Kaiaren bugged - still eating items for monk epic.

[tekniq]

Hello,

Is Kaiaren still bugged? Last night I went to complete my monk epic to receive my Celestial Fists. After swimming to TD and handing my reference/robe of the whistling fists to Lhaeo, I received the 'Celestial Fists' book. When I went to turn in the book to Kaiaren (mad one by Sebilis), he ate my book. I hailed him, which he spoke to me, and went through the motions by saying "What Celestial fists" and got the normal text response. Once I handed him my book, I hit my feign death key, but nothing happened. Mad Kaiaren did not spawn and I didn't get attacked nor did I receive another text response. He just stood there and stared me back in the eyes as he ate my 'Celestial Fists' book.

I heard most people had issues during the final turn-in with True Form Kaiaren, but haven't really heard any issues with Mad Kaiaren. I'm 100% sure I did not do anything wrong, unless there is a level minimum for the final turn-in for the epic itself (which is still unknown, but I heard a <50 monk has completed it before). Can a dev get back to me on this if the quest is still bugged?

Thank You

[Fazlazen]

I had the same problem as a lvl 35 monk. I redid the robe and then completed the quest again at lvl 50. Your description of the bug is the exact same thing that happened to me.

[tekniq]

so mad kaiaren ate your stuff, not true form? I also have a petition thread up if any dev's get to see this message.

[Schortt]

If there is a level requirement for this turn in, the mob response to hails and quest text should reflect that with either different text (no idea what it would be) or just no response when you're not the required level.

Please advise or fix, thanks!

[Fazlazen]

so mad kaiaren ate your stuff, not true form? I also have a petition thread up if any dev's get to see this message.

yeah, I never could give the book to true form of Kaiaren because mad form didn't give it back/attack me. I do have a petition thread as well. I should have posted here as well so that this wouldnt happen again :( .

Like I said, your description of the bug is exactly what happened to me, at lvl 35.

[Lostprophets]

pretty much same thing happened to me. though I got my demon fangs eaten as well.

[tekniq]

yeah, I never could give the book to true form of Kaiaren because mad form didn't give it back/attack me. I do have a petition thread as well. I should have posted here as well so that this wouldnt happen again :( .

Like I said, your description of the bug is exactly what happened to me, at lvl 35.

Yes, I have a petition up too. I really wasn't sure what the minimum level requirement was. I thought it was 50, but then I saw somewhere it was confirmed that it is not a lvl 50 requirement (someone mentioned they did it at 48) so I just assumed it could be done since I did not have any problems with the hand-ins at any other parts.

[Fazlazen]

pretty much same thing happened to me. though I got my demon fangs eaten as well.

How would you lose the demon's fang as well ? I'm curious.

The "celestial fists" book and the "book of the celestial fist" are 2 different items. Some people don't cycle the celestial fists book to the true form of kaiaren and then end up losing both their book and fang. This isnt a bug, this is how the quest should work.

What we're talking about is mad form of kaiaren not giving back "celestial fists" book. The only use of this turn in is to spawn the true form of kaiaren in order to receive the book of the celestial fists. I've heard many people making the mistake of not cycling the book to the true form of kaiaren before handing the fang, but this isn't what we're talking about here.

[Szeth]

lol LP that's user error

[Metallikus]

most of the guides say minimum lvl of 51 or 52 for those final turn ins.
BUT, if the npc talks to you and goes thru the quest text, then it is pretty much saying you should be high enuff level (pretty much what schortt said).

[tekniq]

most of the guides say minimum lvl of 51 or 52 for those final turn ins.
BUT, if the npc talks to you and goes thru the quest text, then it is pretty much saying you should be high enuff level (pretty much what schortt said).

Yes, I went through the whole conversation with Kaiaren as described in the wiki, so I was pretty sure he would complete the quest.

I understand what you're saying and acknowledged that. I heard of problems with True Form Kaiaren by the lake for the final turn-in and wasn't planning to do that hand-in until I spoke to nilbog/rogean, but I was pretty sure that mad kaiaren would comply with this quest, but I guess not:(

How would you lose the demon's fang as well ? I'm curious.

The "celestial fists" book and the "book of the celestial fist" are 2 different items. Some people don't cycle the celestial fists book to the true form of kaiaren and then end up losing both their book and fang. This isnt a bug, this is how the quest should work.

