Level 60 v Level 60 - no gear

[Seducio]

Out of the 14 classes which does best in 1on1s with no gear on.

In this no gear scenario each class has all their spells, yet no equipment and no items. Therefore no pets that would require a regeant.

It's no hold's barred. Lord of the Flies. Only it's series of 1on1s rather than a royal rumble. Best of the Best of all classes while naked.

Who comes out on top. Wizard? Cleric? You decide.

[Ghost of Starman]

Well, monk fists are like 14/26 at 60, so it's probably a matter of if a caster can nuke them down before they get chewed up and interrupted by the push.

Actually, forgot about root lol, prob gonna be a caster that can heal and stun then, so prob cleric?

[Castle2.0]

Bard. Melee will never catch and caster will never land. Bard will just keep charming and sending mobs in.

Do mages get 1 malachite? Epic is a spell. Do they get it?

In arena with no mobs?

This is why there is no clear answer.

[Seducio]

Ya like I mentioned in first post: No reagents, but yes to all spells. I didn't mention if there were charmable mobs, but lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

Therefore Mages, Necros, SKs, and Enchanters won't be able to get their normal summonable pets out. Nothing around to charm either. Limits things a little for Enchanter and Bard.

They might have other tricks though. The PVP setting might bring out different spells than normal usage. Red players probably would have interesting answers on this one. For instance a Bard constantly mesmerizing a caster may be a way to neutralize casters.

Monks and Bards interesting choices so far. Does a bard have a means to cancel a root when naked?

[sajbert]

Wizard. No gear, no mr and easy root. Damage shield to help prod up hp. Stuns. Nukes that’ll destroy low hp players. Invis and see invis.

[Jimjam]

Imo druid

[Infectious]

Enchanter it's not close. Buffless mez lands. Just mez, nuke and tap until their dead, can keep them stun locked the whole fight

[BigPlays]

Enchanter. Mez/Nuke repeat

[Castle2.0]

Bard will end up chain mezz + mana drain casters with no MR. Melees won't be able to catch bards.

No arrows, shurikens, etc. so no range.

Bard wins. Easy.

[Vivitron]

Looking for ways to kill the enchanter without letting him get a mez off, assuming we aren't starting in pbaoe range -- I think a wizard combo of https://wiki.project1999.com/Tishan%27s_Discord -> https://wiki.project1999.com/Markar%27s_Discord -> https://wiki.project1999.com/Ice_Spear_of_Solist would do it.

[sajbert]

Enchanter it's not close. Buffless mez lands. Just mez, nuke and tap until their dead, can keep them stun locked the whole fight

wiz stun same cast speed, unless aoe range in which case wiz can still shadowstep at same speed. one stun and nuke = dead chanter.

charmed pet would spice things up a bit.

[sajbert]

Bard will end up chain mezz + mana drain casters with no MR. Melees won't be able to catch bards.

No arrows, shurikens, etc. so no range.

Bard wins. Easy.

this suggestion is interesting for sure, one fizzle and you’re dead though.

[Castle2.0]

Nah, mez lasts 3 tics and like all bard songs 3 sec cast and like most, no recast time.

Mez / drain / mez / drain

[Infectious]

Nah, mez lasts 3 tics and like all bard songs 3 sec cast and like most, no recast time.

Mez / drain / mez / drain

Gmr and arch magi combined resist Bard mez everytime. Not the other way aaround. Not to mention the nuke has a stun at the end. The Bard can do nothing.

[Castle2.0]

Nah.

[Balimon]

If Mages had every spell that would include the epic pet, it doesn't require a reagant. I don't think they would come on out top with it, but thought I'd mention it because they could probably merc a few classes with it

[sajbert]

Nah, mez lasts 3 tics and like all bard songs 3 sec cast and like most, no recast time.

Mez / drain / mez / drain

Stun is faster cast tho, one stun = dead bard

[Noren]

Can't perma Mez a level 60. (Or am I wrong?)
Chaining rapture won't be very efficient.

[Castle2.0]

Stun is faster cast tho, one stun = dead bard

Nah.

