Amulet of Planar Transference

[alsa]

Amulet of Planar Transference is listed as the rechargeable item for wizard in sky. However I did Wizard Test of Visualization the neck i got in return is named Amulet of the void.

I tried all 5 mana batteries and cannot recharge.

Also, I jumped with box of void, it suppose to disappear once you leave sky like keys, but it stay on me.

[Ele]

This on red or blue?

[nilbog]

Also, I jumped with box of void, it suppose to disappear once you leave sky like keys, but it stay on me.

For sure? It's consumed on a successful recharge.

[Argentate]

Upon some further research I noticed the problem...

The version at our current timeline should be Amulet of Planar Transference, it was later buffed and renamed to Amulet of the Void, with slightly better stats.

I am still trying to find the exact date of this change... digging patch notes now.

[alsa]

This on red or blue?

On blue.

[alsa]

so what will happen? Current Amulet of void gets to swtich to Amulet of Planar Transference and rechargeable? or they stay Amulet of Void and rechargeable or they stay Amulet of void and not rechargeable?

[Blastman]

I also got Amulet of the void and have tried all 5 mana battery's and none of them worked. On blue

[Lostprophets]

Amulet of Planar Transference uses Class 5 to recharge, why on earth wouldn't Amulet of the Void?

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# Aug 23 2008 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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The Amulet of the Void can be recharged in a Box of the Void with a Class 5 Mana battery both of which can be bought from the Key Master on the first Island.


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=59498


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# Apr 30 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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This item is now called Amulet of the Void.

The clicky uses no reagent and its a class 5 battery + box to recharge.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1194

I realize these two dates don't add up here, but honestly.. I'm stumped to find anything else on these.

[nilbog]

Amulet of Planar Transference uses Class 5 to recharge, why on earth wouldn't Amulet of the Void?




http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=59498




http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1194

I realize these two dates don't add up here, but honestly.. I'm stumped to find anything else on these.

These are good links. Ultimately I was wanting was something like this showing that the newer versions could be recharged with the same components as the old ones.

Will need to get a list of old items vs. new items, and then I can create the combines for them. If someone wants to make that list, that will help me out.

[alsa]

I can't find any post to show that the newer version is rechargeable because we have very little data and often people still using the old name without knowing it's changed.

But in the same time there are no post about new version cannot be recharged. It's a upgrade, without any information that it cannot be recharged. It's safe to assume that the new version is rechargeable. And it's about the only useful wizard piece in sky.

[Handpartytowel]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/recipe.html?recipe=48281
--tradeskill recipie for recharging amulet of the void on ZAM

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1194
"Actually it can be re-charged....and btw it is an INSTANT cast evac...you will never die with this thing.
I believe it is 75pp to recharge it, it is recharged in Air"
-- apr 2001, referring to 'amulet of planar transference'

"This item is now called Amulet of the Void.
The clicky uses no reagent and its a class 5 battery + box to recharge."
--apr 2005

seems like transference is the original item. its stats and name were at some point changed slightly, and both versions were always able to be recharged by combining with class 5 battery in box of void.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=14556
--from lucy data,
--the identify message on the item indicates class 5. this is the battery used to recharge.

Amulet of Planar Transference
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: NECK
Charges: 1
AC: 2
DEX: +5 CHA: +2 AGI: +5 MANA: +50
Effect: Alter Plane Sky (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: Instant) at Level 45
WT: 0.1 Size: TINY
Class: WIZ
Race: ALL


Item Lore Amulet of Planar Transference - Class 5

[Buriedpast]

Bump for this.

Seems void is not rechargable when planar transferrence is ans has been for a while.

[Jaxon]

I was browsing Graffe and came across this, posted Dec 29 2001(25 days after Luclin release):

https://web.archive.org/web/20020108054207/http://pub23.ezboard.com/fgraffeswizardcompilationfrm1.showMessage?topicID= 10844.topic

OLD Sky quest items can be charged, not the new ones.

Evidence that the revamped items will never be rechargeable on our timeline.

[danceparty]

I was browsing Graffe and came across this, posted Dec 29 2001(25 days after Luclin release):

https://web.archive.org/web/20020108054207/http://pub23.ezboard.com/fgraffeswizardcompilationfrm1.showMessage?topicID= 10844.topic



Evidence that the revamped items will never be rechargeable on our timeline.


this link is referring to vendor recharging and not evidence that this amulet would not recharge with a mana battery.

Nilbog these links give us several instances of people talking about recharging the upgraded neck using a class five mana battery. Is this still being reviewed?

if the classic timeline did take re-charging away on this neck, it seems that we would see a lot more comments and a lot more flames. should recharge imo.

[Jaxon]

this link is referring to vendor recharging and not evidence that this amulet would not recharge with a mana battery.

