bards broke since patch

[mitic]

randomly i dont get any message on spells nor do i see the buff or detrimental message or effect

added to that my stamina and mana bar is bouncing up and down from 100% to 0% and back again when iam casting songs!

this is a serious bug since i died already twice since mezz didnt stick at all (neither resist message) !!!

[Elendae]

Yes, I can confirm this. Buff durations seem to have taken a hit too. About a tick less than usual.

[Neno]

Same here. Was working fine last night and when I logged on today around 11am EST I noticed the invis song was giving me "You feel your self starting to appear" messages every single tick. Also mana and endurance bars were bouncing between 0% and 100% as mentioned above.

Side note.. I logged in this morning at around 3:30am-4:00am EST to check on some spawns and I was not receiving the "starting to appear" messages while using invis song.

[mitic]

please roll us back..this is almost unplayable and get us killed pretty fast in hard camps (ie mezzes not working randomly)

[Deathrydar]

I just logged on and noticed the same thing. When I cast songs, my mana bar empties out very quickly and then it fills back up just as quickly. Then the same thing happens with my stamina bar.

[mitic]

devs please dont give up on bards, i know we are hard to fix in some ways but we need some love too! i implore u to keep us on a certain priority with fixes! :D

[Xumosa]

also i dont know if this applys for the bugs already known about bards, but there are times when i try to cast a song it dosnt give me the 'you have missed a note' saying it just stops casting..and i will recast it about 10-20 times and it still wont go with nothing but 'song ends' being spammed on my screen i have to stop tryin to cast for awhile or else hit it really fast over and over again just to get my song to go

[mitic]

also i dont know if this applys for the bugs already known about bards, but there are times when i try to cast a song it dosnt give me the 'you have missed a note' saying it just stops casting..and i will recast it about 10-20 times and it still wont go with nothing but 'song ends' being spammed on my screen i have to stop tryin to cast for awhile or else hit it really fast over and over again just to get my song to go

thats a known bug...happens once or twice a day for me..just spam a song for some seconds. i learned to live with it, there is worse ;)

[Elendae]

Yes, I can confirm this. Buff durations seem to have taken a hit too. About a tick less than usual.

Tested this some more. Mez lasts less than usual for sure, and I need to mess with slow some more yet but that seems to not be lasting its full duration. Buffs don't appear to have changed except they randomly won't stick and there's no fail message. The message "Your song ends." only shows once now, so I'm wondering if whatever changed with that is whats causing some of these issues.

It's shaky, but not as bad as before the last big bard fix.

[Haynar]

I am working the bard issues. The more feedback, the sooner they will be fixed. Demanding rollbacks is not one of my options. I want to move forward and get them fixed once and for all.

If you have specifics on how to reproduce a bug, then post all the specifics and I can fix it faster.

If you want to complain and demand rollbacks, I don't have problem leaving them broke and go on to a class who will help me get them fixed.

Bards are my focus this week, so now that I have you attention, I would appreciate your help. So post all your bard issues here ASAP please.

Haynar

[Elendae]

rollback is not an option, I love how far this class has come. I'll mess around and take some notes tonight with this recent bug.

[shlence]

The two most critical bugs that seem to have appeared as of last patch are the mana and endurance bars bouncing from 0 to full and everywhere in between whenever you sing a song and the songs randomly not casting.

The cast timer goes off, and the song looks like it:s casting, then nothing ever happens when it finishes. You then have to recast the song again to get the effect. This pretty much makes twisting impossible as well as being dangerous when it happens on songs like mez and charm.

There:s also the everlasting lack of a missed note message which isn:t so much of a pain as much as an annoyance.

The first two 2 of those bugs were introduced as of last patch.

As far as reproducibility goes...I can:t seem to find any rhythm to the errors, except that they happen almost every other or third cast. As of level 7, the errors happen with every single song that I have learned to date.

[Haynar]

I think I know what I did with the duration of songs, and how to fix.

I think I know what I did with the mana going up and down, and how to fix.

Now my fixes on these two may not be perfect. Mainly because I don't have hours to test.

