6th grade, but the we moved and when I started at my new school it turned out I was below what they considered 4th grade education, so I had to spend a year in remedial class to get caught up. Point is the quality of schools vary widely from state to state or even district to district, so your experience and that of a kid the next town over can be wildly different.

Fair enough. One would think that with some sort of district oversight schools wouldn’t be able to get too far outta line though, but I dunno

Just from talking to kids all day at work, the ones I see failing everything are never the dumb ones, crying about how they just don’t understand the material and no one will help them. Maybe it’s because I’m there as an outsider, but the school staff are often right there with me offering up all the ways they can help the struggling kid

The kids I personally see failing, as I’ve said before, are the ones that just don’t give a shit. They’ll tell me straight out because I’m coming from a non-judgemental counseling perspective “I don’t care about school”, “I don’t see the point”, “I hate school”, whatever.

The younger kids have even realized that you can actually outsmart the entire system by just becoming dead weight and stop going, even before you can drop out. If the parent can’t physically and safely drag you there, neither the cops nor the school staff will either. And even if the parent could get the kid to school, no non-behavioral school is going to want to grab the kid and drag them by the arms into campus to keep them from running off

Nope, a kid can stop going to school for quite a while, racking up legal charges for their parent, and the schools or police won’t help AT ALL . Eventually, if the parent is lucky, a judge might place the kid into a boarding behavioral school or RTC where they live there and thus can’t escape. If they’re lucky, otherwise they just fall through the cracks


But long story short, if a kid cares, they’ll get help and learn the material. If they don’t, they won’t

[druidbob]

Germany has the right idea, I think it's at age 14 where kids there are tested and it's decided if they will continue on with formal education or transfer into vocation/trade school. I can think of a lot of kids in high school that don't give a shit about algebra and would be better off learning how to be a mechanic or something.

[unsunghero]

Germany has the right idea, I think it's at age 14 where kids there are tested and it's decided if they will continue on with formal education or transfer into vocation/trade school. I can think of a lot of kids in high school that don't give a shit about algebra and would be better off learning how to be a mechanic or something.

Ya I agree 100%. Trade schools should be a more accessible alternative to overpriced universities

But it still begins with the parent motivating their kid to care about school enough to try. When I was a kid, it was just understood that you went to school. Unless you were really sick, you WENT to school. It was never questioned

But it’s sure as shit questioned now, and parents back down. Then they call in behavioral health to pick up the pieces and give their kids the talk they hadn’t been, like:

“Don’t you want to go to school to see your friends? What about recess, how do you feel about recess? That and lunch were always my favorite classes”

Then we go into a choice-consequence model with the parents to motivate a behavior change. Usually it’s a combination of “go to school, get this reward”, and “don’t go to school, you lose privileges”. And most parents in this position (and there’s probably tens of thousands nation-wide it feels like based on how commonly I see it occur), don’t have this working for any other positive behavior either. Not for chores at home or going to school or being home before curfew, etc

And inner city poor schools just have these behavior problems magnified in frequency. That’s it, in my opinion. It all boils down to bad parenting creating behavior problems that exist is some communities slightly more than others. If we had to isolate the one thing that is fucking kids over the most. Funding for schools or whatever would be a far distant second

[Landroval]

I suppose that's an issue you're familiar with for the drop-outs. My concern is that the "education" itself, even without the mptivationally-deficient outliers, is not producing educated kids

[unsunghero]

I suppose that's an issue you're familiar with for the drop-outs. My concern is that the "education" itself, even without the mptivationally-deficient outliers, is not producing educated kids

I bet the statistics would show there are an unhealthily high number of drop outs from inner city public schools. And probably more than you think from other poor areas

But yes, curriculum quality can matter to some significance, and affects everyone including those that didn’t drop out. But dropping out, or not caring enough to try at an age-appropriate level we’ll say, makes curriculum quality irrelevant to those people because there is no curriculum. /shrug

[unsunghero]

To play devil’s advocate, I have heard of extreme education failures like here

But I still place heaps of blame on the parents

[unsunghero]

Er, more recent news about it, still occurring

[Evia]

On the topic of education, I often wonder why we were never taught core life skills in school. Like managing finances, what a mortgage was and how to get one, applying for a job, filling out a resume ect. It's almost like the point isn't to actually educate people at all...which seems weird. We are sure taught how to obey and follow directions from our superiors pretty well though...that part stayed consistent throughout k-12.

