If you knew our family.. please speak up, Nothing left..

[Froog]

on June 13th Amelinda wrote;

"Me too! *polishes her shiny ban hammer*"

In response to a thread on two box banning. I think maybe the enthusiasm made this person jump the gun? I don't know, all I know is a mistake was made and now here we are months later and no luck. It is literally impossible that it happened, there is no way (unless Amelinda thinks my 7 year old was boxing)


A few days after this energetic call to arms, lol our familys two main accounts were banned almost instantly with no chance to explain (that our 7 year old was on).

Ill explain quickly what happened, then I would like to ask the people of the server out there to please speak up if you have met/spoke/played with me and my family, as it seems I am being accused of twoboxing.... well was and bam gone.., when we have always tried to make the server a better place. I always tried on live as well if anyone is from Emarr and Remembers the Ogre War Froog, or the Woodelf Drood Claydar, (Retired Magister) and of course my rl freind alderac who plays(ed?) eldar now here Here is something we always used to say on this server. this may jog a few memories.. our motto was always..

"no.. you don't have to pay it back.. just pay it forward to someone in the future when you can afford to"

We helped a lot of people get quests done.. everything from helping kill randomn mobs to me and my GF staying for hours to help people get their peggy cloaks

Anyway. I was in my room on our familys trader (Rashene or Raylene one of the two)) transfering items bought to my GF's chars and one of C's(my son's). I would organize items into bags.. get it all set up.. then yell down the hall to C to "Hit Trade" and he would.. then he would go run off and do whatever, being 7 years old, lol.

This was the main reasoning according to Amelinda of why we were banned. "we never moved".

Anyone who has done any kind of character xfers knows how tedious it can be.. its not like Im going to run in circles, sigh.

So.. the second and the only other reason we were banned was of what happened next.

Amelinda summoned us to outside the tunnel... C must have noticed and got back on the comp and did exactly what I have always told him to do when in trouble.. run for the nearest zone, lol.. which is exactly what he did, not knowing why one of his chars was now far away and a shiny mob was in front of him.

I started to yell down the hall ""wait C she wants us to walk in seperate ways"".. i started to type what what was going on to Amelinda in game.. but to my astonishment.. i was never given the chance.. bam.. both accounts banned withing seconds of being summoned and told go in seperate ways.... I mean technecially he did go a seperate way lol.

We do not box... I physically CAN NOT BOX! lol I was injured a few years back and am on permanent disability and have limited use of my left hand arm and shoulder and I play eq using the mouse to do everything from look to attack. (You should see all the hotkeys I had, lol)..which is why the game meant so much to me too.. not many games out there you can play using the one hand. I highly doubt I could 2 box very well with one hand.

So, to prove its ot just me and my many personalities, or prove that I always tried to make the server a better place, please take a few seconds to say something if you knew us as Id really like the chance to come back, and my son is still upset, no matter how many times i tell him its not his fault or its only a game, because he blames himself for the bans.

Heck Rogean.. this is the guy that bugged you all the time about Boston when they were in the playoffs with the great Cannucks! lol, and after a few times of banishing to the catacombs, lol I know my GF logged in and nagged you about you putting one of her chars in there while I was on it, heh so I mean even you know that I don't box, sigh.

Well anyway here are my main Chars;

Veiled 47ish Human Monk
Trake 37 Erudite Necro
Travane 24ish Cleric
Zarrick 20ish Shaman
Claydar - 17ish Ranger
Froog 21 Fatty SK
Rallik 15ish Bard
Had a pally I never played much named Trake

I played a lot in MM and in Oasis lol and I played a lot with my GF on her drood Phury whom I gave to her at 24, lol basically to be a port slave, but dont tell her that lol.

My Gf's Chars.

Her most memorable lol IMO was Sphagetthi a female ogre SK that she only levelled to 10ish (stopped in NRO lol she hated the penalty)
Phury 49ish Woodelf Drood (We both used this char a lot to do character maintenance, but she used it the most)
Haize 25ish High Elf Mage
Shareen(a?) a wiz i think among a few other younger chars.
I think she had a wizard erudite named raylene a few other younger ones too

My 7 year olds characters;
Awesum a 10ish Dorf Cleric
Bluenose a 12ish high elf Mage
he also had a 10ish dorf war and pally, he basically just kept to Crushbone and orc hill, wandering a few times with me or his mom to NRO on his mage.

So many people were shocked to learn he was 7..as he was apretty decent player, or at least had a moment of realization if I was there or his mom helping him, we would send a quiet tell if someone was yelling at him to answer lol wed explain. The poor guy heh, he tried and tried but he just could never get the whole hit r then ent er then type.

Anyway.. We just want to come back, me the most as it meant a lot to me and I miss the game and all the friends ive made. I even miss you Arshis =) Grin

I don tknow if anythign will come of this post or if it will just be ignored.. its just my last desperate attempt to have this Amelinda see reason.

I mean I know we are guests on the server.. and we have always thanked any guide me and my gf saw for the chance to play on it..

its just we have always tried to make the server a better one, and tried to help keep the community friendly, We are not a negative influence on the server at all but we beielve a positive one and we would all like a chance to play again.

Please... it would be little for you to let us back.. and it would be a lot to us and it would mean the world to me.

[Arkyani]

I must admit.. I hear a lot of these stories about two boxing, but for some odd reason I actually believe this person. Doubt that will change anything, but sorry to hear about your unfortunate circumstances. A seven year old most likely wouldn't exactly grasp the idea of GM's, two boxing, and Amelinda's attempts to validate the two separate players.

[skulldudes]

it'd be in your best interest to take this to the petition board or send a private message.

you're just going to get trolled and flamed by irrational nerds on here.

[Extunarian]

it'd be in your best interest to take this to the petition board or send a private message.

you're just going to get trolled and flamed by irrational nerds on here.

[Alkorin]

Indeed, this should be in the Petition forum.

Keep in mind that you probably appeared to be two-boxing from an observer's point of view. GMs aren't omniscient. If you petition and your story checks out, who knows? Maybe they will unban your family's accounts.

[Eledar]

What was the name of your son's dorf warrior? That sounds familiar

[Ektar]

Too many lols, too much detail, too much sobsob and rationality. Ektar judges.. fake! Thank you all for listening

[Goraxx]

Y'all be posting in a troll thread.

[JenJen]

Recognise

[Structures_Fall]

cute. SUPERCUTE!

[pickled_heretic]

This thread just now (the last 3 posts actually) finally gave me the motivation i needed to turn off signatures.

[Palemoon]

I dunno, sounds like you were boxing.

[feanan]

who cares, we let over 300 cheaters stay on the server, whats one more, if he's telling the truth or not?

unban!

[feanan]

the fact is, anyone who has been banned since the server opened should be unbaned. Not sure why half the server gets away with cheating just because there were so many of them.

thus, i feel everyone should be allowed a one time ban exception. only seems fair

[Labyrrinth]

Good luck to you :) I hope your story is true, that it checks out and you are unbanned

[quenyar]

Too many lols, too much detail, too much sobsob and rationality. Ektar judges.. fake! Thank you all for listening

Lol, Ektar. Judging by your post count you have waay too much time on your hands.

@ Froog: I believe your story and I wish you best of luck in your endeavours. I am sure that the intelligent staff here will recognize your claim. A good tip: Family pictures of you, the missus and your 7 year old..

[Mordak]

I'm sorry but Amelinda has been throwing around her ban hammer too much lately. I know a few different circumstances where she has jumped the gun and banned people.

[Jogs]

I have never seen one good thing Amelinda has done to help people other than ban or suspend people.
You should get your account back~ you have a 7 year old son who is playing this game for the first time and enjoying it with him.

Start banning people who actually cheat/exploit or hack. Oh hai Perun

[Daldaen]

Or people who RMT. Hi Jogs only druid on server with Golden Efreeti BP

[Goraxx]

I have never seen one good thing Amelinda has done to help people other than ban or suspend people.
You should get your account back~ you have a 7 year old son who is playing this game for the first time and enjoying it with him.

Start banning people who actually cheat/exploit or hack. Oh hai Perun

Amelinda is the new Uthgaard.

You heard it here first.

[Nuggie]

You could give up in frustration OR get new IP's and start fresh. Just sayin.

[JackFlash]

Believe the op or not. Private servers utimately can/will do whatever the hell they want. QUIT!

[Ektar]

I've been hit where it hurts

[Diggles]

Ektar your post count is high therefore I don't have to hear yoi

[Palemoon]

thus, i feel everyone should be allowed a one time ban exception. only seems fair

No, then everyone would cheat until getting caught once. Would ruin the sever fast.

[pickled_heretic]

I have never seen one good thing Amelinda has done to help people other than ban or suspend people.
You should get your account back~ you have a 7 year old son who is playing this game for the first time and enjoying it with him.

Start banning people who actually cheat/exploit or hack. Oh hai Perun

her forum avatar tells the story - once you try to be rational you are labeled as a "jerk" and any further attempt to be reasonable will probably get you banned.

[pickled_heretic]

Amelinda is the new Uthgaard.

You heard it here first.

the difference being, uthgaard has a strong, logical mind and is capable of reason from time to time.

[Vohl]

I wish you and your family luck, Froog.

[Dr4z3r]

Amelinda is easily the most thorough and helpful Guide I've ever interacted with on P99.

Froog, while in your story you were certainly obeying the letter of the law with regards to boxing, if your son was running off to do whatever it is 7-year-olds do after you told him to hit a few buttons, then what you were doing wasn't that far from breaking the spirit of the rule.

[beentheredonethat]

This should be in a petition forum.

[Oncedark]

Amelinda is easily the most thorough and helpful Guide I've ever interacted with on P99.

Froog, while in your story you were certainly obeying the letter of the law with regards to boxing, if your son was running off to do whatever it is 7-year-olds do after you told him to hit a few buttons, then what you were doing wasn't that far from breaking the spirit of the rule.

"Spirit of the rule" is to not 2 box. If the story is true, he wasn't breaking any rules, intent of rule, or "spirit" of rules for that matter. I've had my son create an account just so I could safely trade items before. I absolutely wasn't 2 boxing and had no intent of doing so. You implying that such actions are even slightly nefarious is insulting.

OP, I hope you are telling the truth and that if so, you'll get your wish of another chance. Good luck.

[Dr4z3r]

The letter of the rule is not to 2-box.

The spirit of the rule is not to have 1 person controlling 2 characters.

[Felwithemagi]

Agreed should be in petition forum. Also OP, when you make your argument, lose the sentimentality about how helpful you have been to everyone as it makes you sound guilty. Just stick to the facts.

[Lavahorn]

i'd say just let those accused log into a teamspeak and chat it up with the guide about how they just suck at playing the game and are not twoboxing, for a seven year old tho...guess thats could be hard

[Palemoon]

I've had my son create an account just so I could safely trade items before.


inc a p99 baby boom as everyone creates accounts for their toddlers to buff and teleport their mains.

Yeah, thats really in the spirit of the rule.

[Kassel]

My unborn fetus logs in my druids for ports. All joking aside, you need a to post in the petiton forum with facts and lose the "story" If you are telling the truth i hope it works out for you. "nothing left" seems a little dramatic

[Palemoon]

My unborn fetus logs in my druids for ports.


LOL, I keep laughing thinking of you putting the cordless mouse on your wife's belly and commence teh 2boxin

[Asher]

inc a p99 baby boom as everyone creates accounts for their toddlers to buff and teleport their mains.

Yeah, thats really in the spirit of the rule.


I dont know about boxing by my 2.5 year old knows where the directional arrows are and loves to drown/kill me when I go AFK for short periods of time.

Asher

[trix]

I've always wondered how much evidence on 2-boxing leads to a ban. I mean, I got my roommate into EQ, and while I'm fairly confident I wont run into this problem, I can see many circumstances that would appear suspicious.

For example, currently my roommate and I usually hunt separately, being different levels. She's killing bandits in WK while I hunt in blackburrow. On top of that, due to schedules, we often play at different times anyway. However, there are times when she helps me catch up a little, and we hunt together. She has a bad habit (that I've been trying to break her of) of running off to the bathroom or get a drink or even to run to the gas station/McD's without announcing it or putting up her AFK flag. I could easily imagine a scenario where she is at the store leaving her character sitting in game and us being summoned the way the OP described. I can't exactly reach her room from mine and control both at once to satisfy the "run in opposite directions". This hasn't happened, probably because as I said we usually play in different areas, but I'd hate to have to be afraid of hunting together in case of banhammer.

What's worse, her computer sucks, and likes to freeze a lot also causing her character to sit there in the game for 5-10 minutes before going LD, though it happens most often when zoning.

The funny part is, a 2boxer that can alt+tab quickly probably COULD satisfy the 'opposite directions' thing simply using autorun.

I can see the difficulty in trying to stop 2boxing and the reasons to try, but at the same time I think "beyond a reasonable doubt" should be afforded to the suspected. Especially when, as mentioned, blatant cheaters get off with a warning.

[Kabilos]

See I am of a second mind when it comes to situations like this. Take it as you will but I view 2 boxing as being in a group (area) and not so much trading something to another toon but having 1 toon say a healer sitting there and having another character say (monk/rogue/warrior/ect..) there fighting and then healing. Or benefiting one way or the other. I don't see what she did as breaking any huge fraction of the law on the server. Take it as you will :)

[Ihealyou]

My unborn fetus logs in my druids for ports.

I am of the belief that after conception, its no longer 2 boxing. Don't let the liberals tell you otherwise.

[Diggles]

It seems that if you 2 box the old fashioned way with 2 comps you could get away Scott free

[Connador]

If this story is true, I'd be afraid to even be in the same zone as someone on my IP. Hopefully they at least look through activity logs, 'run in two directions' is a joke.