So he was saying that he could vendor recharge the old no drop sky items, but not the new no drop sky items? There are posts in the thread about vendor recharging, but when talking about sky the implied method of recharging is obviously mana batteries.

[Daldaen]

New Sky items should be rechargeable. The FD Sky ring certainly was, and remains to this day, rechargeable on live. I'm sure the rest do too.

[Erati]

These are good links. Ultimately I was wanting was something like this showing that the newer versions could be recharged with the same components as the old ones.

Will need to get a list of old items vs. new items, and then I can create the combines for them. If someone wants to make that list, that will help me out.

this was in Nov 2013.... did no one make Bog's list for him....??

[alsa]

bumb, please don't forget this.

[wycca]

Bumping this with my research to support it being able to be recharged after it was changed to Amulet of the Void (as Nilbog requested).

Magelo-
Magelo item link - http://eq.magelo.com/item/27710

Initial Entry of - 4/7/02

So by April of 2002, it was definitely in-game. Course, we all knew that.

Alla's Evidence -
Alla comments - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1194

April 30th, 2005 (comment by Pan, 2nd down) - "This item is now called Amulet of the Void.

The clicky uses no reagent and its a class 5 battery + box to recharge."

August 23rd, 2008 (comment by primaldreams, 1st down) - "The Amulet of the Void can be recharged in a Box of the Void with a Class 5 Mana battery both of which can be bought from the Key Master on the first Island."

PoSky Guide Commentary -
There's this - http://mysite.verizon.net/drexxell/eq/planeofsky.html
He states, "At this time, there are only three known ways for players to enter the Plane of Sky:"...."Have a wizard who has an Amulet of Planar Transference (Name changed to "Amulet of the Void" sometime between 2001 and 2005) use it to take you to Sky."

You would think that they would mention if the item only had 1 charge and was not rechargable.

Graffe's Posts -
Found here - http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?10962-Inhabitants-of-Sky-faction&highlight=amulet+of+the+void

Nov 19, 2003 @ 4:32p post #18 by Celebairn, "I still use carry one of my quest items from Sky all the time and use it... that's my Amulet of the Void. It's an insta-cast 1-charge clicky Alter Plane: Sky item that uses no portal stone, and can be recharged at the Keymaster on isle 1 for 53p."

There IS a counterpoint by the next post, post #19, by Qaladar Bragollach, "I thought they changed all the quests and the items are no longer rechargeable unless you got said item before the change."

However, Celebairn answers that in post #23, "As far as I know, all the rechargeable stuff is still rechargeable. Rechargeability was broken on some stuff from time to time, and some stuff just isn't rechargeable, but both my ring and my amulet are rechargeable. On the other hand, you can ONLY recharge them with the box from the Keymaster in Sky,

Sky has had more than its fair share of brokenness for whatever reasons, but now that the npcs won't take and eat the quest items when morons think they can do the quests without talking to the npcs, everything seems pretty decent.

The main broken thing left with Sky items is that they have no aug slots, but that's kind of picky I guess, since I don't wear any of them anymore."

The bit about the aug slot bitching goes on to sorta confirm that its rechargable, since the Amulet has no aug slot to this day...and the next poster, post #24, goes on to state, "Nothing rechargable that I know of has an augment slot. Because the act of recharging involves destroying the item and replacing it with a new fully charged one. This is the case with gnome cultural plate." Ie, the sky items that have no aug slots, are that way because they're rechargeable.

Conclusion -

There isn't a ton out there about this item (its from Isle #8 in a zone that wasn't done much), but there IS enough to provide evidence that the post-upgrade version, Amulet of the Void, is rechargable with a class 5 battery AND that it required no reagent.

Thanks for reading.

PS - I haven't tried it yet, but the ring he is referring to is the Solidate Mithril Ring, if it's not, it is apparently rechargeable too.

[nilbog]

I have enough evidence here to support making the changes, but it's been so long since I've worked with these that a consolidated list would help a lot.

Something like..

name of item - class of battery required for recharge

Each one requires creating a separate recipe, and will take time.

For reference, here is the old thread where I made the current ones rechargeable.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64171

[wycca]

Thanks nilbog! In regards to a list request - do you want a list for just the items mentioned here, or for ALL sky items that may not be incorrect that we can dig up?

If the former - np! I'll do it tonight.

If the latter - the link you provided will hopefully be helpful in winnowing down what was going to be a daunting task of combing through ~100 sky items historically. It's still a daunting task, but I can start chipping away at it. Would you want links to sources as well?

[Erati]

Thanks nilbog! In regards to a list request - do you want a list for just the items mentioned here, or for ALL sky items that may not be incorrect that we can dig up?

If the former - np! I'll do it tonight.