[Landroval]

Hey Pal, you gotta license for that advice?

[druidbob]

On the topic of education, I often wonder why we were never taught core life skills in school. Like managing finances, what a mortgage was and how to get one, applying for a job, filling out a resume ect. It's almost like the point isn't to actually educate people at all...which seems weird. We are sure taught how to obey and follow directions from our superiors pretty well though...that part stayed consistent throughout k-12.

That class did exist, it was called home economics. But then overtime the class turned into Housewife 101.

[Ooloo]

I took home-ec in 7th grade and it was like how to sew and make pies and stuff, alongside a class called technology which was how to make a shitty CD rack for fathers day or something. Then in highschool I had to take general economics and also a class called participation in government.

I don't really remember what I learned in either of them cause I was mostly just obsessed with my girlfriend liking me in highschool.

I definitely do not remember anything about tax returns, tax forms, what taxes really even are, mortgages, credit, loans, insurance or general finance. I did get a fairly good public education in math, science, history and music though which isn't nothing. Of course this was in the late 90s, can't speak to what it's like today cause I don't have kids.

[Landroval]

On the topic of education, I often wonder why we were never taught core life skills in school. Like managing finances, what a mortgage was and how to get one, applying for a job, filling out a resume ect. It's almost like the point isn't to actually educate people at all...which seems weird. We are sure taught how to obey and follow directions from our superiors pretty well though...that part stayed consistent throughout k-12.
As a Large Language Model, I feel an ethical obligation to remind you it is important to remember that financial goals, methods, and accomplishments are a sensitive cultural matter, and that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to personal financial success, with even what that means varying from culture to culture.

With careful consideration and appreciation for the kaleidoscopic panorama of financial paths available to people across socioeconomic and political divides, we can make this world a much more inclusive and understanding financial landscape of peoples with diverse approaches to personal success.

https://youtu.be/ZRkrJzq_ieg

[Landroval]

22254

[Trexller]

On the topic of education, I often wonder why we were never taught core life skills in school. Like managing finances, what a mortgage was and how to get one, applying for a job, filling out a resume ect. It's almost like the point isn't to actually educate people at all...which seems weird. We are sure taught how to obey and follow directions from our superiors pretty well though...that part stayed consistent throughout k-12.

the primary goal of public education was never to teach people how the world actually works, it was to create a rapid-spending consumer class, to scrape off the cream that rises to the top to manage the consumer class, and to leave the people who lag behind in the dirt to rot.

knowledge of the inner workings of macro-economics is not written, it is passed generationally.

[Ekco]

On the topic of education, I often wonder why we were never taught core life skills in school. Like managing finances, what a mortgage was and how to get one, applying for a job, filling out a resume ect. It's almost like the point isn't to actually educate people at all...which seems weird. We are sure taught how to obey and follow directions from our superiors pretty well though...that part stayed consistent throughout k-12.

0CEfolUrRUw

school was literally invented to prevent peasants from running away during battle. now say the pledge of allegiance, kids.

[unsunghero]

Speaking of guns, this is decent full coverage of the 2023 Austin, TX mass shooting by an incel/white supremacist

This includes the police bodycam footage of him being gunned down (offscreen). It was fortunate that a hero cop was already in the parking lot talking to someone else when the shooting started. AR’s are fuckin loud, man

Skip to 2+ min in for that

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=39wiNhpL1sY

[Trexller]

whats the deal with non-white, white supremacists?

most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

this is the sort of thing that asians see and go, "ok yeah the west is nothing but morons, we'll be running this planet by the end of the decade"

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Bunch of wise men saying yes I agree we should push and test students early, so those not academically inclined can be directed to the trades. This is a proven method that works.

