Daybreak sues THJ

[Ciderpress]

I don't hate rich people guys I just think I should have the money they earned instead of them having it. Or rather, I should have even more of it than I already get.

[atomicpaul]

I don't hate working class people guys I just think the rich should be allowed to steal from them and the poor should not be allowed to steal back. Or rather, I am waiting for the rich to make me an honorary millionaire due to my loyalty to the hierarchy.

[Reiwa]

I don't hate working class people guys I just think the rich should be allowed to steal from them and the poor should not be allowed to steal back. Or rather, I am waiting for the rich to make me an honorary millionaire due to my loyalty to the hierarchy.

https://i.imgur.com/zmo7i90.png

[atomicpaul]

yeah how's that relationship between labor and value been working out recently?

i swear all we commies have to do these days is fuckin' nothing

[Ekco]

^ that 3 post combo between y'all was beautiful, literal work of art.

[Reiwa]

yeah how's that relationship between labor and value been working out recently?

i swear all we commies have to do these days is fuckin' nothing

^ that 3 post combo between y'all was beautiful, literal work of art.

The thing Marxism gets right is that the internationalist economic order is superior to the nationalist economic order. All men are bettered by being free to deal with each other without interference by any state or government formation.

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[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/v5FVkkLJB5cAAAAM/mnewsradio-newsradio.gif

[Ciderpress]

I don't hate working class people guys I just think the rich should be allowed to steal from them and the poor should not be allowed to steal back. Or rather, I am waiting for the rich to make me an honorary millionaire due to my loyalty to the hierarchy.

Walmart isn't stealing from you when you buy a box of pasta from them, but you're free to grow the wheat yourself!

[Ekco]

Walmart isn't stealing from you when you buy a box of pasta from them, but you're free to grow the wheat yourself!

as long as it's GMO wheat provided and financed through an authorized dealer.

[Duik]

Walmart does its stealing before the consumer even sees a product on a shelf.

[Reiwa]

Walmart does its stealing before the consumer even sees a product on a shelf.

Grocery stores have very small margins.

Walmart particularly pays its workers poorly to keep prices low for the consumer It's a good thing.

[Duik]

They steal not the product for the tables but the fortitude of the very folk designed to protect the interests of the proletariat.
Creating guidelines slanted towards the landed gentry and profits rather than quality for general consumption.

[Reiwa]

They steal not the product for the tables but the fortitude of the very folk designed to protect the interests of the proletariat.
Creating guidelines slanted towards the landed gentry and profits rather than quality for general consumption.

I don't think the boner operating the Zebra getting paid more makes my groceries any higher in quality.

[Duik]

Is a zebra a barcode machine?

[Duik]

Im not talkin aboot anything the zebra can do. The waltons manipulate your team captains with "extra points" so that certain criteria do or dont need to be met.

I know you know what i mean. I also appreciate your penchant for a barney.
Go Team Zebra!

[Findlyn]

Grocery stores have very small margins.

Walmart particularly pays its workers poorly to keep prices low for the consumer It's a good thing.

Walmart pays their employees so little, people end up paying more for their groceries without even realizing it. Via tax's, because Walmart like some other companies are some of the largest benefactors of government subsidized via a lot of workers being on snap/welfare benefits.

[Reiwa]

Walmart pays their employees so little, people end up paying more for their groceries without even realizing it. Via tax's, because Walmart like some other companies are some of the largest benefactors of government subsidized via a lot of workers being on snap/welfare benefits.

Malarkey (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/myth-busted-taxpayers-are-not-subsidizing-wal-marts-low-wages/)

[Cecily]

I don't think that article supports its thesis. Malarkey is a great word though.

[Ekco]

>Malarkey
tl;dr

i learned all i needed about the issue watching a employee buy a case of monster energy drinks with snap

everyone involved should get shot into the sun by a giant catapult, walmart, the taxpayer, the employee, me

https://media.tenor.com/DwDb8GPOU6oAAAAM/everyone-mad.gif

[Cecily]

When I'm looking at plastic surgery boards on Reddit, people are like which "facial procedure should I get," and I think about that scene as I scroll by a lot. Laughs in going to hell.

[atomicpaul]

gary oldman is good at his job. slow horses is a good tv show, even if the british gov't is actually the badguy.

[Reiwa]

I don't think that article supports its thesis. Malarkey is a great word though.

This post was fact checked by real American patriots (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/nov/16/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-digs-old-figure-fresh-attack-walmar/)

[Reiwa]

There's a new filing

IV. ARGUMENT .................................................. .................................................. ........ 5
A. Daybreak’s Request for Mandatory Injunctive Relief Should Be Denied. ...... 5
B. Daybreak Cannot Show a Substantial Likelihood of Success on the
Merits............................................ .................................................. ................... 6
1. Equitable Estoppel Bars Daybreak’s Claims. ............................................ 6
a. Daybreak and Its Predecessors Knew About EQ Emulators,
Like THJ, for Decades and Did Nothing. ........................................... 7
b. For Decades, Daybreak and Its Predecessors Created an
Impression They Were Acceptable. .................................................. .. 7
c. Daybreak’s Inaction and Public Statements Gave Defendants
Reasonable Impression Emulator Conduct Was Acceptable. ............. 9
d. Defendants Detrimentally Relied on Daybreak’s Conduct. ................ 9
2. Laches Bars Plaintiff’s Claims, at Least for Injunctive Relief. ............... 10
a. Laches Bars the Requested Injunction for the Copyright Claim. ..... 10
b. Laches Bars Plaintiff’s Trademark Claims. ...................................... 11
3. Plaintiff Cannot Show a Likelihood of Success on Its Claims. ............... 12
a. Daybreak Fails to Adequately Plead Direct or Vicarious
Copyright Infringement. .................................................. .................. 12
b. Daybreak Fails to Adequately Plead a Violation of the DMCA. ...... 14
c. Plaintiff’s Trademark Infringement Claims Also Fails. .................... 15
d. Daybreak Fails to State a Claim for Breach of Contract. .................. 17
4. Daybreak’s Complaint Names Improper Defendants. ............................. 18
C. Daybreak Will Not Suffer Irreparable Harm If the Motion Is Denied. .......... 18
1. Daybreak’s Delay Rebuts Any Presumption of Irreparable Harm. ......... 18
2. Daybreak Provides Insufficient Evidence of Irreparable Harm. ............. 19
a. Daybreak’s Claimed Damage to Goodwill and Reputation Is
Not Irreparable Injury. .................................................. ..................... 20
b. Daybreak’s Alleged Financial Peril Is Contradictory and
Insufficiently Attributed to Defendants to Merit an Injunction. ....... 20
c. Daybreak Provides No Evidence That Money Damages Are
Insufficient. .................................................. ...................................... 23
D. The Balance of the Equities Favors Denying Injunctive Relief. .................... 24
E. A Preliminary Injunction Does Not Favor the Public Interest. ....................... 24

I feel like there's a lot of vocabulary in here that'll be useful to Vulak raiders.

https://i.imgflip.com/2k0unl.jpg

[Irespectwomen]

The thing Marxism gets right is that the internationalist economic order is superior to the nationalist economic order. All men are bettered by being free to deal with each other without interference by any state or government formation.

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And this is why we have microplastics in our balls. Absolute moron. You need strong government oversight in order to deal with selfish assholes running amuk. End-game capitalism is going to destroy us (i'm not a commie) because of the lack of regulations and control over mega corporations. We're heading directly toward technocratic enslavement totally controlled by, uh, ahem, ah m-mega corporations. Idiots won't know the difference because the illusion will be there to give them the most popular leaders of all time, like Joe biden.

[Irespectwomen]

I have a GREAT idea guys. Let's make the billionaires and mega corporations pay their fair taxes so that the expanding class of serfs have more disposable income to buy temporary use forever material trinkets off of amazon to throw into the ocean. LOL. The only thing holding this retarded fake economy together is the money blackhole that is the mega-rich.

Now lets focus on producing more designed-to-fail plastic trinkets, subsidizing soybeans and propping up the third world so that they can continue their population explosion. A winning move, I really hope the dinosaurs we're sucking up thousands of feet below ocean bedrock don't dry up!