What we're talking about is mad form of kaiaren not giving back "celestial fists" book. The only use of this turn in is to spawn the true form of kaiaren in order to receive the book of the celestial fists. I've heard many people making the mistake of not cycling the book to the true form of kaiaren before handing the fang, but this isn't what we're talking about here.

You mentioned this turn-in for the mad Kaiaren spawns the true-form Kaiaren, Now, if true-form Kaiaren is already up, does that mean that the mad-form part will be bugged/broken until the true-form despawns after the final turn-in (if he does, that is) from a previous attempt?

[Lostprophets]

How would you lose the demon's fang as well ? I'm curious.

The "celestial fists" book and the "book of the celestial fist" are 2 different items. Some people don't cycle the celestial fists book to the true form of kaiaren and then end up losing both their book and fang. This isnt a bug, this is how the quest should work.

What we're talking about is mad form of kaiaren not giving back "celestial fists" book. The only use of this turn in is to spawn the true form of kaiaren in order to receive the book of the celestial fists. I've heard many people making the mistake of not cycling the book to the true form of kaiaren before handing the fang, but this isn't what we're talking about here.


I was doing the final turn ins with book of the celestial fist and fang, and both were eaten.

[Fazlazen]

Yes, I went through the whole conversation with Kaiaren as described in the wiki, so I was pretty sure he would complete the quest.

I understand what you're saying and acknowledged that. I heard of problems with True Form Kaiaren by the lake for the final turn-in and wasn't planning to do that hand-in until I spoke to nilbog/rogean, but I was pretty sure that mad kaiaren would comply with this quest, but I guess not:(



You mentioned this turn-in for the mad Kaiaren spawns the true-form Kaiaren, Now, if true-form Kaiaren is already up, does that mean that the mad-form part will be bugged/broken until the true-form despawns after the final turn-in (if he does, that is) from a previous attempt?

It shouldnt be, a friend of mine gave his celestial fist (book) multiple times to Mad Kaiaren. When he went to the true form of Kaiaren, there werent 1 but like 15 Kaiaren, because he popped one every time he did a turn in. I believe that if true form is up, you don't need to do the turn in to mad form of kaiaren, but regardless, mad kaiaren should not be eating your celestial fist (book), especially if he answered your hails and the dialogue for you at lvl 32, for me at lvl 35.

[Fazlazen]

I was doing the final turn ins with book of the celestial fist and fang, and both were eaten.

If you gave Kaiaren (either forms of Kaiaren) the items called "book of celestial fists" and the demons fang, then yes, there is a bug.

However, many people go through the quest too fast and dont recognize that there are 2 different versions of the book, and hand in the fang with the first book you get called simply "celestial fist". This is user mistake.

[nilbog]

I really wasn't sure what the minimum level requirement was. I thought it was 50, but then I saw somewhere it was confirmed that it is not a lvl 50 requirement (someone mentioned they did it at 48) so I just assumed it could be done since I did not have any problems with the hand-ins at any other parts.

Can we get some research done on minimum level required for monk epic?

Currently it is written to require 46 or higher. Classically, if the user level was irrelevant, I will reimburse based on this information.

Additionally, pending update, the true or mad forms of Kaiaren will reward the epic.

I will also reimburse if items were lost due to this being incorrect. Give me some time, and bump your reimbursement petitions once per day till I get it sorted out.

Thanks.

[tekniq]

Thank you Nilbog, much appreciated.

I did a little research on ZAM & monkly business, and it says it can be completed at any level

http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10489&highlight=monk+epic
http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8028&highlight=monk+epic

here's some SS from the thread if you don't want to read through.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/sonman/monk2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/sonman/monk3.jpg

[tekniq]

bump for nilbog.

[kanras]

Removed level requirements, pending update.

[Lostprophets]

this is all great news.

Thx Nilbog/Kanras :)

[tekniq]

yes much appreciated. hopefully i get my reimbursement before the patch hits!

[wpwalker1]

Has this been updated now so that I can turn in my book and fangs to the one next to seb?

[diplo]

yea has been fixed a few months ago.

[anthony210]

I just did this and he ate my Demon Fangs, turned in Book of the Celestial Fists and Demon Fang to mad Kaiaren next to Seb. He returned the book and ate the fangs. No epic.