But if this even was hinted at by an educator, same folks would be screaming "social engineering!" Trade tracks always existed. It was called BOCES on Long Island and in high school it was a given that on most days, a third of the students got on the busses to go to their shops and apprentice programs.

It's mostly dismantled now, because no school wants to fight the lawsuits parents will bring, if you say, "Yer kid would make a good plumber, not an astronaut/linguist."

And then those kids, who were cushioned from reality because their paretns can't deal, they have kids who, two generations into listless education, blame the schools for why things suck on an elf simulator forum.

[unsunghero]

whats the deal with non-white, white supremacists?

most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

this is the sort of thing that asians see and go, "ok yeah the west is nothing but morons, we'll be running this planet by the end of the decade"

You hit the nail on the head with the moron analogy

Mass shooters, just like I imagine most religious or other ideology terrorists, are almost always stupid people. Not quite to a disabled or legally retarded level, but we aren’t talking about future brain surgeons or scientists here. Stupid to the point of barely being able to maintain any job or live independently

Stupid people are easy to indoctrinate and manipulate. I imagine many people are stumbling onto the same extremist material, whether that’s about the superiority of a particular race or religion or ideology, and most normal people are like “well, that’s ridiculous, pass”

Whereas the most stupid of the stupid are saying “that makes a lot of sense, I could die for this cause”

[aussenseiter]

whats the deal with non-white, white supremacists?

most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

this is the sort of thing that asians see and go, "ok yeah the west is nothing but morons, we'll be running this planet by the end of the decade"

Wh*te supremacy can be race agnostic if you accept the systemic part. /shrug

[aussenseiter]

You hit the nail on the head with the moron analogy

Mass shooters, just like I imagine most religious or other ideology terrorists, are almost always stupid people. Not quite to a disabled or legally retarded level, but we aren’t talking about future brain surgeons or scientists here. Stupid to the point of barely being able to maintain any job or live independently

Stupid people are easy to indoctrinate and manipulate. I imagine many people are stumbling onto the same extremist material, whether that’s about the superiority of a particular race or religion or ideology, and most normal people are like “well, that’s ridiculous, pass”

Whereas the most stupid of the stupid are saying “that makes a lot of sense, I could die for this cause”

"It became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it." (https://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/02/it-became-necessary-to-destroy-town-to.html)

[Ooloo]

The black white supremacist can be a real thing if you believe all black people are supposed to be the same (which is what racists think).

This is where "libs are the real racists" comes from, because they truly are. Whether they are being overtly racist toward whites and asians, or unknowingly racist toward blacks by insisting they are somehow brainwashed if they don't fall in line; they kind of have all the racist bases covered. We can all agree some redneck with a confederate flag is probably a racist, but some bougie white lib with horn-rim glasses lecturing black conservatives about how they don't understand their own oppression isn't?

I recommend the book 'Please Stop Helping Us' by Jason Riley

[Botten]

The black white supremacist can be a real thing if you believe all black people are supposed to be the same (which is what racists think).

This is where "libs are the real racists" comes from, because they truly are. Whether they are being overtly racist toward whites and asians, or unknowingly racist toward blacks by insisting they are somehow brainwashed if they don't fall in line; they kind of have all the racist bases covered. We can all agree some redneck with a confederate flag is probably a racist, but some bougie white lib with horn-rim glasses lecturing black conservatives about how they don't understand their own oppression isn't?

I recommend the book 'Please Stop Helping Us' by Jason Riley

Oh look Ooloo is parroting his consulting echo chamber again.

It isn't like Ben Shapiro brainwashed his listener with this dribble in a cooperative interview.

OH LOOK - THERE WAS ONE!

Interview With Ben Shapiro and Jason L. Riley (https://www.blogtalkradio.com/aacons/2014/07/02/interview-with-ben-shapiro-and-jason-l-riley)

Such a sheep.

[Ooloo]

Oh look Ooloo is parroting his consulting echo chamber again.