If you only knew that the system was designed to creat an untenable mouse utopia so that you support and beg for technocratic enslavement, the people who created the problem will surely save you from it.lol

[shovelquest]

And this is why we have microplastics in our balls. Absolute moron. You need strong government oversight in order to deal with selfish assholes running amuk.

That's literally what we have, and we have microplastics in our balls.

Plastics, got massive infusion from goverment taxes. It wasn't the natural market that wanted them. Consumers have hated plastics from the beginning.

The reason we don't use glass bottles is because of goverment.

They use them in Mexico where they could use whatever they want because it's cheaper.

The boom in consumer plastics was a compound effect of wartime industrial policy, Cold-War R&D dominance, and cheap petrochemical feedstocks fostered by federal spending and tax policy. By the time private advertising was telling Americans “Better Living Through Chemistry,” most of the heavy lifting had already been financed by Uncle Sam.

Try again.

[shovelquest]

Actually don't try again, f off and go starve in one of your 3rd world living condition commie countries.

[Reiwa]

And this is why we have microplastics in our balls. Absolute moron. You need strong government oversight in order to deal with selfish assholes running amuk. End-game capitalism is going to destroy us (i'm not a commie) because of the lack of regulations and control over mega corporations. We're heading directly toward technocratic enslavement totally controlled by, uh, ahem, ah m-mega corporations. Idiots won't know the difference because the illusion will be there to give them the most popular leaders of all time, like Joe biden.

I have a GREAT idea guys. Let's make the billionaires and mega corporations pay their fair taxes so that the expanding class of serfs have more disposable income to buy temporary use forever material trinkets off of amazon to throw into the ocean. LOL. The only thing holding this retarded fake economy together is the money blackhole that is the mega-rich.

Now lets focus on producing more designed-to-fail plastic trinkets, subsidizing soybeans and propping up the third world so that they can continue their population explosion. A winning move, I really hope the dinosaurs we're sucking up thousands of feet below ocean bedrock don't dry up!

If you only knew that the system was designed to creat an untenable mouse utopia so that you support and beg for technocratic enslavement, the people who created the problem will surely save you from it.lol

We've had microplastic analogs in our balls from the very beginning and you just didn't know about it and dinosaurs do not and never did exist send post.

We are all Keynesians now.

[shovelquest]

Gen X blamed literally everything the goverment did on the free market. And millennials never did anything original so they just parroted it.

And here we are, I ask directions to someone on the street and they tell me they can't because they're on break.

[Cecily]

Gen X blamed literally everything the goverment did on the free market. And millennials never did anything original so they just parroted it.

And here we are, I ask directions to someone on the street and they tell me they can't because they're on break.

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[Cecily]

https://i.imgur.com/kg3FRAg.gif

[Irespectwomen]

That's literally what we have, and we have microplastics in our balls.

Plastics, got massive infusion from goverment taxes. It wasn't the natural market that wanted them. Consumers have hated plastics from the beginning.

The reason we don't use glass bottles is because of goverment.

They use them in Mexico where they could use whatever they want because it's cheaper.



Try again.

lmao, it's cheaper because it weighs less and requires less labor/energy to produce not because the government funded the research. Look i'm no champion of the government, I take JFK's warning of a ruthless and monolithic conspiracy very seriously but lets pretend governance around the world hasn't been infiltrated by demons. Now that we're here, we needed strong government oversight to keep companies like DuPont and 3m from contaminating our world with PFAS, it was the lack of regulation and oversight that lead to the free market destroying the planet.

[Irespectwomen]

We've had microplastic analogs in our balls from the very beginning and you just didn't know about it and dinosaurs do not and never did exist send post.

We are all Keynesians now.

I am amused, next you'll tell me how close salt and chlorine are chemically or something equally irrelevant, i bet your friends all think you're really smart.

[Reiwa]

I am amused, next you'll tell me how close salt and chlorine are chemically or something equally irrelevant, i bet your friends all think you're really smart.

Your brain is full of protein.

[Reiwa]

lmao, it's cheaper because it weighs less and requires less labor/energy to produce not because the government funded the research. Look i'm no champion of the government, I take JFK's warning of a ruthless and monolithic conspiracy very seriously but lets pretend governance around the world hasn't been infiltrated by demons. Now that we're here, we needed strong government oversight to keep companies like DuPont and 3m from contaminating our world with PFAS, it was the lack of regulation and oversight that lead to the free market destroying the planet.

The planet will be fine. Humans might die though.

And the only way to stop it is to sell indulgences.

[shovelquest]

lmao, it's cheaper because it weighs less and requires less labor/energy to produce not because the government funded the research. Look i'm no champion of the government, I take JFK's warning of a ruthless and monolithic conspiracy very seriously but lets pretend governance around the world hasn't been infiltrated by demons. Now that we're here, we needed strong government oversight to keep companies like DuPont and 3m from contaminating our world with PFAS, it was the lack of regulation and oversight that lead to the free market destroying the planet.

DUPONT EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE US GOVERMENT.

DuPont’s rise to dominance was helped significantly by U.S. government funding and contracts in the past, though it wasn’t only government support that kept it alive.

Here’s the short version of the story:

Early 1800s beginnings – DuPont started in 1802 as a gunpowder mill. Its first big break came from supplying explosives to the U.S. military during the War of 1812, the Mexican–American War, and especially the Civil War. These government contracts gave the company enormous revenues and allowed it to expand rapidly.

World War I boom – DuPont produced nearly 40% of the explosives used by the Allies. It made huge profits — so much that it diversified into chemicals, paints, and synthetic materials afterward.

Postwar research (and plastics) – With wartime profits and ongoing military work, DuPont could pour money into R&D. This is how they invented Nylon, Teflon, Kevlar, and other plastics/synthetics. Many of these developments were tied to or accelerated by military needs (e.g., parachutes, coatings, armor).

Cold War era – DuPont continued to get defense and government contracts for materials, fuels, and nuclear work (including the Manhattan Project). That steady stream of federal funding helped them stay on top in the chemical industry.

So — DuPont is still around today because it grew into a massive industrial and research powerhouse, but a major portion of the capital, facilities, and technical expertise that made that possible came from decades of lucrative U.S. government wartime contracts. Without that early and sustained boost, DuPont would likely be a much smaller, more regional company today.

If you want, I can give you a timeline showing exactly which wars and government programs fueled each leap in DuPont’s growth. That really makes the connection crystal clear.

[Reiwa]

Nylon, Teflon, Kevlar,

I noticed that Teflon became super toxic only when brandname alternatives were created. Wonder what that's about.

[Reiwa]

Your brain is full of protein.

Might as well use the cast iron though. That way I won't get anemia. :p

[Duik]

Might as well use the cast iron though. That way I won't get anemia. :p

You just crave the caste system.

[Reiwa]

You just crave the caste system.

I am Ironballs Leader of the Halflings Small

[Irespectwomen]

DUPONT EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE US GOVERMENT.

Lol, let me help you here so you may understand. The world is not under control by governments, it is under control by the world economy which is under control by the Bank of International Settlements. The government didn't create the PFAS consumer products, the economy did, the government didn't push consumerism or move manufacturing into countries who do not have the capacity to remotely enforce responsible manufacturing practices, the economy did.

I support a free market but I know that there are selfish and malicious people who if given power in the free market would not care what happens outside of their bubble, there needs to be a regulating authoritative body that protects the people.

Anyways, our argument is a fantasy there are no more brakes left on this train. I am really looking forward to seeing justice be served to THJ scumbags :)

[Irespectwomen]

The planet will be fine. Humans might die though.

And the only way to stop it is to sell indulgences.

Humans will be fine but humanity will die.

[Ekco]

there needs to be a regulating authoritative body that protects the people.


the invisible hand of the market has decided that "the people" aren't needed and are too inefficient

thank you for your attention to this matter.

beep boop.

[Irespectwomen]

the invisible hand of the market has decided that "the people" aren't needed and are too inefficient

thank you for your attention to this matter.

beep boop.

Exactly, the technology to program humans is here and now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtQFkEg5-w

[Reiwa]

Humans will be fine but humanity will die.

