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Itap
12-13-2012, 06:23 PM
Currently, Runed Bone Fork is Primary, Secondary, and Ranged.

The "Ranged" slot wasnt added until Luclin. 1/23/2002

Runed Bone Fork is now equippable primary, secondary and ranged. The "range" value has been removed to prevent people from accidentally throwing them http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020123.html

Dentalplan
12-13-2012, 06:32 PM
It was always range slot usable. The patch you quoted made it usable in secondary, and took out the ranged value so you couldn't throw it by accident.

Massive Marc
12-13-2012, 06:33 PM
^^ 100% used Fork in range during classic on live.

Ele
12-13-2012, 06:34 PM
More research is required for this item. The postings on Zam indicate that this item was originally range equipable, but had a Range: 50 attribute which means you could throw it.

The above mentioned patch removed that attribute, but did not suddenly add range slot equipable to RBF.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=641

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/6/d/6d8f8cd135c29206f196c0400a871d99.png

Feb 02 2001: Very good resistances for ranged. I got one in Upper Guk the other day and carried it around for awhile until I happened to click on the auto equip area while shuffling items around and it landed in the ranged slot. Very nice. Just don't throw it.

Feb 02 2001: I just got this weapon the other night, this is great for my ranged slot

Mar 18 2001: Ok, I understand what the Ranged slot is and all that but if i decide to use this weapon from a distance, i lose it?? Is that correct??

Apr 03 2001: if you throw this weapon you will lose it for good. kinda sucks but thats just the way it is.

Comment 2 days after the above patch:

Jan 25 2002: Just FYI: This is no longer a problem. They removed the Range attribute, this can still be equipped in the RANGE slot but cannot be thrown.

Itap
12-13-2012, 06:36 PM
I see, sorry for the waste of time guys :(

Please delete thread mods

Ele
12-13-2012, 06:40 PM
I see, sorry for the waste of time guys :(

Please delete thread mods

Shouldn't delete the thread and don't feel bad about making the report. We need more people making reports, so we can make the server more correct!

This report actually raises a good issue, because Runed Bone Fork, as currently implemented on P99 is incorrect.

Right now it is implemented as Range, Primary, Secondary. Without a range attribute.

This should be corrected to Range: 50 and removal of Secondary, based on the above comments.

Itap
12-13-2012, 06:53 PM
Thanks for your patience/understanding Ele. I've created another thread regarding Kylong armor, if you would like to take a look. Any help with my research is appreciated!

Ele
01-28-2013, 12:38 PM
Right now it is implemented as Range, Primary, Secondary. Without a range attribute.

This should be corrected to Range: 50 and removal of Secondary, based on the above comments.

bump

Should have range value of 50 for life of server and removal of secondary.

Heebo
01-28-2013, 01:06 PM
I remember being terrified of accidentally throwing my stat range items on live. I'm sure there's lots of other items equipable in range that you should be able to throw.

Raavak
01-28-2013, 01:22 PM
I remember being terrified of accidentally throwing my stat range items on live.

Now that's classic.

nilbog
01-29-2013, 04:30 PM
Fixed, pending update.

Range: 50

Nirgon
01-29-2013, 04:31 PM
ETA on that update broski? Lot of fixes pendin'.

PS -- The helm visor fix is f'ing A grade, witnessed personally and very immersive.

Froglok
01-29-2013, 04:46 PM
I remember being terrified of accidentally throwing my stat range items on live. I'm sure there's lots of other items equipable in range that you should be able to throw.

nilbog
01-29-2013, 05:13 PM
Ok comrades lets do this :x

http://web.archive.org/web/20020421204718im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics/Thexmall.jpg

Thex Mallet 40.

Writing a query for.. everything primary or secondary that can fit in range, but has a current 0 range. Then I'll post that list for review.

Ele
01-29-2013, 05:17 PM
Ok comrades lets do this :x

http://web.archive.org/web/20020421204718im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics/Thexmall.jpg

Thex Mallet 40.

Writing a query for.. everything primary or secondary that can fit in range, but has a current 0 range. Then I'll post that list for review.

Big things coming. Autobots roll out!

