Passenger
01-30-2025, 12:57 AM
The February 21, 2001 patch contained an unannounced change that required Bind Sight effects to have Line of Sight to cast.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010302182057/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066.html
-Kateru-
posted 02-23-2001 07:33 AM
You can no longer cast bind sight on targets that you can't see.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010305075602/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066-2.html
Robogard
posted 02-23-2001 03:37 PM
Bind sight for casters is now Line of Sight
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010305080202/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066-3.html
Jakkin
posted 02-23-2001 09:17 PM
One clarafication on the Bind Sight nerf (this USED to be one of my favorite spells BTW :mad);
It still works on grouped PCs that are out of LOS, just not on NPCs. I have not tested it yet on ungrouped PCs though.
-Jakkin Peregrine
Disgruntled, blinded vision hopper
This appears to have impacted the Bind Sight/Shifting Sight/Cast Sight line, as well as the Vision/Assiduous Vision line.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010530204110/http://pub23.ezboard.com/fgraffeswizardcompilationfrm1.showMessageRange?top icID=3401.topic&start=21&stop=40
Taedirk
(5/13/01 7:09:52 am)
Re: Please, Fix Bind Sight
Bind/Shifting sight was a great spell before the changes. I used it regularly to search a zone, help a newbie find their way around, or tell a group member how to get from point a to point b. The nerf to this line of spells has made them close to worthless.
Taedirk Fyreslinger - 21 wizard
Fennin Ro
A thread discussing the mapping of ToV:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010728221436/http://pub13.ezboard.com/fbrellserilisplanesraids.showMessage?topicID=1419. topic
Bolrus Spiritwalker
(3/7/01 6:08:43 am)
tips
Two tips:
1) You can map a significant portion of the Halls of Testing using, I guess I'll call it, "chain Assidious Vision". I suppose that's Bind Sight for other classes.
2) The perspicacious mapper will notice that the floor tiles are conveniently 10 /loc units square, and are generally set with square boundaries at the walls.
RetiredJustise
(3/7/01 10:52:14 am)
Re: tips
Bind sight is bugged right now and you can only cast it if you can see your target. =(
Ulver
(3/7/01 11:05:18 am)
Re: tips
Yep Bolrus, the nerf stick hit again. The vision spells can only be chained as long as you have line of sight on your target.
Alvimar
(3/7/01 11:40:48 am)
Re: tips
I chained bind sight onto mobs on the second floor of Hate... had line of sight through the monk I chained off of though... maybe that's how now... /shrug
Kalli Kamerov
(3/7/01 2:40:51 pm)
Re: tips
Alvimar, I tried a few nights ago in Chardok, tried to cast sight from the entrance of the room with korokust in it to deeper into the castle, it kept giving me Line of Sight errors. *cry*.
It was such a nice way of scoping out dungeon pulls too. :(
Kalli Kamerov
53rd Enchantress
Poison Arrow
The bard song, Lyssa's Solidarity of Vision, was seemingly unaffected.
Tinyn Tinagyn
(3/8/01 10:14:03 pm)
Re: tips
Its broken for everyone except Bards.
Tinyn Tinagyn - Yellow and Green Bard of the 52nd Song, on Brell Serilis
Never heard a mole sing before, have you, Trimp?
Twiggie Tymberwolf
(3/9/01 4:26:46 pm)
Re: tips
Its NERFED for all but bards... cause Verant doesn't have a freaking clue about bards at all and probably didn't know they could do the same thing :rolleyes
Twiggie Tymberwolf 52rd Wanderer Guild Leader - Mystic Dominion
Jaradis Stormcaller 41st Shaman
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020613082248/http://eqdiva.com/songs.asp?song=38
Still lovin this song - 1/4/02 12:17:07 PM
~ Kocho Divah
I wish they would give me an item that has this triggered effect! I find myself using it every day.
Here's my favorite uses:
1) To scout out new zones - Go invis, run out in a new zone, target a mob. Run back to safety, then bind sight from the mob to the next mob until you've seen the whole zone. I've done this in Umbral Plains and Akheva and Maidens very easily. If you don't want to run out, bind sight to the puller and do the same.
...
From the above we see bards are still able to "chain" bind sight into Luclin.
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Absor comments:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010418214646/http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/everquest/Forum1/HTML/000090.html
Topic: Bind Sight
Absor
posted 04-12-2001 12:31 PM
Moonshadow wrote:
About 4 patches ago, "bind sight" was changed in some zones to require line of sight from the caster to the target. There was no announcement of this change, and it considerably reduced the utility of the spell.
Could we please have an explanation of why this change was made? If it was not intentional, please change the spell back.
Our 'spell guy', Lawrence Poe, had this to say in response to your question:
This was an unforeseen side effect to a change we made recently.
The change was made to all spells. Basically we made it so if you are casting a spell be it harmful or beneficial and your target runs out of the spells range, or the casters line of site the spell will not go off and no mana will be used. This was a great enhancement however it had the unforeseen side effect of limiting bind site. There are currently no plans to revert Bind Sight to its former functionality.
Not much more for me to add. The functionality of the spell has most certainly been reduced. But you can still stay bound to the target for the duration of the spell, even after it leaves your line of site. The check is only made at the time of casting. You just can't use the spell to attach yourself to another NPC from the first to chain yourself out to infinity.
Alan
It appears the functionality was restored in the June 12, 2002 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020612.html) patch:
* The Bind/Cast Sight line of spells now works as it used to. You do not need to have line of sight to your target to use this spell.
-----
Lawrence Poe references another change (target out-of-range/blocked buffs mana use) that occurred in the same February 21, 2001 patch, discussed here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421692).