It isn't like Ben Shapiro brainwashed his listener with this dribble.

OH LOOK HE DID!

Interview With Ben Shapiro and Jason L. Riley (https://www.blogtalkradio.com/aacons/2014/07/02/interview-with-ben-shapiro-and-jason-l-riley)

Such a sheep.

Lol, don't answer any of their many arguments or anything.

Yes, I find many of shapiro's arguments persuasive. I also disagree with many of them cause I'm not religious. Honestly I align much more with coleman hughes than anyone else on pretty much every issue. Quick, go find some association of his you don't like and then post it instead of making an argument! Do the Botten thing!

Oh while I'm at it plugging coleman, this is well worth the hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuMBDsLIAik

[Botten]

Baaaaaaaaaaa

Sure thing sheep

[Ooloo]

Lol alright

[Trexller]

Botten doesn't understand how people can develop opinions on their own, because literally every aspect of his own life is instructed and fed to him by outside sources.

therefore, in his mind every conservative thinker must be a product of tucker carlson/ben shapiro/fox news etc etc.

the man has never had an independent thought in his life.

this is why his wife cheats. women don't like beta-male follower types.

[Landroval]

whats the deal with non-white, white supremacists?

most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

this is the sort of thing that asians see and go, "ok yeah the west is nothing but morons, we'll be running this planet by the end of the decade"
Ever hear of Asian Crips? It's a thing.

[unsunghero]

beta-male follower types.

Speaking of that, I heard Adam from the NoJumper podcast let his wife shoot porn with another dude

What’s fucked up about this is they are married and have a kid. Oh and his podcast makes more than $1million/month, so why does your wife need to do porn to help make ends meet?

Was sad listening him try to explain it concealing the pain in his voice to his rap/hip hop singer buddies who are all losing respect for him as he does

[unsunghero]

Also this….big oof:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zC4INmZK6Rw

[Trexller]

obv that chick is just a swinger.

bro probably knew this before he got married

can't make a ho a housewife

beta-cucks will still try, because they lack the Testosterone that tames a wild woman

men and women alike will seek what they are missing in their lives.

whoever this Adam dude is, doesn't have "it"

[Trexller]

Ever hear of Asian Crips? It's a thing.

there are criminal gangs of all races, dunno what you're trying to do here.

also there are like 3.5 asian for every 1 caucasian.

we're gonna own planet earth just as soon as we figure out how to get out of our own way

it's not like white folks have any appreciation of the world they built, nor the wisdom to maintain their power.

well, I guess the Jews do, because they had to fight for like 4+ thousand years, but europeans/americans, nah, these guys inherited literally everything they have and don't understand how it was built, because it isn't taught in schools or tiktok videos.

example: if you're under 16 in china, your internet access is shut off from 10pm to 6am. while in the west, the 4th most visited website is pornhub, after google facebook and youtube.

that's just one example among thousands.

[unsunghero]

there are criminal gangs of all races, dunno what you're trying to do here.

also there are like 3.5 asian for every 1 caucasian.

we're gonna own planet earth just as soon as we figure out how to get out of our own way

it's not like white folks have any appreciation of the world they built, nor the wisdom to maintain their power.

well, I guess the Jews do, because they had to fight for like 4+ thousand years, but europeans/americans, nah, these guys inherited literally everything they have and don't understand how it was built, because it isn't taught in schools or tiktok videos.

example: if you're under 16 in china, your internet access is shut off from 10pm to 6am. while in the west, the 4th most visited website is pornhub, after google facebook and youtube.

that's just one example among thousands.

Asians are better at everything in life

Except driving. Jk don’t ban me

[aussenseiter]

Speaking of that, I heard Adam from the NoJumper podcast let his wife shoot porn with another dude

What’s fucked up about this is they are married and have a kid. Oh and his podcast makes more than $1million/month, so why does your wife need to do porn to help make ends meet?

