[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.

My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.

If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.