Mez only wins if the enc is smashing it waiting for the bard to come in range.

However, what the enc doesn't know is the bard hits DA song before coming in range. As soon as mez tries to land, bard clicks off DA song and now the enc has a 2.25sec recast timer on it on top of 2.5sec cast.

Bard nails the enc with his 3 sec mez, then it's game over.

:cool:

[Castle2.0]

Also, enc only gets a single shot with rapture. 24 sec recast, oof.

Also Puretone disc gives you 2.8 modifier for 4 minutes. Nothing else is likely to land on a bard who comes in stacked with resist songs.

Also, nah.

[Zuranthium]

Mez only wins if the enc is smashing it waiting for the bard to come in range.

However, what the enc doesn't know is the bard hits DA song before coming in range. As soon as mez tries to land, bard clicks off DA song and now the enc has a 2.25sec recast timer on it on top of 2.5sec cast.

Why are you assuming the fight starts out of cast range. If the characters are being dropped into the middle of the arena within range to get a quick spell off before being able to kite away, then it goes like this:

Cleric > Wizard > Enchanter > Necromancer > Bard

That's the order of stun speed each class has and the winner is just going to be who locks the other person out of the fight first.

[Infectious]

Also, enc only gets a single shot with rapture. 24 sec recast, oof.

Also Puretone disc gives you 2.8 modifier for 4 minutes. Nothing else is likely to land on a bard who comes in stacked with resist songs.

Also, nah.

I will take this duel on red if you have a naked 60 Bard. What you willing to bet?

[Castle2.0]

Why are you assuming the fight starts out of cast range. If the characters are being dropped into the middle of the arena within range to get a quick spell off before being able to kite away, then it goes like this:

Cleric > Wizard > Enchanter > Necromancer > Bard

That's the order of stun speed each class has and the winner is just going to be who locks the other person out of the fight first.

Nah.

I assume the fight takes place on a very serious planet designed specifically for this highly realistic scenario.

Therefore, out of casting range.

[Trelaboon]

I don’t really think there’s a single class that could kill all of the other 13. Bard probably has the highest chance though. Casters can just low level DoT themselves to break Enchanter mezzes etc.

I think Necro is a good contender being able to both do damage as well as tap, and they’re one class that could handle Bards. Lifetap is virtually irresistible

[fortior]

When naked and starting unbuffed, invisibility also becomes relevant

[Seducio]

Initial spell choice, GCD, and RNG all would play a part of who wins in addition to class choice.

As in both skill and luck would matter in these fights.

[Seducio]

Don't want to overemphasize luck actually. It's probably that skill >> luck most of the time while every now and again luck > skill.

[BigPlays]

I think if a necro can get off a low lv DoT on themselves they are probably a good contender since they can lifetap for what? 500 dmg? How many HP does say a naked warrior have? 2k tops? so and enchanter probably has half that. Cleric can just chain stun though as well. It is a tough call. In the end I think the skill of the player is top priority

[Castle2.0]

When naked and starting unbuffed, invisibility also becomes relevant

Won a few fights on RZ as a rogue because of this =)

Also, necro lifetap is like 330 and all spells are reduced to 66% in PvP, so like 220.

[sajbert]

Bard DA sounds cute but if we're gonna theorycraft this battle the wizard could just yonder if stun doesn't land due to DA and the repeat the kill.

a wiz with self-buffs should survive a harmtouch too.

[Jimjam]

Won a few fights on RZ as a rogue because of this =)

Also, necro lifetap is like 330 and all spells are reduced to 66% in PvP, so like 220.

Advantage Wood Elf Rogue in Kunark as it can forage an Iksar Phalange (https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Phalange) to back stab ...

Is that permitted in the rules?

Hell, if you start naked, can you just beat up mobs in zone to take their loot while the pvp battle is happening?

Also, mind trick spell have varying effectiveness depending on which pvp ruleset / era is being used. Like is this duel, arena, red server???

[Seducio]

depending on which pvp ruleset / era is being used. Like is this duel, arena, red server???