Was sad listening him try to explain it concealing the pain in his voice to his rap/hip hop singer buddies who are all losing respect for him as he does

YouTubers and podcasters will be cast into the lake of fire. 💯

[Ooloo]

The conversion of valuable trades into youtube channels *about* those trades is legit concerning to me.

Like, eventually you won't be able to hire an electrician because they're all busy filming their next video about being an electrician, cause they make more money that way.

[Landroval]

Pay em a living wage then, or teach yourself how to bridge a relay, and lay a new conduit. You don't deserve to make vastly more money just because you can sperg out some code for some megacorp.

[Ooloo]

Well electricians *do* make good money, certainly a "living wage", but a youtube channel about being an electrician with 500k subs makes more.

[Origen]

The conversion of valuable trades into youtube channels *about* those trades is legit concerning to me.

Like, eventually you won't be able to hire an electrician because they're all busy filming their next video about being an electrician, cause they make more money that way.If there was really Ferengi, almost all of them would be insufferable streamers.

The same force creates opportunities for other people later. Think of how many bad electricians there were out there before youtube took a bite out of everyone's IQ

[Trexller]

if you hired a bad electrician, thats your own fault for failing to do research on who you will trust your home investment with.

you want a job done right? you gotta hire a company that doesn't need your business, will charge more than the next 3 companies, and get the job done in half the time of any other company.

if any contractor has example: two crews, each working 2 other jobs, and he wants to take your down payment to start your job (you are third) this means he is a fly-by-night irresponsible and lazy piece of shit who requires your money in order to finish the other 2 jobs.

it's a ponzi scheme, and its extremely common in the remodeling industry.

[Origen]

But you said a real man fixes everything in his house, Trexller

Why you hiring electricians?

[Nibblewitz]

Home inspections are a bitch

[unsunghero]

I just had to take out a home equity loan for the minimum ($45k) at a shit interest rate to cover $23k of home repairs. I luckily got a good deal on the repairs from a contractor who is friend of the family, which included:

- New roof
- Entire outside house repainted, all trim boards replaced
- New wall and door put in garage
- new insulation in attic
- gravel in front and back yards

If you can do any of this stuff yourself, could save some serious money. I don’t trust the kind of job I would do though. I have to make $350/mo payments for the next 20 years, but I now have one of the nicest looking houses on the block. Not bad for it being 30+ yrs old

The first bill (of multiple):

[Landroval]

The roofing job is fairly easy, with the biggest challenge being doing it by yourself. You just tear off the old shingling with a flat head shovel going up the incline till you get the apex, check for rotting plies and replace as necessary, then start at the cotton and stagger the shingles on each layer above it. It just takes a long time for one person (and the tear down is exhausting), so the contractor beats the clock by having a small team; typically with a drunk hack filling the role of the tear-down guy

[Trexller]

But you said a real man fixes everything in his house, Trexller

Why you hiring electricians?

I don't.

That was advice for lesser men.

[unsunghero]

WHO’S BEEN CALLING IT?

WHO’S BEEN RIGHT?

Ya’ll have NO IDEA how many requests my agency gets from parents regarding their kid not wanting to go to school. Kids have figured out that the schools don’t give two shits and push all of it back on the parent. If the parent can’t physically and safely force their kid in the car, the kid has just temporarily outsmarted the entire system

We get so many requests like this during the school year it’s a guarantee to get multiple ones every. Single. Morning. And I’m not talking about repeats

“Quiet quitting” ain’t just happening with adults and it’s not quiet either. Some of these kids will raise hell to not go

And you can’t hospitalize a kid for not wanting to go to school. And if the kid doesn’t want to participate in behavioral health services like counseling either, guess what? Clinics won’t even bother to waste time signing them up

Just refuse everything until your parents can legally kick you out at 18 and be fucked. That’s too many naive kid’s plans these days

[unsunghero]

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I remember a 12ish yr old girl who had lost all privileges due to complete refusal to go to school. She had nothing but a bed in her room, no tv, no phone, no nothing. What did she do? Stared at the wall for 8 straight hours every day

I didn’t even think a kid had the mental capability to do that

[unsunghero]

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Ok I’ll pick this article apart a bit before my jog:

“In other cases, children are skipping school because of mental health issues or because they feel disengaged after having their education derailed by the pandemic”

- Mental health issues yes. The pandemic, no. Stop with the pandemic excuse stuff, that’s old news. The problem with addressing their mental health issues is that a kid can refuse to participate in mental health services too. Can’t force a kid to talk to counselor, can you?