Humanity and liberalism aren't synonymous.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/qjeeewe.jpeg

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/qjeeewe.jpeg

Tell him not to run macaframalama then.

[Irespectwomen]

Humanity and liberalism aren't synonymous.

Yes they are, if you don't have free will then you have no humanity.

[Reiwa]

Yes they are, if you don't have free will then you have no humanity.

I like the lie too. :)

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/6QYTiuw.png

[shovelquest]

Id rather post trany porn in here than engage.

[shovelquest]

the government didn't push consumerism or move manufacturing into countries who do not have the capacity to remotely enforce

NAFTA

I hate you people.

You are wrong.

[shovelquest]

Anyways, our argument is a fantasy there are no more brakes left on this train. I am really looking forward to seeing justice be served to THJ scumbags :)

Hate to break this to you, but THJ is winning right now, and this is going to end with total freedom for EMU community.

Sorry you lose.

[zelld52]

THJ is winning right now, .

Every piece of evidence presented so far against THJ points to the opposite conclusion.

[shovelquest]

They're still up!

DBG has no gas.

[Irespectwomen]

Hate to break this to you, but THJ is winning right now, and this is going to end with total freedom for EMU community.

Sorry you lose.

Lol, I know reading comprehension is hard but maybe you should take a look.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70555215/daybreak-game-company-llc-v-takahashi/

THJ are using 8 year old twitter screenshots of former DBG employees personal opinions as evidence. Screenshots of 6 year old PC gamer articles on P99 where the article explicitly references the agreement and it only gets worse. It all looks extremely amateur and only a couple of their contributions to their defense look like it was actually written by a lawyer. I would be willing to bet that the law firm took an easy L for the money, grifters being grifted hahaha

[shovelquest]

You and your little financial corporation are gonna lose, sucker!

[zelld52]

They're still up!

DBG has no gas.

I will say, DBG keeps filing motions to have THJ shut down, saying that it's harming their reputation and the long-term viability of EverQuest 1 paid subscriptions. It does seem like flailing.

However, my money's on the judge ultimately siding with DBG in the end.

[shovelquest]

I will say, DBG keeps filing motions to have THJ shut down, saying that it's harming their reputation and the long-term viability of EverQuest 1 paid subscriptions. It does seem like flailing.

However, my money's on the judge ultimately siding with DBG in the end.

My money is on DBG never even going to court over this because they never had the balls to take 2 game devs to court for the first time over something like this.

[zelld52]

My money is on DBG never even going to court over this because they never had the balls to take 2 game devs to court for the first time over something like this.

What do you mean? This case is already in court.

[Irespectwomen]

Lol, I know reading comprehension is hard but maybe you should take a look.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70555215/daybreak-game-company-llc-v-takahashi/

THJ are using 8 year old twitter screenshots of former DBG employees personal opinions as evidence. Screenshots of 6 year old PC gamer articles on P99 where the article explicitly references the agreement and it only gets worse. It all looks extremely amateur and only a couple of their contributions to their defense look like it was actually written by a lawyer. I would be willing to bet that the law firm took an easy L for the money, grifters being grifted hahaha

HAHAH They actually posted a screen shot of some steam community thing or something where THJ outnumbers Official everquest by DOUBLE. They introduced this as a defense! HAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70555215/50/21/daybreak-game-company-llc-v-takahashi/

[zelld52]

Sidenote, Secrets with the dagger in THJ back for entering an official agreement with DBG. Now DBG lawyers have 2 examples of emulators that "Did it the right way"

[Ekco]

this is gonna end badly for everyone. ;/

[zelld52]

this is gonna end badly for everyone. ;/

Eh, I think THJ will face fines, may or may not be forced to shut down - but as far as other emu servers: as long as they don't try to make money it should be alright.

[Reiwa]

It all looks extremely amateur and only a couple of their contributions to their defense look like it was actually written by a lawyer.

The different types of estoppel they asserted seemed pretty lawyery.

[zelld52]

I would be willing to bet that the law firm took an easy L for the money, grifters being grifted hahaha

Reading some of the defense's arguments is pretty.. shocking. They claim that DBG delayed a response to their request for an agreement - meanwhile DBG shows that the only attempt at communication was an anonymous email with no mention of the server name, or the devs behind it - that got forwarded to junk.

The defense lawyers bring up cases to show that most companies act faster than DBG did to file infringement suits, meanwhile - DBG lawyers show that they actually acted faster than any of the examples THJ lawyers used.

They are getting smoked by DBG lawyers, truly.

[Irespectwomen]

Eh, I think THJ will face fines, may or may not be forced to shut down - but as far as other emu servers: as long as they don't try to make money it should be alright.

Courts don't typically allow things to be solved in half-measures, THJ's only competent defense argument is that EQEmu was allowed to exist in good faith. California inparticular has to be very careful on what it does with intellectual property, it's the states golden goose egg.

It's such an egregious illicit business from stolen IP I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was prison time shit

[Irespectwomen]

The different types of estoppel they asserted seemed pretty lawyery.

I had to look that word up, yea you're right im looking through it right now and the amount of stuff they have contributed to their defense that reinforces DBG's position is mind boggling lol. I can't believe their lawyers allowed that, seems like sabotage.

[shovelquest]

Eh, I think THJ will face fines, may or may not be forced to shut down.

Oh no what will they do.

https://i.imgur.com/RB2zb63.png

[shovelquest]

Sidenote, Secrets with the dagger in THJ back for entering an official agreement with DBG. Now DBG lawyers have 2 examples of emulators that "Did it the right way"

Yeah that was some sympathiser style super fast lick the boot.

"look sir look at me sir! lick lick lick im not like the other servers lick lick lick"

[zelld52]

Oh no what will they do.

https://i.imgur.com/RB2zb63.png

This post is about to be used in a future filing by DBG lawyers.

Can you imagine seeing RnF post in a court filing?

They'd shut down P99, EqEmulator and maybe the internet at large

[Ekco]

include me in the legal briefings please

[shovelquest]

This post is about to be used in a future filing by DBG lawyers.

Can you imagine seeing RnF post in a court filing?

I hope they get to see this:

https://i.imgur.com/PGpCdBd.png

[shovelquest]

This ones for the intern (AI) collecting data.

https://i.imgur.com/qBzUrTu.png

[Reiwa]

10. Fan videos and comments also contradict Defendants’ claim that
Fangbreaker was an inferior server. See, e.g., “I was wrong about Fangbreaker!”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ4AxBcpkmI).

mQ4AxBcpkmI

[zelld52]

10. Fan videos and comments also contradict Defendants’ claim that
Fangbreaker was an inferior server. See, e.g., “I was wrong about Fangbreaker!”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ4AxBcpkmI).

mQ4AxBcpkmI

fucks sake all the memorabilia in the room.

grown ass children

[Ekco]

fucks sake all the memorabilia in the room.

grown ass children

i expected to see way worse after reading this then clicking the video

filing under, mad.

considering the amount of adults that go to Disney World alone each year, and the thousands of other weirdos, gonna safely say star trek/EQ nerd guy makin youtube vids is not a priority in the should be ridiculed category

[shovelquest]

Spoiler: Generation alpha hates all of this shit.

[Irespectwomen]

10. Fan videos and comments also contradict Defendants’ claim that
Fangbreaker was an inferior server. See, e.g., “I was wrong about Fangbreaker!”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ4AxBcpkmI).

mQ4AxBcpkmI

Guy can't even sync his audio, opinion disregarded

[Cecily]

Guy can't even sync his audio, opinion disregarded

He's actually Japanese and the video is English dubbed. It's understandable you'd dislike it because most Everquest fans prefer subtitles.

[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/Dh6mA-6Q43sAAAAM/supernatural-you-know-it.gif

[shovelquest]

Why are we such pariahs that when wow has trouble runescape becomes popular on twitch? What is up with that??

[Duik]

Isnt the idea that most of us using p99 have the actual game discs available to install? So we can, you know, relive the past.

So thj allowing the use of steam client allows anyone to log into their server?

Or am i being naive and most of you avail of the high seas and plunder DBGs profits via Treacherous Waters.

[Irespectwomen]

Isnt the idea that most of us using p99 have the actual game discs available to install? So we can, you know, relive the past.