[casdegere]

I think the main issue is this: If the PC's are close enough together for 1 person to reach and use them and say, your partner is dying in game and IRL this partner is AFK...the MOMENT you reach over and move your partner your 2-boxing. With how rampant it is on this server and with how many people "have an excuse" the GMs have to be very critical. If you are playing with a 7 year old...(convenient..an age old enough to play but not old enough to really be able to type or notice text directed at them, nice choice) and one of you goes afk my suggestion is to camp if the afk is longer than a minute.

Posting their issue like this however...bad call. Why would anyone want to re-instate you now?

[Vasilyevich]

I am trying to get an IP exemption to be able to play with my kids but i hope i dont have to worry about this kind of stuff.

[Bohab]

ugh.... really? whhhhhhhhhhhhyyyy

[skulldudes]

it just seems a little rash to me to outright ban people for "2-boxing" an item xfer, anyway. it's just convenient.

not that it's completely necessary. my girlfriend plays with me and her laptop generally sits about 2 feet to my left on the couch and 90% of the time i still do item drop transfers (the other 10% of the time i wait for her to get home because i need to transfer plat). i'm obviously afraid to do it because shit like this could happen.

[Lazortag]

Like I've said before, the guides typically go on more than just a hunch before banning people for 2-boxing. Just because something "looks suspicious" doesn't mean you're likely to get banned for it. I have an IP exemption with my girlfriend and it must look suspicious sometimes considering I am always PLing her, and I'm sure I've even been watched by a guide once or twice, but despite this clearly no one has felt they had enough evidence for a ban (or else I wouldn't still be here!). I've never even been accused of 2-boxing so I don't see where people are getting this idea that there's a witch hunt.

This isn't all to say that the guides are infallible, I'm sure they've occasionally banned people mistakenly, but you're more likely to get help if you use the petitions forum than if you make a public appeal to the staff.

[Kevlar]

is it two boxing if my wife is playing angry birds while i pl her?

j/k

[toddfx]

Guess it's time to switch ISPs!

[tefog]

Sorry but i dont beleive you. KEEP THE BANHAMMER!

[MrSparkle001]

I say give him the benefit of the doubt (as if it matters what I say). I know the feeling of being wrongly banned - if anyone has ever played Wyvern online, you know Arilou. Well he recommended Teshuvah permanently ban one of my characters because of an accident and told me flat out "I think you're lying" when I tried explaining what had happened. I still have a screenshot of the mail he sent me saying that.

I think it's an interesting story, so if you're interested: As a low level I used a Summon Shoggoth scroll (high level summon, lets you clear entire high level areas) in desperation in a random dungeon, but everything happened so fast that I died before it took effect, and I found myself in the nearby church with a now useless Shoggoth that cost a lot of money at my low level. Yeah, the game sucked that way. I figured I'd log for the night, not knowing that unlike other games like EQ your summons in Wyvern not only stick around after you log, but turn hostile too. This Shoggoth apparently killed all low levels who appeared in the church, and as that's the place where you're resurrected after dying they wound up in death loops.

How the hell was I supposed to know it would stick around and turn hostile? No other game does that. After explaining it to Arilou in an appeal of the ban the next day, he said he thought I did it on purpose to grief, lied about Teshuvah repeatedly warning me about it (which never happened, I was logged off for the night. Either Arilou lied or Teshuvah lied to him about warning me), and accused me of lying with that "story", and so he told Teshuvah to ban my character permanently. Not long after this incident they changed it so you couldn't summon in churches.

My vindication is that the game is currently offline, has been for months and might be permanently gone.

It's an awful feeling, knowing you didn't do what you're accused of doing and nobody believes you.

A lot of people play MMORPGS on the same IP so it's not like this story is far-fetched. Give him the benefit of the doubt and save him from the awful feeling I once had myself.

EDIT: spoiler tags don't work :)

[Kevlar]

So they banned you for griefing, or banned you for being a dumbass. Either way you deserved it.

[Groo]

The thought of a kid under 12 playing EQ kind of blows my mind. When I was 7 years old, I probably hadn't even thought of the possibility yet of playing an online RPG. We had DOS-based games, and classic D&D. I remember using BASIC to make my own text-based RPGs on my Apple IIe when I was about 10 years old.

[Giovanni]

When I played p99, I would see people running around the newbie zone with a cleric on /follow. I am sure your wife/grandma/brother/dog was just afk for a moment.

[Tappin]

The thought of a kid under 12 playing EQ kind of blows my mind. When I was 7 years old, I probably hadn't even thought of the possibility yet of playing an online RPG. We had DOS-based games, and classic D&D. I remember using BASIC to make my own text-based RPGs on my Apple IIe when I was about 10 years old.

I was like 10 or 11 back when i first played EQ classic. I never made it past 30 though =/

[Gris]

Regardless of whether your story is true, I can't get over the absurdly melodramatic title of this thread. I almost feel embarrassed just reading it.

[Galacticus]

Troll or not this guy put in some real effort. Let him come back for pitty's sake.

[Ektar]

So I haven't read every post... mainly the long ones or any I deemed stupid for one reason or another, but ya KNOW~ just because some random person says the boxing test is "run in two different directions" doesn't mean that's the actual test... ya KNOW that, right? Some of you guys are kinda running away with it there :P

[Knuckle]

Amelinda is one of the Guiding Hands of KA. You were banned for a reason, scum.

[Froog]

The reason for the title is that for the last three months I have been trying to reason with Amelinda in the petition forum and all i ever get is "Twoboxing is (direct cut and paste responses from amelinda in petion forums;)

**i will admit it was only about 90 seconds from when i summoned until when i banned which might have been a little fast. but when i banned the accounts... i was 100% sure of myself.

Boxing is a perma ban. Sorry for any inconvenience.

or;
I know what a big deal it would be/is to lose 1000's of hours worth of work in a moment.


or;

i know that it must really suck to lose your characters.

sigh.. after asking and complaining a few times in petitions Amelinda claims shes 100% sure of herself and no matter how much begging or cajoling i do, she will not change her mind.

Completely confused by now I ask for clarification and get a resonse that she watched me for days and days and days and she never saw two characters move at once from our accounts.
Knowing this was absolutely physically impossible as I explained before (and no offence to my GF lol but she nor my 7 year old son would have the skill or experience to 2 box)... i asked for clarification. Asked her(him?) to just name one other character that was "observed" for days and days that did not move.. just one.. i mean if she paid that close attention for such a long period of time i would suspect at least one char she was examining so closely would come to mind.

nothing. just.. my decision is final.

As i know that is completely impossible (unless lets say it was two traders in ec sitting there, lol i suppose that could be possible if me and gf were scanning prices or something at the same time.. but I double checked with GF and she said no.

Anyway.... the argument doesnt make sense anyway.. why would she watch for "days and days apparently 100% sure i was boxing the whole time.. then pull a couple traders in EC out to do this test.

If i was boxing as claimed why not pull the chracters that were apparently boxed at the time and do it then... at this point I was actually getting pretty mad and actually pretty stunned because as much as I don't like questioning nyones integrity..I knew "100%" that this person was flat out lying to me to, I can only assume, try and justify the ban that should not have happened in the first place. I did not want to get into a petty im right your right argument with this person, because apparently they had no qualms of spouting blunt face lies, so I just asked for any kind of proof, or memory of where i was apparently boxing, or any of the characters names.. or even a class for that matter, and there was no response at all other then a few days later with the "no amount of begging will change my mind.

Oddly, total and complete silence from any of the other guides/gms. I have met Uthgaar and so has GF, same with Rogaen, Uthgaar.. you 100% rezzed me and GF in MM twice on server lags and if we werent moving at the same time im sure you would have noticed, lol as if anyone scared me it was you... (lol remember you banned us once as a mistake but it was because me and my kid sold some guy a few bags of saved up CB belts, lol.

You investigated after my stuned post asking why we were banned.. you quickly figured it out and apologuised and reinstated the accounts. Very fair, level headed and professional.

All im asking for is th exact same thing again. To be treated fairly, to investigate the issue and make a level headed professional decision, not a

Im right dammit never mind the facts, Im right becuase I kniow I am~!.. proof?? I dont need no stinking proof!.... +++hold on let me grab a bit of salt here..++ (another quote from amelind;

"First of all i am deeply sorry that you are so stressed out about this"

Anyway, I am again starting to get upset. We are willing at any point to join a vent server and chat with the GM's.. heck we will even do a video call if you want, the three of us.

Considering it only took Uthgaar moments to bring out the code of the belt sales.. or to pull my rotted body from the air after I was late getting back from overseas "parade the brave crips" so called troop morale boosting events, isnt there a way you could just type in any of our characters names and see that we most definately almost always moved at the same time.. (I mean I suppose if me or GF or C were medding.. its possible for brief periods of time we werent moving.. but I mean its kind of hard to med if your running around like a chicken with its head cut off.. lol

I mean the two characters we played together the most were veiled my monk and Phury.. her drood. (both late 40's.. played in Sol a lot.. MM a lot..lguk a while..(anyone who was anywhere near raster for the few days I was there (jokingly complain the whole time in ooc on veiled and GF was easing me on Phury lol, is one of the more recent things I remember) There are definately lots of people that should be able to vouch for us lol im guessing not a lot bother with the boards.. in all honesty we never did much either except to click a banner before log in every time.

I mean one fast glance at a log of those two chars can vindicate us.

i do understand this is a private server as someone stated...we have zero power or recourse, and we get that, and are grateful to be able to play here.. Its just we havent heard from anyone but the person who banned us and cant provide any tick of supporting info of her claims... refuses to even accept we might be telling the truth here and maybe there might be the miniscule possibility that she might be human and a mistake might have been made..
I have nothing but respect for Uthgaar and Rogaen.. if they as well think that I am some mad one armed 2 boxer.. hell, Ill shut up.. go away and accept the decision out of respect for the fact they gave us the time on this server, and I know they would make a rational and honest decision on what they truely beleived..not some snap ban and refusal to accept any other reasoning then thier own.

Video Chat?

Ventrillo?

A quick glance at a server log? (I honestly have no idea if that would be easy or not, lol or if even possible, but if it is.. that allone would prove our point if checked in the last few "days and days" before our ban and it will show we most definately did move at the same time any time we were on together... heck check chat logs.. C didnt talk allot but me and my gf sure did in tells.. in grps together or with others.... unless I am a split personality.. 200 word a minute one handed typing phenomenon.. wouldnt that prove as well?

[Snickers]

The problem with playing on a privately owned free to play server is that the customer service provided is 100% voluntary. If you become an annoyance in any way they can simply ban you, ignore you, and never look back. It seems to me that requesting an IP exemption is just begging to get banned. Even if you are 100% legit, if a GM sees 2 accounts on 1 IP and your spouse/kid/roommate happens to be afk it could be game over at any time. Perma ban. Decision final. Have a nice day!

Its too bad really, you seem like an OK dude and you obviously enjoyed and miss playing on P99 to go through all this trouble. Best of luck to your family in whatever you decide to do next, because you more than likely won't be playing here anymore.

[mostbitter]

You should use this as an opportunity to teach your kid about accepting loss, also maybe quit crying about it and maybe don't tell him that it was his fault you got banned in the first place then maybe he won't feel guilty. How hard is it to really convince a 7 y/o kid of anything? Not that I buy any of your story anyway. I've got two good hands and I don't type as much as you do.

[Moggster]

I've got two good hands and I don't type as much as you do.

^ thats a good point, but a imagine most ppl are thinking tl;dr either way

[Cwall]

a slap on the wrist for people confirmed hacking
a ban without appeal for someone who might have been 2boxing

wat

[Daliant17447]

If only he had been 365 boxing instead of just 2 boxing he might have just got a warning and lost some plat/exp

[Aenor]

a slap on the wrist for people confirmed hacking
a ban without appeal for someone who might have been 2boxing

Bluebie Everquest is about jealousy. The more time you invest and the better you play and network, the better your gear. And that is the only scorecard in the game.

So for the uberest of the uber guilds to be confirmed hacked their way to the top, that completely breaks the game. Make the punishment fit the crime, and if you're going to be lenient to one group of players, be lenient to all or you come across as petty.

[Alkorin]

^ thats a good point, but a imagine most ppl are thinking tl;dr either way

How is this a good point? Brevity has nothing to do with how many working arms/hands you have. Seriously?

I've never read so much drivel in my life. Half the posters on this thread make me doubt my faith in humanity, but "I have two hands and I type less, therefore you're lying" is over the top.

[Estrang]

I know this family and they are pure bred boxers

[DoucLangur]

@Froog: One point that seemed to escape you in your last (long) post: It is absolutely not helping you in any way that you were clearly not boxing at *some* or even *many* time previously in the game. If someone used an IP excemption at a single instance to e.g. conveniently log on his roommates cleric for extra healing/rezzing/buffing whatever, then that is still boxing against the rules and deserves the ban.

I am not saying you did that, I would just like you to understand there is simply no point in appealing to others that can speak up for you to prove that your son/wife were playing their own toons at some time in the past.

However, I have had conversations with Amelinda and found her to be a bit quick with the ban hammer on *one* occasion (not myself), but generally friendly and it shouldn't be a problem to talk with her about things. What you quote above confirms that assessment more than the opposite.

So if you have not been able to sort this out in PMs / petition, maybe you made some mistakes in the process. This thread is not going to help you, I am afraid.

Best of luck!

Slozem

[MrSparkle001]

So they banned you for griefing, or banned you for being a dumbass. Either way you deserved it.

If that's directed at me, well this thread is not about me, and if you knew the GMs of that game you wouldn't be surprised at their actions. That's also a free game run privately, and you often get GMs that either don't care or get a bit too addicted to the "power", and there's nothing you can do about it.

(Plus in that game, your pets stick around after you log off and go hostile? Wtf is that? Imagine if EQ was like that. Imagine high level magicians and necros logging off in EC tunnel and their pets running around massacring people).

The OP seems to be getting nowhere with his appeals. I feel his pain, as I feel he's innocent. Unfortunately this is not Sony and so they have zero reason to consider your appeals. Private servers are a bitch that way (not to mention some can be downright biased, like giving certain players/guilds preference over others).