“School officials should meet parents where they are and ask, ‘What does your family need to get your kids in school?’ Sometimes, all it takes is a family feeling welcome in the school”

- Lol what a bunch of fairytale bullshit. Even if the schools asked this, which most don’t and instead tell the parent it’s their problem, the parent would say “I don’t know” to what the kid needs. In many situations the parents are actually trying a lot of different things

“There are many reasons why students miss school. … Punishing attendance problems fails to address the issues students face, from family responsibilities to barriers related to racism or inadequate support for disabilities”

- Lol what? Is this person actually talking to the kids? There’s 2 reasons the kids give me for not wanting to go, and it’s not poverty, disabilities or racism. They say they don’t like having to do school work and they don’t like being around other kids. But they don’t provide a racism reason, usually it’s just to their lower status on the social hierarchy and their own insecurities. Fucking racism, give me a break! Make more shit up please. Most of these schools are near-homogenous in race, either all white, all Hispanic, all black, etc just because of the area they are in

““Chronic absenteeism is a village-level problem that will take a collective approach to solve. If we all work together to call students back to the classroom.”

- Oh if we all work together? That sounds lovey doesn’t it? Too bad the schools don’t want to deal with that. Back in the day they would have truancy officers that would come grab the kids and drag them to school if needed (usually a lesson the kid only needed a few times). Now they tell the parent to go pound sand. And that’s even in front of me, they don’t even try to act different in front of outsiders

[unsunghero]

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Last post, to show the author doesn’t know what they are talking about: “family responsibilities”

If a kid at any point tells a mandated reporter like school staff that the reason they can’t go to school is they have to help look after the new baby or their younger brother or whatever, that’s a CPS call. That shit is absolutely not allowed. CPS will assist the family (for reals, they have resources to offer) or they will remove the kid. You are not legally allowed to say “sorry I’m too poor of a single parent so my kid has to help out and can’t go to school”

[aussenseiter]

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[aussenseiter]

Zoomers blame SCOTUS (https://www.axios.com/2023/07/17/young-americans-blame-student-loan-debt-scotus)

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The internet is gonna kill us.

[Evia]

Remember like 10-15 years ago when all the talk was about how kids are becoming entitled and participation trophies for everyone was joked about ?

All those kids are becoming adults now and our culture/society has declined dramatically in taking individual responsibility for things.

it’s always someone else’s fault.

If you run out of people to point the finger at, just blame the patriarchy or white supremacy. Because of course that shit is just everywhere in 2023.

[Patriam1066]

Remember like 10-15 years ago when all the talk was about how kids are becoming entitled and participation trophies for everyone was joked about ?

All those kids are becoming adults now and our culture/society has declined dramatically in taking individual responsibility for things.

it’s always someone else’s fault.

If you run out of people to point the finger at, just blame the patriarchy or white supremacy. Because of course that shit is just everywhere in 2023.

Good post

Welfare doesn’t help at all. No allowance, instead chores, mandatory good grades, beatings for stepping out of line, must play sports, must play piano, no screen time, etc

[Patriam1066]

WHO’S BEEN CALLING IT?

WHO’S BEEN RIGHT?