The specifics of what I need for bugs"

1. Description of the bug.
2. How do I make the bug happen. Specifics, like spells to use, situations, ie in combat taking hits. Things like this.
3. How it should work.

I don't have the time to explore all the details about how to play every class. So the more detailed the better.

Thanks,

Haynar

[Haynar]

One of the things I worked on for the last patch, there were 4 different interrupt song methods happening to songs. This is why there were 4 different song ends messages. They all originated by different mechanisms. So I am working on getting those sorted out, so the right one happens at the right time. These are I believe some of the causes of the other bard problems, because songs aren't ending the right way.

So one of the key things I am looking at, are what ways songs end, that screw things up.

[shlence]

1. Lack of a missed notes message.
2. When playing songs at low levels, you normally get *fizzles* like any other caster, however they should come trhough as *missed notes*. These missed note messages are not getting relayed to the client, even though to my knowledge other players can still see them.
3. When a bard song fizzles, the bard should see a You have missed a note! message.]

1. Songs are randomly having no effect even though the cast time has elapsed.
2. Singing any song will occasionally produce this effect. Easiest test is casting the level 2 ae dot repeatedly on some targets. About every 1 in 3 song casts will produce the effect (or lack there of).
3. You cast a spell, the cast bar elapses, your spell takes effect. Step 3 in the process is not occurring about 30% of the time right now. This is a new bug as of last patch for me.


Skee-7 Half Elf Bard

[Ittindi]

Here are a few tests from the 4th level:

Out of Combat-- traveling in Qeynos Hills

1. Chant of Battle only---> ok
2. Chords of Dissonance only --> DMG but no song icon in effect window
3. Jaxan's Jig of Vigor only ---> ok
4. Twisting ---> Stamina and Mana fluctuations

In Combat-- Qeynos Hills

1. Chant of Battle only---> ok
2. Chords of Dissonance only --> DMG but no song icon in effect window
3. Jaxan's Jig of Vigor only ---> ok
4. Twisting ---> Stamina and Mana fluctuations

I tried the twists with both 2 and 3 songs with the same results.

[shlence]

FYI, the Chords of Dissonance spell shouldn:t have an effect in your window, it is a DoT on mobs? Also the bugs effects can be seen on all spells, whether twisting or not. However, the fluctuations are on initial casts, not every time the song refreshes, so it is easiest to see while twisting. It does happen with chant of battle and Jaxan:s as well.

[mitic]

not my intention to complain, i just thought it would be easier to rollback since the current bugs are kinda gamebreaking

the new bugs are hardly reproduceable since it can affect every song as it did for me today those 5 hours i played (sunday everything was ok btw)

1.)
randomly out of nowhere it goes like this while fighting and twisting up to 4 songs since i pulled nonstop today

cast buff song
the spell casting starts
by the end of the cast no buff goes up in the buff window (nor a message in chat)

same with any detrimental songs
the spell casting starts
be the end of the cast nothing happens and there is no message like "mob glazes", "mob slows down" "mob chants" "younamethespell"

2.) mana and stamina-bars in the playerwindow bounching up and down.

3.) old issue: bard instrument animation as posted in another thread not showing on other classes

[Deathrydar]

not my intention to complain, i just thought it would be easier to rollback since the current bugs are kinda gamebreaking

the new bugs are hardly reproduceable since it can affect every song as it did for me today those 5 hours i played (sunday everything was ok btw)

1.)
randomly out of nowhere it goes like this while fighting and twisting up to 4 songs since i pulled nonstop today

cast buff song
the spell casting starts
by the end of the cast no buff goes up in the buff window (nor a message in chat)

same with any detrimental songs
the spell casting starts
be the end of the cast nothing happens and there is no message like "mob glazes", "mob slows down" "mob chants" "younamethespell"

2.) mana and stamina-bars in the playerwindow bounching up and down.

3.) old issue: bard instrument animation as posted in another thread not showing on other classes

This is the same description of the problem that I would give.
And just to clarify to an above poster, you are not supposed to see the icon for Chords of Dissonance.