Ele
01-29-2013, 05:20 PM
http://i.imgur.com/jWTtDXF.png

Based on the wiki entry Thex Dagger needs range 40, don't have one readily available in game. Also non-magic?

nilbog
01-29-2013, 05:30 PM
select id,`name`,slots,`range`,itemtype from items where (`range` = 0) AND
(slots = slots | 2048) and itemtype in (0,1,2,3,4,7)5057 Wurmslayer 26624 0 0
5140 Iron Cudgel of the Petitioner 10240 0 3
5145 Iron Cudgel of the Channeler 10240 0 3
5146 Iron Cudgel of the Hierophant 10240 0 3
5148 SkyIron Cudgel of the Arisen 10240 0 3
5149 Skyiron Cudgel of the Ancients 10240 0 3
5719 Di'zok Wristsnapper 26624 0 3
5731 Sarnak Devastator 10240 0 3
5737 Writ of Di`zok 10240 0 3
5754 Fester 26624 0 2
5759 Sarnak Summoner`s Dagger 10240 0 2
5764 Darksight Dagger 10240 0 2
5774 Boneshear 10240 0 2
5788 Chillwinter 10240 0 2
5816 Sarnak Backstabber 26624 0 2
6028 Gavel of Justice 26624 0 3
6204 Rod of Annihilation 10240 0 3
6225 Glugug's Runed Shim 26624 0 2
6228 Mace of the Templars 26624 0 3
6757 Spear of Foresight 10240 0 2
6838 A Very Rusty Dagger 26624 0 2
7051 Darksea Harpoon 10240 0 2
7205 Spear of Constriction 10240 0 2
7211 Howling Harpoon 10240 0 2
7217 Obulus Ritual Spear 10240 0 2
7223 Slime Coated Harpoon 10240 0 2
7229 Beetle stinger 10240 0 2
7235 Goblin Parrying Spear 10240 0 2
7241 Spear of Mortification 10240 0 2
7247 Warpainted Spear 10240 0 2
7506 Jagged Diamond Dagger 26624 0 2
7507 Shrieking Ahlspiess 26624 0 2
8101 Pine Shaft Pike 26624 0 2
8724 Ancient Burrower Spine 26624 0 2
11057 Ragebringer 26624 0 2
11906 Sarnak Ceremonial Dagger 26624 0 2
13353 Thex Dagger 26624 0 2
13390 Thex Mallet 26624 0 3
13942 Dragoon Dirk 26624 0 2
21889 Ornate Sceptre 10240 0 3
24773 Bejeweled Dagger of Summoning 10240 0 2
25051 Dark Spear of Venom 10240 0 2
25285 Crystalline Spider Fang 26624 0 2
26000 Paebala Fetish 10240 0 3
26561 Akhevan Shadow Shears 10240 0 2
26562 Hammer of the Ironfrost 10240 0 3
27936 A Battered Stein 26624 0 3
27949 Scalecracker 10240 0 4
28812 Righteousness 10240 0 3
28819 Iceshatter 10240 0 3
28820 Willful Dirk of Domination 10240 0 2
28821 Mindpuncture 10240 0 2
28836 Hammer of the Sun 10240 0 3
28837 Scimitar of Oak 10240 0 0
28838 Sporecaller 10240 0 4
28840 Memory 10240 0 3
28842 Harnessed Flame Dirk 10240 0 2
28843 Bonecurse 10240 0 2
28852 Bone of Bertoxxulous 10240 0 4
28857 Dagger of Entrapment 10240 0 2
29206 Shaded Torch 26624 0 3
29268 Purified Crystal Dagger 26624 0 2
29335 Cryptmasters Dart 10240 0 2
29606 Lath Drinor 26624 0 2
30052 Rune Shafted Harpoon 10240 0 2
30637 Gor 2048 0 7 <-broken on live. ranged with no range value.
31205 Thunder Runed War Spear 10240 0 2
31210 Thunder Runed Dagger 10240 0 2
31224 Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance 26624 0 2
31301 Vyemm's Fang 26624 0 2
31349 Silver Dagger of Destruction 10240 0 2
31392 Ikatiar's Stinger 26624 0 2
31469 Serrated Dragon Tooth 26624 0 2
32146 Akhevan sacrificial dagger 10240 0 2
32170 Hunter's Pike 10496 0 2
32171 Ans Xundrau xi Tekar 26624 0 2
32172 Kel Xundrau xi Tekar 26624 0 2
32189 Dragen's Runed War Spear 10496 0 2
34129 Fabled Akhevan Shadow Shears 10240 0 2
34148 Fabled Mindpuncture 10240 0 2
38059 Rogue Primary (Test) 26624 0 2
38292 Enchanter Range (Test) 10240 0 2
46072 Fabled Ikatiar's Stinger 26624 0 2
52001 Bloodneedle 26624 0 2
52111 Phosphorescent Bile 10240 0 0
52112 Unlit Ornate Beacon 10240 0 0
52122 Lodestar 10240 0 4
55226 Petrified Fiend Spine 26624 0 3
55230 Hammer of Solar Flares 10240 0 3
61205 Shai`Din Ceremonial Dagger 10240 0 2
68283 Fabled Thex Mallet 26624 0 3
68284 Fabled Dragoon Dirk 26624 0 2
69421 Aged Spear of Constriction 10240 0 2
69467 Fiddletinks' Spinzaflobberator 14336 0 3
86345 Broken Corathus Spear 2048 0 2
97732 Envenomed Athame 26624 0 2

