hacked PP?

[Wudan]

I’m new to the server (been here for 1 month) and I have heard rumors lately about people hacking millions of plat back in the early days of the server and not getting caught.

I have often wondered why are the prices so much higher compare to live...FBSS 10k +
Sarnak Battle Shield 14k, etc. I had these items on live and they cost me like 2-3k each. I think I have the explanation now....inflation as a result of hacking millions of plat!

Did it really happen? The server economy is truly fucked up...woud be nice to know why

[Flunklesnarkin]

Prices have actually been coming down a lot lately because the supply of "rare" items has been increasing faster than population.


I think prices are the way they are atm mostly because people have had time to farm up a lot of plat too.


economy is a bit jacked up but i think it will level out by the time velious hits. and its still plenty possible to farm up plat easy even on a level 1.

[Tuffpuppy]

Prices are higher here because the population is much less. Less people camping items = less items = higher prices.

[Ikonoclastia]

I’m new to the server (been here for 1 month) and I have heard rumors lately about people hacking millions of plat back in the early days of the server and not getting caught.

I have often wondered why are the prices so much higher compare to live...FBSS 10k +
Sarnak Battle Shield 14k, etc. I had these items on live and they cost me like 2-3k each. I think I have the explanation now....inflation as a result of hacking millions of plat!

Did it really happen? The server economy is truly fucked up...woud be nice to know why
Edited since my post might not be allowed. Google is your friend.

[rmackner]

Forgot about the crazy amount of rmt on this server. They even have a website thats just for rmting p99 accounts, gear and plat.

[Extunarian]

You can get 12k for that FBSS after a solid day of killing seafuries, guaranteed. You might camp frenzy for 24 hours without an fbss. Seems about fair.

When I'm trying to get an item I just try to think about how many hours of camping it would take me to get it, and how much plat I could farm in that time. They usually come out about equal.

AND...if the price seems way jacked up, just camp one, sell it, and reap the benefits of the inflated price.

[Scavrefamn]

Forgot about the crazy amount of rmt on this server. They even have a website thats just for rmting p99 accounts, gear and plat.

RMTing on P99 should be instant perma ban...

Sigh.

[Extunarian]

RMTing on P99 should be instant perma ban...

Sigh.

It is if they get caught.

[Skekekke]

Did it really happen? The server economy is truly fucked up...woud be nice to know why

People raged to lvl 50 then farmed the shit out of Seafuries.

Lots of plat in rotation.

[Hagglebaron]

Seafuries, hill giants etc were camped pretty much nonstop for years. Was definitely a big factor, although i'm sure some duped plat remained in circulation despite the bans.

Either way it's not a huge barrier to playing. Earn a nice item and sell it yourself for those prices, etc etc etc etc

[Barkingturtle]

I don't believe SBS was 3k during Kunark. FBSS I recall being 5-7k on my server during Luclin, even. Prices here aren't so bad and have only been getting better since IB left.

[Lazortag]

You guys realize there was duping on Live too, right? Duping isn't as rampant as you guys make it out to be. The most likely explanation for high prices is (a) more plat in circulation from players farming seafuries and similar camps, and (b) guilds monopolizing raid content leading to certain items being ridiculously overpriced (since they can basically set what the "fair" price is).

[falkun]

The biggest factors to the high price of high-end items on this server:


High average player level
Slow progression
Increased game knowledge


They combine to allow the high level players to farm immense amounts of raw PP (and items) while item power decreases slower due to the slow progression schedule. When raw PP on the server increases, but the items to spend it on stay stagnate for long periods, you get inflation. There are also virtually zero raw PP dumps on this server to take money out of the economy (no casino, no high priced mounts, etc).

The good news is that this makes the mid-tier items undervalued! Because everyone has the best, no one needs the mid-tier. The L30s quest armor is undervalued, hybrid Kunark armor is undervalued, mid-grade weapons are undervalued because the market is that much smaller. Yes, you are going to have to pay for BIS, but 80% of BIS is not 80% of the price, and should work for most players.