And Haynar, just to let you know:
The mana bars and stamina bars go up and down over and over during battle so much that it's almost comical. The problem is that when the stamina bar is down low, I receive all of the detrimental effects of having an empty stamina bar, which is bad!
This happens, on average, about ten times per fight!
And when the battle is over, it's like a "roll of the dice" to see which bar will be at "empty" at the end of the fight.
Help us!!

[Xumosa]

Old Issue: When twisting songs a different character be it ranger, war, cleric, whatever will do the dancing and singing

-dosnt matter what song it is
-its always a group member doing it

[mitic]

Old Issue: When twisting songs a different character be it ranger, war, cleric, whatever will do the dancing and singing

-dosnt matter what song it is
-its always a group member doing it

ah right! guess thats somehow related with the noone can see bards instrument animation except bards themselves

[Deathrydar]

Bah! Let's get these mana bar/stamina bar and song issues resolved! I could care less about animation! :p

[guineapig]

Bah! Let's get these mana bar/stamina bar and song issues resolved! I could care less about animation! :p

On the up side this shouldn't be effecting any low level bards, ie: before you get charm. I was soloing in WC yesterday and my other songs were working okay despite the wonky stamina and mana bar.

But I can't imagine how rough this must be for bard mains right now.

[Xumosa]

Bah! Let's get these mana bar/stamina bar and song issues resolved! I could care less about animation! :p

yeah, its just we have a developer looking at our class right now, might as well list -every- bug with our class so he can look into each of them :D maybe get bards fully fixed once and for all!

[VictoryARC]

Bards being broken/nerfed nerfs all of us who like to have them in groups. I can understand noot wanting bards to be able to kite entire zones, but overnerfing or neglecting the class hurts all of us music lovers.

Thanks for attempting to address bard issues Haynar

[Haynar]

I am about 80% done with getting all the singing, interrupts, resolved for bards. I have identified essentially 4 different ways to interrupt the songs. Depending on what causes the interrupt, only one way works best. I found some other bugs along the way, that would cause spell gems to not unlock and might get you stuck temporarily unable to start a song.

After I finish making sure all the ways to interrupt a bard song are tied to the right method of interruption that part should be done.

Haynar

[Deathrydar]

I am about 80% done with getting all the singing, interrupts, resolved for bards. I have identified essentially 4 different ways to interrupt the songs. Depending on what causes the interrupt, only one way works best. I found some other bugs along the way, that would cause spell gems to not unlock and might get you stuck temporarily unable to start a song.

After I finish making sure all the ways to interrupt a bard song are tied to the right method of interruption that part should be done.

Haynar

That's great news, Haynar. Thanks for all of your hard work!
Any luck finding out what's up with the mana and stamina bars? That's the oddest bug I've seen yet.

Being fatigued all of the time= fail :(

[Haynar]

The mana/sta bar issue is due to me using an interrupt, that I found would work for all, but had bad side effects. So essentially it works for none pretty much.

Haynar

[JayFiveAlive]

Another bug not mentioned in this thread yet is our Hymn of Restoration. Each time it heals, you hear the cast sound for it. It should not make any sound when healing :P


PS, I imagine playing song animations are broken for good?

[Deathrydar]

The mana/sta bar issue is due to me using an interrupt, that I found would work for all, but had bad side effects. So essentially it works for none pretty much.

Haynar

Ahh! Thanks for trying to get us all fixed up, Haynar!!

[Haynar]

Another bug not mentioned in this thread yet is our Hymn of Restoration. Each time it heals, you hear the cast sound for it. It should not make any sound when healing :P


PS, I imagine playing song animations are broken for good?
Song animations are in my plans.

The fixing Hymn of Restoration, was the purpose of these changes. Then it got out of control real fast.

Haynar

[Elendae]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3745

for any new bards on the server.