So thj allowing the use of steam client allows anyone to log into their server?

Or am i being naive and most of you avail of the high seas and plunder DBGs profits via Treacherous Waters.

You're correct, while there were servers who got away with hosting their own client, THJ directly told their customers to download the Everquest Steam version before using their product. It's hilarious, their own wiki about EOM is also funny, i-it's strictly donations man and this is j-just a thank you for the donations bro. HAHAHAH.

[Reiwa]

Isnt the idea that most of us using p99 have the actual game discs available to install? So we can, you know, relive the past.

So thj allowing the use of steam client allows anyone to log into their server?

Or am i being naive and most of you avail of the high seas and plunder DBGs profits via Treacherous Waters.

Dalaya uses steam too. I couldn't figure it though.

I think the classless or chainbreaker server did also?

[shovelquest]

You're correct, while there were servers who got away with hosting their own client, THJ directly told their customers to download the Everquest Steam version before using their product. It's hilarious, their own wiki about EOM is also funny, i-it's strictly donations man and this is j-just a thank you for the donations bro. HAHAHAH.

I just gave them another $50,000

[onmove_broke]

You can thank me for this. I sent a few emails to them after THJ decided to ban me for no reason. Not usre if they knew this server existed before, and not sure if my emails had anything to do with it. I will say the mods etc at THJ can get fucked. Want to know what I did? I responded to someone bashing Putin and said Zelensky was a puppet.

[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/UxLEJ_kw93kAAAAM/charlie-murphy-funny-shit.gif

[Reiwa]

You can thank me for this. I sent a few emails to them after THJ decided to ban me for no reason. Not usre if they knew this server existed before, and not sure if my emails had anything to do with it. I will say the mods etc at THJ can get fucked. Want to know what I did? I responded to someone bashing Putin and said Zelensky was a puppet.

Well the rada is a unitary body.

[shovelquest]

Want to know what I did? I responded to someone bashing Putin and said Zelensky was a puppet.

Reported for talking about politics on the forums.

[Ekco]

Reported for talking about politics on the forums.

careful, he'll send a few emails then we're really fucked.

[onmove_broke]

careful, he'll send a few emails then we're really fucked.

I will. Do not test me I already got one server shut down

[shovelquest]

Try sending one to your therapist instead.

[cd288]

I will. Do not test me I already got one server shut down

Newsflash your emails didn't do anything. THJ was all over the EQ scene on forums, YouTube, and Discord.

[atomicpaul]

when rage against the machine broke up, i said "damn, they should hire chris cornell as a new lead singer"

then audioslave was a thing for a while.

i take responsibility, i await my check from the record companies. thanks.

[onmove_broke]

Newsflash your emails didn't do anything. THJ was all over the EQ scene on forums, YouTube, and Discord.

But I sent like 10 emails. You do not know.

[cd288]

But I sent like 10 emails. You do not know.

Oh did they email you back and say thanks we're going to sue THJ now?

[Ekco]

Try sending one to your therapist instead.

the court said he's not suppose to contact her anymore.

[shovelquest]

That explains a lot! :o

[Duik]

This a Zahovoon Alt.
Visions of Grandeur is a spell only.
Poohtins are for putting pooh in.
Emails are so 1999.

Try Magic Mushrooms.

[onmove_broke]

Newsflash your emails didn't do anything. THJ was all over the EQ scene on forums, YouTube, and Discord.

2:06 here. Same time I sent the email. You wanna keep talking shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDtYfj5LyQ

[Ekco]

rofl.

finally going through this stuff and muh gawd the Exhibit documents are hilarious.

[Tann]

2:06 here. Same time I sent the email. You wanna keep talking shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDtYfj5LyQ

you wield such great power, what will you do with it going forward? is there a pop-tart flavor you dislike? perhaps you got banned from Walmart for exposing yourself to fat people in rascals.. a few emails could fix all this my Omega Level mutant bro.

[Duik]

Disables email account.

Checkmate Atheist!

[Duik]

If all emus are shutdown (unlikely) all tragic sweatlords with an EQ boner will trundle on back to a TLP. They will complain but trundle back they will.

Also, a young EQer is 40s. Most are 50s or 60s or 70s. Our sedentry lifestyles prolly ensure an early death anyways.

AssistedLivingLanParties incoming.

[cd288]

2:06 here. Same time I sent the email. You wanna keep talking shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDtYfj5LyQ

Oh you run a gaming studio?

[atomicpaul]

damn, what a badass. it's been a long time since i've seen the internet tough guy act land, but you've done it. congratulations. how many marriage proposals have you received since you sent the email?

[Ekco]

Also, a young EQer is 40s.

still 39 for 9 more months, thank you very much.

[zelld52]

still 39 for 9 more months, thank you very much.

Dude you and I are precisely the same age! May '86?

[Ekco]

April

[Duik]

*April 1st

[Duik]

And we all thought the A.I would bring about the end times.
Little did we all know it would be the humble email.

Good work onmove_broke. Good work.

[Reiwa]

damn, what a badass. it's been a long time since i've seen the internet tough guy act land, but you've done it. congratulations. how many marriage proposals have you received since you sent the email?

You can thank me for this. I sent a few emails to them after THJ decided to ban me for no reason. Not usre if they knew this server existed before, and not sure if my emails had anything to do with it. I will say the mods etc at THJ can get fucked. Want to know what I did? I responded to someone bashing Putin and said Zelensky was a puppet.

Protestants are idiots.

[atomicpaul]

my wisdom score is pretty high tho

[Vianna]

2:06 here. Same time I sent the email. You wanna keep talking shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDtYfj5LyQ

You sound so cool and normal...

[onmove_broke]

You are just mad that I got your pixel playground shut down and you have to now come back to playing P1999. Hope you like red.

[onmove_broke]

Oh you run a gaming studio?

"Email from December 2024 that appears to be from a member of the public"

Ears clogged?

[shovelquest]

omnibroke trying to get his karren marret badge meanwhile

THJ just running their server like

https://i.imgur.com/AuC87cS.png

[onmove_broke]

It will all be over soon. I would roll Red so you are up and running when the time comes

[zelld52]

New filings dropped, ya'll. THJ out here snitching on other emus.

[zelld52]

If you played on Project Lazarus, The Hidden Forest (which had 0 players yesterday) or other servers - Daybreak is comin for you thanks to THJ

[zelld52]

THJ lawyers also submitted into evidence screenshots from RedGuides with users talking about boxing multiple accounts. THJ really saying "if we go down they all go down with us"

[zelld52]

Ok last post but these lawyers are clowns. They submitted a screenshot of an article from a video game blog reporting Square Enix financials on FF Online. The article has links in it with the actual reports, but they didn't submit those - just a screenshot of the article.

Smells like THJ lawyers love to use ChatGPT.

[Ekco]

the hilarious thing is i don't think daybreak will touch redguides because so many people who still play live servers use that shit and wouldn't sub 6 accounts without it.

when i went back to my old server to play those new kunark and velious expansions back in 2020 like 90% of Emarr was just bots farming for Krono and the "family guild" i joined to do the content was just 2 dudes running their own groups, thankfully one of the bots was kind enough to sit out so i could do the 6man content

[cd288]

You are just mad that I got your pixel playground shut down and you have to now come back to playing P1999. Hope you like red.

Never played THJ and personally hated the idea of it. I just think you're a moron who somehow thinks that Daybreak actually read his email lol.

The more sad part about this whole thing is that you actually admitted to sending an email to try and get another emulated server shut down. Who does that? That's like something a middle schooler would do and you're a grown ass adult. Embarrassing.

[shovelquest]

If you played on Project Lazarus, The Hidden Forest (which had 0 players yesterday) or other servers - Daybreak is comin for you thanks to THJ

If i had the AI I am promised, Id make project Lazarus be a complete matriculate recreation of ever quest, but it's all themed on biblical stories and prophecy.

[shovelquest]

*meticulous

[shovelquest]

New filings dropped, ya'll. THJ out here snitching on other emus.

Oh no what will they do.

https://i.imgur.com/RB2zb63.png

The sleeper has been woken.

