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Old 12-16-2009, 04:55 PM
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-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen 5 hours early and claimed Nagafen. Proving that they were willing to operate under the system as long as it benefited them.
-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen after Trans had been there for 14 hours early. Also missing the fact that you guys decided that the system that you guys were operating under should no longer apply to you.

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At no point in that pile of nonsense was there ever word to me about a rotation being enforced.
When it became apparent that you guys were unable to co-exist we decided that something had to be done. It was decided that the only fair way to handle it was to ensure that both guilds split everything 50:50. So that meant that a rotation would be going in.

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I don't know who were the ones QQing and whining to you, but it certainly wasn't IB.
I heard plenty of whining from IB when Trans started showing up 8++ Hours in advance for a spawn. In fact, that was the entire reason you guys decided you didn't want to follow the system anymore. You guys decided that the rules didn't apply to you anymore and wanted to just "engage first." You decided you wanted to write the server rules, sorry that isn't going to fly.

The implementation of the rotation solved two issues:
1) No longer need to show up 14 hours in advance.
2) No longer afraid of another guild rushing your target and KSing you.

The only way to get you guys to abide by these rules is with some form of leverage. That leverage was a 14-day ban. Ever since the rotation was announced, I have been very clear that we would be open to further suggestions and systems that people wanted to propose. Up until today the only suggestions we have really been told were, "Who ever engages first and does the most damage should get it!" Uhhh. Ya. No.

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It seems to me that rather than dealing with the problem properly, you gave into people whining about not getting content handed to them.
Not at all. I feel the rotation fixed both of the gripes that both sides had. (See Above)

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It seems to me that rather than dealing with the problem properly, you gave into people whining about not getting content handed to them.
First of all, don't assume your opinion is the only answer. Second of all we came up with a system that fixed both of the major issues that both sides were having. We are a PVE server, we need some form of order here on this server. It sounds to me like you have a severe case of PVP-Mentality. As far as I know, VZ/TZ is doing a fresh wipe. I suggest you guys check it out because your ethics aren't going to fly here. KSing, not respecting camps and not respecting your fellow players are not viable options here.

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If you left it to the guilds, it would always be a competition for mobs; first prepared and first to engage.
No. If I left it up to the guilds, and your "first to engage" system, we would have 50-60 people sitting on top of Naggy's spawn point. With no one sure who really tagged it first. Then when it is all said and done, it turns out one Guild KS'd the other, you call for a GM to come revoke and re-distribute the loot dropped. Seriously dude, if you think everything would be roses; you are dead wrong.

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I don't understand why the rotation was such a priority. We had shown good faith when we dealt with Lady Vox during the DDOS.
Yet you showed such bad faith when you attempted to go outside the current system and basically told me directly that you didn't care and that the guilds were "even." That is the thing about a system. If you start following it, you have to keep following it. Unfortunately you decided (as a guild apparently) that it was alright to go outside of the system that both guilds had been following for a few weeks because it no longer benefited you. That is why the rotation went into place. We need some form of order.

Want to know why the rotation was a priority? I have had a rather peaceful week and a half because there was no fighting over the spawns. There was no one asking me to come watch the raid and make sure nothing shady happened. I don't even know who has been killing what. That is how it should be. If it is FFA, it CAN'T be like that.

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On the other hand, there has been documented proof presented of Allizia and Tibador exploiting after specifically being warned about the Phinny pull. Then, on top of that, not fixing an obviously broken Vox before they downed her.
What does this have to do with the rotation?

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Rather than giving it time to play out and see where it would lead, we've had to watch the GM's waste huge amounts of their time developing a very poor rotation which we are forced to follow for fear of a 14 day ban.
Lol? Rather than giving it time to play out? We gave it probably three weeks or more. What more do you want? I had enough of asking you guys to play nice. Both parties have acted like complete children at one point or another. I guess this is your guys' turn to wear the tin foil hat. Enjoy it while you can, it seems to change heads quite quickly on this server.

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Please focus on the server, the broken content, and those who are exploiting it rather than the guild drama that is extremely one sided.
I will. With the rotation in place, perhaps I will actually have time to look at issues at hand instead of babysitting you guys every few nights whenever a mob spawns.

It is really getting old. You have a chance to get rid of the rotation. You have a chance to help develop a system that we feel is fair. Grasp that chance. Embrace it. Make it the best you can that emphasizes competition and fairness.