[JayFiveAlive]

Thanks for the update and we appreciate your work Haynar :)

[SKiLD]

Tried looking around the forums to see if this was a known bug, as I had it happen before the patch, but bard's bind sight seems to be broken. Can cast on a NPC and it acts like its sticking on mob (spell effect shows) but nothing happens. Casting on a PC says they are protected. Had a wiz test out his bind sight and it worked fine on a NPC, wont stick on PC either. To make things even wierder, when I was trying spell in Mistmoore on a pathing NPC in castle, some monk on other side of zone says ,"wtf man". I thought I started a train somehow but apparently my bind sight was letting him see through a mages eyes in the zone, neither of which i targeted at anytime. Don't know if I could recreate bug doing same thing. Thanks for any help getting the spell working again and appreciate all the time you, rog, and devs spend on the server Haynar.

[mitic]

could u fix clickies and pots too while you are on it please. iam not able to cast them while playing a song as it should be

ps: some input from another emu server http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?12071-Some-more-upcomming-changes

The whole EQ emu source is massively disorganized. If someone were to simply organize the existing code, it would be 10x easier to do anything (no hyperbole). Scrolling through thousands of lines in attack.cpp looking for one little thing isn't really efficient.

I remember plowing through the bard song code some and I didn't even try to fuck with that. I'm sure real EQ has separate code for song functionality, but on emu they just reused normal spell code and ghetto-hacked it up to work for bards.

man, bards must be a nightmare for devs on emu

[bobbobson]

could u fix clickies and pots too while you are on it please. iam not able to cast them while playing a song as it should be


In addition to that, I have noticed that it is impossible to use a thrown weapon while singing. I can throw after I turn songs off, but while its on I click ranged attack and nothing happens. I tried it with throwing daggers and shuriken.

Edit: Just so you know, I don't know if bards are actually supposed to be able to do this, it just seemed fishy to me.

[Haynar]

I got a lot of the bard code straight now. I put myself at about 95%.

Bards should be able to use clickies while singing?

Anything to back that up? Just asking, as it will get backed out of the code if it shouldnt be in there, so I dont want to waste time trying to do that if its not okay.

Haynar

[Droxx]

I don't remember them being able to use clickies while singing, but they COULD use clickies while running.

[Deathrydar]

I got a lot of the bard code straight now. I put myself at about 95%.
You are the man, Haynar!

[JayFiveAlive]

Great to hear!! This isn't huge, just was curious - will other players ever be able to see bard song animations?

[JayFiveAlive]

Level 15 song Kellin's Lucid Lullaby (AE: Enthrall) seems to be broken.. it's single target only.

[mitic]

Anything to back that up? Just asking, as it will get backed out of the code if it shouldnt be in there, so I dont want to waste time trying to do that if its not okay.

played a bard on live for around a year in the early 2000ies and iam very positive on this (see also the other post about throwing weapons in this thread)

will try to find something when i come home, this will be tricky to find on the nets.

anyone here with an active live account? would be easier to test it out on live!

[Spirou]

For thoose of you who like to play bards here is a excel file that helps a lot.

http://home.comcast.net/~rlorenson2/BardSong.5.4.xls

I hope this helps

Houba

[mitic]

For thoose of you who like to play bards here is a excel file that helps a lot.

http://home.comcast.net/~rlorenson2/BardSong.5.4.xls

I hope this helps

Houba

great infos there...worth to check it out bards and devs!

[Deathrydar]

played a bard on live for around a year in the early 2000ies and iam very positive on this (see also the other post about throwing weapons in this thread)

will try to find something when i come home, this will be tricky to find on the nets.

anyone here with an active live account? would be easier to test it out on live!

Remember though, even if it does work on live now, it doesn't mean that it worked that way in classic!

[mitic]

Remember though, even if it does work on live now, it doesn't mean that it worked that way in classic!

would be just a doublecheck since iam pretty confident it used to work already 9ish years ago

[astuce999]

I cannot, for the life of me, remember of any clicky that I used while I had a song going. I can, however, remember a lot of clickies that I had to stop /melody in order to activate. Clicky mana song from lute of flowing waters, clicky haste from rapier of somber notes, clicky harmonize from shadowsong cloak, clicky invis from tiny cloak of darkest night. Click while running, no problem, but click while singing, I`d say no. This won`t be an issue either, but the only thing we had to stay still for it to work was the anniversary AA, Origin, to gate back to bind point.