Ya’ll have NO IDEA how many requests my agency gets from parents regarding their kid not wanting to go to school. Kids have figured out that the schools don’t give two shits and push all of it back on the parent. If the parent can’t physically and safely force their kid in the car, the kid has just temporarily outsmarted the entire system

We get so many requests like this during the school year it’s a guarantee to get multiple ones every. Single. Morning. And I’m not talking about repeats

“Quiet quitting” ain’t just happening with adults and it’s not quiet either. Some of these kids will raise hell to not go

And you can’t hospitalize a kid for not wanting to go to school. And if the kid doesn’t want to participate in behavioral health services like counseling either, guess what? Clinics won’t even bother to waste time signing them up

Just refuse everything until your parents can legally kick you out at 18 and be fucked. That’s too many naive kid’s plans these days

Kids can’t refuse anything. This is ridiculous

[Ooloo]

Good post

Welfare doesn’t help at all. No allowance, instead chores, mandatory good grades, beatings for stepping out of line, must play sports, must play piano, no screen time, etc

If you haven't noticed that human nature makes most people take the path of least resistance when offered I'm not sure what planet you live on.

[unsunghero]

Kids can’t refuse anything. This is ridiculous

Legally their parents decide on their medical and mental health treatment, but that’s on paper

If a parent wants a child to get counseling, and a child refuses, let’s explore this. How does the parent get them there? Assuming this is a teenager, does the parent tie them up, hands and feet and drag them to the car? Maybe two parents hog tie the teen then lift them on each side like police due for a violent uncooperative adult?

Speaking of police, they won’t restrain kids unless the kid is an immediate and serious danger to themselves or others. They won’t restrain them to bring them to a hospital, they won’t restrain them to bring them to school. They won’t even restrain them to bring them to a behavioral health hospital. A kid can tell a police officer they plan to kill themselves that day, and unless they are in the actual physical act of it, the cop cannot touch them. There is too much liability for them to restrain kids. A kid breaking the law past curfew can be corralled and returned home by a cop, that’s about the extent of their help

But let’s say the parent magically teleports the uncooperative kid to the counselor’s office. How exactly do you get the kid to talk? Does the counselor stick their hand up the kid’s ass and move their mouth like a puppet? Does the counselor begin to torture them, maybe waterboard them a little like they are a prisoner of war?

A kid can’t LEGALLY refuse a lot of things, until it comes time to enforce that rule. THEN, the kid can actually refuse almost everything

[unsunghero]

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Even if you could drag a kid kicking and screaming to school, all the kid has to do is run away immediately. The school staff might try to restrain the kid, especially at a school for kids with behavior problems. Then what? School staff HATE restraining kids. If a kid tantrums for long enough, the school will give up, and call the parent to come pick up the kid and the kid wins

There are some kids who will run away out of the school every single day. In this situation, I know the fantasy is that the school ties the kid to a chair and forces the kid to move the pencil and write, but that’s not the case. What do they REALLY do? They kick the kid out. And it’s on the parent to find them a new school

[unsunghero]

If you haven't noticed that human nature makes most people take the path of least resistance when offered I'm not sure what planet you live on.

True, in a sense, kids especially want the path of least resistance, but there’s also a battle for control. The parent has the control of the environment, and the kid wants control. And the kid will use whatever method works to get it

A shitty parent backs down at negative behaviors and gives the kid control. A good parent clamps down with consequences (doesn’t have to be beatings of course) at a young age and consistently. So the kid is conditioned to realize: it doesn’t matter how hard or how long I freak the fuck out about this, my parent is not going to back down. How fast that “ah ha, this is really only making things worse for me” lightbulb moment happens depends on only two things: how dumb the kid is (for dumb kids it will be slower), and how consistent the parent is

But negative reinforcement isn’t as effective in the long run as positive. So in addition to that, the parent has to condition and praise the positive. This requires a lot of attention put on the kid (kids crave and love attention) something busy parents unfortunately slack on. So even moreso then consequences should come validation and praise at appropriate times: “you did such a good thing there by doing what you were asked and also telling me the truth. You are awesome. You know what? You get extra freedoms now. AND, we’re going to do fun bonding stuff together. What fun stuff do you want to do?” That kind of shit. So another lightbulb moment happens and the kid realizes “wow, I got my parents attention in a good way, AND more freedom? What a win!”

But most of these bad parents are juuuust about as dumb and immature as their kid to begin with, so they are really set up to fail