[Noselacri]

The economy is not fucked up, it's just different. Everything is comparatively expensive, so you can sell items for more as well. It generally evens out. It's less lucrative to farm cash, but considering how badly the game's solo spots have been overcamped throughout the history of the server, I don't think it's such a bad thing that people are discouraged from taking up leveling spots. There was a time when you had to wait in line for anything profitable, and you just couldn't level on stuff like hill giants because it would be camped by level 50+ players 24/7. As the economy shifted towards very high prices, farming actual money became a little less effective, and most of the high-end Kunark loot takes a group to camp. Thus, players are encouraged to group more and this helps a lot with such a small playerbase. Before Kunark, almost everything could be camped solo or duo, and the only ones with money were the enchanters, necros, magicians etc. It may cost you 10k for an FBSS, but you can also sell the items you find for more.

[Ele]

The smaller, more knowledgeable player base also means that a lot of the exp/loot camps are combined, whereas on live it was not uncommon to find 60-80 or even 100 in SolB, LGuk, KC, or Seb during primetime. The exp/loot camps were completely diluted among all those players on live. Here you can roll in to these places and camp pretty much what you want, when you want.

Places like High Keep on live were camped by 3 distinct groups, here one group kills all the goblins (when there is actually a group there now days). On my live server GIBs were their own camp in LGuk for a group of six. Disco 1 and Disco 2 were split for two groups on live. Crypt and Emp were distinct camps. Upper zone out, lower zone out (not king), and entry hall were each exp camps in Seb.

Here on P99, these camps are combined and usually still not enough so groups branch out and pull other camps to compensate.

[Sylexis]

A group I was in in Seb the other day was pulling disco 1, 2, the lab, pickler and the scarab. I am sure that was more than one camp back in the day. People just do things differently / more efficiently now.

[shortbuslower]

Every server had different prices back on live. P999 is on par with my old server tribunal. Everything is worth about the same and the value of items are decreasing at the same rate as my old server. There was duping on live and hacking on live also, it's impossible stop it completely. On live you could double box and here you can't which in long run is helping the economy. Overall the economy on here is very healthy. Just takes a little work to make money any one can do it if they research and invest the time

[iNteg]

Every server had different prices back on live. P999 is on par with my old server tribunal. Everything is worth about the same and the value of items are decreasing at the same rate as my old server. There was duping on live and hacking on live also, it's impossible stop it completely. On live you could double box and here you can't which in long run is helping the economy. Overall the economy on here is very healthy. Just takes a little work to make money any one can do it if they research and invest the time

Tribunal eh? Shining Path fo Lyfe.

[Grozmok]

Welcome to the server!

Don't worry about the prices, it's just normal mudflation. If you play the game normally, you'll be fine and eventually transition from the Have Nots to the Haves.

[Within99]

Hacked plat can still happen today probably, think of all the people who sell plat online, RL money for plat online.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Seafuries used to be better than they are now. I used to share Seafuries with MAYBE one other person for the longest time. I would be raking in so much money I couldn't even spend it all at one point.

[Ikonoclastia]

The economy is not fucked up, it's just different.
Trend looks like a market crash at the moment based on wiki prices. I don't think you could say its a good economy or anything like live was. I would call it broken.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Forget worrying about how expensive or cheap stuff is


it's more fun to go kill whatever has the gear you want anyways ;p

[gnomishfirework]

Prices arent that bad. Only rare raid gear is outrageous (velious will solve most of that). VLike someone said, midrange stuff is priced well.

10k for an FBSS during kunark seems reasonable. 6k for GEBs is extremely reasonable.

[Wudan]

Prices arent that bad. Only rare raid gear is outrageous (velious will solve most of that). VLike someone said, midrange stuff is priced well.

10k for an FBSS during kunark seems reasonable. 6k for GEBs is extremely reasonable.

idk, I bought fbss for 3k, Sarnak Battle Shield for 2.4k, Moss for 2k....this kind of prices ... and I got my Ceremonial Ikky BP from softskin I killed in Karana :)

It was on Rallos Zek, roughly 6 months after Kunark was out.

[Ikonoclastia]

yeah if you use way back machine (which basically serves snapshots of websites from the past), look at gear prices in Kunark era, all I keep seeing is 4k, 5k, 3k on FBSS, nothing near 12k.

A server with low pop should have prices at the lower end of that range.