You might have to just suck it up and start again. That's one of the perils of playing on a private server - they have the right to not give a damn and even revel in your frustration. And believe me, on some private servers they do.

(I'm not saying that's what's happening here. Just saying you're SoL when you play on a private server, and to expect and accept it)

[Kassel]

Asking for a IP exception has an inherent risk of looking like a cheater. The player has a much higher duty of care to act in a manner that does not look like 2 boxing. If you are uncomfortable with this you should not request an exemption. If you were not aware of the required higher duty of care i dont know what to tell you.

[Evoken]

I think n00dz of girlfriend would help your case.

[Fryhole]

I thought the penalty for cheating was you just lose some lvls off your characters. *shrug*

[Tokum-6n0m3]

I know this isn't really the response you were looking for.....but.....

Hey Froog, I used to play a gnome cleric on Emarr named Tokum. Was in Affliction towards the end of my time on emarr but played from classic through GoD~

Recognized your name man, been awhile, hope they get this figured out for ya. Love when old names appear on here from Emarr~

[Skrappy]

both accounts banned withing seconds of being summoned and told go in seperate ways....
i have a variety of different tests i use. a variety of different 2-box catching tricks i use. i don't think i've ever said 'run in 2 different directions'
^^ = http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51508

Well anyway here are my main Chars;

Veiled 47ish Human Monk
Trake 37 Erudite Necro
Travane 24ish Cleric
Zarrick 20ish Shaman
Claydar - 17ish Ranger
Froog 21 Fatty SK
Rallik 15ish Bard
Had a pally I never played much named Trake
hmm...

[inyane]

So maybe he deleted the worthless pally and made a necro? Note the word "had"

Regardless, they've let over 300+ known cheaters stay on the server, in direct contradiction to the posted rules. Rules people broke, even knowing what the stated penalty would be.

What's one more, on the off chance that he is really telling the truth?

[Kevlar]

Dude, call your ISP, tell them you need a new static IP. Make a new account, put in for another ip exemption, and you can get back to boxing.

Trying to blame a 7 year old kid for your cheating is pretty lame. Next time just man up when you get caught.

[jarshale]

From the title I thought your house was destroyed or your family died.

[Comapavik]

Your 2 boxing ban is karma for impersonating Durison.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10376&highlight=Trake

Don't think we forgot about your shennanigans. Your foul deeds have earned my contempt.

[Kassel]

Magnum PI all up in here

[Kevlar]

Your 2 boxing ban is karma for impersonating Durison.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10376&highlight=Trake

Don't think we forgot about your shennanigans. Your foul deeds have earned my contempt.

Now the only question is, was he really in a group that time on orc hill? Or was he boxing all six toons?

If someone managed to kite and kill something in the time it took them to loot all their corpses I'm gonna go with boxing.

[Giovanni]

Why haven't we seen any posts from your 5 year old son who mains the banned character?

If this was really his character, he should be the one posting on the boards. Seems like there is one person posting for the whole family *cough* buff bot multi-boxed crew.

At least post pictures of your son/wife/gf/grandmother/goldfish.

[Tappin]

This is the exact reason why I haven't asked for the IP exemption. My fiance has wanted to play the game with me from time to time but she would prob play a druid/cleric/shaman anyways, and spend most her time buffing/healing and the rest of the time sitting on the ground medding, appearing to be AFK. She just plays on my account instead, which sucks but it's not worth getting banned over.

[deathgirl]

ame free froog

[Dark Knight]

Aka you were running back and forth down the hall xfering stuff yourself.
Good work Amelinda.

[Hailto]

The title of this thread cracks me up, it sounds like something you would write if your kid was in the hospital and you just had to file bankruptcy and you desperately need help. Instead its about losing your EQ characters, lmao.

[Froog]

The title of this thread cracks me up, it sounds like something you would write if your kid was in the hospital and you just had to file bankruptcy and you desperately need help. Instead its about losing your EQ characters, lmao.

Oh good finally!
Mission accomplished. Our whole goal in posting our situation was to get a good chuckle out of you.
We've been waiting and hoping we'd hear from you.
Now that you took the time to post your amusement, we can give each other high fives and congradulate each other on a job well done.

Anyway, Rogaen or Uthgaar, if you guys don't want to post or anything we will quietly keep checking the accounts and see if they are reinstated.

/crosses fingers

[Diggles]

confirmed troll he's asking for uthgaard assistance

[Hailto]

Oh good finally!
Mission accomplished. Our whole goal in posting our situation was to get a good chuckle out of you.
We've been waiting and hoping we'd hear from you.
Now that you took the time to post your amusement, we can give each other high fives and congradulate each other on a job well done.

Anyway, Rogaen or Uthgaar, if you guys don't want to post or anything we will quietly keep checking the accounts and see if they are reinstated.

/crosses fingers

You have succeeded admirably sir, best wishes to you and yours during this troubling time.

[Bazia]

Why does everyone's gf/wife want to play druids/clerics :confused:

[Diggles]

nuturing instinct

[georgie]

rofl

[Comapavik]

On a serious note, my wife speaks limited English, and she's terrible at EQ. If anyone watched her characters run around, she would look like she was being 2 boxed. So after a few tries on p99, we just decided to roll a duo over on one of the easier servers. Maybe if she ever gets good, we'll try playing together on p99 again, but for your situation? Probably better off just going to another server.

When I'm playing by myself, I play on p99 and do groups and stuff.

When we're playing together, we duo on another server. Sounds like you liked to duo a lot anyway, so win/win for everyone.

[Froog]

[QUOTE=Comapavik;433327] but for your situation? Probably better off just going to another server.QUOTE]

Not trying to offend here, but would you feel/think the same way if the characters you spent countless hours gearing/levelling/questing etc were suddenly banned for something that was physically impossible?

Little things like even the names you have carried in almost every MMO would be gone.

Not to mention the amount of platinum you have invested into your characters gear? heck the FBSS alone on my monk would take weeks to save up for, unless I wanted to sit in ec and rack up the prices on stuff by becoming a reseller and gouging people. A true new person to the server would have a hard time affording anything really that they didnt win a grp or was given, and most everything half decent doesn't really drop till mid 40's. Unfortunately thats what happens in any MMO when its been out for a while. The goldfarmers and resellers make everyday items unattainable to the true newbie....



...anyway thats a different argument for a different thread, I do understand you were just trying to help though =)

P.S. Hi Tokum, It has been a while. I have seen a few people on this server from goold old emarr, there is even a Ring Of Destiny guild (Was?) with quite a few old Emarr pple in it.

[Cheech]

Wow Froog. I played on Emarr as well. I played a bard warrior named Jalgurin or a gnome sk named Cheach. I member very well. Send me a PM!

[visage]

on June 13th Amelinda wrote;

"Me too! *polishes her shiny ban hammer*"

In response to a thread on two box banning. I think maybe the enthusiasm made this person jump the gun? I don't know, all I know is a mistake was made and now here we are months later and no luck. It is literally impossible that it happened, there is no way (unless Amelinda thinks my 7 year old was boxing)


A few days after this energetic call to arms, lol our familys two main accounts were banned almost instantly with no chance to explain (that our 7 year old was on).

Ill explain quickly what happened, then I would like to ask the people of the server out there to please speak up if you have met/spoke/played with me and my family, as it seems I am being accused of twoboxing.... well was and bam gone.., when we have always tried to make the server a better place. I always tried on live as well if anyone is from Emarr and Remembers the Ogre War Froog, or the Woodelf Drood Claydar, (Retired Magister) and of course my rl freind alderac who plays(ed?) eldar now here Here is something we always used to say on this server. this may jog a few memories.. our motto was always..

"no.. you don't have to pay it back.. just pay it forward to someone in the future when you can afford to"

We helped a lot of people get quests done.. everything from helping kill randomn mobs to me and my GF staying for hours to help people get their peggy cloaks

Anyway. I was in my room on our familys trader (Rashene or Raylene one of the two)) transfering items bought to my GF's chars and one of C's(my son's). I would organize items into bags.. get it all set up.. then yell down the hall to C to "Hit Trade" and he would.. then he would go run off and do whatever, being 7 years old, lol.

This was the main reasoning according to Amelinda of why we were banned. "we never moved".

Anyone who has done any kind of character xfers knows how tedious it can be.. its not like Im going to run in circles, sigh.

So.. the second and the only other reason we were banned was of what happened next.

Amelinda summoned us to outside the tunnel... C must have noticed and got back on the comp and did exactly what I have always told him to do when in trouble.. run for the nearest zone, lol.. which is exactly what he did, not knowing why one of his chars was now far away and a shiny mob was in front of him.

I started to yell down the hall ""wait C she wants us to walk in seperate ways"".. i started to type what what was going on to Amelinda in game.. but to my astonishment.. i was never given the chance.. bam.. both accounts banned withing seconds of being summoned and told go in seperate ways.... I mean technecially he did go a seperate way lol.

We do not box... I physically CAN NOT BOX! lol I was injured a few years back and am on permanent disability and have limited use of my left hand arm and shoulder and I play eq using the mouse to do everything from look to attack. (You should see all the hotkeys I had, lol)..which is why the game meant so much to me too.. not many games out there you can play using the one hand. I highly doubt I could 2 box very well with one hand.

So, to prove its ot just me and my many personalities, or prove that I always tried to make the server a better place, please take a few seconds to say something if you knew us as Id really like the chance to come back, and my son is still upset, no matter how many times i tell him its not his fault or its only a game, because he blames himself for the bans.

Heck Rogean.. this is the guy that bugged you all the time about Boston when they were in the playoffs with the great Cannucks! lol, and after a few times of banishing to the catacombs, lol I know my GF logged in and nagged you about you putting one of her chars in there while I was on it, heh so I mean even you know that I don't box, sigh.

Well anyway here are my main Chars;

Veiled 47ish Human Monk
Trake 37 Erudite Necro
Travane 24ish Cleric
Zarrick 20ish Shaman
Claydar - 17ish Ranger
Froog 21 Fatty SK
Rallik 15ish Bard
Had a pally I never played much named Trake

I played a lot in MM and in Oasis lol and I played a lot with my GF on her drood Phury whom I gave to her at 24, lol basically to be a port slave, but dont tell her that lol.

My Gf's Chars.

Her most memorable lol IMO was Sphagetthi a female ogre SK that she only levelled to 10ish (stopped in NRO lol she hated the penalty)
Phury 49ish Woodelf Drood (We both used this char a lot to do character maintenance, but she used it the most)
Haize 25ish High Elf Mage
Shareen(a?) a wiz i think among a few other younger chars.
I think she had a wizard erudite named raylene a few other younger ones too

My 7 year olds characters;
Awesum a 10ish Dorf Cleric
Bluenose a 12ish high elf Mage
he also had a 10ish dorf war and pally, he basically just kept to Crushbone and orc hill, wandering a few times with me or his mom to NRO on his mage.

So many people were shocked to learn he was 7..as he was apretty decent player, or at least had a moment of realization if I was there or his mom helping him, we would send a quiet tell if someone was yelling at him to answer lol wed explain. The poor guy heh, he tried and tried but he just could never get the whole hit r then ent er then type.

Anyway.. We just want to come back, me the most as it meant a lot to me and I miss the game and all the friends ive made. I even miss you Arshis =) Grin

I don tknow if anythign will come of this post or if it will just be ignored.. its just my last desperate attempt to have this Amelinda see reason.

I mean I know we are guests on the server.. and we have always thanked any guide me and my gf saw for the chance to play on it..

its just we have always tried to make the server a better one, and tried to help keep the community friendly, We are not a negative influence on the server at all but we beielve a positive one and we would all like a chance to play again.

Please... it would be little for you to let us back.. and it would be a lot to us and it would mean the world to me.

LOL

[visage]

WHen I am 4 boxing it looks like I am 2 boxing

[Malloy]

I believe him!!!
+1 for UNBAN

[Froog]

Wow Froog. I played on Emarr as well. I played a bard warrior named Jalgurin or a gnome sk named Cheach. I member very well. Send me a PM!

LOL! I remember you Cheach, we grouped a lot, I remember you being a latenighter like me, grinden out the AA's, with you chainpulling on to Froog. We used to have aggro wars, lol I used to get sooo pissed at pally's sk's ability to grab/hold tuant.

Then there was that server wide warrior strike heh, and with Time exp pack brought the DBoTWL and other items that finnally made wars a lot better at snap aggro without disc.

[Froog]

a slap on the wrist for people confirmed hacking
a ban without appeal for someone who might have been 2boxing

wat

Ive read a few posts in this thread talking about a bunch of peeople who were caught blatantly hacking or somethign and admitted it? And no ban?.. this must have occured after our accounts were banned, what happened?

[Nirgon]

The rule is don't do it at all. You can't have someone take a long break while you play both chars. If neither *ever* move at the same time and she watched you for days... I mean this kind of falls into the "my son wants to play" and you get caught deal to me. I mean it wasn't one occasion, it is for *days*.

[Holysmoke]

lol our familys two main accounts were banned

Doesn't sound like you are genuinely upset by what happened, considering you are laughing about it... and the fact that you go on to say "lol" 13 more times in your original post....

...Man I thought lol was something we type when we are "laughing out loud" at something?!! Oh how times have changed...

[Kabilos]

lol...

[Froog]

First of all, thank you to all the people so far that have posted thier support and well wishes. Its greatly appreciated =) And the one or two people that have the opinion that I may be, or am lying, I honeslty respect your view of the situation,I just disagree with you regarding this issue=)

As far as the fewlolz l00k at mez!I g0nna post some randomn a$$ hateful nonsense" board troll remarks, We knew from any previous public board posting, regardless of the content, that posting in the open forums would inevetibly have a few of these gems of wisdom sprinkled in. No harm no foul, just ignored.