This era. So this server but in the arena. Think like the Best of the Best contests that were run in the past but with any of the 14 classes as a participant that is level 60 with no gear, no items, etc. while having all spells and all songs.

[Castle2.0]

Bard DA sounds cute but if we're gonna theorycraft this battle the wizard could just yonder if stun doesn't land due to DA and the repeat the kill.

a wiz with self-buffs should survive a harmtouch too.

Yonder sounds cute, but good luck with your 50 distance unlucky yonder with 5 second recast.

If not, bard kites for another 10 min until DA back online =)

[Castle2.0]

If we assume perfect decision-making and perfect execution, and no armor/items so it's purely class vs class, bard wins.

Don't forget bards can LoS casters pretty easily. They just peak for LoS when the song is going to land.

[Castle2.0]

Also, there are some AE songs that would be interesting to use as well. Can start casting them outside of spell range then run in on the no-sow wiz/nec/enc to land faster than their stuns.

Depends on what patch era we are on. Charming and fearing players was fun. Even once they patched that, for a while since the bard fear was AE you could still hit players.

Level 15 AE mez got mega nerfed, but for a season it was hugely OP.

[Seducio]

What if your opponent is also a bard?

[Vivitron]

Also, there are some AE songs that would be interesting to use as well. Can start casting them outside of spell range then run in on the no-sow wiz/nec/enc to land faster than their stuns.

That would be interesting to see. 200 range typical offense spell - 35 claimed wiki denon's bereavement range = 165 range to run while the target casts. A puretone bard can strafe-run that in about 2.12 seconds; with practice you could probably land it and get out without eating a 2.5sec mez, but I'm doubtful many could consistently execute that without eating a 2.25 second tishan's discord (edit: listed wrong wizard spell).

I'm not sure if any stun/mez level caps apply in pvp except that you can't ae mez yourself? I know I ate an ae mez from an opponent in the arena once, but haven't tested more than that.

[Castle2.0]

What if your opponent is also a bard?

Nah. Bard wins.


That would be interesting to see. 200 range typical offense spell - 35 claimed wiki denon's bereavement range = 165 range to run while the target casts. A puretone bard can strafe-run that in about 2.12 seconds; with practice you could probably land it and get out without eating a 2.5sec mez, but I'm doubtful many could consistently execute that without eating a 2.25 second tishan's discord (edit: listed wrong wizard spell).

I'm not sure if any stun/mez level caps apply in pvp except that you can't ae mez yourself? I know I ate an ae mez from an opponent in the arena once, but haven't tested more than that.

You don't need to get out. You land a single fear, mez, or stun that allows you to start chain mezzing. Game over.

[Seducio]

Nah. Bard wins.

Bard also loses that one.

[Castle2.0]

Bard also loses that one.

Nah, bard always wins.

[Seducio]

Low awareness bards sing well that's for sure. Vegas is calling you my friend.

[Castle2.0]

Low awareness bards sing well that's for sure. Vegas is calling you my friend.

Nah, bards always win.

[Seducio]

<inserts spiderman pointing at spiderman meme>

You're always right of course. Every second of every day. You knew when you were born. Good on ya.

In all seriousness. Take a look at the mirror. Having the capacity of self reflection is one of those adult maneuvers you have yet to figure out. Good luck out there amigo.

[Kruel]

most likely wizard. Necro would use shadow step and just lifetap the bard quickly. Wouldnt really be much of a fight with harm shield / invis etc.

Wizard also gets invis also so most DPS would be dead if they can get an invis off. Of course if a naked enchanter wants to try to keep a lvl 60 mezzed while chain nuking i have a hard time believing he wouldnt go oom on allot of classes.

My vote is necro or wizard. Necro have low lvl dispell that costs almost no mana also. So they can simply dispell DOTs or cure them.

[cd288]

Ya like I mentioned in first post: No reagents, but yes to all spells. I didn't mention if there were charmable mobs, but lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

Therefore Mages, Necros, SKs, and Enchanters won't be able to get their normal summonable pets out. Nothing around to charm either. Limits things a little for Enchanter and Bard.

