if I find some forum-safe cliffs that would be moderator approved I'll post them.

I don't care to self-censor so I won't be writing any myself.

Discussion of the topic is largely banned, and for good reason.

yaw cept kunark was actually chill n fun expac.

goog textures and lush environments, no gay wasteland to save developer time with poorly designed dungeons (massive shitholes with vaunted ceilings 100 feet high in every single meaningful zone so big you don't need any textures or have to design anything (TOV ITS JUST REALLY FUCKIN BIG MAN THERES DRAGONS HERE ITS SO FUCKING BIG WE DONT NEED ANY ART LOL!!!).

skyshrine design was ok in theory but mobs and itemization was shit. concept was shit. level range also shit. implementation shit. waste of a possible seb 2.0.

Kael drakkel, the one saving grace of Velious along with ring war and Dain.

Icewell, completely wasted concept. Unfinished design, unused, not itemized.

don't know what to tell you pal. kunark is a superior expac too much to list.

Interesting zones like PoG were flawed design. PoG should have been a sister zone to PoM, as in, not a huge green field pit of 10000 mobs. Again, lazy, slothful, shit design.

Yep I quit shortly after Velious release in Classic.

most in denial about the fact Velious is half-finished and subpar.

u ever peep the zone in hallway? mad art goin on in there dawg

Alright TOV criticism probably not a good starting point at all when talking velious flaws. Esp for the year it was released. I get its unfair to put it up against post-classic era.

But if you compare it zone-for-zone to Kunark, it leaves much to be desired.

They worked hard on that Necropolis zone in. I heard it was so hard to place those 4 traps at entrance they just said fuck it

Veeshans peak is my favorite zone

Skyshrine or ToFS the best

fuckin SEEEEAACK

ToFS was great, but where is the ToFS of the end-game? Or a TOFS with meaningful end-game camps?

Velious is cool, but you are out of your mind if you think it didn't need polish compared to the cohesive gem that was Kunark.

Kunark kicks more neck pound for pound.

ToFS on this server was a great way to log off without a choice