can you skill up research via combine?

[korilla]

i've heard conflicting reports. those who said yes though didn't confirm by experience.

[Obrae]

You probably can as a necro/mage/enchanter.

Since magician words and components drop about 1/1000 of rhese other class, i don’t thibk it would be viable but technically, i guess you can.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since magician words and components drop about 1/1000 of rhese other class

I haven’t seen the drop tables in about 8 years, but the likelihood they have changed is pretty low. Project 1999 has been running for 10 years without people complaining about drops rates. You are (potentially) spreading such misinformation it is gross. I have been seeing lots of people selling research components in auction in the zones I am leveling in, including magician pet research. You guys just think that you should be able to kill 4 mobs and get your 4 specific research pieces immediately. The reality is that research is set up so that ALL research classes have their components dropping. You need to be trading/selling with your fellow casters. Most people are adapting. Why aren’t you?

This entire bottleneck of research components is bound to happen at a server launch. You have a massive amount of people all trying to get a few random drops at the same time. They are gonna be snatched up at vendors, snatched up in auction. People are going to hoard them even if they don’t need them. Hell there are 10 other classes that are more likely to let them rot, or even destroy them because it doesn’t pertain to their class. You need to (god have mercy) make friends and be loud. Make it known you are looking for and paying for these pieces. Stop complaining on the forums about something that is very unlikely to be broken. this has been implemented, functional, and working for 10 years. I very much doubt that someone went in and screwed magicians randomly in the days leading up to the lunch by removing magician research pieces.

Granted apparently some vendor pets were removed and there was no recipes for those pets removed which created an unfortunate bottleneck given the magician research mechanic.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven’t seen the drop tables in about 8 years, but the likelihood they have changed is pretty low. Project 1999 has been running for 10 years without people complaining about drops rates. You are (potentially) spreading such misinformation it is gross. I have been seeing lots of people selling research components in auction in the zones I am leveling in, including magician pet research. You guys just think that you should be able to kill 4 mobs and get your 4 specific research pieces immediately. The reality is that research is set up so that ALL research classes have their components dropping. You need to be trading/selling with your fellow casters. Most people are adapting. Why aren’t you?

This entire bottleneck of research components is bound to happen at a server launch. You have a massive amount of people all trying to get a few random drops at the same time. They are gonna be snatched up at vendors, snatched up in auction. People are going to hoard them even if they don’t need them. Hell there are 10 other classes that are more likely to let them rot, or even destroy them because it doesn’t pertain to their class. You need to (god have mercy) make friends and be loud. Make it known you are looking for and paying for these pieces. Stop complaining on the forums about something that is very unlikely to be broken. this has been implemented, functional, and working for 10 years. I very much doubt that someone went in and screwed magicians randomly in the days leading up to the lunch by removing magician research pieces.

Granted apparently some vendor pets were removed and there was no recipes for those pets removed which created an unfortunate bottleneck given the magician research mechanic.

I am 31 and have seen exactly 2 words of dimension drop and 0 words of Coercion. Dimension are sold for usually 75 - 100pp and coercion 200 - 450pp (on a brand new server...), when you can find them for sale. These prices far exceed any other class’ research components by a huge margin. Each Magician pet requires the last pet to make, so the entire process repeats and gets worse with every level. If you fail a combine you start all over again.

[korilla]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven’t seen the drop tables in about 8 years, but the likelihood they have changed is pretty low. Project 1999 has been running for 10 years without people complaining about drops rates. You are (potentially) spreading such misinformation it is gross. I have been seeing lots of people selling research components in auction in the zones I am leveling in, including magician pet research. You guys just think that you should be able to kill 4 mobs and get your 4 specific research pieces immediately. The reality is that research is set up so that ALL research classes have their components dropping. You need to be trading/selling with your fellow casters. Most people are adapting. Why aren’t you?

This entire bottleneck of research components is bound to happen at a server launch. You have a massive amount of people all trying to get a few random drops at the same time. They are gonna be snatched up at vendors, snatched up in auction. People are going to hoard them even if they don’t need them. Hell there are 10 other classes that are more likely to let them rot, or even destroy them because it doesn’t pertain to their class. You need to (god have mercy) make friends and be loud. Make it known you are looking for and paying for these pieces. Stop complaining on the forums about something that is very unlikely to be broken. this has been implemented, functional, and working for 10 years. I very much doubt that someone went in and screwed magicians randomly in the days leading up to the lunch by removing magician research pieces.