[shovelquest]

The more sad part about this whole thing is that you actually admitted to sending an email to try and get another emulated server shut down. Who does that? That's like something a middle schooler would do and you're a grown ass adult. Embarrassing.

Hey, consider ourselves lucky. If it wasnt for all the jimmies online to keep him busy he'd be mailing bombs to car dealerships.

[shovelquest]

As players flock to emulated servers like Project 1999 for a "true" classic experience, are developers neglecting the potential for new gameplay mechanics and storytelling methods? Should the industry focus on evolving the MMO genre instead of catering to nostalgia?

https://i.imgur.com/9g08yT2.gif

[shovelquest]

I wonder if this is some company actually trying to get info

[Ekco]

yeah this bot is an odd duck, i'd bet a couple platinum pieces on a ulterior motive, maybe with the court case idk.

thing hasn't tried to sell anything or hyperlink anywhere which is concerning to me.

[enjchanter]

daybreak should sue p99 while theyre at it tbh

[shovelquest]

yeah this bot is an odd duck, i'd bet a couple platinum pieces on a ulterior motive, maybe with the court case idk.

thing hasn't tried to sell anything or hyperlink anywhere which is concerning to me.

lol

daybreak if you can hear me, give up you're being retarded.

[atomicpaul]

daybreak if you can hear me send feet pics

[Beckoning]

daybreak should sue p99 while theyre at it tbh

Seek Help

[Duik]

the hilarious thing is i don't think daybreak will touch redguides because so many people who still play live servers use that shit and wouldn't sub 6 accounts without it

[zelld52]

Is it truly ethical to emulate classic games like Everquest, considering the original developers no longer support them? When does nostalgia for a bygone era cross the line into exploitation of intellectual property? How do we reconcile the desire to relive our gaming past with the rights of those who created it?

someone ban this bot

[Irespectwomen]

Is it truly ethical to emulate classic games like Everquest, considering the original developers no longer support them? When does nostalgia for a bygone era cross the line into exploitation of intellectual property? How do we reconcile the desire to relive our gaming past with the rights of those who created it?

I say it's always ethical to create fan based projects as a selfless endeavor, creating a business from other peoples property is not. THJ could have used their server to sell ad-revenue or countless other shilling operations to cease being unemployed and probably be fine, although I do believe that a large part of this legal fiasco is DBG management needing a scapegoat to keep their jobs, so maybe not.

I am so excited for THJ downfall, I hope it is epic.

[Ekco]

i'm excited for both, THJ and Daybreak's

[shovelquest]

THJ cant really have a downfall, its like 3 months old.

But DBG can....

(and will!)

[Ekco]

idk, depends on the judge and if they wanna make an example out of them.

i'm not following the case very closely mind you, just the vibe i get

[shovelquest]

Im erring on the side of the DBG lawyers are going to be even more retarded i mean look at their game compared to other games lol

[Irespectwomen]

Im erring on the side of the DBG lawyers are going to be even more retarded i mean look at their game compared to other games lol

LOL, have you seen THJ's defense? I mean I know you really struggle with comprehension and middling abstract thinking but I think even you could see this mountain through the tree's. DBG's lawyers are the only ones correctly using legalese and precedent. THJ is like "LOOK AT THIS PCGAMER ARTICLE FROM 2016 IT SAYS P99 HAS A LICENSE TO RUN THEIR EMULATOR" hahahahaha

[Irespectwomen]

idk, depends on the judge and if they wanna make an example out of them.

i'm not following the case very closely mind you, just the vibe i get

It's also California, they can't afford to set IP precedent like this.

[atomicpaul]

im just waiting to see how the lawsuit goes to play on THJ again. i am avoiding a sunk cost fallacy situation.

[Ekco]

it should be ruled on that's for sure, cause it's not like they actually sell the product anyone here is interested in and they've shown time and time again they aren't going to invest in the talent to win back customers so idk wtf the plan is, pump the numbers and dump it on the next suckers i assume

[onmove_broke]

Never played THJ and personally hated the idea of it. I just think you're a moron who somehow thinks that Daybreak actually read his email lol.

The more sad part about this whole thing is that you actually admitted to sending an email to try and get another emulated server shut down. Who does that? That's like something a middle schooler would do and you're a grown ass adult. Embarrassing.

Yep, I sent the email. Yep, I act like a middle schooler. You going to do something about it or just post on pixel playgrounds? When you steal IP, you get shut down. That is how IP works. Didn't you know that?

[onmove_broke]

People still defending THJ who is now trying to get other EMUs shut down. lol.

[Ekco]

one thing in there i did find hilarious was them complaining that THJ accelerates the pace of content or w/e

which is rich coming from the company that decided pay to win was fine. i can bust out my CC and pick a random server and be raiding tonight if i wanted lol

shit's p tarded.

[atomicpaul]

Yep, I sent the email. Yep, I act like a middle schooler. You going to do something about it or just post on pixel playgrounds? When you steal IP, you get shut down. That is how IP works. Didn't you know that?i would like to speak to your manager

[torriadore]

it should be ruled on that's for sure, cause it's not like they actually sell the product anyone here is interested in and they've shown time and time again they aren't going to invest in the talent to win back customers so idk wtf the plan is, pump the numbers and dump it on the next suckers i assume
Suing THJ into oblivion gets the higher up suits of DBG off their backs for Fangbreaker's wet fart in church of a release, but honestly they are still the company that produced Fangbreaker. I dont see much of a future for the IP holders of Everquest. Can they even survive another bad release? Pushing their chips all in on the multi box crowd is like squeezing blood from a stone. People arent coming back for creatively bankrupt progression servers.

[onmove_broke]

i would like to speak to your manager

This CD guy is the same type who thinks Ukraine should not lose land in a peace deal.

[onmove_broke]

Suing THJ into oblivion gets the higher up suits of DBG off their backs for Fangbreaker's wet fart in church of a release, but honestly they are still the company that produced Fangbreaker. I dont see much of a future for the IP holders of Everquest. Can they even survive another bad release? Pushing their chips all in on the multi box crowd is like squeezing blood from a stone. People arent coming back for creatively bankrupt progression servers.

I am not defending DB for being a shit company. They have not done anything meaningful with the EQ IP for decades now. If they hired people who run EMUs to come up with cool ideas, maybe people would go back to playing on a DB server.

Again, it is the same as apple. The iphone has not changed much since the 11. it is the same tired system with minor upgrades every year. But does that mean some random people can build a better iphone and run ios and sell it under a different name legally? No. China is basically doing what THJ and all the EMUs are doing.

[atomicpaul]

This CD guy is the same type who thinks Ukraine should not lose land in a peace deal.okay vlad

[shovelquest]

LOL, have you seen THJ's defense? I mean I know you really struggle with comprehension and middling abstract thinking but I think even you could see this mountain through the tree's. DBG's lawyers are the only ones correctly using legalese and precedent. THJ is like "LOOK AT THIS PCGAMER ARTICLE FROM 2016 IT SAYS P99 HAS A LICENSE TO RUN THEIR EMULATOR" hahahahaha

No im not a retard who tries to win a lawsuit in my head online I just wait for it to happen.

[shovelquest]

DBG so its gonna cost this much to go to court.

Holding company: ..... fuck it we're selling you.

[cd288]

Yep, I sent the email. Yep, I act like a middle schooler. You going to do something about it or just post on pixel playgrounds? When you steal IP, you get shut down. That is how IP works. Didn't you know that?

Guys do you think it must be nice to be as delusional as this guy and think your email to a company that probably ended up in a spam folder (if the filters allowed it through at all) had some sort of huge impact? Like...being able to delude yourself into believing that you're not just a nobody working a deadend job with no real future to your life, and that things you do matter, must be pretty nice

[Ekco]

historically, letter-writing campaigns by karens has worked pretty well, it's not that delusional.

thanksgiving is a national holiday because a lady wrote letters to elected officials for 40 years or someshit iirc

[Ekco]

or the delusionalness is separate from the effectiveness of it as a tactic i mean.