They might have other tricks though. The PVP setting might bring out different spells than normal usage. Red players probably would have interesting answers on this one. For instance a Bard constantly mesmerizing a caster may be a way to neutralize casters.

Monks and Bards interesting choices so far. Does a bard have a means to cancel a root when naked?

No regeants kind of doesn't make sense IMO. It's a massive part of the Mage class for instance. So it's not really a true 1 on 1 in the sense of what your post is trying to accomplish. If you want a real answer then you can't just eliminate someone's toolkit by not allowing regeants. Now gear is one thing, not allowing something that prevents a massive spell line from being used is another.

[Ennewi]

most likely wizard. Necro would use shadow step and just lifetap the bard quickly. Wouldnt really be much of a fight with harm shield / invis etc.

Wizard also gets invis also so most DPS would be dead if they can get an invis off. Of course if a naked enchanter wants to try to keep a lvl 60 mezzed while chain nuking i have a hard time believing he wouldnt go oom on allot of classes.

My vote is necro or wizard. Necro have low lvl dispell that costs almost no mana also. So they can simply dispell DOTs or cure them.

Bards have a few options for seeinvis that don't require an instrument. Idk if taps would land consistently, though IIRC they are or at least were unresistable on red server? I don't remember a necro being present when my bard all v alled in the Arena a year or two ago, but very few spells got through and those that did were double digit partials. Procs did seem to work regularly against resist songs, but only a few (tstaff and ranger sky bow) which were pretty devastating.

[Kruel]

Bards have a few options for seeinvis that don't require an instrument. Idk if taps would land consistently, though IIRC they are or at least were unresistable on red server? I don't remember a necro being present when my bard all v alled in the Arena a year or two ago, but very few spells got through and those that did were double digit partials. Procs did seem to work regularly against resist songs, but only a few (tstaff and ranger sky bow) which were pretty devastating.

Shadowstep and just chain lifetap will wreck a bard. then shadowstep and keep lifetapping. naked bards just dont have an easy way of killing a necro since their nuke heals so much.

now Bards are great against allot of other classes also though.

Necro would have a hard time against a wizard. Every class has its bane

[Seducio]

No regeants kind of doesn't make sense IMO. It's a massive part of the Mage class for instance. So it's not really a true 1 on 1 in the sense of what your post is trying to accomplish. If you want a real answer then you can't just eliminate someone's toolkit by not allowing regeants. Now gear is one thing, not allowing something that prevents a massive spell line from being used is another.

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

[Kruel]

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

If so necros win. manaskin and that essence emerald lifetap / pet.... i mean no weapons just chain dispell pet lol. Wizard can still deal with a necro, although tough.

[Ennewi]

Shadowstep and just chain lifetap will wreck a bard. then shadowstep and keep lifetapping. naked bards just dont have an easy way of killing a necro since their nuke heals so much.

now Bards are great against allot of other classes also though.

Necro would have a hard time against a wizard. Every class has its bane

Idk there are numerous options to interrupt those long cast taps, with the more damaging versions taking over 5 seconds. Mez, highsun, denon's bereave, brusco's bomb. Plus bards have shadowstep on top of selo's. It's cheap, but bards can just stay oor and heal back to full repeatedly.

The obvious solution here would be to demand staff host a naked BotB, complete with relevant titles.

[Duik]

You'd need to just call it BotcB+M Best of the Caster Best +Monk.
Sounds like war or rog have minimal chance, unless vs a blind deaf afk player of any other class. Even a Pal punching an ogre war to death would be painful.
Rog sans BS is just pointless... Hehe
Iks/Trl war vs Iks/Trl war punching? Regen vs RNG. Kicks would help.
In short, I hate rogues and warriors. The rest punch it out...