Granted apparently some vendor pets were removed and there was no recipes for those pets removed which created an unfortunate bottleneck given the magician research mechanic.

but can you skill up research via combines though? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven’t seen the drop tables in about 8 years, but the likelihood they have changed is pretty low. Project 1999 has been running for 10 years without people complaining about drops rates. You are (potentially) spreading such misinformation it is gross. I have been seeing lots of people selling research components in auction in the zones I am leveling in, including magician pet research. You guys just think that you should be able to kill 4 mobs and get your 4 specific research pieces immediately. The reality is that research is set up so that ALL research classes have their components dropping. You need to be trading/selling with your fellow casters. Most people are adapting. Why aren’t you?

This entire bottleneck of research components is bound to happen at a server launch. You have a massive amount of people all trying to get a few random drops at the same time. They are gonna be snatched up at vendors, snatched up in auction. People are going to hoard them even if they don’t need them. Hell there are 10 other classes that are more likely to let them rot, or even destroy them because it doesn’t pertain to their class. You need to (god have mercy) make friends and be loud. Make it known you are looking for and paying for these pieces. Stop complaining on the forums about something that is very unlikely to be broken. this has been implemented, functional, and working for 10 years. I very much doubt that someone went in and screwed magicians randomly in the days leading up to the lunch by removing magician research pieces.

Granted apparently some vendor pets were removed and there was no recipes for those pets removed which created an unfortunate bottleneck given the magician research mechanic.

1/1000 was an obvious exageration the reality is more like 1/100

By your post we know you have no clue what you are talking about. Other classes components drop so much that people who wants them fill their bags and eventually have to destroy then anyway.

So yes, mages drops are defenitly NOT the dame drop rate.
You can test it out yourself, we know cause we live this fact every day we play.

Also you see mage words for sale BECAUSE they are so rare and needed. There isnt much loot worth less that other class materials so they end up vendored or destroyed ( with some exception )

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1/1000 was an obvious exageration the reality is more like 1/100

By your post we know you have no clue what you are talking about. Other classes components drop so much that people who wants them fill their bags and eventually have to destroy then anyway.

So yes, mages drops are defenitly NOT the dame drop rate.
You can test it out yourself, we know cause we live this fact every day we play.

Also you see mage words for sale BECAUSE they are so rare and needed. There isnt much loot worth less that other class materials so they end up vendored or destroyed ( with some exception )

I made the drop tables 10 years ago. Yes, there is 10 years for changes to potentially take effect, but the likelihood is very very low that anyone would have ever touched those tables. I still have all of the original data that went into the DB from 10 years ago. I just can’t see this working for 10 years, and suddenly on green launch it is suddenly broken. It is so incredibly unlikely. If someone did make changes, that sucks; I just highly highly doubt it.

I am also pretty sure you have no idea how statistics work because you are talking about such incredibly small sample sizes and declaring them as fact, it’s pretty hilarious.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made the drop tables 10 years ago. Yes, there is 10 years for changes to potentially take effect, but the likelihood is very very low that anyone would have ever touched those tables. I still have all of the original data that went into the DB from 10 years ago. I just can’t see this working for 10 years, and suddenly on green launch it is suddenly broken. It is so incredibly unlikely. If someone did make changes, that sucks; I just highly highly doubt it.

I am also pretty sure you have no idea how statistics work because you are talking about such incredibly small sample sizes and declaring them as fact, it’s pretty hilarious.

Wenai, it’s because those materials were not needed before pets were 100% removed from merchant after 20.

Before Green i was leveling a magician on blue. I never researched a pet, just the other spells and still did not bother for most.

The hypothesis is since they fixed magician by putting pets on merchant instead of fixing the magician research that was unfinished at realesed, drops were never adjusted to the level they should have been dropping. Components drops, but words are defenetly alot rarer than other classes.

Anyway we see the light at the end of tunnel, it appears magician will be unbroken in a nesr futur.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made the drop tables 10 years ago.

The drop tables might have worked with pets on vendors, but in their current state magicians are just screwed.

I've posted before that I strongly suspect the droptables are based on having pets on merchants, due to the cumulative needs that magician research involves, but it got drowned out by the noise in the thread.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just can’t see this working for 10 years, and suddenly on green launch it is suddenly broken.

That is because for those 10 years, pets were on merchants.

I'm sure you understand given this new information.