`Stuce

[Rogean]

Bards needed to stop singing to cast a clicky. They could still run/attack while it was casting.

[Jete]

they could with insta-clickies

[Gorgetrapper]

Bard mezz songs are broken as well, but it's probably tied in along with the rest of the issues. I am only able to continually mezz a mob and do nothing else but attack. If you try to sing another song, mezz breaks about 2-3 seconds after stopping.

[laeolan]

Bard mezz songs are broken as well, but it's probably tied in along with the rest of the issues. I am only able to continually mezz a mob and do nothing else but attack. If you try to sing another song, mezz breaks about 2-3 seconds after stopping.
Level 15 song Kellin's Lucid Lullaby (AE: Enthrall) seems to be broken.. it's single target only.
The level 15 Mesmerize should be AoE but is only working on one NPC. The higher level Mez songs are single target, but I remember the first one being AoE. I don't know if this is good enough evidence but the caster's realm mirror from January 2000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010505180910/eq.castersrealm.com/spells/bard/spelldescriptions.asp?SpellID=4) says:
Name: Kellin's Lucid Lullaby.
Level: 15.
Mana: Not Required.
Song Type: String, not required.
Type: General Purpose song of varied benefits.
Actual Effects: Area Effect: Enthrall.
Description: This song will put to sleep mobs in close proximity to you.

The best way to test this is to go into a newb yard, aggro 2-3 mobs, and sing the mez song on one of them. When I tried this I got:
1. Nothing, song appears to complete but no "Head nods" message.
2. It works, but only current target mezzed, nothing happens to the others.
3. No twisting possible, as soon as I stop singing the mez song it wears off. Or at most lasts another 3 seconds. I made sure to wait until the song is "fresh" before switching so it should last at least 5-6 seconds.

What I think should happen is:
1. Current target and those nearby are all mezzed, unless resisted.
2. Twisting possible (if dangerous) as long as mez song is landed again within 6 seconds.

[edit] I just hit 15 on my bard, so if someone higher level could test the 28 mez that would be great. For the devs: On live Kelin's was nerfed to work only on mobs under 25. At that point you had to start using the 28th level Crission's Pixie Strike. With an 18 second duration, you can keep 4-6 mobs asleep with Crission's by switching between targets and constantly recasting mez. With the issues of duration and songs not landing, I dont' see that working atm. Thanks for looking at these issues!

[Haynar]

My status so far:

I have interrupts working right, pretty much.
Durations fixed (I hope)
Animations not working
Bard mana will refresh while singing
Filtering bard songs, will filter the song spam, and the graphics.
And a few other little things.

I am working on:
Getting the instrument modifier to stick, if it was equipped when song started.

I do have a live account, and can go look at instaclickies, compared to other clickies. Then will need research on this to back it up in the classic era.

Haynar

[JayFiveAlive]

Wooot! Thanks Haynar

[Jete]

Yea awesome Haynar, I am going off a few threads on the insta-clicky thing, I cant remember if its true or not...

If you need any testing done let me know!

[shlence]

Thanks for the work Haynar, glad to see my favorite class get worked out!

[Tsuken]

When I was trying to play a bard, my twisting would often get bugged. A song would start "casting, but then stop almost instantly and it would keep doing this no matter what song you sang after. It would give a "your song ends" message if I recall correctly. It would rarely(!) fix itself if you randomly spammed starting all songs, but it would take at least 5 seconds of constantly spamming for it to get fixed.

[Haynar]

When I was trying to play a bard, my twisting would often get bugged. A song would start "casting, but then stop almost instantly and it would keep doing this no matter what song you sang after. It would give a "your song ends" message if I recall correctly. It would rarely(!) fix itself if you randomly spammed starting all songs, but it would take at least 5 seconds of constantly spamming for it to get fixed.
This is what I have spent most of my time working on, identifying all the ways you get bugged while twisting. I think I have them worked out. Hopefully we can get it pushed out soon, so you all can tell me if I got it right or not.