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010302182057/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066.html
-Kateru-
posted 02-23-2001 07:33 AM
You can no longer cast bind sight on targets that you can't see.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010305075602/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066-2.html
Robogard
posted 02-23-2001 03:37 PM
Bind sight for casters is now Line of Sight
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010305080202/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/061066-3.html
Jakkin
posted 02-23-2001 09:17 PM
One clarafication on the Bind Sight nerf (this USED to be one of my favorite spells BTW :mad);
It still works on grouped PCs that are out of LOS, just not on NPCs. I have not tested it yet on ungrouped PCs though.
-Jakkin Peregrine
Disgruntled, blinded vision hopper
This appears to have impacted the Bind Sight/Shifting Sight/Cast Sight line, as well as the Vision/Assiduous Vision line.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010530204110/http://pub23.ezboard.com/fgraffeswizardcompilationfrm1.showMessageRange?top icID=3401.topic&start=21&stop=40
Taedirk
(5/13/01 7:09:52 am)
Re: Please, Fix Bind Sight
Bind/Shifting sight was a great spell before the changes. I used it regularly to search a zone, help a newbie find their way around, or tell a group member how to get from point a to point b. The nerf to this line of spells has made them close to worthless.
Taedirk Fyreslinger - 21 wizard
Fennin Ro
A thread discussing the mapping of ToV:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010728221436/http://pub13.ezboard.com/fbrellserilisplanesraids.showMessage?topicID=1419. topic
Bolrus Spiritwalker
(3/7/01 6:08:43 am)
tips
Two tips:
1) You can map a significant portion of the Halls of Testing using, I guess I'll call it, "chain Assidious Vision". I suppose that's Bind Sight for other classes.
2) The perspicacious mapper will notice that the floor tiles are conveniently 10 /loc units square, and are generally set with square boundaries at the walls.
RetiredJustise
(3/7/01 10:52:14 am)
Re: tips
Bind sight is bugged right now and you can only cast it if you can see your target. =(
Ulver
(3/7/01 11:05:18 am)
Re: tips
Yep Bolrus, the nerf stick hit again. The vision spells can only be chained as long as you have line of sight on your target.
Alvimar
(3/7/01 11:40:48 am)
Re: tips
I chained bind sight onto mobs on the second floor of Hate... had line of sight through the monk I chained off of though... maybe that's how now... /shrug
Kalli Kamerov
(3/7/01 2:40:51 pm)
Re: tips
Alvimar, I tried a few nights ago in Chardok, tried to cast sight from the entrance of the room with korokust in it to deeper into the castle, it kept giving me Line of Sight errors. *cry*.
It was such a nice way of scoping out dungeon pulls too. :(
Kalli Kamerov
53rd Enchantress
Poison Arrow
The bard song, Lyssa's Solidarity of Vision, was seemingly unaffected.
Tinyn Tinagyn
(3/8/01 10:14:03 pm)
Re: tips
Its broken for everyone except Bards.
Tinyn Tinagyn - Yellow and Green Bard of the 52nd Song, on Brell Serilis
Never heard a mole sing before, have you, Trimp?
Twiggie Tymberwolf
(3/9/01 4:26:46 pm)
Re: tips
Its NERFED for all but bards... cause Verant doesn't have a freaking clue about bards at all and probably didn't know they could do the same thing :rolleyes
Twiggie Tymberwolf 52rd Wanderer Guild Leader - Mystic Dominion
Jaradis Stormcaller 41st Shaman
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020613082248/http://eqdiva.com/songs.asp?song=38
Still lovin this song - 1/4/02 12:17:07 PM
~ Kocho Divah
I wish they would give me an item that has this triggered effect! I find myself using it every day.
Here's my favorite uses:
1) To scout out new zones - Go invis, run out in a new zone, target a mob. Run back to safety, then bind sight from the mob to the next mob until you've seen the whole zone. I've done this in Umbral Plains and Akheva and Maidens very easily. If you don't want to run out, bind sight to the puller and do the same.
...
From the above we see bards are still able to "chain" bind sight into Luclin.
-----
Absor comments:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010418214646/http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/everquest/Forum1/HTML/000090.html
Topic: Bind Sight
Absor
posted 04-12-2001 12:31 PM
Moonshadow wrote:
About 4 patches ago, "bind sight" was changed in some zones to require line of sight from the caster to the target. There was no announcement of this change, and it considerably reduced the utility of the spell.
Could we please have an explanation of why this change was made? If it was not intentional, please change the spell back.
Our 'spell guy', Lawrence Poe, had this to say in response to your question:
This was an unforeseen side effect to a change we made recently.
The change was made to all spells. Basically we made it so if you are casting a spell be it harmful or beneficial and your target runs out of the spells range, or the casters line of site the spell will not go off and no mana will be used. This was a great enhancement however it had the unforeseen side effect of limiting bind site. There are currently no plans to revert Bind Sight to its former functionality.
Not much more for me to add. The functionality of the spell has most certainly been reduced. But you can still stay bound to the target for the duration of the spell, even after it leaves your line of site. The check is only made at the time of casting. You just can't use the spell to attach yourself to another NPC from the first to chain yourself out to infinity.
Alan
It appears the functionality was restored in the June 12, 2002 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020612.html) patch:
* The Bind/Cast Sight line of spells now works as it used to. You do not need to have line of sight to your target to use this spell.
-----
Lawrence Poe references another change (target out-of-range/blocked buffs mana use) that occurred in the same February 21, 2001 patch, discussed here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421692).