[cd288]

yes and in your analogy that's mass letter writing by a bunch of people

[shovelquest]

historically, letter-writing campaigns by karens has worked pretty well, it's not that delusional.

thanksgiving is a national holiday because a lady wrote letters to elected officials for 40 years or someshit iirc

collective shout lol

[Ekco]

yes and in your analogy that's mass letter writing by a bunch of people

a single lady gave us thanksgiving and a single p99 poster got THJ sued.

i won't stand for further libel!

[Ekco]

i got my email client open sir, fuck around and find out

[shovelquest]

Oh whats the story of thanksgiving?

[zelld52]

Oh whats the story of thanksgiving?

MNmkfZN9Wbk

[Ekco]

Oh whats the story of thanksgiving?

i'm fudging the details to make the joke work slightly

Influencing Lincoln: After decades of campaigning, her efforts culminated in a direct letter to President Abraham Lincoln in 1863, urging him to declare Thanksgiving a national observance. Lincoln, recognizing the holiday's potential to foster unity during the Civil War, issued a proclamation in October 1863, establishing the last Thursday in November as a national Thanksgiving Day

she wasn't just a rando apparently a martha stewart of her day basically.

[onmove_broke]

Guys do you think it must be nice to be as delusional as this guy and think your email to a company that probably ended up in a spam folder (if the filters allowed it through at all) had some sort of huge impact? Like...being able to delude yourself into believing that you're not just a nobody working a deadend job with no real future to your life, and that things you do matter, must be pretty nice

But I am working at a dead end job. You got me pal.

[Cecily]

Uwaj8it4t3k

[zelld52]

New filings dropped. THJ switching tactics, now saying that the Daybreak EULA says that all matters should be handled in arbitration, not in court.

Seems a bit late in the game to be pulling this card. Is this switch of tactics a sign that THJ lawyers know they're going to lose this suit? Is this the Ace in the Hole they've been holding on to the hole time? Will THJ survive?

Find out next time on Dragonball Z

[zelld52]

Honestly, the argument is solid from THJ lawyers. In the Daybreak EULA it clearly states that "any dispute" will be handled by arbitration - and doesn't make any exceptions, (ie: IP infringement)

Bold move, Cotton - let's see how it plays out

[shovelquest]

Honestly, the argument is solid from THJ lawyers. In the Daybreak EULA it clearly states that "any dispute" will be handled by arbitration - and doesn't make any exceptions, (ie: IP infringement)

Bold move, Cotton - let's see how it plays out

https://i.imgur.com/XJE8VPB.gif

[Xer0]

Bro, you know that THJ intends on taking this to court and hired a top tier IP lawyer right? Do you know what the ENTIRE premise of these retards defense is going to be?

"LOOK AT THAT EQEMU COMMUNITY IT HAS EXISTED FOR 15 YEARS AND DBG DID NOTHIGN TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS FROM THEM"

That is going to be their defense. They did this as a cash grab at the expense of everything.

https://scarincihollenbeck.com/law-firm-insights/velcro-trademark-protection

That actually IS a defense, though.

Companies whose products brand names are synonymous with the product regardless of the actual brand, such velcro, band aid and kleenex basically have an obligation to protect their brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

https://cyber.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm

[Reiwa]

Honestly, the argument is solid from THJ lawyers. In the Daybreak EULA it clearly states that "any dispute" will be handled by arbitration - and doesn't make any exceptions, (ie: IP infringement)

Bold move, Cotton - let's see how it plays out

I think courts love arbitration and will use it whenever possible cause it reduces their caseload.

[Ekco]

I think courts love arbitration and will use it whenever possible cause it reduces their caseload.

the Steam case is hilarious cause they changed the eula after that class action was filed and that seemed to work lol

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I think courts love arbitration and will use it whenever possible cause it reduces their caseload.

Arbitration is for legaling what an undertaker is for a dead body.

Who's the dead body in this situation? is a legitimate question.

[Infectious]

New filings dropped. THJ switching tactics, now saying that the Daybreak EULA says that all matters should be handled in arbitration, not in court.

Seems a bit late in the game to be pulling this card. Is this switch of tactics a sign that THJ lawyers know they're going to lose this suit? Is this the Ace in the Hole they've been holding on to the hole time? Will THJ survive?

Find out next time on Dragonball Z


Daybreak are known Putin sympathizers and most likely launder money for the triads in east Asia. Help THJ bring down drug smuggling.

[red_demonman]

Isn't this just clear-cut Daybreak wins? THJ hijacks the client on Steam and then monetizes it, not sure what their defense will be for that.

[zelld52]

Isn't this just clear-cut Daybreak wins? THJ hijacks the client on Steam and then monetizes it, not sure what their defense will be for that.

I think that's what the recent push for arbitration shows - THJ knows they won't win the case in court.

[Findlyn]

https://scarincihollenbeck.com/law-firm-insights/velcro-trademark-protection

That actually IS a defense, though.

Companies whose products brand names are synonymous with the product regardless of the actual brand, such velcro, band aid and kleenex basically have an obligation to protect their brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

https://cyber.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm

Trademark and IP are 2 different things, you dont have to protect your IP like you do a trademark iirc. IANAL, but if i remember from business classes correctly.

[shovelquest]

"sir the piece of shit franchise we bought that is basically been a total loss for us financially is requiring that we go to court and spend a bunch of money maintaining it"

[Tann]

"sir the piece of shit franchise we bought that is basically been a total loss for us financially is requiring that we go to court and spend a bunch of money maintaining it"

"sir, yes I know it's going to cost a lot of money but the unladen neckbeards we're suing have made more money off our IP in the last 10 months then we have in the last 10 years.. it's a literal cash cow, bursting, quivering, pulsating, ready to be slaughtered."

[shovelquest]

Coming soon: Sir someone just made our IP with a 52 word prompt.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Daybreak are known Putin sympathizers

So are a lot of guilds of old. It clicks for some reason.

I remember when we used to fight neo-Nazis on the boards. Aye, those were days of high comedy.

Things change? This board is moderated, and I don't get the impression they are stopping much more than pure shitposting?

Man. Being in a White Supremacist guild was a chore. But: pixels!

Gamers went through some bad shit past 10 years and that's a fact.

But Daybreak is a front for the Russian Orthodox Church, which is in turn a front for the Russian FSB. Wounded soldiers have to powerlevel people on the TLP's all day, just to "earn" a prosthetic.

That's mainly why i can't play the TLP's anymore. I can only be told "Help me" in cyrillic so many times a night.

[Swish]

But Daybreak is a front for the Russian Orthodox Church, which is in turn a front for the Russian FSB. Wounded soldiers have to powerlevel people on the TLP's all day, just to "earn" a prosthetic.

That's mainly why i can't play the TLP's anymore. I can only be told "Help me" in cyrillic so many times a night.

https://c.tenor.com/P0Mu66PqBzcAAAAd/tenor.gif

[Infectious]

So are a lot of guilds of old. It clicks for some reason.

I remember when we used to fight neo-Nazis on the boards. Aye, those were days of high comedy.

Things change? This board is moderated, and I don't get the impression they are stopping much more than pure shitposting?

Man. Being in a White Supremacist guild was a chore. But: pixels!

Gamers went through some bad shit past 10 years and that's a fact.

But Daybreak is a front for the Russian Orthodox Church, which is in turn a front for the Russian FSB. Wounded soldiers have to powerlevel people on the TLP's all day, just to "earn" a prosthetic.

That's mainly why i can't play the TLP's anymore. I can only be told "Help me" in cyrillic so many times a night.

I see you have only scratched the surface. Most of them neo nazi guilds were funded with platinum from a gnome only guild who mastered tinkering very early on. I dont want to expose anymore secrets, I've been told a few of these gnomes have survived and could possibly be on these forums as we speak.

Godspeed.

[shovelquest]

what even is a neo nazi? anti israel?

[Ekco]

what even is a neo nazi? anti israel?

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of speech I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["Neo-nazism"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the modern shitposts found here is not that".

[shovelquest]

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of speech I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["Neo-nazism"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the modern shitposts found here is not that".

"I dont know how to define words, but I can change the definitions as I feel to see them fit my narratives"
:o

[Ekco]

problem?!?

https://i.imgur.com/dyfBmFS.png

[shovelquest]

problem?!?

https://i.imgur.com/dyfBmFS.png

Sliders was a blessed gem.