I finished coding of the modifiers storing when you start the song, but I haven't tested yet because I am in class at school. Hopefully I can finish my testing tonight.

Haynar

[mitic]

--> 1. Nothing, song appears to complete but no "Head nods" message. <--


the current problem with songs not hiting at all after the cast is executed + shorter duration is a GENERAL problem on EVERY song that can occur 50% of the time a spell is casted

btw, 28mez works just fine....in theory right now and before patch :D

[laeolan]

the current problem with songs not hiting at all after the cast is executed + shorter duration is a GENERAL problem on EVERY song that can occur 50% of the time a spell is casted

btw, 28mez works just fine....in theory right now and before patch :D

I tested it for over a half hour and it never hit any mob other than the one I had targeted. I tried just letting the song run, and I tried switching targets. It never hit any other mob except the target, so I don't think its just the general issue we have all seen. I am confident that Kellin's Lucid Lullaby is acting as a single target spell and not AoE like it should. Hopefully the changes made to interrupt and duration will fix this as well, but I thought it was worth posting, especially since others had mentioned it but not provided the exact steps Haynar asked for. I am just trying to help!

[Gwence]

you say it is suppose to be an ae mes, I have more than once source saying it is single target mes.

that spreadsheet link that was posted earlier in this thread says it is single target and also -

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=724&source=Live


it could have been changed from an ae mes to a single target but it seems unlikely and in my experience castersrealm has proven to be an unreliable source in the past.

[Gwence]

I tested it for over a half hour and it never hit any mob other than the one I had targeted. I tried just letting the song run, and I tried switching targets. It never hit any other mob except the target, so I don't think its just the general issue we have all seen. I am confident that Kellin's Lucid Lullaby is acting as a single target spell and not AoE like it should. Hopefully the changes made to interrupt and duration will fix this as well, but I thought it was worth posting, especially since others had mentioned it but not provided the exact steps Haynar asked for. I am just trying to help!

Concerning single target songs (all single target songs); once you start a song directed at a mob you have to stop that song then target the new mob and start the song again.

If you just leave the song on and switch targets the song will stay on the original target even if it is dead.

Whether or not that is working as intended, it's how you have to do it.

[mreynert]

In regards to the people citing the "aoe mez" song.

Yes, originally said song was an AoE mez, but it was broken and never worked. It had a near 100% resist rate on any mob and if it did manage to stick, would break itself if a subsequent tick resisted on an already mezzed mob.

There was a demonstration of this song being broken back in the day when a max lvl bard went into the Qeynos newbie yard and rounded up a ton of snakes and cast this song to get VIRTUALLY 100% RESISTS on these lvl 1 mobs for an extended period of time. This demonstration was enough for sony to admit the song was borked and change it to a standard single target mez.

Plz for the love of god do not put it back to this horribly broken version. Wouldn't have an effect on me as I have higher mez, but it would be agony for lower lvl bards on the server. It's basically removing the song from the game period if you do.

And Gwence, as to single target songs, that is indeed working as intended. You could single target one mob, switch to another and leave it running and the effect would stay on old target on subsequent pulses. If a mob died I believe the song would stay on them even after death and would try to hit corpse as it is now.

[JayFiveAlive]

Good to know, thanks mreynert. A buddy of mine played EQ for a year or so and told me not to use that song as it doesn't work, that would be why lol.

[Deadlines]

Hi,

First let me just say, I'm really enjoying playing classic EQ again and appreciate all the hard work you guys are doing to make this possible. I Just thought I would throw my two cents in to this discussion, since I recently took up playing and am playing a Bard.

I noticed a couple people saying there shouldn't be an effect icon for chords of dissonance, which I agree with since it affects your enemies. But shouldn't this song still be showing an icon in the songs window when it is being used?

I wanted to address this because I've already been killed a few times from using chords of dissonance, then forgetting it was still active and going into town to sell or restock. It seems dubious that there should be no visual indication that the song is in place, since if you unwittingly approach any friendlies you automatically attack them.

tl;dr: Please add a song icon for Chords of Dissonance, getting killed by friendlies because you don't know a song is active is a bummer. Thank you!

