Level 60 v Level 60 - no gear

[Seducio]

Out of the 14 classes which does best in 1on1s with no gear on.

In this no gear scenario each class has all their spells, yet no equipment and no items. Therefore no pets that would require a regeant.

It's no hold's barred. Lord of the Flies. Only it's series of 1on1s rather than a royal rumble. Best of the Best of all classes while naked.

Who comes out on top. Wizard? Cleric? You decide.

[Ghost of Starman]

Well, monk fists are like 14/26 at 60, so it's probably a matter of if a caster can nuke them down before they get chewed up and interrupted by the push.

Actually, forgot about root lol, prob gonna be a caster that can heal and stun then, so prob cleric?

[Castle2.0]

Bard. Melee will never catch and caster will never land. Bard will just keep charming and sending mobs in.

Do mages get 1 malachite? Epic is a spell. Do they get it?

In arena with no mobs?

This is why there is no clear answer.

[Seducio]

Ya like I mentioned in first post: No reagents, but yes to all spells. I didn't mention if there were charmable mobs, but lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

Therefore Mages, Necros, SKs, and Enchanters won't be able to get their normal summonable pets out. Nothing around to charm either. Limits things a little for Enchanter and Bard.

They might have other tricks though. The PVP setting might bring out different spells than normal usage. Red players probably would have interesting answers on this one. For instance a Bard constantly mesmerizing a caster may be a way to neutralize casters.

Monks and Bards interesting choices so far. Does a bard have a means to cancel a root when naked?

[sajbert]

Wizard. No gear, no mr and easy root. Damage shield to help prod up hp. Stuns. Nukes that’ll destroy low hp players. Invis and see invis.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya like I mentioned in first post: No reagents, but yes to all spells. I didn't mention if there were charmable mobs, but lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

Therefore Mages, Necros, SKs, and Enchanters won't be able to get their normal summonable pets out. Nothing around to charm either. Limits things a little for Enchanter and Bard.

They might have other tricks though. The PVP setting might bring out different spells than normal usage. Red players probably would have interesting answers on this one. For instance a Bard constantly mesmerizing a caster may be a way to neutralize casters.

Monks and Bards interesting choices so far. Does a bard have a means to cancel a root when naked?

No regeants kind of doesn't make sense IMO. It's a massive part of the Mage class for instance. So it's not really a true 1 on 1 in the sense of what your post is trying to accomplish. If you want a real answer then you can't just eliminate someone's toolkit by not allowing regeants. Now gear is one thing, not allowing something that prevents a massive spell line from being used is another.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No regeants kind of doesn't make sense IMO. It's a massive part of the Mage class for instance. So it's not really a true 1 on 1 in the sense of what your post is trying to accomplish. If you want a real answer then you can't just eliminate someone's toolkit by not allowing regeants. Now gear is one thing, not allowing something that prevents a massive spell line from being used is another.

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

[Kruel]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

If so necros win. manaskin and that essence emerald lifetap / pet.... i mean no weapons just chain dispell pet lol. Wizard can still deal with a necro, although tough.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

Fair argument. If it were to ever happen you could also allow melee weapons that allow them to do same average DPS as a non-rogue mage pet maybe? Idk just spit balling.

[Jimjam]

Imo druid