Raid Changes

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orruar, I generally respect your posts. I've often found that when I go to post about something that you've, quite eloquently, beaten me to the punch. You're generally level headed and well spoken and I tend to agree with much of your analysis.

I must agree with Elethia that some of your recent posts have been unbecoming of you and your blanket statements very much beneath your typical style.

In general, I hate blanket statements (oh the irony!), but TMO has been a stain on this server for a while. I said the same about TR when they were around, even though I had many friends in TR. Those two guilds (and others before them) took the raiding game in this server into a shitty place, and every single member of each guild is culpable for that. I refused to join TR despite having many friends in that guild, because I could not be a part of something so shady.

Every single TMO member that was on during the famous Trakanon trains bears some responsibility, along with the TR people who were there as well. You guys knew what was going on and you stayed there to help your team, even when it was obvious both teams were in the wrong. And this wasn't some kind of isolated incident. This shit was happening a couple times a week for months on end. Any person who would keep themselves involved in such an environment is not worthy of defense.

Perhaps things have changed in the past couple months. I've been too busy to keep up with most of the happenings on the server. And with the amount of turnover TMO has, it's wholly possible that it's populated less with idiots and more with reasonable people. However, my few chance encounters with TMO groups in the past couple weeks do not indicate this to be true. You want a perfect example? A few weeks back, I came across a monk/shaman TMO duo going for pawbuster. The shaman died somehow and so I stepped in to help the monk get the kill. When I won the roll for the pipe, I let him have it anyway because he was someone I had duo'ed with back when he was in Divinity. Just minutes after he loots the pipe, I start getting hate messages from a different group of TMO saying I stole their kill. TMO are such douchebags that they send hate messages to someone who didn't get any loot and only helped one of their own guildmates. Does that seem like the kind of people you'd want to associate with? Maybe a tiger can change its stripes, but I'll wait until I see it happen before I believe it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For most people, none. But I've witnessed TMO wipe to Gorenaire with that number. I've heard plenty of stories of similar numbers on other Kunark dragons.

you wanna go there? I've seen every raid guild that has even raided the past year wipe with more than 40 on multiple targets, Noble in sky being one of them.

[stonez138]

A few weeks back, I came across a monk/shaman TMO duo going for pawbuster. The shaman died somehow and so I stepped in to help the monk get the kill. When I won the roll for the pipe, I let him have it anyway because he was someone I had duo'ed with back when he was in Divinity. Just minutes after he loots the pipe, I start getting hate messages from a different group of TMO saying I stole their kill. TMO are such douchebags that they send hate messages to someone who didn't get any loot and only helped one of their own guildmates.

In before Alarti can say "where's your proof"

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In before Alarti can say "where's your proof"

Wish I cared enough to remember every single time someone got upset about something I did and then bashed their entire guild. Every guild has sent me hate tells, even Divinity members, yet I don't think I've every bashed an entire guild for just that.

Guess every guild on project 1999 is full of douchebags.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wish I cared enough to remember every single time someone got upset about something I did and then bashed their entire guild. Every guild has sent me hate tells, even Divinity members, yet I don't think I've every bashed an entire guild for just that.

Guess every guild on project 1999 is full of douchebags.

I'm sorry, did you want me to list all 4218 instances of TMO being douchebags that I have witnessed? I was giving a recent example since I was discussing the possibility that they have changed since the shenanigans of this spring. My opinion has not been formed based on a single encounter, and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

And I'm sure you can't remember all the times you pissed someone off because you do so many douchey things in any given day that the sheer volume of information would overload the last 35 neurons you have.

[godbox]

almost 40 pages of thread in 2 days with level headed adult discussion (minus a few ppl from red / emerald dream?)
great job

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, I hate blanket statements (oh the irony!), but TMO has been a stain on this server for a while. I said the same about TR when they were around, even though I had many friends in TR. Those two guilds (and others before them) took the raiding game in this server into a shitty place, and every single member of each guild is culpable for that. I refused to join TR despite having many friends in that guild, because I could not be a part of something so shady.

Every single TMO member that was on during the famous Trakanon trains bears some responsibility, along with the TR people who were there as well. You guys knew what was going on and you stayed there to help your team, even when it was obvious both teams were in the wrong. And this wasn't some kind of isolated incident. This shit was happening a couple times a week for months on end. Any person who would keep themselves involved in such an environment is not worthy of defense.

Perhaps things have changed in the past couple months. I've been too busy to keep up with most of the happenings on the server. And with the amount of turnover TMO has, it's wholly possible that it's populated less with idiots and more with reasonable people. However, my few chance encounters with TMO groups in the past couple weeks do not indicate this to be true. You want a perfect example? A few weeks back, I came across a monk/shaman TMO duo going for pawbuster. The shaman died somehow and so I stepped in to help the monk get the kill. When I won the roll for the pipe, I let him have it anyway because he was someone I had duo'ed with back when he was in Divinity. Just minutes after he loots the pipe, I start getting hate messages from a different group of TMO saying I stole their kill. TMO are such douchebags that they send hate messages to someone who didn't get any loot and only helped one of their own guildmates. Does that seem like the kind of people you'd want to associate with? Maybe a tiger can change its stripes, but I'll wait until I see it happen before I believe it.

That was a good discussion. /flame on

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[El B]

dont turn this into a "reasons why tmo are d-bags" thread. there are plenty of them in RnF

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, did you want me to list all 4218 instances of TMO being douchebags that I have witnessed? I was giving a recent example since I was discussing the possibility that they have changed since the shenanigans of this spring. My opinion has not been formed based on a single encounter, and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

And I'm sure you can't remember all the times you pissed someone off because you do so many douchey things in any given day that the sheer volume of information would overload the last 35 neurons you have.

Yeah, from your quote, I am sure everyone can see who is the real peach to play with.

[KessonDaslef]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, did you want me to list all 4218 instances of TMO being douchebags that I have witnessed? I was giving a recent example since I was discussing the possibility that they have changed since the shenanigans of this spring. My opinion has not been formed based on a single encounter, and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

And I'm sure you can't remember all the times you pissed someone off because you do so many douchey things in any given day that the sheer volume of information would overload the last 35 neurons you have.