[Ekco]

thankfully it remains a cult classic(?) imagine how hamfisted and terrible a reboot of Sliders would be.

[shovelquest]

thankfully it remains a cult classic(?) imagine how hamfisted and terrible a reboot of Sliders would be.

rptW7zOPX2E

[shovelquest]

It would be like that. Like all the reboots. :p

[Ekco]

It would be like that. Like all the reboots. :p

i don't even think good writers could come up with premises, they pretty much covered everything iirc, global cooling, global warming, nukes, asteroid impact (awesome ep), contagious diseases, systems of government...etc


https://play.xumo.com/tv-shows/sliders/XM0AYB6TTOKW0L

[shovelquest]

The one where everyone got a deadly flu and they embraced communism and lock downs was pretty interesting to see play out irl.

aJghelogNL8

[Reiwa]

"I dont know how to define words, but I can change the definitions as I feel to see them fit my narratives"
:o

They were modernists, king.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

i don't even think good writers could come up with premises, they pretty much covered everything iirc, global cooling, global warming, nukes, asteroid impact (awesome ep), contagious diseases, systems of government...etc


I feel exactly the same way about White Noise. Read the novel in 1985. Don DeLillo. One of the main characters is a professor of Hitler Studies. They made a film version in 2022.

I can't watch that. It's not exactly amusing, when you remember a time when professor of Hitler Studies made no freakin sense, and it was absurd.

I think this is a valid way to deal with culture. Food crisis? Soylent Green. Maybe think about how we think about each other. We can do better than "food."

That's a classic starting point when thinking about food crises. Humans: not food.

[Ekco]

I feel exactly the same way about White Noise. Read the novel in 1985. Don DeLillo. One of the main characters is a professor of Hitler Studies. They made a film version in 2022.

I can't watch that. It's not exactly amusing, when you remember a time when professor of Hitler Studies made no freakin sense, and it was absurd.

I think this is a valid way to deal with culture. Food crisis? Soylent Green. Maybe think about how we think about each other. We can do better than "food."

That's a classic starting point when thinking about food crises. Humans: not food.

hadn't heard of this book, plot summary sounds great.

love prescient satire.

[Swish]

Sliders was a blessed gem.

Season 5 has entered the chat.

[shovelquest]

Season 5 has entered the chat.

Im still trying to get through that 25 years later

[shovelquest]

I was just wondering if the court is gonna be pissed at DBG for trying to show quotes of players saying they will never play DBG game again (from the context of the lawsuit being repulsive to them) but instead in the context that they just like THJ more.

[Xathos53]

Daybreak just brought in an extremely high-powered lawyer who specializes in these IP cases. She doesn't take cases she is going to lose. Now that she's on the case, it is far less likely that DBG settles out of court. In the event they do, it's going to be heavily skewed in favor of DBG.

[shovelquest]

got any links? I want to read about it too.

[shovelquest]

I saw there was another emu lawsuit.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/107476/blizzard-sues-turtle-wow-emulator-for-egregious-copyright-infringement/index.html

[shovelquest]

found this looking for infos

https://i.imgur.com/rV54dfR.png

[cd288]

She doesn't take cases she is going to lose

Yeah because this is an open and shut case if DBG wants it to be. It's their IP. They can enforce this if they choose.

[vales]

Daybreak just brought in an extremely high-powered lawyer who specializes in these IP cases. She doesn't take cases she is going to lose. Now that she's on the case, it is far less likely that DBG settles out of court. In the event they do, it's going to be heavily skewed in favor of DBG.
the result was always going to be in favor daybreak, even if they never hired lawyers and represented themselves

[shovelquest]

Hope they win so we can all go back to being good little corporate pawns for investment bankers.

That's what gaming is all about after all.

[Ekco]

i hope they win AND the judge forces those players to play on blue with me.

[shovelquest]

i hope they win AND the judge forces those players to play on blue with me.

hmm. In the future technotopia, can being forced t just sit in a room and play EQ or some other MMO be the future of ethical prisons?

[atomicpaul]

in the future, you are sentenced to permanently play Second Life with the most alarming perverts you can find on the lightnet

[Tann]

Daybreak just brought in an extremely high-powered lawyer who specializes in these IP cases. She doesn't take cases she is going to lose. Now that she's on the case, it is far less likely that DBG settles out of court. In the event they do, it's going to be heavily skewed in favor of DBG.

Blizzard invoked the RICO Act on Turtle WoW, Daybreak has gotta up its game plan

[Ekco]

^ In the dsytopian technocractic cyberpunk future corporatations will just send cyberninja wetwork squads (via a gig economy app of course when they aren't deliverying pizzas) to handle these anonying problems they have

[shovelquest]

in the future, you are sentenced to permanently play Second Life with the most alarming perverts you can find on the lightnet

I saw a video on roblox and its literally second life so gen Z would be stoked.

[shovelquest]

Or is that gen A?

^ In the dsytopian technocractic cyberpunk future corporatations will just send cyberninja wetwork squads (via a gig economy app of course when they aren't deliverying pizzas) to handle these anonying problems they have

Season 3 of WSestworld: Its a one of the best alone cyberpunk mini series

[Cecily]

^ In the dsytopian technocractic cyberpunk future corporatations will just send cyberninja wetwork squads (via a gig economy app of course when they aren't deliverying pizzas) to handle these anonying problems they have

That honestly sounds a lot more convenient for everyone than stretching out a court case for months. The corporations will win most of the time, but it allows for market disruption by highly motivated small organizations.

[Duik]

That honestly sounds a lot more convenient for everyone than stretching out a court case for months. The corporations will win most of the time, but it allows for market disruption by highly motivated small organizations.

Much like P99 raid scene. Clever 12 man groups edjumacating zergs.

[Cecily]

in the future, you are sentenced to permanently play Second Life with the most alarming perverts you can find on the lightnet

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[Xathos53]

^ In the dsytopian technocractic cyberpunk future corporatations will just send cyberninja wetwork squads (via a gig economy app of course when they aren't deliverying pizzas) to handle these anonying problems they have

Robert A. Heinlein had a kinda negative view of government towards the end of his life which is reflected quite well in his last five books which collectively form the World as Myth aspect of his writing. In Friday, he wrote that while governments existed, corporations were running the world. The US no longer existed and had turned into a bunch of smaller nations. He didn't specifically state it, but he suggested that the Balkanization of the larger nations had occurred because of corporations fighting amongst themselves. Smaller nations posed no threat to the corporations.

Corporate infighting was manifested via wars which to almost everyone's knowledge was between nations, but the corporate officials knew otherwise.

[Xathos53]

got any links? I want to read about it too.

Yes, here is where I am reading court docs regarding the case.
Daybreak Game Company LLC vs. Takahashi (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70555215/daybreak-game-company-llc-v-takahashi/)

No new docs have been filed since September 2nd.

[Xathos53]

I have always thought DBG would win the case from Day One. The THJ folks just got greedy and that is something DBG cannot allow or they won't win any cases like this in the future.

[shovelquest]

DBG cared about how THJ had a higher concurrent player base on an everquest server since the early 2000's.

Especially after their TLP launch flopped 1 month before the lawsuit.

The only greedy people here are DBG.

Good business would have been to host the THJ server on DBG servers and aquire the devs and make everyone happy.

But DBG got greedy.

THJ just made a better game.

[Duik]

The defendants claim by playing EverQuest and agreeing to the EULA, any disputes shall be resolved via arbitration.
This seems to be true and neither party disagrees.

Having not actually read it, Im sure it says somewhere "While playing on DNGs official servers these arbitration sessions shall occur" now im no lawyer but an EMU server isnt in fact and official server.
I'm predicting a punch in the face incomming for KRISTOHASHI &
ALEXALOR.

[shovelquest]

Yeah I have no clue who will win but I have a feeling daybreak games is literally as inept at law as they are at game development.

[Tann]

The only greedy people here are DBG



Lol wut... the only reason this lawsuit is even happening is because of all the money THJ was vacuuming in on the daily. Noone gives a shit about concurrent players, it's all about $$$.