Then there are the posts that are unfortunately a lot more harmful as they will distort a remark or sentence, imply something that is complete fiction, or take one sentence/remark out of context, or even put words in other's mouths to try (and unfortunately sometimes succeed) and make pple believe its already a forgone fact; The rule is don't do it at all. You can't have someone take a long break while you play both chars. If neither *ever* move at the same time and she watched you for days... I mean this kind of falls into the "my son wants to play" and you get caught deal to me. I mean it wasn't one occasion, it is for *days*.

A lot of the time it will come across as a rational viewpoint/opinion, But in reality Its the same hateful bull%^$# as the idiot flamers, just a more intelligent, coherent version of it. These posters put a lot more effort into being vindictive douchebags. generally all you have to do though is take a look at any of their previous posts to realize that all they do is aredently disagree, slam, insult,and flame people for some unfathomable reason. Theres rarely, if ever, a positive remark out of thier mouths. Unfortunately, they can keep up thier hateful ways because people wont or are unable to take the time to closer look at the poster, and put thier comment into perspective.

These posters will convieniently leave out everything else... like the fact that I was the one that said she informed us she was watching for days after we suggested she made a hasty decision.

And that not one single scrap of supporting evidence was offered, just more "my decision is final and thats that" comments. Anyway as far as that goes, I think the "this wasn't a hasty, badly made decision, i have been watching for days' was just a baseless defensive reaction to having her decision questioned.

I could not have been watched for days not moving or whatever on two different characters because it did not happen. Any check of server logs would more then verify that I would think.

I am hoping the powers that be will get around to looking into this at some point, I understand they are pretty busy testing and stuff.

From any interaction i've had with the "management" on this server -they seem pretty on the ball and fair, I can't see them not even granting the dignity of a response.

A lot posts ive read in this thread and others have said that Amelinda has never done anything good for anyone and basically just runs around gleefully abusing the little power she has, punishing people.

Although I apreciate the sentiment of support (thank you =),and lord knows im not her biggest fan, lol, I think that stating she never helps anyone may be an exxageration.. at least i hope it is, or someone has burned out from the thankless masses and needs a break.
In Amelinda's defence, being a guide or GM or even an officer or leader of a guild is generally a thankless job. You can't make everyone happy and most people just remember the negative things and forget the good. Or think that some decision made opposite thier viewpoint was personal and aimed directly at them. Often there is a percieved personal slight or grudge that you have no idea about and never intended and for the next month or so this person will argue every decision you make, regardless of the merit, just out of spite.

This being said, i truely believe our bans were a mistake, and was not personal at all. i don't believe we were targeted.

I think that maybe a hasty opinion was made..(who knows, guides are human, maybe she was just having a bad day) .. and square pegs were hammered into round holes to fit that original opinion.

I am hoping she can put aside whatever defensive reflex is holding her back and take a logical, unbiased look at the situation and facts, or Rogean or any other guide can look at this and come to thier own opinion as well.

I understand the need for public continuity in leadership decisions,...

so again, I will keep quietly checking my pm's and we will keep checking the accounts that were banned to see if they have been reinstated, and we will never bring this up again if we are allowed to come back.
In fact ,we will oddly enough; have a complete memory loss about this if asked, heh, just please, please let us play again =/

Surely someone has had a helpful, positive experience with Amelinda, where she helped someone in need?

[Curmudgen]

To the OP: you have made your statement, why are you still posting? Hopefully you posted also in the appropriate forum....it either will be ignored or you will contacted. You made a post here and it will be ignored or acted upon by the devs that have shown in the past that they do read in here.

Can you not now just let it alone? Do you have an urge to respond to everyone who can do absolutely nothing to help you?

I don't get it. And please don't respond to this post

[Kevlar]

Froog, do you blame your 7 year old any time you get caught doing something wrong?

"Sorry officer, I was only speeding because my child is incontinent and we have to rush home to the bathroom."

[pickled_heretic]

To the OP: you have made your statement, why are you still posting? Hopefully you posted also in the appropriate forum....it either will be ignored or you will contacted. You made a post here and it will be ignored or acted upon by the devs that have shown in the past that they do read in here.

Can you not now just let it alone? Do you have an urge to respond to everyone who can do absolutely nothing to help you?

I don't get it. And please don't respond to this post


You ask him a question... then you tell him to not respond to your question? how asinine can one possibly get?

plz dont respond to my question

[Aesop]

This whole thread is sad in a way I can't begin to explain.

[Palemoon]

To OP:

You said this has been (you fighting the ban) going on for months. So this public post is some attempt to put pressure on the devs to get things changed I take it.

You are basically insinuating the guide is wrong and has it out to get you (for no apparent reason). This whole thread is just a publicity campagin to garner sympathy, and useing your "kids" to further that.

You were monitored for a long time before your ban, you got caught. The guide is not out to get you, did not make stuff up to ensnare you, and you have not even "gotten the dignity of a response" from the devs because your case had and has no merit.

I'm glad you posted this though, hopefully it will deter other potential boxers from 2boxing. I'm all for making all crimes and punishments public (as I posted a thread on before). Baring that, I'd like to see all you criminals "confess" in threads similar to this, it will cut down on future rule breaking.

P.S. Amelinda, keep on keeping on. I picture you as Wonder Woman, flying around Norath in your invisible Jet machine gunning cheaters down.

[feanan]

Ive read a few posts in this thread talking about a bunch of peeople who were caught blatantly hacking or somethign and admitted it? And no ban?.. this must have occured after our accounts were banned, what happened?

It wasn't just a "bunch" of people. It was like 1/3 of the server population, probably more.

You can search the forum for the shit storm that occurred.

Well, they caught over 350 people cheating. And instead of following their own posted rules concerning the matter, they decided to offer blanket amnesty to them all. (they did get a slight level reduction)

I guess they decided the server population mattered a bit more than they thought. Or a lot of cheaters were their friends, or in the top guilds.

It's total bullshit, but the majority of people seem to not care either way, so...whatever.

[pickled_heretic]

To OP:

You said this has been (you fighting the ban) going on for months. So this public post is some attempt to put pressure on the devs to get things changed I take it.

You are basically insinuating the guide is wrong and has it out to get you (for no apparent reason). This whole thread is just a publicity campagin to garner sympathy, and useing your "kids" to further that.

You were monitored for a long time before your ban, you got caught. The guide is not out to get you, did not make stuff up to ensnare you, and you have not even "gotten the dignity of a response" from the devs because your case had and has no merit.

I'm glad you posted this though, hopefully it will deter other potential boxers from 2boxing. I'm all for making all crimes and punishments public (as I posted a thread on before). Baring that, I'd like to see all you criminals "confess" in threads similar to this, it will cut down on future rule breaking.

in a dispute between party X and amelinda i am willing to give party X the benefit of the doubt barring any other information

[feanan]

in a dispute between party X and amelinda i am willing to give party X the benefit of the doubt barring any other information

I would agree with that.

Have heard too many 3rd parties stories of GM/guide rez's and such, along with quick to pull the ban hammer stories.

I did have one person turn down a 96% rez because he told me his "guide buddy" was taking care of him.

[quido]

OP sounds pretty fucking guilty to me.

Your story sounds like a semi-elaborate load of bullshit that is merely an attempt to shirk justice. I happen to know that the staff does not impulsively permaban people without good reason. For the very few people that are wrongly punished, I hope the system of recourse on our great server works out for you. However, I do not believe the OP is one of these people.

Furthermore, taking your appeal public (after it fails privately) and questioning the integrity of the staff is a good way to get ignored forever probably. Just cut your losses and start over, idiot.

[Froog]

Then there are the posts that are unfortunately a lot more harmful as they will distort a remark or sentence, imply something that is complete fiction, or take one sentence/remark out of context, or even put words in other's mouths to try (and unfortunately sometimes succeed) and make pple believe its already a forgone fact;

Posted by palemoon;
"You were monitored for a long time before your ban, you got caught. The guide is not out to get you, did not make stuff up to ensnare you, and you have not even "gotten the dignity of a response" from the devs because your case had and has no merit."

You really made my point for me here, almost to the letter.--I specifically said I did not think it was personal and I clearly stated I did NOT think it was a matter of "not getting the dignity of a response", as I know the devs are very busy. Also, the only reason the whole "i was watched for days" point exists is because I mentioned that Amelinda might have knee-jerk stated this defensively in response to her hasty ban being questioned.. yet you are implying you know for a fact it is a forgone reality.

You hilariously immediately made my point about hateful twisting, falsly implying etc all in one post. And after taking the time to read a lot of your previous posts i can only assume you have some rl frustrations or something and just attack people on the boards as maybe some sort of personal venting therapy. Or, maybe you are a hateful pessimistic complainer irl too, /shrug (I hope not, or I truely pity the people in your life for the amount of negativity you must radiate.)



Invarioubly these are the same types of people that will see a broken bottle on the road.watch as over and over again people drive over it and pop thier tires,..then go on a well thought out, planned, articulate condescending crusade of complaining to anyone that will listen, writing letters to editors, seething about the whole wrongness of it, and blaming everything from the thoughtless bastard that left it there, to the absent parents that raised them..

....if you had the resources i would bet good money that you would take the time and effort to try and collect DNA or fingerprint the thing so you could gleefully and selfrightousely confront them personally to berate and belittle them.. when the right thing to do the whole time would have simply been take 20 seconds to walk a few steps and pick the bottle up.

As i do not want this thread to be another one hijacked by flamers, I won't be wasting any more energy on replying to baseless hateful remarks from the flamers or from the more articulate fact smashers, I couldnt resist on this one though as it was such a blatant, glaring example of the point I just made, lol.

[Hailto]

Protip: OP doesn't actually have kids, the "kids" he is referring to are his characters. Its pretty obvious you are guilty, give it up, you got caught, boxing ruins the server, deal with it.

Edit: I still give you props for the thread title though.

[Holysmoke]

Froog... quit feeding the trolls man! Don't you see they're feasting, Froog? FEASTING!

[Hailto]

Is that some Barack Obama hash?

[Roanoke]

As i do not want this thread to be another one hijacked by flamers, I won't be wasting any more energy on replying to baseless hateful remarks from the flamers or from the more articulate fact smashers, I couldnt resist on this one though as it was such a blatant, glaring example of the point I just made, lol.

Too late.



Is that some Barack Obama hash?

Ecstasy, I believe.

[toddfx]

I'm glad you posted this though, hopefully it will deter other potential boxers from 2boxing.

To be honest it has deterred me from even requesting an IP exemption for legitimate duoing...
I'll be traveling for the holidays and am going to spend some time over a friends house who also plays P99, but now I kind of feel like asking for an IP exemption would be too nerve-racking! :eek:

[Roanoke]

To be honest it has deterred me from even requesting an IP exemption for legitimate duoing...
I'll be traveling for the holidays and am going to spend some time over a friends house who also plays P99, but now I kind of feel like asking for an IP exemption would be too nerve-racking! :eek:

What are you afraid of? If you DON'T BOX while you're online you WON'T GET BANNED. It sounds like it's very easy to prove whether or not someone is two boxing, and the OP clearly failed the test.

I have 3 irl friends who all play at the same house on occasion for LAN sessions-they asked for an IP-Exemption for that reason alone. They've done this on multiple occasions, and there has never been an instance of "confusion" where a GM could have swooped in and considered them to be one person boxing all 3 accounts. We don't even talk in chat (we use ventrilo) and just by the pure actions per minute happening you'd know instantly they are three individual players.

OP is stretching all of his final resources to try to get unbanned. Even with the fact that he claims his 7-year-old was in the other room and was playing the character, he goes on to state that his 7-year-old doesn't understand EQ and "was doing whatever a 7-year-old does". Despite the fact that he wasn't physically two-boxing he performed the same task by having someone down the hall click trade (or whatever). You could train your dog to hit trade, that'd probably be considered two-boxing as well...

In summary: Don't be a retard and you wont get banned.

[jamsen]

In summary: Don't be a retard and you wont get banned.


I wouldn't say that - I've had friends auto-follow me across WK and someone accused us of boxing. Fortunately, at that time, my friend was not at my house playing. I don't know if a guide or GM ever investigated.

All it takes is a moment of confusion on anyone's - yours, the accusing party, the guide/GM - and you're banned. When my wife and I play, we're quite careful about avoiding behavior that causes suspicion like auto-follow. If we get banned for it - no big deal, we'll move on to something else.

I'm not going to comment on the story, because it's quite evident that the guides and GMs aren't doing anything further. Should they? It's not anyone's call but the GM's. I agree that it sucks for the OP IF he wasn't boxing, but that's part of the risks for the IP exemption.

[formallydickman]

I wouldn't say that - I've had friends auto-follow me across WK and someone accused us of boxing. Fortunately, at that time, my friend was not at my house playing. I don't know if a guide or GM ever investigated.

All it takes is a moment of confusion on anyone's - yours, the accusing party, the guide/GM - and you're banned.


Someone accusing you of two-boxing and being banned are entirely two different things and I think you should give the GMs a little more credit. A moment of confusion on the part of a GM is all it takes to be banned? They have stated numerous times that they check multiple ways for two-boxing so unless its an extremely unlucky streak of 'confusion' then I'm gonna say you'd be fine.

When my wife and I play, we're quite careful about avoiding behavior that causes suspicion like auto-follow. If we get banned for it - no big deal, we'll move on to something else.

I played with my brother with an IP exemption for maybe 10 months. I've never had this tin foil hat mentality and I frankly don't understand it.

[visage]

First of all, thank you to all the people so far that have posted thier support and well wishes. Its greatly appreciated =) And the one or two people that have the opinion that I may be, or am lying, I honeslty respect your view of the situation,I just disagree with you regarding this issue=)

As far as the fewlolz l00k at mez!I g0nna post some randomn a$$ hateful nonsense" board troll remarks, We knew from any previous public board posting, regardless of the content, that posting in the open forums would inevetibly have a few of these gems of wisdom sprinkled in. No harm no foul, just ignored.