[Jify]

Hi,

First let me just say, I'm really enjoying playing classic EQ again and appreciate all the hard work you guys are doing to make this possible. I Just thought I would throw my two cents in to this discussion, since I recently took up playing and am playing a Bard.

I noticed a couple people saying there shouldn't be an effect icon for chords of dissonance, which I agree with since it affects your enemies. But shouldn't this song still be showing an icon in the songs window when it is being used?

I wanted to address this because I've already been killed a few times from using chords of dissonance, then forgetting it was still active and going into town to sell or restock. It seems dubious that there should be no visual indication that the song is in place, since if you unwittingly approach any friendlies you automatically attack them.

tl;dr: Please add a song icon for Chords of Dissonance, getting killed by friendlies because you don't know a song is active is a bummer. Thank you!

Errr...

That song affects mobs around you, not you. There is no "icon" for that song that should be visible while your playing.

[Deadlines]

Errr...

That song affects mobs around you, not you. There is no "icon" for that song that should be visible while your playing.

Errrr... as I said in the post you just replied to, I'm referring to an icon in the songs window. Perhaps it never had one in 1999, but it just seemed odd to me, given that every other song/effect for Bards displays either an icon in the effects window or the songs window when it's being used that this one should be different.

[guineapig]

It works the same way as any detrimental songs do or for that matter detrimental spells. bard slow, chanter slow, bard DoT, necro DoT, bard snare, druid snare.

You will never see what debuffs or dots are on a mob.

The song window is only there for songs that are affecting you.

[Deadlines]

It works the same way as any detrimental songs do or for that matter detrimental spells. bard slow, chanter slow, bard DoT, necro DoT, bard snare, druid snare.

You will never see what debuffs or dots are on a mob.

The song window is only there for songs that are affecting you.

Aha! thanks for the input, I guess I'll just have to ensure I keep mashing my speed buff after combat. It sucks, but I'm sure I can get used to it.

[guineapig]

By clicking on any song icon it cancels whatever songs you are playing.
When you icons are not greyed out that means you are currently not singing anything.

For good measure just click your health song afterwards. That way you also have a visual queue in your song window. Alternately you can create a specific audio queue for whatever detrimental aoe song you are using that worries you. This way you can hear a little chime when your aoe dot ends.

[JayFiveAlive]

How would you create an audio queue for songs?

[Deathrydar]

Aha! thanks for the input, I guess I'll just have to ensure I keep mashing my speed buff after combat. It sucks, but I'm sure I can get used to it.

You have no idea how many times I have been killed the past few days because I walk into an inn with my chords song still active. :confused:

"Hey Zerik, how bout a nice......are you trying to kill me?"

Pissed off Inkeeper hits you for 350 points of damage

[Xumosa]

lol yep thats exacally how it used to be/still is on live, I remember all too well lvling up my bard i died so many times because of that too, although you learn fairly quickly to pay attention to what you are singing :p....always thought it was hilarious watching other bards die by this too

[guineapig]

How would you create an audio queue for songs?

Audio triggers just look for specific text. So all you do is type whatever you want it to look for (I don't know offhand what the specific text is for the ending of dirge songs). Then you pick a sound, and give that trigger a name.

Voila!

[Deadlines]

Audio triggers just look for specific text. So all you do is type whatever you want it to look for (I don't know offhand what the specific text is for the ending of dirge songs). Then you pick a sound, and give that trigger a name.

Voila!

Much obliged sir, I'll have to look into these. It's been so long since I've played I barely remember anything. I need to get back into the macros too, they were super useful as I recall.

[Deathrydar]

lol yep thats exacally how it used to be/still is on live, I remember all too well lvling up my bard i died so many times because of that too, although you learn fairly quickly to pay attention to what you are singing :p....always thought it was hilarious watching other bards die by this too

Yeah, you would think I would know better, being that I leveled a Bard to level 57 back in the classic thru velious era.

But I did the same thing back then as well. But eventually, I just learned to always pay attention to which song I was currently playing. Now it seems the only time this happens to me is when I am on the phone or something.