THJ got greedy, there would be no lawsuit had these twats not ran an RMT cashshop.

[shovelquest]

Lol wut... the only reason this lawsuit is even happening is because of all the money THJ was vacuuming in on the daily. Noone gives a shit about concurrent players, it's all about $$$.

THJ got greedy, there would be no lawsuit had these twats not ran an RMT cashshop.

the lawsuit wasn't "we lost money" it was "irreparable harm"

the money is what allowes them to make the lawsuit happen.

They dont care about like two hundi's the THJ devs can buy with their profits.

Its the HARM that is being done to their brand.

Which is ironically the lawsuit is much more harm on their brand than the humiliation they went through with the fangbreaker flop.

[Reiwa]

the lawsuit wasn't "we lost money" it was "irreparable harm"

the money is what allowes them to make the lawsuit happen.

They dont care about like two hundi's the THJ devs can buy with their profits.

Its the HARM that is being done to their brand.

Which is ironically the lawsuit is much more harm on their brand than the humiliation they went through with the fangbreaker flop.

Have the last 3? expansions had any new art or models?

It doesn't count as publishing if you copy paste your previous works.

[Ekco]

they got new assets for the expanisons, they pay someone on www.fiverr.com 20bucks for each expansion i'm pretty sure.

[Irespectwomen]

Honestly, the argument is solid from THJ lawyers. In the Daybreak EULA it clearly states that "any dispute" will be handled by arbitration - and doesn't make any exceptions, (ie: IP infringement)

Bold move, Cotton - let's see how it plays out

A dispute while still reasonably within the parameters of the EULA. I don't think it makes much sense to legally bind one side to any clause of a contract when that contract has been egregiously ignored and broken by the other side.

[Irespectwomen]

DBG cared about how THJ had a higher concurrent player base on an everquest server since the early 2000's.

Especially after their TLP launch flopped 1 month before the lawsuit.

The only greedy people here are DBG.

Good business would have been to host the THJ server on DBG servers and aquire the devs and make everyone happy.

But DBG got greedy.

THJ just made a better game.

Holy shit man your logic is God forsakenly stupid. I already mentioned how THJ could have created their 'better game' and profited without digging themselves a grave. However they chose a business model for maximum profits despite it all, that is greedy.

[onmove_broke]

Regardless of what anyone thinks, anybody other than DBG who uses EQ IP is legally not allowed to unless they gave them permission like they have P1999. Just like Samsung cannot start making iphones. It is pretty cut any dry and any court worth a damn will side with DBG.

I'm not even sure why DBG needs to explain itself any further than "THJ is using our assets without our permission".

[Reiwa]

Equitable estoppel

This common-law doctrine prevents a party from asserting a claim if their previous conduct or statements led another party to believe a certain outcome, and that party relied on it to their detriment.
In patent law, it may prevent a patent owner from enforcing their patent against an infringer if they previously misled the infringer into believing they would not enforce their rights.

In trademark law, equitable estoppel (also called acquiescence) can be a defense to infringement. It applies if the trademark owner's past conduct or inaction indicated approval of the defendant's use of the mark, and the defendant relied on that apparent approval.

[vales]

you can use that as a defense against damages but not to continue operating the server

[Ekco]

Equitable estoppel

This common-law doctrine prevents a party from asserting a claim if their previous conduct or statements led another party to believe a certain outcome, and that party relied on it to their detriment.
In patent law, it may prevent a patent owner from enforcing their patent against an infringer if they previously misled the infringer into believing they would not enforce their rights.

In trademark law, equitable estoppel (also called acquiescence) can be a defense to infringement. It applies if the trademark owner's past conduct or inaction indicated approval of the defendant's use of the mark, and the defendant relied on that apparent approval.

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[Infectious]

Regardless of what anyone thinks, anybody other than DBG who uses EQ IP is legally not allowed to unless they gave them permission like they have P1999. Just like Samsung cannot start making iphones. It is pretty cut any dry and any court worth a damn will side with DBG.

I'm not even sure why DBG needs to explain itself any further than "THJ is using our assets without our permission".

Because DBG wants them to hand over all their code and they dont to.

[shovelquest]

Holy shit man your logic is God forsakenly stupid. I already mentioned how THJ could have created their 'better game' and profited without digging themselves a grave. However they chose a business model for maximum profits despite it all, that is greedy.

Oh go tell a woman about it.

[shovelquest]

Greed isnt

"wow cool this is a fun way to do donations"

you fucking commie sock puppet.

[shovelquest]

Greed is litreally some jack boot thug buying an IP with zero intention to develop it just to make a meager amount of money selling products to junkies that pay for 18 different accounts to play a game that the core fan base left because the owners of the IP hate them.

[Xathos53]

It's about the money. Irreparable harm is loss of money. We do not know how many THJ players were paying to play on DBG and either continued to do so or stopped paying to play on DBG. But DBG can do basic math and see how much their cash flow for EQ dropped when THJ came out.

Another point is that we've seen EQ emus come and go over the years. This is the first time DBG has gone after one. The main difference is the fact that THJ was collecting money far beyond what was needed to sustain a server. They were charging for all kinds of things and that was clearly noted in the lawsuit.

When they tell you it ain't about the money, it's ALWAYS about the money! - Bob Kendrick

[Xathos53]

Because DBG wants them to hand over all their code and they dont to.

They better get ready to hand over that code because DBG is going to win this case.

[shovelquest]

The thing that frustrates me is its not about "THE MONEY" it's about "money".

So like, yes you're right, but they are not going to spend 50k in court and lawyer fees to seize 30k in proffits some jack offs made.

Most people who say its about the money actually think that DBG is like, "oh no we could have paid for a team event with the money we lost, let's sue we NEED that."

It's about the money they will lose over the next 3+ years that THJ dominates them in the market.

[shovelquest]

They better get ready to hand over that code because DBG is going to win this case.

Who gives a shit, their programmers are people that larp and go to ren fairs instead of know how to program.

[shovelquest]

Another point is that we've seen EQ emus come and go over the years. This is the first time DBG has gone after one. The main difference is the fact that THJ was collecting money far beyond what was needed to sustain a server. They were charging for all kinds of things and that was clearly noted in the lawsuit.

There was also a concurrent player base that was 8x any of their recent TLPs peaks.

Don't cherry pick!

[shovelquest]

Im arguing that the reason the lawsuit is happenig is because of how big they got.

The donation system is the tool they use to file the lawsuit.

If they had no donations, it'd have been harder for them to shut them down but they likely still would have.

I don't even think p99 hit THJ numbers at its peak. But I could be wrong.

[Reiwa]

Do we get to find out through discovery how many players live now has?

[shovelquest]

Do we get to find out through discovery how many players live now has?

I hope the THJ team is like, as good at law as they are making everquest EMUs so we can see them completely unravel DBG.

Im not saying they are, i just saying I hope that. Would be awesome to see this result in DBG totally being pants downed humiliated by them lol

PC games should embrace modding and Im against any fortnight playing millennial that thinks DBG is in the right here.

[Ekco]

man... i just realized how fucking unglued shovel is gonna get when this case ends exactly how we all know its going to.

that shit is gonna be some real good reading

[Ekco]

Do we get to find out through discovery how many players live now has?

the human player to active account ratio would be hilarious to see, they'd need to break it out into groups though cause TLP is going to do all the heavy lifting in making it not seem as terrible i assume.

honestly surpised all the old servers haven't been merged into a single server by now

[shovelquest]

man... i just realized how fucking unglued shovel is gonna get when this case ends exactly how we all know its going to.

that shit is gonna be some real good reading

I literally do not care who wins or losses because it's already over and I know who is right in terms of the law.

I just like to stick up for the THJ devs whom I like very much.

HOWEVER I have lived long enough to know anyone who says the law is this or the law is that, needs to go look at rampage Jacksons son planning to and trying to murder someone all on video, who will walk, and become a UFC superstar.

You never know ohw this will play out, it could litreally blow up in DBGs face, and I hope it does. But Im not investing my heart and soul into beliving that happens yeesh.

I just told a retard on THJ that him trying to horde wealth was a waste of his life and i couldnt wait for the server to be shut down so he would wake up from his stupor.