Forgot rng pal proc spells, punching still procs? Kicks proc?
Anyway, still majorly unbalanced. Once a snare lands on a melee only they fucked.
Rog one and only Best attack is gone.
Ranger no arrows.
Mage no pet.
Pal and non lrg SK no bash stun.
Is any arena large enough to get out of range?
War discs would just delay the inevitable, fearless lasts nuffin o'clock.
War would wanna start in melee range, a wiz would prefer range.
I dunno, between a few of the combos it would be interesting though.

[Castle2.0]

Sorry guys, bards win. Chain step + tap is not a winning necro strat versus a bard. Bard just runs away and heals mana free. Necros aren't able to regen mana very fast without lifetap healing, but in the situation described a bard is their only target.

We can charm and fear players and pets, right guys? =D

[sajbert]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

In an open world setting bard can be ZL-camped and killed. We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Several classes could also low level dot themselves to become immune to mez.

The more I read, the more it seems to me like wiz is the winner.

[Infectious]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

In an open world setting bard can be ZL-camped and killed. We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Several classes could also low level dot themselves to become immune to mez.

The more I read, the more it seems to me like wiz is the winner.

I will fight any wizard/ bard naked on red. Let's put some bets up.

[Toxigen]

I will fight any wizard/ bard naked on red. Let's put some bets up.

catch these hands

[Ennewi]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

A few posts down from the OP...

lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

So not any arena, but the arena. More than enough real estate there.

We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Resist songs are still decent without mods though, with MR psalm and MR rhythms stacking to compensate for no instrument. It's just a question of what spells might get through those layers of resists and to what extent.

[bcbrown]

Would anything change if the match was "blind", so you can't customize what spells you have memmed specifically for the class you're fighting against? Since melee is at a huge disadvantage naked, what would change if casters had to start out with no spells memmed?

Both characters starting out with a rez, rez sickness included, might be a pretty funny slap-fight.

[cd288]

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

Fair argument. If it were to ever happen you could also allow melee weapons that allow them to do same average DPS as a non-rogue mage pet maybe? Idk just spit balling.

[cd288]

Would anything change if the match was "blind", so you can't customize what spells you have memmed specifically for the class you're fighting against? Since melee is at a huge disadvantage naked, what would change if casters had to start out with no spells memmed?

Both characters starting out with a rez, rez sickness included, might be a pretty funny slap-fight.

Or totally randomize what spells a caster has memmed at the start could be interesting too. So they maybe get lucky and have some useful stuff, but they need to find a way to get away and replace others.

[Jimjam]

Starting naked, no spells memmed seems fair - like a character just died and spawned in some gladiatorial hell.

[Kruel]

Starting naked, no spells memmed seems fair - like a character just died and spawned in some gladiatorial hell.
NAH THERE WOULD BE NO WAY TO GET A SINGLE SPELL MEMD.

AS SOON AS YOU SIT A PUNCH WOULD HIT

[cd288]

EverQuest version of PUBG

[Jimjam]

NAH THERE WOULD BE NO WAY TO GET A SINGLE SPELL MEMD.

AS SOON AS YOU SIT A PUNCH WOULD HIT

As all other casters happen to have access to a racial hide this issue is only really a problem for shaman, which can land a slam to buy time to mem invis. Also /boo (invis page #) mouseclick invis icon and alt 1 (to quickly mem a low level invis spell) takes less than the 3.6 seconds or whatever naked fist timer is.

[Vexenu]

This is actually a very interesting hypothetical. You could make arguments for basically all of the caster/priest classes + Bard, since they often counter each other in rock/paper/scissors fashion. If this were a bracket style tournament, I think the winner would likely be decided by an equal combination of player skill and favorable class matchups, because no single class can reliably beat every other class.

I would really like to see this organized as an actual tournament. I would bet on a Wiz, a Necro, or a very, very talented and patient Bard to win. Epic Mage could also do very well depending on specific matchups and how well the pet can resist player CC.

[Naxy]

In PvP does any mezz or charm actually work on a lvl 60 character? In PvE a bard’s charm and mezz are level restricted.

[Swish]

The obvious solution here would be to demand staff host a naked BotB, complete with relevant titles.

Yes!