If the latter - the link you provided will hopefully be helpful in winnowing down what was going to be a daunting task of combing through ~100 sky items historically. It's still a daunting task, but I can start chipping away at it. Would you want links to sources as well?

seems like he just wants a list of each Sky item that can be rechargeable and which mana battery it takes

[Byrjun]

I have enough evidence here to support making the changes, but it's been so long since I've worked with these that a consolidated list would help a lot.

Something like..

name of item - class of battery required for recharge

Each one requires creating a separate recipe, and will take time.

For reference, here is the old thread where I made the current ones rechargeable.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64171

Fairy-Hide Mantle - Class 3?

Currently cannot be recharged.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124013

[wycca]

I went through every single PoSky quest reward that had charges that I could find (old and new).

I put them in a google doc here with notes - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybNriJrY7-Vfv2Nw8I45FcXMDeZP_Fg6QXVMgz_P6zc/edit?usp=sharing

After reviewing everything, I only found 2 possible errors...

Amulet of the Void (subject of this thread) and the Fairy-Hide Mantle so helpfully mentioned by Byrjun.

Every other item that does not appear to be recharge friendly has an aug slot, with a single exception - the upgraded Mantle of the Songweaver. The old item, Songweaver's Mantle DOES have an aug slot. I'm assuming this is an oversight on the new item and that it is not recharge friendly. I would encourage some bards to do some digging on this to be sure - I've already spent 30min on wayback machine's EQDiva with no results though.

The Fairy-Hide Mantle is unique, it is (after fixing the Amulet of the Void) the only upgraded item that the old item is recharge friendly...and the new item (exact same clicky/charge #) is not on P99. Based on this fact, and the general pattern of how they handled sky items plus it's lack of an aug slot on both versions, I would strongly suspect that it is recharge friendly on live...and that there is just no information in regards to it. I believe it should be changed to be recharge-friendly on P99 in light of this.

I'd also like to re-reference the Nov 19, 2003 @ 4:32p post #18 by Celebairn on Graffe's (http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?10962-Inhabitants-of-Sky-faction&highlight=amulet+of+the+void) stating that the Amulet of the Void requires no reagent. I was unable to find information about other reagents (although to be fair, I didn't look forever, had enough of a headache with wayback machine on a few of these).

So here's the list of updates IMO -

Recipe: Amulet of the Void (27710) + Mana Battery - Class Five (14804) inside of Box of the Void (17100)
Recipe: Fairy-Hide Mantle (27728) + Mana Battery - Class Three (14802) inside of Box of the Void (17100)
Reagent Use: Amulet of the Void (27710) should NO LONGER require reagent: Cloudy Stone of Veeshan (10094)

[Daldaen]

Most impressive.

I'm liking the ClassicQuest lately wycca.

[Byrjun]

Thanks wycca. I made a post about the Fairy-Hide Mantle a long time ago and it received no response. It makes no sense that this one item isn't rechargeable. At the very least give me an option to obtain the Sphinx-Hide Mantle as well, since it has the same effect, same charges, and is rechargeable.

There's likely no info on it because everyone thought the clicky was useless on live. It summons a very outdated pet. I don't remember any Shamans carrying around Magician focus items to reclaim their pets like they do on P99, and I question if that's a classic mechanic but it's on P99 so I trust it. So, using the clicky as a "mana battery" just wasn't considered back in the day. There was no point in recharging it, so why try?

[nilbog]

So here's the list of updates IMO -

Recipe: Amulet of the Void (27710) + Mana Battery - Class Five (14804) inside of Box of the Void (17100)
Recipe: Fairy-Hide Mantle (27728) + Mana Battery - Class Three (14802) inside of Box of the Void (17100)

Fixed, pending update

Reagent Use: Amulet of the Void (27710) should NO LONGER require reagent: Cloudy Stone of Veeshan (10094)
Not sure on this. Looking through an older thread here: (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31499)

Amulet of Planar Transference: IEffect=0.0 Rgt=True Csf=True Cot=FalseThat seems to indicate it should require a reagent. Also, bump for that thread.

[Daldaen]

Didn't think the reclaim energy clicky was Classic either but there are a few posts in era claiming it was. Although I think that was changed at some point because those items now says "can equip" as a requirement for their clicking, just like Mask of Deception does (which is what separates it from Guise, meaning you must be the correct class to even click).

But it's pretty tough to prove whenever that change occurred. But it sounds like it was shaman clickable up through Velious

[Daldaen]

Argument on no reagent is based off this quote I think:

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#Apr 30 2005 at 1:28 PMRating: Decent
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This item is now called Amulet of the Void.

The clicky uses no reagent and its a class 5 battery + box to recharge.
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[wycca]

Correct, I never found any indication that they removed the reagent requirement from Amulet of Planar Transference.

There is the quote I linked from Graffe's and the quote Daldaen linked state that Amulet of the Void did not use a reagent, however.

[Nefarum]

Amulet of the Void still requires a reagent. Any update on whether this will change, or is more evidence needed?