Claw of Lightning or Rogue Epic for offhand?

[zelld52]

You will gain more DPS by just wearing the +40 ATK in your offhand rather than swapping it in for backstabs. +40 attack is a gigantic increase in attack. Only time not to wear the rogue epic is on lower level mobs.

[kjs86z2]

and on lower level mobs who cares

just use your damn epic

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really! Wow so the ragebringer is totally worth getting it sounds like. So what would Ragebringer primary, Vyemm's Fang secondary bring?!

There's 3 points of comparison when evaluating a rogue mainhand. DMG, ratio, and delay. DMG determines maximum backstab cap. Higher is better. Ratio (dmg/del) determines average damage over time with melee swings. Higher is better. Delay determines how often the damage bonus is applied with melee swings. Lower is better.

Vyemm's Fang: It has a moderately high backstab value (13), very high ratio (0.764), and very low delay (17). Grade: B / S / S

Ragebringer: It has a very high backstab value (15), moderately high ratio (0.600), and very high delay (25). Grade: S / B / D

Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance: It has a very high backstab value (15), very high ratio (0.789), and low delay (19). Grade: S / S / A

So, in mainhand, Vyemm's Fang will vastly outperform Ragebringer in terms of melee hits and perform closely in backstabs. There's no situation where Rage mainhand makes sense in that combination. I would advise you to ignore weapon swapping for backstab advice (These people are not experienced rogues from an accredited institution) and use Mrylokar or Vyemm + Epic. Just focus on positioning, your hp, and watching for enrage.

The Rage + Claw combo got hated on by Green players, but it's what I ran on Blue and I did fine for a casual Velious raider. You want a Primal spear and the above setup for the best damage if you're a serious raider.

[Dundrige]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's 3 points of comparison when evaluating a rogue mainhand. DMG, ratio, and delay. DMG determines maximum backstab cap. Higher is better. Ratio (dmg/del) determines average damage over time with melee swings. Higher is better. Delay determines how often the damage bonus is applied with melee swings. Lower is better.

Vyemm's Fang: It has a moderately high backstab value (13), very high ratio (0.764), and very low delay (17). Grade: B / S / S

Ragebringer: It has a very high backstab value (15), moderately high ratio (0.600), and very high delay (25). Grade: S / B / D

Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance: It has a very high backstab value (15), very high ratio (0.789), and low delay (19). Grade: S / S / A

So, in mainhand, Vyemm's Fang will vastly outperform Ragebringer in terms of melee hits and perform closely in backstabs. There's no situation where Rage mainhand makes sense in that combination. I would advise you to ignore weapon swapping for backstab advice (These people are not experienced rogues from an accredited institution) and use Mrylokar or Vyemm + Epic. Just focus on positioning, your hp, and watching for enrage.

The Rage + Claw combo got hated on by Green players, but it's what I ran on Blue and I did fine for a casual Velious raider. You want a Primal spear and the above setup for the best damage if you're a serious raider.

One last question...

Another item I've been looking at for my secondary is Braid of Golden Hair since they go pretty cheap... So Vyemm Fang + Braid of Golden Hair. Would that be better or worse than Vyemm Fang + Epic?

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One last question...

Another item I've been looking at for my secondary is Braid of Golden Hair since they go pretty cheap... So Vyemm Fang + Braid of Golden Hair. Would that be better or worse than Vyemm Fang + Epic?

Worse. Braid does not have +40 Attack, despite a better ratio - its still offhand so you dont get a swing each round anyway.

Experienced rogues always tell people to keep the epic equipped in offhand permanently because it has a stackable, worn 40 attack on it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One last question...

Another item I've been looking at for my secondary is Braid of Golden Hair since they go pretty cheap... So Vyemm Fang + Braid of Golden Hair. Would that be better or worse than Vyemm Fang + Epic?

Braid offhand will probably be worse due to the loss of the +40 ATK from Ragebringer, assuming the DoT from Braid is resisted. My DPS calculator shows a loss of 2 or 3 DPS without the DoT compared to Ragebringer in offhand. With the the DoT it makes up for that loss. I wouldn't rely on the DoT, especially when raiding.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One last question...

Another item I've been looking at for my secondary is Braid of Golden Hair since they go pretty cheap... So Vyemm Fang + Braid of Golden Hair. Would that be better or worse than Vyemm Fang + Epic?

They go cheaply for a reason. It's kinda neat, but not really practical for a rogue offhand. Your epic's +40 ATK boosts everything on both hands and backstabs.