Then there are the posts that are unfortunately a lot more harmful as they will distort a remark or sentence, imply something that is complete fiction, or take one sentence/remark out of context, or even put words in other's mouths to try (and unfortunately sometimes succeed) and make pple believe its already a forgone fact;

A lot of the time it will come across as a rational viewpoint/opinion, But in reality Its the same hateful bull%^$# as the idiot flamers, just a more intelligent, coherent version of it. These posters put a lot more effort into being vindictive douchebags. generally all you have to do though is take a look at any of their previous posts to realize that all they do is aredently disagree, slam, insult,and flame people for some unfathomable reason. Theres rarely, if ever, a positive remark out of thier mouths. Unfortunately, they can keep up thier hateful ways because people wont or are unable to take the time to closer look at the poster, and put thier comment into perspective.

These posters will convieniently leave out everything else... like the fact that I was the one that said she informed us she was watching for days after we suggested she made a hasty decision.

And that not one single scrap of supporting evidence was offered, just more "my decision is final and thats that" comments. Anyway as far as that goes, I think the "this wasn't a hasty, badly made decision, i have been watching for days' was just a baseless defensive reaction to having her decision questioned.

I could not have been watched for days not moving or whatever on two different characters because it did not happen. Any check of server logs would more then verify that I would think.

I am hoping the powers that be will get around to looking into this at some point, I understand they are pretty busy testing and stuff.

From any interaction i've had with the "management" on this server -they seem pretty on the ball and fair, I can't see them not even granting the dignity of a response.

A lot posts ive read in this thread and others have said that Amelinda has never done anything good for anyone and basically just runs around gleefully abusing the little power she has, punishing people.

Although I apreciate the sentiment of support (thank you =),and lord knows im not her biggest fan, lol, I think that stating she never helps anyone may be an exxageration.. at least i hope it is, or someone has burned out from the thankless masses and needs a break.
In Amelinda's defence, being a guide or GM or even an officer or leader of a guild is generally a thankless job. You can't make everyone happy and most people just remember the negative things and forget the good. Or think that some decision made opposite thier viewpoint was personal and aimed directly at them. Often there is a percieved personal slight or grudge that you have no idea about and never intended and for the next month or so this person will argue every decision you make, regardless of the merit, just out of spite.

This being said, i truely believe our bans were a mistake, and was not personal at all. i don't believe we were targeted.

I think that maybe a hasty opinion was made..(who knows, guides are human, maybe she was just having a bad day) .. and square pegs were hammered into round holes to fit that original opinion.

I am hoping she can put aside whatever defensive reflex is holding her back and take a logical, unbiased look at the situation and facts, or Rogean or any other guide can look at this and come to thier own opinion as well.

I understand the need for public continuity in leadership decisions,...

so again, I will keep quietly checking my pm's and we will keep checking the accounts that were banned to see if they have been reinstated, and we will never bring this up again if we are allowed to come back.
In fact ,we will oddly enough; have a complete memory loss about this if asked, heh, just please, please let us play again =/

Surely someone has had a helpful, positive experience with Amelinda, where she helped someone in need?

I so wish to christ Rogean he forgives you of your sins

[Grahm]

did N E 1 evn ask if we cud meet hiz famli?

[Fists]

^

[Froog]

did N E 1 evn ask if we cud meet hiz famli?

We are more then willing, as I stated earlier, to hop on Ventrillo (the three of us) or even a vdeo chat on skype, or windows live etc., with any of the GM's/ Guides if requested

We will not be posting real life pictures of our family, specially our kids, however, on an public open forum.

[Froog]

OP sounds pretty fucking guilty to me.

Your story sounds like a semi-elaborate load of bullshit that is merely an attempt to shirk justice. I happen to know that the staff does not impulsively permaban people without good reason. For the very few people that are wrongly punished, I hope the system of recourse on our great server works out for you. However, I do not believe the OP is one of these people.

Furthermore, taking your appeal public (after it fails privately) and questioning the integrity of the staff is a good way to get ignored forever probably. Just cut your losses and start over, idiot.

Arren't you a bundle of sunshine, lol.
Anyway I didn't "question the integrity of the staff".. if you took the time to read any of my posts, you would have read that I had utmost respect and appreciation for 'the staff" and went on to say that every dealing ive had with them has been fair and fast.
I also we always took the time to say thank you for the server to any guide or gm we came acroos ig.

I did question one decision of one guide, and yes, I said I was upset becuase it was impossible I did what she said.

Again, before flaming me, if you read the posts, after only one player said Amelinda was helpful.. and numerous posts stated Amelinda was everything from "never helps anyone just runs around banning and punishing people" and "heard many times she has banned too fast and wrongly", to "I would take the side of anyone and thier dog before i would believe her", etc etc, I even made a whole post defending her.
...does that really sound like i was "questioning the integrity of the staff"? You make it sound, and Im sure purposely so, that I was flaming the p99 founders to the devs and thier children, and children's children.

Again, read a lot of your posts, I doubt anything I could say would take that chip off your shoulder.
But srsly? You had to throw in an "idiot" at the end? Personally atacking the poster to try and further your point of view instead of debating the issue and focussing on the facts is the real idiocy IMO. Generally speaking, people do this either because A)They have low intellegence and just can't grasp the big picture so they get frustrated at thier own idiocy and start childishly lashing out at the person.
B) They just don't have enough facts or anything solid to back up thier side of the argument and thier argument is weak, so they try and belittle the person, hoping to lower thier credability.... Im going to assume its B on this one as you seem intellegent enough.

"The world is round"

"Uh uh! 'cause your a poo poo head!"

sigh got sucked in again. Considering the amount of intelligent, coherrent posts of support so far (again thank you =), and the lions share (not all though, i respect the cple of pple who honestly have a differing view) of the ones that disagree are mostly just being hateful becuase thats the way they always are, I should really have faith in the server population to see through the half truths, exaggerations, misqoutes etc, lol, i wont be responding to any drivel again, no matter how far you twist my words or mangle the facts. Ive posted more in this thread then the whole time on the server I think, lol.

[Lovely]

Well you have to hear what the GM have to say about this to make an opinion. If they were banned out of the blue for not being able to move separate ways in an instant or if this was something that had been investigated for a long time with many different proofs of boxing.

[visage]

We are more then willing, as I stated earlier, to hop on Ventrillo (the three of us) or even a vdeo chat on skype, or windows live etc., with any of the GM's/ Guides if requested

We will not be posting real life pictures of our family, specially our kids, however, on an public open forum.

You have serius issues pal.

[Goraxx]

Oh come one mods. This thread is begging to be moved to RnF.

[Seaweedpimp]

GOD DAMNIT AMELINDAH!

[Giovanni]

Arren't you a bundle of sunshine, lol.
Anyway I didn't "question the integrity of the staff".. if you took the time to read any of my posts, you would have read that I had utmost respect and appreciation for 'the staff" and went on to say that every dealing ive had with them has been fair and fast.
I also we always took the time to say thank you for the server to any guide or gm we came acroos ig.

I did question one decision of one guide, and yes, I said I was upset becuase it was impossible I did what she said.

Again, before flaming me, if you read the posts, after only one player said Amelinda was helpful.. and numerous posts stated Amelinda was everything from "never helps anyone just runs around banning and punishing people" and "heard many times she has banned too fast and wrongly", to "I would take the side of anyone and thier dog before i would believe her", etc etc, I even made a whole post defending her.
...does that really sound like i was "questioning the integrity of the staff"? You make it sound, and Im sure purposely so, that I was flaming the p99 founders to the devs and thier children, and children's children.

Again, read a lot of your posts, I doubt anything I could say would take that chip off your shoulder.
But srsly? You had to throw in an "idiot" at the end? Personally atacking the poster to try and further your point of view instead of debating the issue and focussing on the facts is the real idiocy IMO. Generally speaking, people do this either because A)They have low intellegence and just can't grasp the big picture so they get frustrated at thier own idiocy and start childishly lashing out at the person.
B) They just don't have enough facts or anything solid to back up thier side of the argument and thier argument is weak, so they try and belittle the person, hoping to lower thier credability.... Im going to assume its B on this one as you seem intellegent enough.

"The world is round"

"Uh uh! 'cause your a poo poo head!"

sigh got sucked in again. Considering the amount of intelligent, coherrent posts of support so far (again thank you =), and the lions share (not all though, i respect the cple of pple who honestly have a differing view) of the ones that disagree are mostly just being hateful becuase thats the way they always are, I should really have faith in the server population to see through the half truths, exaggerations, misqoutes etc, lol, i wont be responding to any drivel again, no matter how far you twist my words or mangle the facts. Ive posted more in this thread then the whole time on the server I think, lol.


Judging by the length of the OP's posts, his family commitments, and the obvious stress this game has placed on his life, I think he deserves to have his other accounts banned. If the aforementioned isn't enough, he went out in the public forums to question the integrity of our most senior server leadership after the GM's gathered conclusive evidence and made their decision.

[Shrubwise]

You have serius issues pal.

When visage tells you you have issues

your life = new low

[Moggster]

Judging by the length of the OP's posts, his family commitments, and the obvious stress this game has placed on his life, I think he deserves to have his other accounts banned. If the aforementioned isn't enough, he went out in the public forums to question the integrity of our most senior server leadership after the GM's gathered conclusive evidence and made their decision.

post counts are serious internet business

[Froog]

Judging by the length of the OP's posts, his family commitments, and the obvious stress this game has placed on his life, I think he deserves to have his other accounts banned. If the aforementioned isn't enough, he went out in the public forums to question the integrity of our most senior server leadership after the GM's gathered conclusive evidence and made their decision.

yet again, I questioned ONE guide's single decision, not the whole bloody staff and thier immediate family and thier hardressers gardeners

What conclusive evidence that the GM's gathered are you talking about?

Do you mean the one guide's decision to ban us after C freaked out ran to zone?

Again with the exaggerations,lies and putting words into mouths.... there's a bridge somewhere that is missing you.

[Awwalike]

Sounds very suspicious to me. I would imagine Toop's house to be like this.

[Diggles]

I would imagine Toop's house to be like this.

I laughed unbelievably hard.

[ir0nfist]

I can sympathize with your situation. I've played with my girlfriend and her son (we live in the same house) and I'd be quite irritated if that happened. They both decided they hated the game at about level 10 though so, shrug. If bans are final, and that is a rule, it's not going to change.

If your 7 year old can play this, you could always play on a WoW emu server or maybe World of Tanks, League of Legends, Lord of the Rings Online. There are plenty of interesting choices. Personally, if I was falsely accused and banned, I'd just brush em off my shoulder, leave, and make sure I let people I know about how I was treated. However I haven't played this game in probably 7 months maybe? So I don't have much interest.

Anyways, I hope you find some other fun activities for you and yours. GL with it.

[Froog]

Ok. How about we approach this from a different perspective then since I seem to be getting no where and have had zero response from any of the GM's.

I just looked into what people on this thread were mentioning and was pretty surprised and very dismayed really =(


Doing a paradigm shift and putting the matter of guilt or innocence aside for a sec, and say for the sake of this post, It was 100% certain that I managed to 2 box last June.
Why are we being punished more then 8 times as much as the 300 plus people that were caught cheating ? The rules they broke clearly state that the end result will be a permanent ban.

(Again, lets say for the sake of this post..)

I was 'caught' twoboxing, which the server rules also state will result in a permanent ban.

365 people were given 2 week suspensions (i think they were delevelled a bit too).

So far to date.. We have been punished 800% more then 365 other people. (We have been banned since June)

I hope I have at least conveyed that clearly I am passionate about playing on this server, and we enjoy playing here, and we have always tried to make a positive impact on the server as much as possible. We click banners every time we log in. We have always tried to do everything right and follow the rules. Once every two weeks or so we would go to gfay and hand out stuff to people who we thought were just starting out. In other words, we dont feel were a negative factor for the server at all. In fact, we tried our best to be a positive influence so we seriousely can't figure out why we have been unable to be granted the same decency as hundereds of others received.

I don't understand what makes us so different then these other people and what drastically more horrible actions we have done that we are being ignored and are being refused the same courtesy of a little leiniency that was afforded to hundereds of other players><

(again.. this is also just putting guilt aside, and going forward on the assumption we are guilty...

Is using two accounts sitting in a widely accepted player market area to transfer stuff from one to the other so much more horrible (8 times as horrible?) then using cheating programs for personal gain?

Is quietly 2 boxing in a non exp/mob/loot tunnel to distribute items you purchased lawfully from money you obtained folowing server rules definitavely more terrible then using hacker programs everywhere on the server you could profit from?

Why is this self xfering Worse then using bannable programs to give yourself a way better edge and better gear and more exp and more money .. basically a huge secret advantage over other players who choose to obey the server rules?.(from one of the cheating program websites])..This includes things like EVERY mob position in the zone, its level/class/race, items it is HOLDING which affect the way it looks, an accurate map of the zone, ground drops/spawns, traps... the list is very large [/B] --(from one of the cheating program websites)

And what we found even more confusing and to be completely truthful..almost hurtful, is the fact that a good % of the people caught cheating were using a program that.. " Most of all it can drastically improve your ability to play more than one character at a time" (from the program website). Isnt that a lot more proof of 2boxing then a character freaking out and running away from a guide towards zone? And yet they were given a 2 weeks suspension and we have been banned for life, with no chance for appeal? Please.. can we have the same chance given?

Let's say we did it.., why can't we be given a break too? please! Do we have to beg? I am not above begging at this point ..

Why are we so different then these 365 other people?

Why can't we be treated the same and be allowed to come back and have our characters punished in the same way? We are just asking for a little compassion here >< Please!

[Alkorin]

For the love of all that is decent, some moderator please lock this thread. It's becoming RnF fodder and doesn't deserve to be.

Froog, if you've petitioned and your appeal has been denied, you're essentially screwed unless you can convince Rogean to overturn the decision. Good luck with that. In any case, this is not the right place to be trying.