Edit: Just fyi, I'm not complaining lol, I'll camp a FBSS myself just commenting! :)

[Sylexis]

yeah if you use way back machine (which basically serves snapshots of websites from the past), look at gear prices in Kunark era, all I keep seeing is 4k, 5k, 3k on FBSS, nothing near 12k.

A server with low pop should have prices at the lower end of that range.

Edit: Just fyi, I'm not complaining lol, I'll camp a FBSS myself just commenting! :)

You should have seen the cost of a SSOY last year :) Prices fluctuate, and the game has been out enough that whether by duping or by seafury and giant camping there's a lot of raw platinum on the server and nothing really to take it back out of the game.

[falkun]

You should have seen the cost of a SSOY last year :) Prices fluctuate, and the game has been out enough that whether by duping or by seafury and giant camping there's a lot of raw platinum on the server and nothing really to take it back out of the game.

Ya but now SSOY's, which haven't lost effectiveness in the L37-55 group game are now 1000/pair. That's INCREDIBLE value! As I stated earlier, you pay out the ass for BIS, but 80% of BIS is amazingly affordable.

[Extunarian]

idk, I bought fbss for 3k, Sarnak Battle Shield for 2.4k, Moss for 2k....this kind of prices ... and I got my Ceremonial Ikky BP from softskin I killed in Karana :)

It was on Rallos Zek, roughly 6 months after Kunark was out.

I didn't play on PvP servers, but my guess is that farming platinum was much more difficult there, keeping downward pressure on prices.

Honestly though, as I've said before, the prices for *decent* items like fbss/sbs seem to be roughly pegged to how long it takes to camp them, and how much straight plat you could farm in that time.

If you can farm plat at a rate of 1.5k/hour, and it takes 6 hours to camp an FBSS, why would you want to sell it for less than 9k?

[Grozmok]

I didn't play on PvP servers, but my guess is that farming platinum was much more difficult there, keeping downward pressure on prices.
I would also think that having a low population (demand) would pander to that behavior as well.

[Ikonoclastia]

I didn't play on PvP servers, but my guess is that farming platinum was much more difficult there, keeping downward pressure on prices.

Honestly though, as I've said before, the prices for *decent* items like fbss/sbs seem to be roughly pegged to how long it takes to camp them, and how much straight plat you could farm in that time.

If you can farm plat at a rate of 1.5k/hour, and it takes 6 hours to camp an FBSS, why would you want to sell it for less than 9k?
Supply and demand > how long it takes to camp. If its not time efficient to camp it then people wouldn't camp it, they would farm plat or camp something else, only people who would camp it would be those wanting to use it and not able to farm plat.

Its either in huge demand from twinks, or people don't mind a 12k price due to too much plat (plat competition) or its not being farmed much (not likely) or a combination of one or more of those.

Whatever the issue is, its pretty bad for attracting newer players to the server and keeping them, especially warriors.

[leezard]

This thread should have been about John Wayne Bobbit.
It can still be saved...

[Grozmok]

This thread should have been about John Wayne Bobbit.
It can still be saved...

What you did there, I see it.

[Messianic]

General knowledge about game mechanics, the *type* of
EQ player this server attracts (usually the more dedicated ones), knowledge about future items and how they compare to present items, how much the playerbase knows about *how* to make a lot of money very quickly...

The human element on p99 is a completely different animal from what it was on live in 99/2000/2001.

Prices are a function of an aggregation of human choices and have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's the same game.

Yeah, I think 11-12k for an FBSS is a little high. But if you realize that an FBSS is basically a standard mid-range twink item for *every single melee class* and is pretty much *the* standard haste item until you do some decent raiding or make the massive stack of plat for a COF/RBG etc...an FBSS is easily worth 10k given how much it helps your character, particularly at lower levels. Other than a regen item, haste is the single biggest enhancer for a melee class. So complaining about the price of an FBSS on p99 is kind of silly to me. I've noticed a substantial drop in SotDb prices lately, which makes sense to me. People used to ask 25k for it while FBSS was 13-15. roughly 5-6 more % haste and 2 ac isn't worth 10k, but 21% haste is worth 10-14 (esp given no real alternatives until level 46).