[Kruel]

In PvP does any mezz or charm actually work on a lvl 60 character? In PvE a bard’s charm and mezz are level restricted.

in the arena the mez does land but it only last for a small time. With pets being allowed a naked wizard would have a problem with a necro. Wizard would of course try to root the pet immediately. As a necro i would mem both dispells and as soon as i saw a root graphics going off cast dispell on my pet. Wizard will start running, then just use root on wizard. Roots seem to land just fine on lvl 60s but just dont last long.

No pets and the wizard would absolutely dominate.

[Vexenu]

As a necro i would mem both dispells and as soon as i saw a root graphics going off cast dispell on my pet. Wizard will start running, then just use root on wizard. Roots seem to land just fine on lvl 60s but just dont last long.

Wizard: Roots pet
Necro: Begins to cast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Tishan's Discord to interrupt (2.25s, 150ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Ice Spear of Solist (4s, 800ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Unstunned, Attempts to recast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Markar's Discord to interrupt (3.3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Draught of Ice (3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Dead

[Jimjam]

Is flaming sword pet any good against naked casters for bashea n stuff?

[Infectious]

in the arena the mez does land but it only last for a small time. With pets being allowed a naked wizard would have a problem with a necro. Wizard would of course try to root the pet immediately. As a necro i would mem both dispells and as soon as i saw a root graphics going off cast dispell on my pet. Wizard will start running, then just use root on wizard. Roots seem to land just fine on lvl 60s but just dont last long.

No pets and the wizard would absolutely dominate.

One EB and the wizard is dead. He can't dispell poison dots.

[Vexenu]

One EB and the wizard is dead. He can't dispell poison dots.
This is true, but the Wizard has a good chance of keeping the Necro stun locked and preventing an EB cast entirely (6s cast is easily interruptible by all the Wiz stuns). It would mostly come down to player skill and execution, and perhaps lucky/unlucky resists.

[sajbert]

One EB and the wizard is dead. He can't dispell poison dots.

Wizard stun is faster cast and followed up by instant death.

[Kruel]

Wizard: Roots pet
Necro: Begins to cast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Tishan's Discord to interrupt (2.25s, 150ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Ice Spear of Solist (4s, 800ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Unstunned, Attempts to recast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Markar's Discord to interrupt (3.3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Draught of Ice (3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Dead

THIS SOUNDS GOOD - BUT AS SOON AS I SEE THE SOUND AND GRAPHIC IM STARTING MY CAST. SO I WOULDNT WAIT FOR THE ROOT TO BE DONE AND YOU GETTING READY TO CAST YOUR NEXT SPELL. HONESTLY HOW I WOULD START IS MY POISON DOT WHILE HITTING PET ATTACK.. THEN I WOULD PROBABLY CHAIN LIFETAP. IF YOU CHOSE TO ROOT THE PET THATS GREAT BUT YOU WILL BE 2/3 LIFE BEFORE STARTING YOUR NEXT SPELL. I WOULD ACTUALLY WAIT AT THAT TIME AND WAIT FOR YOU TO START YOUR NUKE AND I WOULD HIT MY HARDSHIELD. AS SOON AS THAT HIT I WOULD THEN CLICK IT OFF AND LIFETAP AGAIN.

ITS ALL THEORY BECAUSE ONE THING DONE WRONG EITHER IS DEAD. KEEP IN MIND I DID SAY WIZARD AND NECRO WOULD WIN. ITS A CRAP SHOOT. IMAGINE YOU GOT ONE RESIST ON ROOTING THE PET? FIGHT IS OVER.

[Toxigen]

caps lock is cruise control for cool

[Duik]

IMMA BUST SOME CAPS OFF AS WELL THEN.
Well this just got interesting, didnt think war or rog could be given a chance to function.
Naked and death rez affect scenario sounds interesting as fuck.
Wiz v nec theory craft above also sounds cool.
Mage epic creates an item (orb) that summons pet? So disallowed?

Not knowing the opponents' class would also be a splendid equalizer.
Wiz extra minus on spells is a plus.
Small dots to combat mez. But in an unknown opponent scenario.
What to mem?!?
Woody druid hide + mem. God the combinations.
My brain hurts.