[azxten]

Nothing really matters here honestly, deal with it. The rules are not enforced. I argued with Nilbog in a civil manner (but said something he said was bullshit, it was) and Uthgaard banned me for it while personally attacking me in a post (he broke the rules and I got banned for it). Then when I responded to that all my game accounts were banned including friends who had connected form my IP at some point. The petition forum was worthless because I kept having my account banned even if I did nothing but make a petition saying I was unfairly banned. Eventually I just gave up and left since I had already missed Kunark launch now anyway (this happened like a week before Kunark).

So, I was unfairly banned for arguing with staff (that's literally all I did) by a staff member who broke a rule while banning me for not breaking a rule then the only form of contacting an admin was cut off by staff who repeatedly banned my forum account sometimes before even making a post. Missed Kunark launch while being asked to wait in the rand(1,100) year petition thread queue. Said fuck it and left, came back after Uthgaard resigned and hundreds of MQ2 users were being allowed to keep their accounts, characters, and items, and asked Rogean to unban me in IRC. He unbanned me and told me I shouldn't have been banned in game for anything that happened on the forums (likely he never even knew any of this was happening before).

The customer service here works like this...

Nilbog -> Project manager but refuses to look beyond code/development
Rogean -> Does everything but is too busy to help you
Devs -> Complain constantly about GM work (Uthgaard) taking away from dev time
Guides -> Will change your name if it's Suckdizz Ballsack

I've always complained there is a major hole here where actual GMs belong in between developers and guides. GMs should only be dealing with things like this, where someone thinks they're unfairly banned, they act as third party arbitration. Guides should have more power (sounds like that has changed recently). Until this middle ground is filled though with someone who doesn't do any actual policing and serves only as a review board lots of unfair bans are going to happen and NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. Come back in 6 months and ask Rogean/Nilbog about it in IRC when they're not busy and you might get lucky like I did.

[MrSparkle001]

I've always complained there is a major hole here where actual GMs belong in between developers and guides. GMs should only be dealing with things like this, where someone thinks they're unfairly banned, they act as third party arbitration. Guides should have more power (sounds like that has changed recently). Until this middle ground is filled though with someone who doesn't do any actual policing and serves only as a review board lots of unfair bans are going to happen and NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. Come back in 6 months and ask Rogean/Nilbog about it in IRC when they're not busy and you might get lucky like I did.

On private servers it doesn't matter. They have nobody to answer to and nothing to answer for. They gonna lose their job or something? Nope. What's the worst that can happen, the server's owner saying they can't GM anymore? That's about it.

It's very hard to find a dedicated group of impartial and fair GMs to run a private server. Not impossible, but very hard. When there's nothing keeping you accountable for your actions as an authority figure there's nothing stopping you from abusing your position.

And I'm not saying that's what's happening here. I'm saying in my many years of onling game-playing I've seen the same things over and over on private servers. I occasionally play on a Dark Age Of Camelot private server (called Uthgard btw), and those GMs are really good. I tip my hat to them. I also played on a popular EQ private server a few years ago and it was less-than-good (I have screenshots of Cazic Thule being spawned in NRO just for kicks). My experience with Wyvern Online was atrocious. Allegiance Online has game leaders who will boot you if you don't follow their orders - "fly this ship and do this thing or you can't play here". It goes on like that. The good private servers are the minority.

[Froog]

For the love of all that is decent, some moderator please lock this thread. It's becoming RnF fodder and doesn't deserve to be.

Froog, if you've petitioned and your appeal has been denied, you're essentially screwed unless you can convince Rogean to overturn the decision. Good luck with that. In any case, this is not the right place to be trying.

In the petition forums I kept track of the amount of views my posts were recieving. other then my own they got the axact amount more views as posts Amelinda made stating ...... "no play for you!" and whatnot
So I assumed it was safe to cocnclude that only Amelinda , the person that banned me, was the only one that had read any of them.

Thats the reson I tried posting here, hoping a different and not so personally invested gm who I know from personal experience would make a fair and unbuiased decision.,...

Like Uthgaar (tho i relize now hes gone, lol I did not know he had left as I have been banned since june.) Apparently according to the threads ive read, which I don't put too much stock in until i can verify any facts,.. his name is mud now or whatever with the p99 crew because he took a stand and stated he was disgusted that 365 people were not banned like the rules clearly state they should have been.

These people were caught blatantly cheating for personal gain. and were given a "slap on the wrist" or whatever for a bannable offence they knew they were breaking.

Then, according to the numerous posts, he made it clear he thought it was becuase they were friends with Rogean and /Or nilbog and was so disgusted at the special treatment friends of the server staff recieved he said fuck this and quit.... so anyway I guess Uthgaar is unable to help me now, which is too bad, he was a forceful, tough GM... but he was very honest and fair IMO, and I hope the rest f the staff are as fair and decent as he was.

I have had little dealings with them (Other then Rogean, who also was very fair, and pretty funny too, he had us aklll laughing one day when he came into a zone to CS rez after a sever lag.) and well.. Amelinda who i have had 90 seconds of online dealings with, and then just a whole bunch of "you got banned, don't wanna hear it, its permasnent.. etc etc

Hope that was all just gossip or Im gonna be pretty screwed as I am not a personal friend of any of the GM's

I have a hard time beleiving that stuff tho.

I would, however, really really appreciate it, if one of the GM's would be so kkind as to just take a little time to aaddress the issue.

Or at the very least.. to resond in any way to this thread.

Or even better.. lol.. unbann the accounts behind the scenes as I am still checking them every hour ><

[Palemoon]

In the petition forums I kept track of the amount of views my posts were recieving. other then my own they got the axact amount more views as posts Amelinda made stating ...... "no play for you!" and whatnot
So I assumed it was safe to cocnclude that only Amelinda , the person that banned me, was the only one that had read any of them.

Thats the reson I tried posting here, hoping a different and not so personally invested gm who I know from personal experience would make a fair and unbuiased decision.,...

Like Uthgaar (tho i relize now hes gone, lol I did not know he had left as I have been banned since june.) Apparently according to the threads ive read, which I don't put too much stock in until i can verify any facts,.. his name is mud now or whatever with the p99 crew because he took a stand and stated he was disgusted that 365 people were not banned like the rules clearly state they should have been.

These people were caught blatantly cheating for personal gain. and were given a "slap on the wrist" or whatever for a bannable offence they knew they were breaking.

Then, according to the numerous posts, he made it clear he thought it was becuase they were friends with Rogean and /Or nilbog and was so disgusted at the special treatment friends of the server staff recieved he said fuck this and quit.... so anyway I guess Uthgaar is unable to help me now, which is too bad, he was a forceful, tough GM... but he was very honest and fair IMO, and I hope the rest f the staff are as fair and decent as he was.

I have had little dealings with them (Other then Rogean, who also was very fair, and pretty funny too, he had us aklll laughing one day when he came into a zone to CS rez after a sever lag.) and well.. Amelinda who i have had 90 seconds of online dealings with, and then just a whole bunch of "you got banned, don't wanna hear it, its permasnent.. etc etc

Hope that was all just gossip or Im gonna be pretty screwed as I am not a personal friend of any of the GM's

I have a hard time beleiving that stuff tho.

I would, however, really really appreciate it, if one of the GM's would be so kkind as to just take a little time to aaddress the issue.

Or at the very least.. to resond in any way to this thread.

Or even better.. lol.. unbann the accounts behind the scenes as I am still checking them every hour ><

You are trying so many different angles now its funny. Playing the GMs off against each other? Then trying some ass kissing? Then all but admiting you are guilty but want a "lesser punishment" like all those friends of Nilborg got.

You should of just stuck with the "my family, all ashes, tragedy, please help us" angle.

You are sounding more and more desperate by the post. Its over, you got caught. Your characters and items are gone, start over if you enjoy the game and this..

RESPECT the rules of your game hosts!

[Nirgon]

What about 365 people getting caught two boxing at once

[skulldudes]

this poor guy fucking loves everquest.

let him back imo

[Roanoke]

What about 365 people getting caught two boxing at once

Oh god...:cool:

[Muaar]

I have never seen one good thing Amelinda has done to help people other than ban or suspend people.

I, too, have had unpleasant experiences with Amelinda. I couldn't even believe she was a GM at first how she was acting: disrupting an entire zone with shouts and changing up the camps in CB when there was nothing wrong with them.

[beentheredonethat]

what the hell does everyone expect from a free server? pay the gm's and maybe they'll have time to spend on this.

[Sslaesha]

Trolls stay banned.

+1

[joppykid]

I must admit.. I hear a lot of these stories about two boxing, but for some odd reason I actually believe this person. Doubt that will change anything, but sorry to hear about your unfortunate circumstances. A seven year old most likely wouldn't exactly grasp the idea of GM's, two boxing, and Amelinda's attempts to validate the two separate players.

The same thing happened to a guildmate of mine a few months ago. His son was crying he was so upset. ;(

[azxten]

what the hell does everyone expect from a free server? pay the gm's and maybe they'll have time to spend on this.

This is always the most bullshit line. Server admins are (rightly) scared of giving up their tight grip over authority here. There are plenty of people willing to GM/Guide here but the admins aren't putting in enough effort to maintain a large trustworthy staff because they "have better things to do." IMO I'd rather be trained and have camps stolen than me instead of being unfairly banned. I've never once had a bad interaction with other players I couldn't resolve on my own but I have had multiple bad interactions with GMs stepping in when they didn't need to and fucking everything up for everyone.

[Xatava]

My 4 year old son was crying too when we got banned after being falsely accused of two boxing, though to be fair that may have had more to do with me smacking him around than him losing his character. I'd like my accounts restored too along with the other innocent souls in this thread. I can't help it if my 4 year old child can port, rez and sell items for me in EC but lacks the ability to follow a GM's instructions.

[skulldudes]

i wonder how many more times someone is going to make that exact same post again

[gnomishfirework]

Lol. Good Job on catching this 2boxer. The more involved someone's story, the more likely they are full of shit.

Let's see, someone is 2 boxing, or his 7 year old ran off to do what 7 year olds do, but was immediately back in time when the guide showed up. Interesting. Also, if your son is stupid enough to confuse a Gm with a mob, then you deserve the ban for raising a worthless gamer. I was much more capable than your son when I was 5. I figured out there was no Santa, and I'm functionally retarded.

[Froog]

Make me a GM and I will handle all raid disputes. I can maybe do this as a guide if guides can turn on pvp flags (this is very important cause it will make it easier for me to screw with people). I think guides can change names already. I will need to be able to change Guild names and, if possible, change guild affiliation.

Here is why I should be a GM.

First, I won't be fair. I will be heavily biased. Not towards any particular guild, exactly, but I will be easily influenced because I'm greedy AND selfish. Tits on webcam, even a hairy man chest, will certainly get you dibs on a spawn. It's possible some sort of in-game symbol boobs would work as well ( o )( o ) ---oh yea... Yea, I'm already spawning trakanon IF YOU kNOW WHAT I MEAN.

Second, I need something to do on weekends. I work nights, so friday/saturday I'm up late. I kind of got bored of playing here cause I lost interest when I saw the condition of end-game raiding. Maybe velious will lure me back, but I'm sitting at 30-35 or somewhere. It's been months since I logged in past the character selection selection screen. I'm thinking of logging in today, but that will probably pass once I get high. I suffer from a deep depression and hate everything.

Anyway, I get bored at night. I'd like nothing more than to run around at GM speed and ban people and shit. I was an Adviser in Anarchy Online. I liked to port people to the GM only area to unstick them. I'd always say "oops, wrong hotkey" but that was a lie. Funcom would hold these Adviser-only events that were awesome. They let you buff up a toon to max level and get gazillions of credits for buying weapons/augs at these kiosks and have pvp battles, though I dont recall pvp ever happening. Badly organized -- I was gonna use a cheat to have two characters logged in at once to transfer all those credits to my play character, but it was enough to know I could. one time I randomly ported someone to the GM area and back without a word. He was talking about it in chat and people were calling him a liar. I then interrogated him on it, suspecting there was some hacker. He really enjoyed it. I tipped my hand by porting him back, though. I think I returned him to where he was, but don't remember. I resigned shortly after, like immediately. That game was laggy as fuck.

Yea, so I rambled, but I'd just be waiting to punish people. If I caught a 2 boxer, and all duos are 2 boxers, I'd turn them into rangers. If they were rangers, I'd Just leave em alone. Let them waste their time. Without EQ/AM3 rangers are just silly. I know, my main was a ranger in regular EQ. I wasn't a waste though, cause I was tops at CC, no one is skilled like me. One time my guildleader sent me a tell with a smiley face cause I CC'd the mobs on inny (PoT) so fast. On spawn. That how I roll. I know, your jealous. That's normal.

Third, I will take all the raid petitions. All of them. I can take all that headache away. I'm very knowledgable on EQ raids except new stuff and VP and Sleepers, but VP isn't in and fuck, how knowledgable do you need to be to turn people into ogres and spawn 10 statues of rallos zek on whiney guilds? Not very I'd imagine.

Fifth, I'm always right. Always. There would never be a complaint on my judgements. Likely cause id have already banned everyone who would have reason to complain, but trust me that was the right decision.

Me for GM 2011.

I can work holidays, btw. No one loves me so I just eat wawa turkey gobblers and smoke weed all day.

This is a serious request that is too awesome for the petition forum.


LOL

[Goraxx]

Is VP open yet?

[Radiskull]

I think where you're getting hung up Froog, is that you think Amelinda ONLY did the summon thing to see if you were boxing. I assure you that when she summoned you, you were already banned. You're not going to get any more information, no matter how long this post gets. If you're hoping that this is going to get any other GMs attention, you're mistaken. Getting banned sucks, but you've gotta deal with it some other way then a post like this.

By the way, your appeal to Uthgaard or any other GM is laughable. If Amelinda did in fact respond to your petition post as many times as you're saying, then she did more then any other GM, especially Uthgaard, would have. You can keep posting, but it's futile.

Best of luck starting over. Consider yourself lucky you can atleast do that. BTW - Highest character was what, 49? Come on, really? Really?

