Raid Changes

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Times and situations change. Problem is the same on p99 its always been: the top 5% of 20+ servers congregated here to relive their glory days, and it can't really happen.

This is the key point really and always has been, although I think you are a bit off. The guys who really kicked ass the first time aren't here for the most part, its the guys who were second tier on live who want to be first tier here, and the guys who were third tier on live who want to be second tier here and so on.

Anyway I'm enjoying the A-team quite a bit (another wipe on the Overking with 7 hehe. Freaking AOE groups keeping us from pulling him to the zone, next time we're just going to train you bastards!). Instances/tokens would be great for our little guild of course since we wipe a lot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But Rogean and Nilbog are both strongly against that stuff and I think simultaneous repops are maybe even more fun anyway, they just aren't suited for small guilds pushing the PvE limits of the game. Instead its about larger guilds doing content faster.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you are wrong. The idea was directly lifted from Live. It started with Live's implementation of a level 52 cap on old world dragons, and progressed right into Velious with people camping characters outside of ToV in WW.

If people weren't buying characters, they were multi-boxing and PLing accounts themselves to camp at raid points. Nary a difference.

Maybe the very top guild on their respective servers?

My guild, who were 3rd/4th mostly, never did.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the key point really and always has been, although I think you are a bit off. The guys who really kicked ass the first time aren't here for the most part, its the guys who were second tier on live who want to be first tier here, and the guys who were third tier on live who want to be second tier here and so on.

There are some here who were "first tier" on live. They just seem to either be writing code for this server (aka Rogean) or they don't get involved in all the bs of the raid scene here. The few I know here who were among the best on live would never get involved with a raid scene where terms like "batphone" and "poopsock" are common. If terms such as "12 man trak" and "1 group royals" started to enter the lexicon, we might see a shift. The masses of zerglings here will likely prevent this change.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Rubin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what every guild on live did, but I highly doubt most had a policy of buying enough lvl 60 alts on separate accounts to double their roster ($300+ per character (that number sounds conservative)? Plus sub fees). Alts take time and effort to level, most people wouldn't have more than one 50+ and most probably did have an alt.

You and I apparently played on completely different live servers. The crowd I hung with that raided endgame consisted of many players that had upwards of six fully-geared level 60 accounts by Velious launch. Most people kept it to two or three - I only had two computers during Kunark/Velious, but I sure as shit powered a monk to 52 in less than 3 /played days (and picked up the RotWF in the same timeframe) when the old-world dragon restrictions landed - and this was with my shaman only.

Offhand, I can name a few people who would level a character to 60 in a matter of days with their clr/enc/mnk box squad simply to pass that character onto a guildmate, who would then gladly pay the monthly subscription just to have a fully-leveled rez or clarity bot parked in a raid zone.

Policy? Not the word I'd choose. Strategy, more like. P99's rules against multiboxing simply changed the strategy to selling raid drops for plat to purchase abandoned accounts.

This character parking idea isn't new, and those thinking they're onto something original here are coming off as pretty goddamn arrogant to someone who's seen this shit cycle through for the last decade.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are some here who were "first tier" on live. They just seem to either be writing code for this server (aka Rogean) or they don't get involved in all the bs of the raid scene here. The few I know here who were among the best on live would never get involved with a raid scene where terms like "batphone" and "poopsock" are common. If terms such as "12 man trak" and "1 group royals" started to enter the lexicon, we might see a shift.

Agreed, wholeheartedly. I spent about two days while apped to TR sitting on Trak's spawn before my desire to raid Kunark again was overcome by my desire to not do stupid shit with my time.

1 group Royals is already rolling, though - we just don't come and crow about it in RnF.

[Hurley]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"1 group royals"

We do this all the time

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and I apparently played on completely different live servers. The crowd I hung with that raided endgame consisted of many players that had upwards of six fully-geared level 60 accounts by Velious launch. Most people kept it to two or three - I only had two computers during Kunark/Velious, but I sure as shit powered a monk to 52 in less than 3 /played days (and picked up the RotWF in the same timeframe) when the old-world dragon restrictions landed - and this was with my shaman only.

Offhand, I can name a few people who would level a character to 60 in a matter of days with their clr/enc/mnk box squad simply to pass that character onto a guildmate, who would then gladly pay the monthly subscription just to have a fully-leveled rez or clarity bot parked in a raid zone.

Policy? Not the word I'd choose. Strategy, more like. P99's rules against multiboxing simply changed the strategy to selling raid drops for plat to purchase abandoned accounts.

This character parking idea isn't new, and those thinking they're onto something original here are coming off as pretty goddamn arrogant to someone who's seen this shit cycle through for the last decade.

Well I don't remember guilds camping two separate, non-main, raid sized forces at VS and Trakanon during live (and the shenanigans you see going on now, either the GMs were better deterrents on live or guilds didn't have enough camped out alts to screw with every Trak/VS engage). I also don't remember many people leveling up three or more characters to 60 for the sake of camping mobs/passing time. If that's classic then whatever, the ease of buying and selling accounts still gives the dominant guild on this server a huge advantage. If they are alts on the same account that's fine but the way they have inflated their roster isn't classic, and clearly the resources they have by way of alts on separate accounts is larger than it would have been on live. It's much easier to farm a week of dragons and buy the 60s for sale on this server than it would be to PL the same number of characters to 60 on live.

[feanan]

Wipe it clean!

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Rubin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I don't remember guilds camping two separate, non-main, raid sized forces at VS and Trakanon during live (and the shenanigans you see going on now, either the GMs were better deterrents on live or guilds didn't have enough camped out alts to screw with every Trak/VS engage). I also don't remember many people leveling up three or more characters to 60 for the sake of camping mobs/passing time. If that's classic then whatever, the ease of buying and selling accounts still gives the dominant guild on this server a huge advantage. If they are alts on the same account that's fine but the way they have inflated their roster isn't classic, and clearly the resources they have by way of alts on separate accounts is larger than it would have been on live. It's much easier to farm a week of dragons and buy the 60s for sale on this server than it would be to PL the same number of characters to 60 on live.

We also didn't have 18 months of Kunark on live. If Velious was out nobody will bother poopsocking VS/Trak because the gear would be inferior and everyone that has a lvl 60 would be too busy farming gems to do the gear quest and farming ToV. If we get 18 months of ToV we will see the same thing again but this time it would be poopsocking AoW and Vulak. Variance on AoW/Vulak anyone?

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wipe it clean!

why, so that you can see history repeat itself?