[Kruel]

caps lock is cruise control for cool

haha didnt notice my caps lock. I would like to say i did it on purpose because i am passionate about whats being said... but naw... just didnt realize it.

[cd288]

Wizard: Roots pet
Necro: Begins to cast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Tishan's Discord to interrupt (2.25s, 150ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Ice Spear of Solist (4s, 800ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Unstunned, Attempts to recast Cancel Magic (3.3s)
Wizard: Casts Markar's Discord to interrupt (3.3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Stunned
Wizard: Casts Draught of Ice (3s, 500ish PvP dmg)
Necro: Dead

This is an interesting scenario, but why is the Necro sitting there waiting for a root to be cast on its pet and then casting Cancel Magic? If the Wizard is going to root the pet, Necro just casts fear on the Wiz and Wiz cannot get the stun off plus root in that timeframe. If Wiz doesn't resist the fear it's game over. If they resisted though then your strategy works I agree.

[Kruel]

Enchanter it's not close. Buffless mez lands. Just mez, nuke and tap until their dead, can keep them stun locked the whole fight

It takes allot of mana to use mez to lockdown a lvl 60... and then at the same time to nuke them down... the lvl 60 mez also isnt a quick cast time...

wizard or necro is who wins.

[Infectious]

It takes allot of mana to use mez to lockdown a lvl 60... and then at the same time to nuke them down... the lvl 60 mez also isnt a quick cast time...

wizard or necro is who wins.

Lvl 4 mez sticks every single time. It cost 20 mana?

[Kruel]

Lvl 4 mez sticks every single time. It cost 20 mana?

lvl 4 mez works in pvp vs a lvl 60 ? Mez spells have level restrictions that carries over to PVP

[Infectious]

lvl 4 mez works in pvp vs a lvl 60 ? Mez spells have level restrictions that carries over to PVP

No they don't. Log on to red and see how that goes.

[cd288]

No they don't. Log on to red and see how that goes.

Is it red specific maybe?

[Infectious]

Is it red specific maybe?

Do I look like an everquest historian or something? Go through the patch notes and write a bug report if you want questions answered.

My offer still stands though. Enc vs anyone naked. Can get a guide to summon us to the arena.

[cd288]

Do I look like an everquest historian or something? Go through the patch notes and write a bug report if you want questions answered.

My offer still stands though. Enc vs anyone naked. Can get a guide to summon us to the arena.

Nice job being a dick for no reason. You're asserting a point, someone asked you about it. And now you're whining. Good job bubs.

[Infectious]

Nice job being a dick for no reason. You're asserting a point, someone asked you about it. And now you're whining. Good job bubs.

I said it doesn't work on red that way, to someone else. You jump in and start asking me questions I don't know the answer to.

So snowflake, you can look up that information all by yourself. Sorry I can't go Google it for you.

[Kruel]

I said it doesn't work on red that way, to someone else. You jump in and start asking me questions I don't know the answer to.

So snowflake, you can look up that information all by yourself. Sorry I can't go Google it for you.

relax, this isnt rant and flames.

[Vexenu]

My offer still stands though. Enc vs anyone naked. Can get a guide to summon us to the arena.
You could theoretically cheese a win over every caster by landing one mez then just keeping mez refreshed while you gradually drain their mana. You'd run into hiccups with classes who can self DoT to break your mez though. But given that mez is also a low mana, quick casting interrupt you could conceivably just keep them pseudo mezzed since they probably couldn't get any spells off and gradually nuke them down.

I still think you'd encounter problems from a skilled Wiz or Nec. The Wizard basically just needs to beat your first mez with a stun and you're done for. The Necro can lich/self DoT to break your mezzes and has his own 2.6s mez. If he lands ST on you once the fight is over because he chains that into fear and stacks poison/disease DoTs that you can't dispell.

[Infectious]

relax, this isnt rant and flames.

Because I called him a snow flake after he called me a dick? Lol