[nilbog]

Like Uthgaar (tho i relize now hes gone, lol I did not know he had left as I have been banned since june.) Apparently according to the threads ive read, which I don't put too much stock in until i can verify any facts,.. his name is mud now or whatever with the p99 crew because he took a stand and stated he was disgusted that 365 people were not banned like the rules clearly state they should have been.

These people were caught blatantly cheating for personal gain. and were given a "slap on the wrist" or whatever for a bannable offence they knew they were breaking.

Then, according to the numerous posts, he made it clear he thought it was becuase they were friends with Rogean and /Or nilbog and was so disgusted at the special treatment friends of the server staff recieved he said fuck this and quit.... so anyway I guess Uthgaar is unable to help me now, which is too bad, he was a forceful, tough GM... but he was very honest and fair IMO, and I hope the rest f the staff are as fair and decent as he was.

...

Hope that was all just gossip or Im gonna be pretty screwed as I am not a personal friend of any of the GM's

...


Uthgaard's resignation had nothing to do with the macroquest/showeq bans. He was a valued member of the team his name is not mud.

Regarding disciplinary actions, I voted for the strictest punishments involving the detection bans. (deleveled to 5 with all gear gone, or permanently banned). All of them would be eternally banned and rotting in the dirt if the decision was solely mine. I'm tired of reading posts stating that I went easy on people.

So, if you're claiming some type of favoritism that I showed or show to someone? LAUGH. I did know you on emarr, Froog. I brought this up one time, but it was apparent you didn't remember me. So if this is the case, it seems like I would unban you, right? Nope, because as GMs, if we know someone, another GM handles the case.

I hope everything works out all right for you, but don't be deluded that me knowing you or anyone else warrants special treatment. In this instance, it means I don't look into your case. Sorry.

[Goraxx]

Froog has been slain by a_nilbog_001.

[Labyrrinth]

I voted for the strictest punishments involving the detection bans. (deleveled to 5 with all gear gone, or permanently banned). All of them would be eternally banned and rotting in the dirt if the decision was solely mine. I'm tired of reading posts stating that I went easy on people.



Derail!~ If this is true, and there's no reason at all to believe otherwise, coupled with the fact that we know Uth voted to perma ban the cheaters, it's very telling indeed.

Back on track - Good luck Froog. Honestly at this point I can picture the GM in question to just dig her heels in regardless. I'd suggest you stop wasting your energy on this and move on.

[Froog]

Ok Nilbog. It sounds like Amelinda told you exactly what she told me, after I questioned her decision and let her know about my son. "I have been watching you for a while"

Yet, knowing it was untrue as it was impossible, when I asked her for one scrap of supporting evidence of her watching me. (like name one time/date/character/zone/action...anything ... anything at all whatsoever)I was just told that :

"her decision was final"

This knee jerk "ive been watching for a long time" response to finding out I could not have done the 2 boxing in question is hardly credible.

And you are say9ing you can't help me because you knew who I was on Emarr? No offence but it doesn't sound like we were friends or even aqquantences as I can't remember you.. (that was a long time ago, before my injuries and I did quit just after God came out as we Bard speeded the mountain trials and got cuaght up in the QVIC wait, ..)this hardly eliminates your involvement in this decision for any question of favourtism.

I know now that this was read by one of the GMs, thank you for that at the very least.

[Snaggles]

Ok Nilbog. It sounds like Amelinda told you exactly what she told me, after I questioned her decision and let her know about my son. "I have been watching you for a while"

Yet, knowing it was untrue as it was impossible, when I asked her for one scrap of supporting evidence of her watching me. (like name one time/date/character/zone/action...anything ... anything at all whatsoever)I was just told that :

"her decision was final"

This knee jerk "ive been watching for a long time" response to finding out I could not have done the 2 boxing in question is hardly credible.

What incentive does she have for randomly banning innocent people? It's the one piece of this Law & Order episode that seems to be missing...

[Labyrrinth]

What incentive does she have for randomly banning innocent people? It's the one piece of this Law & Order episode that seems to be missing...

Has absolutely nothing to do with "incentive" but it does have to do with the fact that people, GMs included, make mistakes.

[Shiftin]

And you are say9ing you can't help me because you knew who I was on Emarr? No offence but it doesn't sound like we were friends or even aqquantences as I can't remember you.. (that was a long time ago, before my injuries and I did quit just after God came out as we Bard speeded the mountain trials and got cuaght up in the QVIC wait, ..)this hardly eliminates your involvement in this decision for any question of favourtism.

Talk about a sentence that chances without the proper capitalization....

[Snaggles]

Has absolutely nothing to do with "incentive" but it does have to do with the fact that people, GMs included, make mistakes.

It does though because Froog is painting this as a lynch case. Trial and execution without any proof.

What mistakes were made?

Amelinda said she had been watching them box for some time. They demanded proof and when none was supplied they assumed it was for tinfoil hat reasons. Were they expecting a list of sins written on a golden scroll? :confused:

What does the GM have to gain by banning the innocent? If they were wrong, and the evidence supplied by Froog was even somewhat plausible they would likely open the account back up for investigation. This isn't a cover-up for the GM's to save face.

If it walks like a 2boxer and talks like a 2boxer it's probably a 2boxer.

[mitic]

froog, try to see it this way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pBo-GL9SRg&ob=av2n

you can still post here on the forums!

[Kevlar]

What incentive does she have for randomly banning innocent people? It's the one piece of this Law & Order episode that seems to be missing...

I don't know about Amelinda, but I like to vicariously ban people so I can later beat off to their sad song posts about how they were treated unfairly. It really adds that extra oomph to it!

[formallydickman]

Holy sense of entitlement Batman!

[Snaggles]

I don't know about Amelinda, but I like to vicariously ban people so I can later beat off to their sad song posts about how they were treated unfairly. It really adds that extra oomph to it!

If I was a GM I would close my eyes and pick a letter from the alphabet. First person I see with a name starting with it gets banned. Of course this would promptly follow a beer-can head smash and the kicking of a small domesticated animal.

99% of kitties hate GM's.

[Kassel]

come on guys be nice he has NOTHING LEFT !

[Labyrrinth]

It does though because Froog is painting this as a lynch case. Trial and execution without any proof.

What mistakes were made?

Amelinda said she had been watching them box for some time. They demanded proof and when none was supplied they assumed it was for tinfoil hat reasons. Were they expecting a list of sins written on a golden scroll? :confused:

What does the GM have to gain by banning the innocent? If they were wrong, and the evidence supplied by Froog was even somewhat plausible they would likely open the account back up for investigation. This isn't a cover-up for the GM's to save face.

If it walks like a 2boxer and talks like a 2boxer it's probably a 2boxer.

So it seems you are of the opinion that in this instance, there's no way the GM in question could have made a mistake....

Regardless of your answer I will repeat that "incentive" doesn't play a role. No one is saying she banned an innocent person on purpose. It was likely either a ban that was done with irrefutable evidence or it was a ban done with evidence that, if examined, would be iffy at best - a ban hammer mistakenly thrown.

IF it was a mistake, at this point it is also likely she is not going to go back and examine the evidence. Like so many others that are often proven wrong, it's easier to deny and dig your heals in defending your stance then it is to actually step back, listen, and admit a mistake was made. Happens ALL the time, in every aspect of life, which is also why I said to Froog that regardless of whether he is guilty or not, it's probably best to stop wasting his energy on this and move on.

[Froog]

I don't know about Amelinda, but I like to vicariously ban people so I can later beat off to their sad song posts about how they were treated unfairly. It really adds that extra oomph to it!

Ok, this one made me lol

[Tappin]

How is this thread still open :|

[Kika Maslyaka]

this thread is a valuable cultural contribution to the server's legacy ;)

P.S. To be fair, the fact that you saw someone standing over a dead body with a gun, does not in any way proves that person in question is an actual murderer. ;)

[inyane]

Yes, it is quite interesting that nilbog and Uth were for strict punishment, but it didn't happen.

interesting indeed.



Derail!~ If this is true, and there's no reason at all to believe otherwise, coupled with the fact that we know Uth voted to perma ban the cheaters, it's very telling indeed.

Back on track - Good luck Froog. Honestly at this point I can picture the GM in question to just dig her heels in regardless. I'd suggest you stop wasting your energy on this and move on.

[Jontaidoe]

Amelinda sounds like she is on a permanent period, what a cunt!

[Falisaty]

I dont know about boxing by my 2.5 year old knows where the directional arrows are and loves to drown/kill me when I go AFK for short periods of time.

Asher

LOL my 4yo has done this

[Froog]

which is also why I said to Froog that regardless of whether he is guilty or not, it's probably best to stop wasting his energy on this and move on.

Ya, you are probably right. I guess I should try to start over here, and keep the hope alive that a gm will look intio into the matter at some point.

Thank you to everyone who posted support here and in PM's. It helped great deal to know that the sense of community that was so prevailant in the beginning of this server hasn't been totally lost.
Sigh, time to be on the opposite side here.

Although this hurts my pride, the thought of starting all over again with zilch on a well established server specially after losing everything seems worse.

If anyone has any lowbie mage itms they can spare or even a few platt for spells >< I would greatly appreciate it. I can promise you I will pay you back at some point, but it might take a while. or if you prefer, I can do what we asked of people when we gave out stuff, I can "pay it forward" when I am in a better position to do so.

If you think you might have something you can spare, toss me a PM or a tell IG, I decided to play a class that i havent yet on Classic and I started a mage named Forlorn.

[Anger]

This story makes me sad. I'm on Team Froog.

[Froog]

I understand you are a very busy man Rogean, so In case you don't read PM's (as I've sent you a cple since this began, and have yet to receive a response), in case you read this thread, I thought Id cut and paste it here, and hope to get a response ;


Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 44
Gets on knees and begs...

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[B]Setting aside the argument of guilt, as that has gotten us nowhere, and we know you are very busy at the best of times, and must be flooded with new server work...

...we are not asking for any special treatment here, we have come up with a couple ideas we hope might make everyone, Including Amelinda happy, and are throwing ourselves at your mercy and hoping you will hear us out and be lucky enough to be awarded the same kindness and mercy as all the dozens of others on the server have been lucky enough to recieve, when they were not banned when caught cheating and clearly breaking a bannable server rule.

We also know this is your guyses server, your decision and any compassion given we are well aware is a gift and not a right.. and we will appreciate it so much.

Either way we are grateful and want to thank you for the oppurtunity to play the game in its original form we loved so much.

Right away before we go into anything else, We'd like to ask for the IP exemptions on all our family's accounts to be removed so this doesnt have a chance to happen again. I am willing to go to a friends or my parents to play with either J'' or C''.

[COLOR="Red"]THE IDEAS WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER::: COLOR]

1)How about delevelling us and doing whatever else you did to the pple who were caught cheating? Again we will oddly have a complete memory loss of any and all events surrounding the ban, and our return to the server and we giv you our words we will not speak of it... ever.. to anyone..

2)If for some reason, you arent wiling to do this, how does this sound? Let us crete new accounts, but let us log in to the two banned accounts for a 24 hour period and strip all the gear and items and platt off off the accounts. Losing half the time and energy is better then losing it all. At least we can start with the droppable stuff we have accumulated, ultimately losing the countless hours of two accounts full of levels, quest gear etc, and we can delete the chars and again we can at least have the names we have used in mmo's over the years.
(C's Chars are all 12 and under so he doesn't care too much as long as he gets to play with mom or dad he's happy =)

Anyway, I mean obviousely wed rather not be punished at all and jjst have the accounts reinstated minus the IP exemptions, but if that is just not an option we hope you would consider the other 2.

Also , if we finally get to play again,as a show of appreciation I would like to offer my services as either a server tester (anything you want me to check out, just let me know and im there. You can use me for as long as you need me), or if guides are needed, I do have experience in Live and am more then willing to put in a lot of hours helping others on the server. I am on disablity so am available for long periods of time.

... I will even become a... /shudder... Boston Bruins fan lol

Please man, im on my knees here begging brother..

[Biffins]

you guyses

:D:D:D:D

[gnomishfirework]

OMG. He offers to be a guide!

This dude is hilarious.

[Palemoon]

Ok time to locked and move this thread to rants and flames.

Moral of the story: 2boxers get banned.

[Messianic]

Threads like this really make me miss tags.

[pickled_heretic]

Moral of the story: 2boxers get banned.

unless you find a shitload of people to do it with you at the same time

or alternatively, you can box 300 accounts all at once

[Labyrrinth]

unless you find a shitload of people to do it with you at the same time

or alternatively, you can box 300 accounts all at once

OR if you have friends in high places :rolleyes:

[Zeakus]

I have an 8 year old son and I call bullshit on this story. You were boxing, no 7 year old's attention span is more than 10-15 min. max on Everquest. Now if you changed your story to 10-12 year old... maybe but still unlikely.

[pickled_heretic]

I have an 8 year old son and I call bullshit on this story. You were boxing, no 7 year old's attention span is more than 10-15 min. max on Everquest. Now if you changed your story to 10-12 year old... maybe but still unlikely.

not everyone's kid has a neurological disorder like ADHD.

[inyane]

just because your son has ADD doesn't mean everyones does

[RiffDaemon]

You were boxing, no 7 year old's attention span is more than 10-15 min. max on Everquest.

Umm, at 7 years old, I had already beaten Final Fantasy I at least three times, and I used to go through Castlevania I, II, and III in one sitting. Final Fantasy had its grind moments that would last hours (e.g. grinding gold pieces from Kyzoku to fund four silver swords for my fighters).

10-15 minute attention span?? Medication's in order.

[pickled_heretic]

Final Fantasy had its grind moments that would last hours (e.g. grinding gold pieces from Kyzoku

i remember doing this exact same thing for hours straight to buy swords and spells at the elf town and i was definitely younger than 10 years old.

[Snaggles]

So it seems you are of the opinion that in this instance, there's no way the GM in question could have made a mistake....

Regardless of your answer I will repeat that "incentive" doesn't play a role. No one is saying she banned an innocent person on purpose. It was likely either a ban that was done with irrefutable evidence or it was a ban done with evidence that, if examined, would be iffy at best - a ban hammer mistakenly thrown.