Ele
01-29-2013, 05:35 PM
Dragoon Dirk Range 40

http://i.imgur.com/sZwLuLZ.png

Itap
01-29-2013, 05:40 PM
Ill help with this, glad i got this started!

maximum
01-29-2013, 06:27 PM
I remember being terrified of accidentally throwing my stat range items on live. I'm sure there's lots of other items equipable in range that you should be able to throw.

Is this Range Distance stat only cosmetic? More to the point, does anyone have first-hand experience of accidentally throwing one of these items?

I do not recall ever throwing my Fork, even when hitting the Range Attack button.

Nirgon
01-29-2013, 06:48 PM
I threw a sarnak ceremonial dagger on live to prevent a camp out

nilbog
01-30-2013, 07:52 AM
Highlighting individually in post 17 (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=830058&postcount=17) which have been verified. red = complete. grey = non classic/non issue

iron cudgel of the prophet - 40 http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics12/Iron_Cudgel_Prophet.JPG

iron cudgel of the clairvoyant - 40 https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROluGyO6OEJ1ylOsxfOaZCJ6xALEZIl z6qS0eqpojK_pOdP7iDPgW3rVg


iron cudgel of the mystic - 40 http://zam.zamimg.com/images/6/5/65e9480ac23f8411f2513e729bd10dc6.png

nilbog
04-02-2013, 03:58 PM
^ Bump, anyone wishing to help finalize this list, please refer to post 17.

Itap
04-02-2013, 04:33 PM
Silver Dagger of Destruction

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6864

True that it can go in range, but since it doesn't have a range amount (ie distance), it can't be thrown accidentally.

Darksea Harpoon

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/9/5/957741285be0abca75feae781c474a8f.png

Howling Harpoon

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=751

This one is being difficult. Couple comments from ~ Jun 2002

Some time ago this weapon had its range value removed so it cannot be thrown now. Its one of the nicer range items a shaman can get.

and Oct 2001

Regards having an expensive wep in the range slot an throwing it by accident....don't have a macro made for the range weapon and you cannot throw it! that simple.)

Will update this post as I do more research

Xadion
04-04-2013, 10:11 AM
I threw mine once about a week after I got the damn thing, so I re camped it and while doing so discovered the summoner potion...was an adventure all around!

nilbog
01-26-2014, 11:42 AM
Added Darksea Harpoon's range, pending update.

This is an unfinished project; reopened thread.

Aeolwind
01-26-2014, 03:16 PM
Not a current issue, but Serrated Dragon Tooth did not have range values, but could be thrown. Nyllith used his SDT to pull Dozekar once and maybe twice before it got fixed.

Sarius
01-26-2014, 03:22 PM
Couldn't idols be thrown as well? I could be way off, but I think I remember totem of the warrior spirit and/or idol of the throned being launchable