IF it was a mistake, at this point it is also likely she is not going to go back and examine the evidence. Like so many others that are often proven wrong, it's easier to deny and dig your heals in defending your stance then it is to actually step back, listen, and admit a mistake was made. Happens ALL the time, in every aspect of life, which is also why I said to Froog that regardless of whether he is guilty or not, it's probably best to stop wasting his energy on this and move on.

You lost me in the rhetoric. Are you literally asking for my thoughts or just toying with me because you already have your mind made up? ;)

Lets get real here: Anything is possible. Could the GM have made a mistake? I don't know, is it possible to pass-out and drown in a bowl of soup?

I had more here with my reasoning but realized I just don't care. If she didn't cheat maybe she can teach her son to avoid running from GM's in the future or how to use /t.

[Tappin]

I have an 8 year old son and I call bullshit on this story. You were boxing, no 7 year old's attention span is more than 10-15 min. max on Everquest. Now if you changed your story to 10-12 year old... maybe but still unlikely.

I played when I was 11, as have a few other people who I know, and also others that I've met on this server. 7 seems a bit young I guess, but by 9 or 10, nah.

10-15 minute attention span?? Medication's in order.

Yep, this is prob a good solution. Drug 'em up... Although I agree with you, and I was the same.. My first NES game was FF1 actually and I was around 6 or 7 also. But because I child can't sit down and play the same games now doesn't mean he needs meds :|

[RiffDaemon]

But because I child can't sit down and play the same games now doesn't mean he needs meds :|

I just said "meds" because I didn't want to repeat the ADHD comments :p

[Cwall]

As for the people debating the 7 year old playing EQ shit..

I started playing this game when I was 7. I was able to keep up with my 16 year old brother in levels on my wood elf warrior, but for some reason when I was level 23 I decided to delete him and remake another character.

When I was 8 I got my own account, and over the following year or two I managed to level a bard to 58, twisting my entire way there. I was even able to complete my epic quest except for the Trakanon kill. EverQuest is not a hard game for a little kid to play.

[burkemi5]

not everyone's kid has a neurological disorder like ADHD.

just because your son has ADD doesn't mean everyones does


10-15 minute attention span?? Medication's in order.


damn where'd all you bros get your ph.d to qualify for you to diagnose someone with ADHD or prescribe medication? especially with such limited info?? i want to go to that school for sure.

[RiffDaemon]

damn where'd all you bros get your ph.d to qualify for you to diagnose someone with ADHD or prescribe medication? especially with such limited info?? i want to go to that school for sure.

I got mine from the interwebz, where everything is serious business.

[pickled_heretic]

damn where'd all you bros get your ph.d to qualify for you to diagnose someone with ADHD or prescribe medication? especially with such limited info?? i want to go to that school for sure.

i had a longer attention span than 15 minutes when i was 7 years old. i don't need a phd to tell you that much.

[pickled_heretic]

Do you honestly think GM's get-off on banning people?
Me too! *polishes her shiny ban hammer*

[burkemi5]

i had a longer attention span than 15 minutes when i was 7 years old. i don't need a phd to tell you that much.

that's probably true. but from being a grad student in education i don't like hearing ppl throw around adhd or medication while knowing jack shit.

inb4 you mad, i was slightly irritated.

[Method]

Signed bring this family back to EQ!

[pickled_heretic]

that's probably true. but from being a grad student in education i don't like hearing ppl throw around adhd or medication while knowing jack shit.

inb4 you mad, i was slightly irritated.

u slightly irritated brew?

[burkemi5]

u slightly irritated brew?

brew... yeah. i calmed down though it's all good.

[pickled_heretic]

brew... yeah. i calmed down though it's all good.

it's okay. i'm always mad. so dnt feel bad if u r not glad :D:D:D

[Froog]

Still hoping for devine intervention lol

[Zigfreed]

Never.
Going.
To
Happen.

[Snaggles]

This thread is like never ending popcorn.

Mmmmm....salty drama goodness.

[Froog]

Still waiting......

[Moggster]

This thread is like never ending popcorn.

Mmmmm....salty drama goodness.

the tears are delicous

[Snaggles]

the tears are delicous

I can't believe they aren't butter!

[Kabilos]

What about 365 people getting caught two boxing at once

it was 730 characters.

[Froog]

it was 730 characters.

Seriously.. and we can't catch a break even when innocent.. sounds fair..

[Korisek]

Still hoping for devine intervention lol

Did you petition in the petition forum?

[Froog]

Did you petition in the petition forum?

Yes, clearly explained the situation 9read first post in thread) and the person who mistakenly banned me was the only responder who basically said no appeals.. your done no matter the circumstances... I posted in here in the hopes Rogaen. or even Uthgaard, (who now Ive heard rumours left due to some controversy of lienient treatment to 100's of people who admitted they were guilty)..


I just dont understand that there is definately resonable doubt here.. a

nd yet you guys let like hundereds of others off who admit guilt yet keep our family banned to what.. back a guide who in her own words "looks forward to banning as much as possible and "shines up her bann hammer" as much as she can?

Come on man.. heck change the names even and of course we will have the amnesia if anyone thinks we were the banned toons "you must be thinken of someone else...)

enough is enough...
I understand I think why rogaen cant speak out..it kinda might look bad for him to ban us right after issuing such carte blanche amnesty..specialy that a lot of them were in his guild or good friends or aqquaintences..(not talking black holicopters here.. in a top guild and a small server like this you are bound to have both.. being the server boss if he plays is no different.. just puts him in a bad spot to respond here is all im saying)...

yet he also has to go by his guides decidsion as a show of leadeership solidarilty, and not undermine a underling he needs to help run the server, as clearly she might ber a bit immature and take it personally, I may be wrong.. but the tuanting and the absolute refusal to hear an appeal and the "no matter of grovelling wont change my mind' comment leads me to be;lieve she enjoys banning people.. and the fact that I have not heard one person say she went out of her way to help them (oh ive hear a fea latelt after the begginning of this thread.. damage control anyone?)...

anyway



I know two guides knew me here from live... was I the type of guy to cheat.. or do anyone any harm.. or even just be a dick at all?

Come one give us a break.. add uss to the what... almost 800 charactewrs you gave a break?

WTF is the issue here.. why are you comen down so hard on us guys?

Specialy you Amelinda.. what have we ever done to you except at first point out why you made a mistake and the impossibility of your ussumtion..


let it go.. be a decent human being the both of you and un bann the accounts.... this is just getting petty

[gnomishfirework]

Im going to help you out.

1. You Were Boxing. That's against the rules.
2. You did everything afterwards wrong (never make a public post about it if you wanted to even get considered for an appeal).
3. Stop mentioning the other people who broke the rules. That was a one-time amnesty. It had nothing to do with you. You also committed your offense after that, so you didn't listen to the warning.
4. The only people who claim Amelinda bans people who are innocent seem to all be people who were clearly guilty. Maybe you are the exception, but Amelinda seems legit. Calling her immature is a really bad idea if you wanted them to reconsider your ban. I'd imagine they wouldn't unban you now even if they discovered you were innocent.

By your posts I feel like you were guilty. Rogean has responded in other threads about this sort of thing. It seems like they do not make mistakes. They look for evidence (did you know they can tell you are using the same computer for both instances of EQ now?).


Here is my advice. Apologize for what you have said. If you were 2-boxing, admit it and leave the staff alone. Comeback in 6 months or a year and see if they will let you make a new account.

Your old characters are gone. The staff does this for free. It costs them. To accuse them of the things you have, even in the wussy way you have, is a good as saying "fuck you guys, I don't need your server."

I find you entertaining, but you need to give it a rest.

[Moggster]

this is just getting petty

pot meet kettle

Really cant believe your STILL posting, seek professional help EQ on a free emu is NOT that serious to consume you brain like this. Please give up, the thread was amusing @ 1st but it's quite stale now move on with your life ffs.

[Lagaidh]

This thread makes this server very, very classic. We now have a personal soap opera in the forums for weeks and weeks at a time.

Smells like Mystere Spirit.

[Slave]

FREE THE FROOG THREE!!

Seriously you look like total mooks already with the leniency on the HACKING accounts, just give this guy a break. He's obviously fucking awesome with 20+ pages of pleading and what not. I like him.

Froog, I'll lend you a few thousand plat if you want.

[Snaggles]

Don't know what's worst: Cheaters or obnoxious people who can't play the game.

"Sorry about the train deaths. He's 8 and started running because he got scared. I'll explain it in a whiny 20 page post."

[quido]

Your bans destroyed my family... there is nothing left.

[Autotune]

Your bans destroyed my family... there is nothing left.

In the paper last week, there was a whole family that committed suicide over a MMORPG. Wonder if this was it?

[Snaggles]

In the paper last week, there was a whole family that committed suicide over a MMORPG. Wonder if this was it?

Froog posted today. Not even a vengeful spirit would haunt this thread.

[Aesop]

links or it didn't happen.

[Moggster]

Froog posted today. Not even a vengeful spirit would haunt this thread.

lol +1

[Tiggles]

I'm just posting in this threads see if this guys "family" is still banned.....yup still banned good work Amelinda

[Silentone]

on the plus side you can buy a level 40 character for chump change =)

[Nirgon]

Bud, if you have an IP exemption, that's fine. Here's what isn't fine:

You + let's say your son both log in at the same time.

Son wanders off for 3 hours. You continue to heal or buff yourself while xping both chars. You do this for days straight or just days on and off. You get caught in the act. You get banned.

This wasn't a one time thing, it was probably obvious to the GMs that at no point did the 2 chars ever move/perform inputs at the same time for a couple of days which is just really impossible. Eventually you'd both hit say heal+taunt at the same time or turn right or left, or auto attack. It's over, you're done.

[Yoite]

narnia

[Diggles]

if you're gonna two box just plug in another keyboard and mouse ffs

[Autotune]

I have papers that show I truly have split personalities; therefore, I am the only person allowed to box on p99.

[Froog]

Nope not our family, /chuckle.

So a live chat or even video call isn't enough to satisfy Im not in fact three people? I think making two lifelike robotic dolls is too much love for eq even for me.

I ran out of latex gloves sifting thru the troll vomit for something useful.. or even slightly pertinent, had to restock

[Eldaran]

sorry for your loss man. I just have to hope the GM's knew what they were doing and had evidence that you were misusing your exemption.

[Froog]

sorry for your loss man. I just have to hope the GM's knew what they were doing and had evidence that you were misusing your exemption.

Thank you, I appreciate the support,=)
just want to clear one thing up tho. It was not "the GM's" was just Amelinda with her "freshly polished" quick draw ban hammer.

Someone mentioned earlier, that knowing her, she would probably just dig her heels in out of spite...unfortunately so far it seems they were pretty close to the mark.

[Autotune]

So a live chat or even video call isn't enough to satisfy Im not in fact three people?

dude, you're sick and need help. Who would force their family (possibly random strangers) to live video chat with you to help with your continuing addiction to project 1999 everquest boxing.


You need <SERIOUS> help.

[Auvdar]

just want to clear one thing up tho. It was not "the GM's" was just Amelinda with her "freshly polished" quick draw ban hammer.

Yep, because putting down probably the nicest GM this server has had is a great way to get this resolved!!

[Szeth]

Also Rogean posted in this thread confirming your guilt. Laying this at Amelinda's feet is laughable at best.

[Snaggles]

Thank you, I appreciate the support,=)
just want to clear one thing up tho. It was not "the GM's" was just Amelinda with her "freshly polished" quick draw ban hammer.

Someone mentioned earlier, that knowing her, she would probably just dig her heels in out of spite...unfortunately so far it seems they were pretty close to the mark.

They proved your were cheating. Cheaters never prosper. You didn't prosper. Catch the logic train on that one?

Ultimately this thread will stop getting bumped though. Unfortunately the only downfall of you getting banned.


PS: Someone mentioned earlier, that knowing her, she would probably just dig her heels in out of spite.

Translated, "I'm kinda a big deal. Haters gonna hate."

[Softcore PK]

Froog!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSO4Y9ygPIw

[Lovely]

Wow this Froog guy needs some serious help. Or is he possibly one of the greatest trolls ever?

[quido]

Wow this Froog guy needs some serious help. Or is he possibly one of the greatest trolls ever?

No, he's just a retarded lying cheater.

[Szeth]

Who couldn't even manage to get a reasonably high level character... while boxing 3 accounts.

[Nirgon]

When's this thread getting locked?

[Tiggles]

When's this thread getting locked?

ssshh

froog tell us your side of the story again, from the top

[Froog]

ssshh

froog tell us your side of the story again, from the top

Ok well back in the third grade.. mommy didn't hug me enough...

[Kabilos]

holy crap this thread is pretty epic.. 247 replies.. and thousands of views..

/popcorn

[Liathan]

i believe ya.

this all could have been solved just by two minutes of ventrilo. but its probably more of an ego/power-game from teh admin-chick...

hehehe, this is exactly the reason why - albeit having asked for that exemption - me and my gf never started teh thing. EXACTLY this reason, period.

[Snaggles]

i believe ya.

this all could have been solved just by two minutes of ventrilo. but its probably more of an ego/power-game from teh admin-chick...

hehehe, this is exactly the reason why - albeit having asked for that exemption - me and my gf never started teh thing. EXACTLY this reason, period.

Yea and the same thing that could have been solved by the two accounts being played by two different people.

Unless you and your GF share a brain I think the GM's will pass you as a valid IP exemption.

[Liathan]

we actully got that exemption half a year ago. but following that, we sat down and talked bout "what would happens if..." and we quickly came to a scenario that EXACTLY matches that of Frog.

so, we decided its best to leave tis be. for EXACTLY this reason (!)

hate to say, but thaz actually why we left for Fippy Darkpaw :<

tis no flame thou, p99 is great shit (if u dont 2box or have a gf/roommate/family that wanna play too)